Wtf is wrong with my GN250?

[bosslady]

Apart from the fact it's a gn250? It's fucking me right off because I know something is just not right but I can't think what it is.

Almost every time I start my gn it has trouble starting and the exhaust sounds like a cat trying to cough up a fur ball. This happens on sunny days (such as today) cold days, choke in or out, doesn't matter. Occasionally in the past, since I got it, it has had problems but not almost literally EVERY time even if I've just ridden it and it should be warm.

I always warm up my bike before I ride it if it's the first ride of the day and this has never happened before but I turn it on and after 30 seconds it stalls, turn on again, same thing. It did it twice in the weekend and once today. I think the idle speed is meant to be 1200 or 1300 but I have to have it at 1500 or slightly higher cause it will stall.

And sometimes when I am sitting at the lights, it just stalls, I would normally be in 1st and have to pull the clutch in ALL the way (which is another thing that doesn't seem right imo). When riding, stopping, starting, going, anything! the bike just seems like it's sick! Thoughts?

[Smifffy]

First thought is that it's most likely the nut behind the handlebars.

Seems like you first mentioned stalling after you got your WoF?

Most likely things will be air,fuel,spark.

Check/clean/replace air filter & spark plug. Dirty/contaminated/old fuel? Getting plenty o spark?

:(

[Drew]

Could be many many things.

Filter and plug, clean the carb.

It's a GN, there really isn't anything else non terminal that can go wrong with it.

Ride it down to Taupo, and give Katman a blowie to sort it out.:baby::cool:

[T.W.R]

exhaust valve clearances are too tight :msn-wink:

[bosslady]

First thought is that it's most likely the nut behind the handlebars.

Seems like you first mentioned stalling after you got your WoF?

Most likely things will be air,fuel,spark.

Check/clean/replace air filter & spark plug. Dirty/contaminated/old fuel? Getting plenty o spark?

:(
No, not related to the WOF :) It's got a brand spanking new and oiled air filter so shouldn't be that (which I thought it was) I cleaned the fuel strainer maybe a month ago but maybe I could try that again. I'll look up spark plug in the manual. I think it's got plenty of spark? should I check the battery?

[unstuck]

Tune up time.:yes:

[Drew]

No, not related to the WOF :) It's got a brand spanking new and oiled air filter so shouldn't be that (which I thought it was) I cleaned the fuel strainer maybe a month ago but maybe I could try that again. I'll look up spark plug in the manual. I think it's got plenty of spark? should I check the battery?

If it doesn't konk out on the motorway, I would bet it isn't starving for fuel at idle.

That valve clearance idea would present as you describe, but would be worse or better when cold. Not consistent.

[Drew]

Tune up time.:yes:Yip, tune it up with a DRZ400 motor.

[Madness]

Definitely the rear brake. Adjust it up a little to remove the free-play.

You're welcome :niceone:

[bosslady]

Could be many many things.

Filter and plug, clean the carb.

It's a GN, there really isn't anything else non terminal that can go wrong with it.

Ride it down to Taupo, and give Katman a blowie to sort it out.:baby::cool:
I don't think his wife would approve somehow. Which plug are you talking about? carb hmm.. *gets out the manual*

exhaust valve clearances are too tight :msn-wink:it says you need a tappet adjust driver? don't have one and I don't think we have the right thickness gauge for what it says in the manual.

[Jantar]

My first thought was low compression. This could be caused by valve clearances too tight, leaking head gasket, stuck rings, worn rings, worn cyclinder, etc.

I would check the valve clearances first. If they are OK then carry out a cold compression test. Then squirt a touch of oild down the plug hole and carry out the compression test once again. If there is a difference then the trouble is likely to be rings.

[bosslady]

If it doesn't konk out on the motorway, I would bet it isn't starving for fuel at idle.

That valve clearance idea would present as you describe, but would be worse or better when cold. Not consistent.
That would make sense re not starving for fuel. She's fine when she's going just not when I slow down. Fuck.

[Drew]

I don't think his wife would approve somehow. Which plug are you talking about? carb hmm.. *gets out the manual*
it says you need a tappet adjust driver? don't have one and I don't think we have the right thickness gauge for what it says in the manual.Feeler gauges are good like that. You add two together to get the spot on thickness.

The tappet driver is replaced by a very small spanner, or cresent.

Spark plug by the way.

[unstuck]

Yip, tune it up with a DRZ400 motor.

Now that would be the shizzle, had another play on one in the forest. I do like em.:devil2:

[bosslady]

My first thought was low compression. This could be caused by valve clearances too tight, leaking head gasket, stuck rings, worn rings, worn cyclinder, etc.

I would check the valve clearances first. If they are OK then carry out a cold compression test. Then squirt a touch of oild down the plug hole and carry out the compression test once again. If there is a difference then the trouble is likely to be rings.
Sounds like I need to take it to a proper bike mechanic cause my flatty sure as hell ain't gonna help me with this one esp if we don't have whatever the fuck a tappet adjust driver is or the right gauge.

[Drew]

Sounds like I need to take it to a proper bike mechanic cause my flatty sure as hell ain't gonna help me with this one esp if we don't have whatever the fuck a tappet adjust driver is or the right gauge.

If he has a set of feeler geuges, and doesn't know how to 'make' the right size, you don't want him working on the inside of your motor anyway.

[bosslady]

Feeler gauges are good like that. You add two together to get the spot on thickness.

The tappet driver is replaced by a very small spanner, or cresent.

Spark plug by the way.
Flatty says he's got the right gauges so all good. Will tell him that we don't need a tappet driver, that's good. I think I'll wait to check plug and valve clearance tomorrow, flatties dirtbike is in pieces everywhere and I need his assistance but he's busy putting said bike back together..

[bosslady]

If he has a set of feeler geuges, and doesn't know how to 'make' the right size, you don't want him working on the inside of your motor anyway.
I think he said he might not have ones small enough. But he does, so no matter.

[Maha]

It was kinda suggested before, sell both your bikes and get one that will give you the best of both worlds...like → http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-614299261.htm
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[fridayflash]

It was kinda suggested before, sell both your bikes and get one that will give you the best of both worlds...like → http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-614299261.htm
Or → http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-607975092.htm


agree maha, but either of those would want a 21" up front for offroad and both might be a bit leggy and heavy for the lass
...this one would be good, and a bloody good price too

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-582192894.htm

[Drew]

agree maha, but either of those would want a 21" up front for offroad and both might be a bit leggy and heavy for the lass
...this one would be good, and a bloody good price too

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-582192894.htmYou're both wrong.

I nearly bought one of these a couple years ago.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-589052962.htm

[bosslady]

lol thanks but I can't afford a new bike for awhile

[fridayflash]

true...but TALL for a lady new to offroading maybe?
rosie rides one, but not sure if she has it lowered in any way
im not sure about them myself..would prefer a wr250f
dont know if they still come roadie-able tho

[Drew]

true...but TALL for a lady new to offroading maybe?
rosie rides one, but not sure if she has it lowered in any way
im not sure about them myself..would prefer a wr250f
dont know if they still come roadie-able thoThe F isn't available in road trim. The R motor is more akin to one slug of an R1, than the WR it turns out.

So you can thrash the living shit out of it on the road and not worry about fucking it.

If you want a proper endurance bike on the road, the KTM is impossible to go past.

[Drew]

lol thanks but I can't afford a new bike for awhileThis isn't about you anymore sorry. We've moved on to discussing what ya should ride, not fixing what ya do ride.

[bosslady]

This isn't about you anymore sorry. We've moved on to discussing what ya should ride, not fixing what ya do ride.
oops sorry carry on then

[fridayflash]

yeah, gotta be good not having to count engine life on a sundial
gotta agree with you there..wade has a legal 530 exc and its a fucken weapon!
my xr650r was fun on highway wearing knobblies but still too fat offroad :mellow:

[T.W.R]

it says you need a tappet adjust driver? don't have one and I don't think we have the right thickness gauge for what it says in the manual.

factory manual will say that just to scare you off :shifty: or hit the owner with disposable cash to go running to the dealership to spend stupid coin on a tool with a gold core :msn-wink:

clearance should be roughly 0.08 - 0.13mm thats about the thickness of a paper envelope edge but as long as you can physically feel the tappet moving it'll be better than no clearance at all; old rule of thumb a rattley tappet is a happy tappet :laugh:

It's valve recession

[Smifffy]

Maybe there's still some sand in the box?

[Grashopper]

What is wrong with you people. She says something is wrong with her GN and you'all tell her to swap her bikes for a new bike :oi-grr:




....and no one here mentions this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-579201736.htm :p

[Drew]

What is wrong with you people. She says something is wrong with her GN and you'all tell her to swap her bikes for a new bike :oi-grr:We offered some random advice first fuck ya.





....and no one here mentions this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-579201736.htm :pGood thinking that man!

[Mom]

Sounds like I need to take it to a proper bike mechanic cause my flatty sure as hell ain't gonna help me with this one esp if we don't have whatever the fuck a tappet adjust driver is or the right gauge.

Check that air filter is installed properly. Then check your choke is operating properly, ie, not stuck on.

[T.W.R]

What is wrong with you people. She says something is wrong with her GN and you'all tell her to swap her bikes for a new bike :oi-grr:




....and no one here mentions this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-579201736.htm :p

They're good like that around here :2thumbsup

[bosslady]

Check that air filter is installed properly. Then check your choke is operating properly, ie, not stuck on.
Both are fine :)

[Mom]

Both are fine :)

Take it out and thrash the bejeejus out of it :yes:

[bosslady]

Take it out and thrash the bejeejus out of it :yes:
it's actually been awhile since she's had a nice long trip. As for choke, can u define stuck on?

[Smifffy]

it's actually been awhile since she's had a nice long trip. As for choke, can u define stuck on?

Thought you said it was fine? Seemed fairly certain..


Both are fine.

[Mom]

it's actually been awhile since she's had a nice long trip. As for choke, can u define stuck on?

There will be a mechanism on the carb that moves when you pull your choke out and push it in. Stand on the choke side of the bike and look at the carb. Pull the choke out, push it in. Make sure you see the mechanism on the carb moving as you do. I could show you it, but you will see it moving if it is.

[nzspokes]

If the tappet tool you need is the one that goes on the top of the square part of the tappet I has one you can borrow. I also has feelers.

You can borrow but if you stuffem you own em. Mind you it would take an epic muppet to do that.

[bosslady]

If the tappet tool you need is the one that goes on the top of the square part of the tappet I has one you can borrow. I also has feelers.

You can borrow but if you stuffem you own em. Mind you it would take an epic muppet to do that.
all sorted for tools I think thank you :)

[bosslady]

There will be a mechanism on the carb that moves when you pull your choke out and push it in. Stand on the choke side of the bike and look at the carb. Pull the choke out, push it in. Make sure you see the mechanism on the carb moving as you do. I could show you it, but you will see it moving if it is.
seems to be ok I think

[Drew]

Mind you it would take an epic muppet to do that.Welcome to KB. Please don't feed the trolls.

Drew.

[jellywrestler]

it says you need a tappet adjust driver? don't have one and I don't think we have the right thickness gauge for what it says in the manual. grow ya pinky finger nail for four to five weeks on a low carb diet with no red wine and that should be the correct clearance for the inlet, index finger same time diet for the exhaust, you've got, or should have, two hands use one set of nails now and clip the other set off and keep it with your toolkit, make sure you label which one is which

[fridayflash]

...and a ciggy paper folded twice is correct points clearance ;)

[jellywrestler]

...and a ciggy paper folded twice is correct points clearance ;)

I think she's from the north shore, they only smoke cigars up there...

[ducatilover]

Setting the clearances is piss easy, less than 30 min if you're used to it. Ze manual explains it very straight forward too

For a decent tappet adjuster, just get a cork from a wine bottle and a square drive screw (number 2 size) and you have a nicer tool than the shitty ones you buy

If you haven't got the 22mm socket to turn the crank from the LHS cover (under the big flat blade screw/plug thingymajig) just put it in 2nd and rock the wheel while looking for the TDC mark on the flywheel through the sight hole on the LHS cover (up the top of the cover, slightly to the front, 16 or 17mm)

[blackdog]

It was that fucking WOF guy again, I swear it. He's fiddled with everything, and it will never be the same again. Mwahaha.

[Erelyes]

Tune up time.:yes:


Take it out and thrash the bejeejus out of it :yes:

I was going to say, if it needs any tune up it's an Italian one.

[fridayflash]

It was that fucking WOF guy again, I swear it. He's fiddled with everything, and it will never be the same again. Mwahaha.

yess, cucking funt that he is!

[carburator]

drag it out to leathal's for a mercy killing..

[bosslady]

would it be a waste of money to just get a new spark plug?

I haven't been able to take the bike apart quite yet

[ducatilover]

Plug is cheap enough, and it never hurts to get one up it.

You don't have to take much apart for clearances, just the two rocker covers (two 10mm head bolts each) and the sight plug I mentioned and the plug to get the 22mm socket in

[jellywrestler]

would it be a waste of money to just get a new spark plug?

I haven't been able to take the bike apart quite yet

No that's the first thing should do in this context, the spark plug is at the coal face getting all the chemical and residue from what goes on inside the guts of the bike, the rest are in their own little factory seals or at very least splashproof covers that don't get the front line treatment, like when you've had a real full on night, you always change your y fronts first cause you could another 500kms out of your trousers...

[sinfull]

I'm wif smiffy !

[Drew]

I'm wif smiffy !:crazy:I hope you two are happy together.

[TimeOut]

No, not related to the WOF :) It's got a brand spanking new and oiled air filter so shouldn't be that (which I thought it was) I cleaned the fuel strainer maybe a month ago but maybe I could try that again. I'll look up spark plug in the manual. I think it's got plenty of spark? should I check the battery?

You say oiled air filter, was enough oil squeezed out of it, if not the excess oil can restrict the air flow

[bosslady]

You say oiled air filter, was enough oil squeezed out of it, if not the excess oil can restrict the air flow
I'm quite confident that I squeezed as much as I could without wringing the filter. The bike was the same beforehand anyhoo.

Will try and get a new spark plug today.

[unstuck]

Plug will lose its sparking abilities quickly if you over use your choke at times, the less you can use your choke on those old beasties, the better.:niceone:

[bosslady]

Plug will lose its sparking abilities quickly if you over use your choke at times, the less you can use your choke on those old beasties, the better.:niceone:
You mean the less I pull OUT the choke to start the bike the better? I've never really had to do it ever I think.

So I got a new spark plug $8 later and before I put that in I took off the seat, tank, valve inspection cap and magneto cover but I didn't know wtf a timing inspection plug was, flatty figured it out. Flatty adjusted valve clearance for me while I watched. Put new plug in and put everything back on/together. Went to go start bike and was like WTF hard as hell to start, bloody great. Then look down and see fuel line dangling around, ahhh... hook it up then she starts no problem but maybe idling a little oddly.. will have to go for a decent ride in the weekend. Anyway took her for a ride and felt good, didn't feel sick like it did before, but again will go for a ride in the weekend and see. Think I will have to have a look at the clutch cable adjustment in the weekend too, clutch etc feels funny maybe.

[unstuck]

What color was the spark plug you took out? You can tell a lot about the condition of your engine from the spark plug.

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[bosslady]

What color was the spark plug you took out? You can tell a lot about the condition of your engine from the spark plug.
Oops I forgot to post the picture here it is, will look at your picture now.

[bosslady]

This is a better picture.

[Ocean1]

This is a better picture.

Nope, we want to see the ceramic bit under the electrode.

Looks a little worn, maybe running a tad rich but not tragically so.

[bosslady]

Nope, we want to see the ceramic bit under the electrode.

Looks a little worn, maybe running a tad rich but not tragically so.
can you tell me what you mean? how do I remove an electrode? hmmmm?

[ducatilover]

:2thumbsup Much winning

[ducatilover]

Take a pic pointing more or less straight down at the sparky bit, or on a slight angle off from it

[leathel]

the plug looks like it sure has done some k's..... If you tried starting it a few times with the choke on the colour will be irrelevant as the choke will have darkened the plug ;)

It could do with the air mixture screw adjust and tweak the idle ..

[bosslady]

Take a pic pointing more or less straight down at the sparky bit, or on a slight angle off from it
I don't understand. It all just looks totally black.

[bosslady]

the plug looks like it sure has done some k's..... If you tried starting it a few times with the choke on the colour will be irrelevant as the choke will have darkened the plug ;)

It could do with the air mixture screw adjust and tweak the idle ..
what is on?

[leathel]

what is on?

Choked pulled out will run richer.... plug look blacker, should check the plug colour after a good run :)

[bosslady]

Choked pulled out will run richer.... plug look blacker, should check the plug colour after a good run :)
tbh I have never pulled out the choke to start it.

[Madness]

We need a wrist-slashing smiley.

[bosslady]

We need a wrist-slashing smiley.
you're weird

[leathel]

tbh I have never pulled out the clutch to start it.

Choke....the knob o the carb....not the clutch :P

[bosslady]

Choke....the knob o the carb....not the clutch :P
hahaha man, can you tell I'm tired? too many late nights. It's true though, even if I used the wrong word? hahaha

[leathel]

If you have never used the choke to start it it wont be running lean! Might be a tad rich but just ride it in the weekend and see how it goes :)

[sketch]

itl start and idle with no choke?.................. even when its cold?

[bosslady]

If you have never used the choke to start it it wont be running lean! Might be a tad rich but just ride it in the weekend and see how it goes :) hmm rich eh....


itl start and idle with no choke?.................. even when its cold?
correct, am sure it's colder where you are? it's always stored in the garage which is joined to the house and is carpeted so I'm sure it's not as cold as most garages.

[ducatilover]

Probably a bit rich. I wouldn't worry about it ;)

[bosslady]

Probably a bit rich. I wouldn't worry about it ;)
no idea what that means but if it's so rich maybe it'd like to share cause I'm sure as fuck not!

[T.W.R]

Almost every time I start my gn it has trouble starting and the exhaust sounds like a cat trying to cough up a fur ball. This happens on sunny days (such as today) cold days, choke in or out, doesn't matter. Occasionally in the past, since I got it, it has had problems but not almost literally EVERY time even if I've just ridden it and it should be warm.

I always warm up my bike before I ride it if it's the first ride of the day and this has never happened before but I turn it on and after 30 seconds it stalls, turn on again, same thing. It did it twice in the weekend and once today. I think the idle speed is meant to be 1200 or 1300 but I have to have it at 1500 or slightly higher cause it will stall.




tbh I have never pulled out the choke to start it.

You've got to get your story straight ;)




Oops I forgot to post the picture here it is, will look at your picture now.

For a low compression motor that plug colour isn't bad apart from a huge gap and :pinch: that's a shit load of rust on the outer.....been playing submarines with the bike ?? :facepalm:

[bosslady]

You've got to get your story straight ;)





For a low compression motor that plug colour isn't bad apart from a huge gap and :pinch: that's a shit load of rust on the outer.....been playing submarines with the bike ?? :facepalm:
whAt I meant was that I have never NEEDED to use the choke to start it but thinking it might help with my problem I may have fiddled with it all of once ever. No idea what 2 (??) previous owners got up to with it of course but almost guaranteed they'd done little or no maintenance on it, but then I got it at 7k and it's now about 20 I think.

[Grashopper]

itl start and idle with no choke?.................. even when its cold?

I know... Isn't it amazing? :eek5:
Currently I always have to use the choke. In the morning before I go to work and in the evening when I leave work. Lol, my garage is also attached to the house, but that doesn't help if the house is cold itself...:cold:

[T.W.R]

whAt I meant was that I have never NEEDED to use the choke to start it but thinking it might help with my problem I may have fiddled with it all of once ever. No idea what 2 (??) previous owners got up to with it of course but almost guaranteed they'd done little or no maintenance on it, but then I got it at 7k and it's now about 20 I think.


:facepalm: well for starters the colour of the plug shows it isn't a choke problem & you're in aucks so a GN shouldn't need a choke, it's decidedly tropical climate~wise compared to some places and a GN 250 engine is as simple as they come it's the old packhorse... meant to be simple & easy to live with; it's a 30+ yr old design designed for hassle free living for learners & basic city commuting. 20k is absolute sweet F/A.
The plug itself going by the condition is the original but the gap looks about 35+ thou :facepalm: should be 25 thou and @ 20k a new one wouldn't be a stupid thing to do, probably the last time it was out of the bike would have been it's last shop service when new. And using that as a guide to the rest of what should have been serviced, adjusted, & checked do yourself a favour and get the valve clearances checked.

[Drew]

What color was the spark plug you took out? You can tell a lot about the condition of your engine from the spark plug.

285101With unleaded fuel, that old chart is no longer relevant I learned recently. The colouring on the plug that is important, presents as a tiny little ring at the very base of the electrode. Like, magnifying glass small.


no idea what that means but if it's so rich maybe it'd like to share cause I'm sure as fuck not!Running rich, means the fuel/air mixture is not correct. Rich = too much gas. Lean = not enough gas.

Both can cause issue in the extreems, but on a GN, near enough is good enough.

[bosslady]

:facepalm: well for starters the colour of the plug shows it isn't a choke problem & you're in aucks so a GN shouldn't need a choke, it's decidedly tropical climate~wise compared to some places and a GN 250 engine is as simple as they come it's the old packhorse... meant to be simple & easy to live with; it's a 30+ yr old design designed for hassle free living for learners & basic city commuting. 20k is absolute sweet F/A.
The plug itself going by the condition is the original but the gap looks about 35+ thou :facepalm: should be 25 thou and @ 20k a new one wouldn't be a stupid thing to do, probably the last time it was out of the bike would have been it's last shop service when new. And using that as a guide to the rest of what should have been serviced, adjusted, & checked do yourself a favour and get the valve clearances checked.

Valve clearance already checked. I think most else in the bike should be fine, front and rear sprockets, chain and tyres all replaced within the past 5 or so months? Oil and filter I change about every 4k, new air filter, but I definitely need to check clutch cable adjustment this weekend.

[unstuck]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: This is the thread that just keeps on giving.:laugh::laugh:

Not as relevent is how I would of said it Drew, but I know your hearts in the right place.:bleh: You can still tell a lot from a spark plug, if you know what you are looking for. As we have said before, TUNE UP TIME. No biggy, couple of tweaks she will be all good again. If the plug was all oily though, or the plug had started to melt, the outcome may not of been so pleasant for the old girl. :niceone:

[Maha]

I know... Isn't it amazing? :eek5:
Currently I always have to use the choke. In the morning before I go to work and in the evening when I leave work. Lol, my garage is also attached to the house, but that doesn't help if the house is cold itself...:cold:

If it has a choke, always start it with that choke. Even when I bought my CB1300 brand new, I was told to always start it with the choke, which I did every time, and let run on choke for 45-60 seconds.
Older bikes? no exception. Anne's Bandit is always started on choke.

[nzspokes]

If it has a choke, always start it with that choke. Even when I bought my CB1300 brand new, I was told to always start it with the choke, which I did every time, and let run on choke for 45-60 seconds.
Older bikes? no exception. Anne's Bandit is always started on choke.

My Hornet has a choke. I never use it.

[bosslady]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: This is the thread that just keeps on giving.:laugh::laugh:

Not as relevent is how I would of said it Drew, but I know your hearts in the right place.:bleh: You can still tell a lot from a spark plug, if you know what you are looking for. As we have said before, TUNE UP TIME. No biggy, couple of tweaks she will be all good again. If the plug was all oily though, or the plug had started to melt, the outcome may not of been so pleasant for the old girl. :niceone:
Define "tune up" as in, what would you do if tuning up the bike?

[unstuck]

Well it sounds like you are halfway there with the valve clearences and sparkplug, and your air filter sounds ok from what you have posted. So all that is really left is the fuel and idle mixture settings. Unless you know what you are doing, I would suggest leaving this to someone who has some experience with it. Small turns on the mixture screw can seriously affect the running of your motor, so if you do attempt it yourself, just small turns at a time. Never screw the mixture screw all the way in real hard, as it will bend the screw tip or put a groove in it.

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The one in the pic is not for your bike but you can get an idea of how fragile the tip of a mixture screw is. To check that it is in good condition, carefully screw it all the way in until it lightly seats and count how many turns it takes to seat , this is critical, because you want it the same when putting it back. If you have a manual, then it will give you the initial setting EG: 2 turns out? Then remove it and inspect the tip for any damage, even a small groove in the tip will effect the way the motor idles. If it is damaged, get a new one.:niceone:

[unstuck]

You may want to have a read of this thread too.......http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/122137-Rough-running-GN250-when-cold

Post#8 has a pic of the mixture screw location and initial setting.

[buggerit]

reading your first post you said the be bike sounded like a cat trying to cough up a furball, was wondering if your little darlings have put
something down your exhaust or if your baffles have collapsed

[Maha]

My Hornet has a choke. I never use it.

...or you can stand there and hold the throttle at 2000rpm till it can idle on it's own.

[T.W.R]

Valve clearance already checked. I think most else in the bike should be fine, front and rear sprockets, chain and tyres all replaced within the past 5 or so months? Oil and filter I change about every 4k, new air filter, but I definitely need to check clutch cable adjustment this weekend.

:lol: all you've done is rattle off consumable items :wacko: not service or maintenance items :killingme and TBH shame on any of your fellow Dorkland KBers who you've probably mixed with & spent time with not fronting up and helping.
So if the valve clearances were checked what were they ??

And running slightly rich as the plug shows isn't going to cause the problems you described in the 1st post :nono:

Starting to think your avatar's character name is appropriate :oi-grr:

[bosslady]

Well it sounds like you are halfway there with the valve clearences and sparkplug, and your air filter sounds ok from what you have posted. So all that is really left is the fuel and idle mixture settings. Unless you know what you are doing, I would suggest leaving this to someone who has some experience with it. Small turns on the mixture screw can seriously affect the running of your motor, so if you do attempt it yourself, just small turns at a time. Never screw the mixture screw all the way in real hard, as it will bend the screw tip or put a groove in it.

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The one in the pic is not for your bike but you can get an idea of how fragile the tip of a mixture screw is. To check that it is in good condition, carefully screw it all the way in until it lightly seats and count how many turns it takes to seat , this is critical, because you want it the same when putting it back. If you have a manual, then it will give you the initial setting EG: 2 turns out? Then remove it and inspect the tip for any damage, even a small groove in the tip will effect the way the motor idles. If it is damaged, get a new one.:niceone:

I will try and look into this in the weekend. I wonder how much a new mixture screw is? I have to have this bike probably until I get my full which is about 17 or so months away (!!!!) so I need to look after it and I don't mind replacing relatively inexpensive little bits here and there. I wouldn't want to be touching this so I might ask my flatmate if he can help me which he really hates doing. I also think I might try and get a new fuel line cause it's looking a bit stretched since I keep removing it (had to do it a few times when I got the tank painted).


You may want to have a read of this thread too.......http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/122137-Rough-running-GN250-when-cold

Post#8 has a pic of the mixture screw location and initial setting. Thanks, will take a look in the weekend probably.


reading your first post you said the be bike sounded like a cat trying to cough up a furball, was wondering if your little darlings have put
something down your exhaust or if your baffles have collapsed I don't think so? The sound didn't come back last night when I took it for a quick ride around the block, gosh knows what it is but you know how there is usually some kind of plate on the back of the exhaust? It came off a very long time ago but it was a piece that is riveted (right word?) on so it's not like I can go get a new one and screw it in? Don't know what a baffle is.. but I am very baffled if that helps :lol:


:lol: all you've done is rattle off consumable items :wacko: not service or maintenance items :killingme and TBH shame on any of your fellow Dorkland KBers who you've probably mixed with & spent time with not fronting up and helping.
So if the valve clearances were checked what were they ??

And running slightly rich as the plug shows isn't going to cause the problems you described in the 1st post :nono:

Starting to think your avatar's character name is appropriate :oi-grr: They are maintenance items and things that if old/worn/loose/whatever can effect the performance of the bike (but likely not at all related to my current predicament). I'm just saying that I'm trying to take care of it and do check these things and that they are OK. I don't know what the valve clearances were because at first my flatmate didn't realise two thickness gauges were stuck together :facepalm: so we adjusted it then realised that the gauges were stuck together so adjusted it back to the right thickness. I would have liked to have known what it was originally too, oh well.

[bosslady]

Question, especially because I am a bit confused now that I have another (dirt) bike. When I am on my dirt bike, because you ride the clutch (right phrase?) a lot, keep me two fingies on it etc, I don't have to pull it all the way in (because anyway if I did I'd crush my pinky and whatever the other finger next to it is called). But my GN, different story, I could never use two fingers, I have to use all four because the other two fingers would get crushed. This doesn't seem right, surely I shouldn't have to hold it ALLLLL the way in to change up/down or whatever the fuck I'm trying to say, not very good with the right terminology sorry so I hope this makes sense? Surely this must be something to do with the clutch cable adjustment or maybe even my clutch lever? I'm pretty sure it's been bent in even more then the one in this link, for example http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/brakes/auction-616718966.htm would that make a difference do you think? Maybe it was bent more for someone with short fingers?

[unstuck]

New mixture screw will be bugger all. You only need to replace if damaged though, may just need bit of a turn in or out.:yes:

[unstuck]

Get one of these from a bike shop, usually under $20. Cable lubrication device, you put the nozzle from a can of crc in the little hole and it squirts it down between the cable and sheath and makes it nice and slippery.:blip:

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[haydes55]

Start with lubing the cable (do the throttle cable while you're at it. I used to take the entire cable out, hang it off a clothes line with a peg and use a cable luber and soak it in crc then silicon until it starts dripping out of the bottom (hold a rag around the top so the crc/silicon can't run down the outside of the cable so you know when it's gone through the entire cable). Make sure the cable moves smoothly in and out. Check for any signs of the cable being bent at any angle that isn't a gentle curve. And the outter shell (whatever it's called) hasn't got any breaks in it or stretch marks.

If you can adjust the cable from the motor end of the cable. Make adjustments there first. Fine tune the free play at the clutch lever.

If you want it to fully engage the clutch without having to pull the lever fully in, the clutch will be harder to pull in and have a shorter working margin so would be easier to stall. Ideally on a road bike it should be fully engaged with not much room left til the level hits the bars. Everyone prefers there clutch different though. But make sure you have at least 1 or 2mm of play in the lever or you could have clutch slip and cook some clutch plates. Or on a gn250, warm up some clutch plates lol

[bosslady]

Thanks for the advice guys, will see how I get on this weekend.

[nzspokes]

...or you can stand there and hold the throttle at 2000rpm till it can idle on it's own.

Hit the starter. No throttle. It goes and idles fine.

Injection is nice.

[unstuck]

Hit the starter. No throttle. It goes and idles fine.

Injection is nice.

Injection......Ahhh......Thats cheating.:lol::lol:

[carburator]

Hit the starter. No throttle. It goes and idles fine.

Injection is nice.

injection is nice, blown is better... mind you on a hilborn system
there is no part throttle...

[superjackal]

No, not related to the WOF :) It's got a brand spanking new and oiled air filter so shouldn't be that (which I thought it was) I cleaned the fuel strainer maybe a month ago but maybe I could try that again. I'll look up spark plug in the manual. I think it's got plenty of spark? should I check the battery?

Have it serviced regularly or they go bad quick. They'll keep running almost no matter what.... but like yours is now.

[T.W.R]

They are maintenance items and things that if old/worn/loose/whatever can effect the performance of the bike (but likely not at all related to my current predicament). I'm just saying that I'm trying to take care of it and do check these things and that they are OK.

:nono: NOT
maintenance items, they are consumable items (designed to wear-out) that need to be checked & maintained regularly....weekly preferably :niceone:

[T.W.R]

I don't think so? The sound didn't come back last night when I took it for a quick ride around the block,



:lol: after doing the valve clearances huh :brick:

[bosslady]

:lol: after doing the valve clearances huh :brick:
What is your problem? You seem to think you are pretty smart? And I'm not debating that you're not, but if you're so smart maybe your time is better spent elsewhere and not around someone as seemingly stupid as you appear to think I am.

[T.W.R]

What is your problem? You seem to think you are pretty smart? And I'm not debating that you're not, but if you're so smart maybe your time is better spent elsewhere and not around someone as seemingly stupid as you appear to think I am.

touchy touchy :clap: only taken 6 pages of crap when you were told on the 1st page :rolleyes:
Smart enough to have been in paid employment with two different dealerships working on bikes & 35yrs of riding the damn things lets me see through the glitz & glam of 5min heros with the latest & greatest bling that blinds newbs.
No one said you were stupid or implied as such..... but when someone says something simple take a second & listen and think instead of waiting for ones that look cool behind the keyboard to baffle you with theories.
To many around here love stroking their own egos and feed on getting their asses kissed by their shallow followers :mad:

[bosslady]

touchy touchy :clap: only taken 6 pages of crap when you were told on the 1st page :rolleyes:
Smart enough to have been in paid employment with two different dealerships working on bikes & 35yrs of riding the damn things lets me see through the glitz & glam of 5min heros with the latest & greatest bling that blinds newbs.
No one said you were stupid or implied as such..... but when someone says something simple take a second & listen and think instead of waiting for ones that look cool behind the keyboard to baffle you with theories.
To many around here love stroking their own egos and feed on getting their asses kissed by their shallow followers :mad:
6 pages? Quite a few posts have little to nothing to do with the thread. Anyway, who cares how many pages a thread is? Not I. Again, I never said you weren't smart but do you feel better now, telling us how super awesome you are? I don't care who you are it's your patronising attitude I don't care much for. I'm also not sure who you're implying is cool, this is an internet forum, not high school, there's no such thing. I listened to what everyone had to say, I might miss a few things here or there and I might not acknowledge everyone's post but I'm doing my best here so if you're feeling frustrated, please, put the keyboard down and have a beersie brah.

[Mom]

... put the keyboard down and have a beersie brah.

What a great idea, I only popped on to have quick looksee, which I have done now.

I wont have a beersie, but will have a wine or threesie instead.

Happy Friday B!

Hope that bike of yours is all good. Bring her up here and I will have a thrash on her if she is still playing up.

Maybe my tiny bit of experience will help pin down what is happening.

[bosslady]

What a great idea, I only popped on to have quick looksee, which I have done now.

I wont have a beersie, but will have a wine or threesie instead.

Happy Friday B!

Hope that bike of yours is all good. Bring her up here and I will have a thrash on her if she is still playing up.

Maybe my tiny bit of experience will help pin down what is happening.
Thanks Mommy, I've already started on the wine myself. TGIF fo sho! Dirt biking tomorrow, looking forward to it. Might take her for a good ride on Sunday, maybe to waLKworth if you're about? although dirt biking might be on the cards on Sunday too..

[bosslady]

Hey T.W.R thanks for the red rep. Next time you want to call me a dumbass cause I didn't bow down and agree with you, how about you say it in a thread where people can see? Chur.

[bosslady]

Hey T.W.R thanks for the red rep. Next time you want to call me a dumbass cause I didn't bow down and agree with you, how about you say it in a thread where people can see? Chur.
Same goes for blackfag calling me a whiney bitch. I know you are you said you are but what am I?

[T.W.R]

Hey T.W.R thanks for the red rep. Next time you want to call me a dumbass cause I didn't bow down and agree with you, how about you say it in a thread where people can see? Chur.

:baby: why don't you cut & paste exactly what the red rep said instead of trying to make yourself feel good huh?

saying "as expected a dumbass response" isn't calling you a dumbass :oi-grr: just calling you out on a childish retort trying to ruffle my feathers :killingme

I sense so much tension :girlfight: time for new batteries in your best friend huh :motu:

[blackdog]

Same goes for blackfag calling me a whiney bitch. I know you are you said you are but what am I?

I stand by my comment.

The emotional scars from being beaten and bullied as a child are obviously still very raw for you.

Fucking act like an adult, and you might even get treated like one in return.

Your 'look at me' and 'I'm so superior' attitude will only continue to attract the derision that you, at this stage so thoroughly warrant.

[bosslady]

Blah blah i get upset by strange women on the internet blah, also i like penis


Really TWR? me too! A/S/L? I also like penis very much so. Are you a top or bottom? Wanna hook up? Flick me a PM
boom chicka wah wah

[blackdog]

Proves my point doesn't it?

Don't burn too many bridges here, one day you might just need one of us out there on the road, in a situation beyond your control.

I mean I'll still stop for you now, but it'll be to laugh my arse off before carrying on.

[bosslady]

Proves my point doesn't it?

Don't burn too many bridges here, one day you might just need one of us out there on the road, in a situation beyond your control.

I mean I'll still stop for you now, but It'll be to laugh my arse off before carrying on.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U6vLAa-kylM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DU6vLAa-kylM

[haydes55]

Proves my point doesn't it?

Don't burn too many bridges here, one day you might just need one of us out there on the road, in a situation beyond your control.

I mean I'll still stop for you now, but it'll be to laugh my arse off before carrying on.

Even if quasievil was on the side of the road and I could help I would.

Yea some people will always disagree with others and some people will think of others as dicks etc. But the biggest dick move would be leaving someone stranded when you could help.

[T.W.R]

Proves my point doesn't it?

Don't burn too many bridges here, one day you might just need one of us out there on the road, in a situation beyond your control.

I mean I'll still stop for you now, but it'll be to laugh my arse off before carrying on.

An attitude like hers and she'll be a statistic before too long :weird:

[blackdog]

Even if quasievil was on the side of the road and I could help I would.

Yea some people will always disagree with others and some people will think of others as dicks etc. But the biggest dick move would be leaving someone stranded when you could help.

True.

Once I get home, I'll call her a waaambulance.

[Smifffy]

True.

Once I get home, I'll call her a waaambulance.

The least you could do is stop and adjust her brake. Maybe fiddle with the choke a bit. Then you'll probably get blamed for wearing out the front sprocket. :girlfight::girlfight:

[bosslady]

An attitude like hers and she'll be a statistic before too long :weird:
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Yes my attitude towards learning to maintain my own bike, learning road craft (even so far as to have spent hundreds of dollars on lessons) , surrounding myself with level headed good sort bikers and having very much a conservative riding style is going to make me a statistic :rolleyes: stop being a bully, I don't have to agree with you, grow up, I don't even have to be nice to you and shock horror, it's not going make me a statistic just because I don't agree with someone.

[bosslady]

The least you could do is stop and adjust her brake. Maybe fiddle with the choke a bit. Then you'll probably get blamed for wearing out the front sprocket. :girlfight::girlfight:
Should be fine, sprockets are fairly new.

[bosslady]

Look we don't all have to hold hands and agree with each other but to red rep me, post in this thread, message me privately on here several times then track me down on Gaybook where you pretty much repeat the same crap you've already said is pretty obsessive and freaking weird. Some of you need to get a life, seriously. Suggest that if a bloke named Iain tries to add you to Freakbook, BLOCK/IGNORE. Lay off the turps and find another hobby that doesn't involve harassing young women on the internet. Not cool.

[Madness]

Look we don't all have to hold hands and agree with each other but to red rep me, post in this thread, message me privately on here several times then track me down on Gaybook where you pretty much repeat the same crap you've already said is pretty obsessive and freaking weird. Some of you need to get a life, seriously. Suggest that if a bloke named Iain tries to add you to Freakbook, BLOCK/IGNORE. Lay off the turps and find another hobby that doesn't involve harassing young women on the internet. Not cool.

How do you define "young"?

[bosslady]

How do you define "young"?

Good question. I am young to some but old to many I am sure. Anyway sleep calls.

[blackdog]

Look we don't all have to hold hands and agree with each other but to red rep me, post in this thread, message me privately on here several times then track me down on Gaybook where you pretty much repeat the same crap you've already said is pretty obsessive and freaking weird. Some of you need to get a life, seriously. Suggest that if a bloke named Iain tries to add you to Freakbook, BLOCK/IGNORE. Lay off the turps and find another hobby that doesn't involve harassing young women on the internet. Not cool.

That would be me. Yawn.

I bumped into your facebook and thought I'd share some thoughts.

Your sense of self importance knows no bounds.

[ducatilover]

Nobody tracks me down on FB :weep:

[blackdog]

Nobody tracks me down on FB :weep:

If it makes you feel better Doug, judging by his photos you are by far the better looking man.

[nerrrd]

Nobody tracks me down on FB :weep:

Me neither...:laugh:. Anyhoo, can't we all just get along? All the lady wanted was help with her bike, :niceone: to those happy to provide it, :bleh: to the rest.

Lots of good stuff about valves and chokes and cables and maintaining consumables (or was that consuming maintainables??), top stuff for the "general maintenance" section I'd have thought.:weird:

Too easy to misinterpret the written word, probably how a few wars got started back in the day.

[blackdog]

Too easy to misinterpret the written word.

I'm happy to leave it at that.

[T.W.R]

Nobody tracks me down on FB :weep:

lol, wait till a demented ex creates two separate log-ins here to try and watch you :eek:

[SVboy]

Who knew a thread on gn250 maintainence could become compulsary reading! Well done team!

[nzspokes]

Anywhoo, now were past the stalkers.... Did a new plug help?

[bosslady]

Anywhoo, now were past the stalkers.... Did a new plug help?
I didn't get a chance to give her a good run today as I was on the dirt bike. Will do it tomorrow weather permitting!

[Maha]

I didn't get a chance to give her a good run today as I was on the dirt bike. Will do it tomorrow weather permitting!

Weather tomorrow is mint, we were going to shoot up to Paihia but, I have a caravan to sand, nearly done.

[bosslady]

Weather tomorrow is mint, we were going to shoot up to Paihia but, I have a caravan to sand, nearly done.
Glad to hear it! not sure wherein go, maybe maraeti? (spelling?)

[Maha]

Glad to hear it! not sure wherein go, maybe maraeti? (spelling?)

Ma'leftai (the next bay over) is great this time of year.

[nzspokes]

I didn't get a chance to give her a good run today as I was on the dirt bike. Will do it tomorrow weather permitting!

How did the trail riding go?

[bosslady]

How did the trail riding go?
err....see my dirt bike thread lol

[bosslady]

ok so I want to clean the carb this weekend but my manual doesn't say how and I can't remember what to do even though someone told me very quickly, does anyone have any links?

[nzspokes]

ok so I want to clean the carb this weekend but my manual doesn't say how and I can't remember what to do even though someone told me very quickly, does anyone have any links?

Undo the big bolt under the carb with the fuel tap off and drain all the petrol. Refit bolt and re-fit.

Thats a good starting point.

Then if you feel excited, turn off the petrol, undo the clamps that hold the carb at either end and twist the carb on its side. That way you will be able to undo the 4 screws that hold the float bowl on. (tip, if the little screws are to tight then try to tighten them before undoing. That will crack the screw to make it easier to undo. Make sure you have a screwdriver that fits the screw well). Clean all you can see. If you have a compressor at hand blow air through the jets(little brass things). Put back together.

At least I think thats what he said.

[Smifffy]

http://bit.ly/19o2U8j

First vid seems to start off ok.

[bosslady]

Undo the big bolt under the carb with the fuel tap off and drain all the petrol. Refit bolt and re-fit.

Thats a good starting point.

Then if you feel excited, turn off the petrol, undo the clamps that hold the carb at either end and twist the carb on its side. That way you will be able to undo the 4 screws that hold the float bowl on. (tip, if the little screws are to tight then try to tighten them before undoing. That will crack the screw to make it easier to undo. Make sure you have a screwdriver that fits the screw well). Clean all you can see. If you have a compressor at hand blow air through the jets(little brass things). Put back together.

At least I think thats what he said.
a hah! that sounds right! boy am I glad you understood/were paying attention!

[gwigs]

http://www.dansmc.com/mc_repaircourse.htm

Here,s a good link ,lots of good advice on maintenance and repair..

[bosslady]

hmmm well I'm some of the way there, it won't appear to let me twist it on account of the throttle cable though hrmmm

[unstuck]

hmmm well I'm some of the way there, it won't appear to let me twist it on account of the throttle cable though hrmmm

You will have to remove that, other wise you will damage something.:niceone:

[bosslady]

http://bit.ly/19o2U8j

First vid seems to start off ok.

a hah! that sounds right! boy am I glad you understood/were paying attention!
thanks for the links :)

[bosslady]

this is what was in the float bowl if it matters?

[unstuck]

Rusty fuel tank by the look of that, bit hard to see clearly though.

[blackdog]

The RNZAF just called. Due to a lack of aircraft carriers, they wondered if they could land their Orions on your forehead.

[bosslady]

It's black, slight smaller than a sand grain for example. Anyway I was like FUCK THIS BRO and just took the whole bloody thing off so I can brake my bike more eh. Might drain the tank tomorrow and put fresh fuel in it, thoughts?

[unstuck]

Probably a good idea to flush the whole lot out.:niceone:

[T.W.R]

this is what was in the float bowl if it matters?

thats a small bit of very fine sediment....not enough to cause any major issues.

this is what rust deposits that cause trouble look like

[bosslady]

thats a small bit of very fine sediment....not enough to cause any major issues.

this is what rust deposits that cause trouble look like
yuck! still trying to figure out what I'm doing..

[unstuck]

I would still flush it. the fuel filter has probably got that shit in it too if its in the carb.

[bosslady]

yea I will, should go to bed I think, I'm getting confused, lol. Finally found something in the manual bleating on about the float arm pin but I can't figure out what that is! well I think I know, just can't get it out.

[T.W.R]

yuck! still trying to figure out what I'm doing..

The sediment in your float bowl isn't anything out of the norm for a bike with a bit of age on it...you could just about guarantee any older carburetted bikes that have done some kms would have just as much if not more sediment collected in their float bowls :yes: that stuff is ultra fine and easily gets through filter elements over time.
Thats why the filter tower in the tank isn't ultra fine mesh it's just meant to stop stuff actually blocking the fuel line itself and inline filters are meant to be replaced every so often...because that fine sediment is being drawn through at pressure & even though it doesn't seem much the size of the sediment & the fineness of the filter element the sediment eventually tears small holes and leads to larger foreign objects getting into the carb and blocking jets & ports in the emulsion tube

[bosslady]

The sediment in your float bowl isn't anything out of the norm for a bike with a bit of age on it...you could just about guarantee any older carburetted bikes that have done some kms would have just as much if not more sediment collected in their float bowls :yes: that stuff is ultra fine and easily gets through filter elements over time.
Thats why the filter tower in the tank isn't ultra fine mesh it's just meant to stop stuff actually blocking the fuel line itself and inline filters are meant to be replaced every so often...because that fine sediment is being drawn through at pressure & even though it doesn't seem much the size of the sediment & the fineness of the filter element the sediment eventually tears small holes and leads to larger foreign objects getting into the carb and blocking jets & ports in the emulsion tube
so what would you advise I do now then? where is this inline filter you speak of?

[T.W.R]

so what would you advise I do now then? where is this inline filter you speak of?

depends if someone has put one in in the past? clear conical shaped plastic gizmo somewhere in the fuel line between the tap & the carb.
If there is one replace it, and seeing you've got the carb off the bike set/check the float height, check the float needle isn't worn (a wear line on the pin end), check the slide needle isn't worn/bent and the primary & main jets are clean.

[bosslady]

depends if someone has put one in in the past? clear conical shaped plastic gizmo somewhere in the fuel line between the tap & the carb.
If there is one replace it, and seeing you've got the carb off the bike set/check the float height, check the float needle isn't worn (a wear line on the pin end), check the slide needle isn't worn/bent and the primary & main jets are clean.
I don't think I saw one, do you have a picture of what that might look like set up on a bike? I have a vague picture in my head. How much would you think someone would charge me to clean my carb out proper and do the adjustments you speak of? TIA. This float shit is confuzzling me.

Edited to add, do you mean something like this?
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where it goes tap, fuel line, filter, fuel line, carb? I.e you'd have to cut the line to fit it?

[T.W.R]

I don't think I saw one, do you have a picture of what that might look like set up on a bike? I have a vague picture in my head. How much would you think someone would charge me to clean my carb out proper and do the adjustments you speak of? TIA. This float shit is confuzzling me.

Edited to add, do you mean something like this?

where it goes tap, fuel line, filter, fuel line, carb? I.e you'd have to cut the line to fit it?

Those filters are less common

1st pic are the usual or a more smooth sided cone type

2nd pic one in place in a fuel line & yes the line is cut to put them in place

Someone with a bit of knowledge and specs for the float height could do it, A shop would charge a minimum labour cost (1hrs worth) but its easily done 15-20mins tops

[leathel]

The float level doesn't often need adjusting but it does pay to check it..... but if you dont have detailed diagrams and instructions dont touch it as get it wrong and it can seriously affect the way the bike runs....

[bosslady]

The float level doesn't often need adjusting but it does pay to check it..... but if you dont have detailed diagrams and instructions dont touch it as get it wrong and it can seriously affect the way the bike runs....
Sounds like I need to take it to somebody in the know then. I wonder if I should take it to Coleman's Suzuki or Spectrum?

[awayatc]

just not when I slow down.

You are on a GN and you want to slow down....?

[nzspokes]

Sounds like I need to take it to somebody in the know then. I wonder if I should take it to Coleman's Suzuki or Spectrum?

Are you mobile without the bike going? You can pop over here and I can check the float height for you. 10 min job as long as you have the spec. I may be able to get my compressor going to and blow it out though thats not been run for a long time.

PM me if you want.

[bosslady]

Are you mobile without the bike going? You can pop over here and I can check the float height for you. 10 min job as long as you have the spec. I may be able to get my compressor going to and blow it out though thats not been run for a long time.

PM me if you want.
so maybe you can clean it to? book for older models says 27.4 + 1.0 mm if that makes sense? that would be cool if you could, saves me some cash money. Will PM you shortly. Oh and yea I got a car too.

[bosslady]

Those filters are less common

1st pic are the usual or a more smooth sided cone type

2nd pic one in place in a fuel line & yes the line is cut to put them in place

Someone with a bit of knowledge and specs for the float height could do it, A shop would charge a minimum labour cost (1hrs worth) but its easily done 15-20mins tops
What's the best place to get an inline filter?

[T.W.R]

so maybe you can clean it to? book for older models says 27.4 + 1.0 mm if that makes sense? that would be cool if you could, saves me some cash money. Will PM you shortly. Oh and yea I got a car too.

that measurement is with the carb upside down and measured squarely off the carb body to what will be the upper edge off the float, the +/- 1.0mm is the allowable variation

[T.W.R]

What's the best place to get an inline filter?

Bikeshop lol, never had to buy one myself just used to grab them off the shelf from work ;)

[Rhys]

Super cheap, Repco they are only a few dollars

[ducatilover]

I might be in Auckville again in a few weeks, if I am I'll set the carb up for milk and cookies.
I might have a new fuel tap and filter somewhere too.

Float on those is best set with the carb on its side, not upside down. Should be measured/adjusted to where the tang just kisses the needle (giggity?)

[T.W.R]

Float on those is best set with the carb on its side, not upside down. Should be measured/adjusted to where the tang just kisses the needle (giggity?)

lol don't tell a mechanic that :killingme that goes against every manual both factory & aftermarket :lol:

how the hell are you going to know you're getting any accurate measurement

[ducatilover]

lol don't tell a mechanic that :killingme that goes against every manual both factory & aftermarket :lol:

how the hell are you going to know you're getting any accurate measurement

You measure it at the height where the float kisses the needle. It's easier to set it on its side than hold it upside down and lift the float so it's not depressing the needle.
The manual states 27.4 +/-1mm when just in contact with the needle valve.

Not that I'd know anyway :innocent:

[fridayflash]

this is pretty much how ive done it in the past

285480

[bosslady]

my bike is fully fucked. It won't turn on without the choke now and when you warm it up and close it, it stalls shortly after. Sounds totally screwed, won't idle properly. I'm pretty upset and totally over this piece of shit bike. Tried to change mixture, idle speed, whatever, nothing helps. Put that inline filter in, then reverted back to old one, no difference. Over it, just over it. Unless this ends up being an easy fix that someone else can fix since It's above my skill level, then fuck it all!

[bosslady]

I might be in Auckville again in a few weeks, if I am I'll set the carb up for milk and cookies.
I might have a new fuel tap and filter somewhere too.

Float on those is best set with the carb on its side, not upside down. Should be measured/adjusted to where the tang just kisses the needle (giggity?)
if anyone can fix my bike proper I'll give them more than milk and cookies!

[ducatilover]

I'd say it just needs a carb clean :yes:

You can get more than milk and cookies?

[bosslady]

I'd say it just needs a carb clean :yes:

You can get more than milk and cookies?
it's been cleaned though?

[ducatilover]

Does it die as soon as you grab some throttle?

[bosslady]

Does it die as soon as you grab some throttle?
it did one-time then not another time, it's just a mess, truly!

[ducatilover]

Punch it in the cock.

[bosslady]

Punch it in the cock.
fucking aye!

[nerrrd]

my bike is fully fucked. It won't turn on without the choke now and when you warm it up and close it, it stalls shortly after. Sounds totally screwed, won't idle properly. I'm pretty upset and totally over this piece of shit bike. Tried to change mixture, idle speed, whatever, nothing helps. Put that inline filter in, then reverted back to old one, no difference. Over it, just over it. Unless this ends up being an easy fix that someone else can fix since It's above my skill level, then fuck it all!

Shitballs, never mind you tried, be surprised if you're not bang on about it being an easy fix for someone who (cough) knows what they're doing :innocent: got to learn somehow.

If no one else steps up that George guy from Motorcycle doctors gets a lot of good press, and he comes to you so you can watch what he's doing maybe.

[T.W.R]

my bike is fully fucked. It won't turn on without the choke now and when you warm it up and close it, it stalls shortly after. Sounds totally screwed, won't idle properly. I'm pretty upset and totally over this piece of shit bike. Tried to change mixture, idle speed, whatever, nothing helps. Put that inline filter in, then reverted back to old one, no difference. Over it, just over it. Unless this ends up being an easy fix that someone else can fix since It's above my skill level, then fuck it all!

When you had the carb apart and reassembled it the main jet needle has moved...hasn't located properly in the top of the emulsion tube and has been pushed up, just take the top of the carb and seat it properly in the vacuum piston again and reassemble

[leathel]

carbs can be fun.... go without a glitch and piece of cake, needle valve not seat properly and it will either flood or or run lean (yours is lean) set the float level wrong and the same, Clean all the shit out of the carb but leave a bit in the fuel line or tank and it may block a jet on filling the carb.....If you get stuck and dont want to spend coin chuck it on a trailer and drop it down....I can swap stuff of Roses GN for a quick fix as she isn't riding it ATM she is learning on the dirt bike then sort the problem and fix it

Or just repeat the carb clean, tank clean and make sure you have an inline filter fitted and lines clean and set the float level, remove the gets and inspect if they are clean, Blow all lines etc with compressed air

Just a fuel issue by the sounds of it no biggie

Float level in my book is 27.4 +- 1mm and is to the top of the float from the flat base, Some bikes it is to the needle valve line (OK may only be the old bikes as its been close to 25+ years since I worked as a bike mechanic) but the book I have is definitely saying the top of the float (pic in the book is on page 4-9 if you have the same book)

[nzspokes]

I cleaned the carb yesterday and set the float height for Bosslady. The float height was set at 21mm. I changed it to 27mm. Now are we sure of this spec? She had a manual for it but could there be a model year change?

It is very clean inside and all I did was run some carb cleaner through it and blew it out with the compressor. I strongly suspect this float height.

Bosslady text me later, I can pop over tonight for a look with it on the bike if that suits.

[bosslady]

Well the GN can very well go fuck itself! I hate this stupid bike, wish I could upgrade but have to wait so have to fix the little bastard in the interim #@$#@@%%!@#%!


When you had the carb apart and reassembled it the main jet needle has moved...hasn't located properly in the top of the emulsion tube and has been pushed up, just take the top of the carb and seat it properly in the vacuum piston again and reassemble

I'll try that but I've already screwed around with something that is far beyond my current comprehension of anything! I think it is best I try and find someone who knows what they are doing.

Leathel I may take you up on your offer I'll just see what I can do this week first, if anything.

Stupid %#^$@&#^@% GN

[leathel]

I cleaned the carb yesterday and set the float height for Bosslady. The float height was set at 21mm. I changed it to 27mm. Now are we sure of this spec? She had a manual for it but could there be a model year change?

It is very clean inside and all I did was run some carb cleaner through it and blew it out with the compressor. I strongly suspect this float height.

Bosslady text me later, I can pop over tonight for a look with it on the bike if that suits.

That will do it....run lean adjusting that way but it is the specked level

[bosslady]

I cleaned the carb yesterday and set the float height for Bosslady. The float height was set at 21mm. I changed it to 27mm. Now are we sure of this spec? She had a manual for it but could there be a model year change?

It is very clean inside and all I did was run some carb cleaner through it and blew it out with the compressor. I strongly suspect this float height.

Bosslady text me later, I can pop over tonight for a look with it on the bike if that suits.

I think I might have fucked up the floats when I was mucking around with it and bent it somehow (before I got you to look at it).

[nzspokes]

When you had the carb apart and reassembled it the main jet needle has moved...hasn't located properly in the top of the emulsion tube and has been pushed up, just take the top of the carb and seat it properly in the vacuum piston again and reassemble

Checked that when I put it back together. Needle was seated well.

[unstuck]

:laugh::laugh: All part of the learning process, could be any number of things. Getting stressed out when working on things like carbs can make you a bit heavy handed, and then you make it worse. Take some deep calming breaths and chill, it will get sorted. Just needs a little more TLC.:devil2:

[T.W.R]

Checked that when I put it back together. Needle was seated well.

$10 says it's moved ;) it may have been seated properly when you put back together but doesn't mean to say that when you slid the vacuum piston back into the carb body that the needle lined up properly with the hole in the emulsion tube....only has to be off centre a fraction and it'll push out of place. And once it's dislocated the whole mechanism is upset

[unstuck]

$10 says it's moved ;) it may have been seated properly when you put back together but doesn't mean to say that when you slid the vacuum piston back into the carb body that the needle lined up properly with the hole in the emulsion tube....only has to be off centre a fraction and it'll push out of place. And once it's dislocated the whole mechanism is upset

Yeah, my money would be on something simple like that too. I will hold all the betting money for everyone.......Just send it to greedy fucker Gore.:devil2:

[Banditbandit]

my bike is fully fucked. ... I'm pretty upset and totally over this piece of shit bike. l!

Been telling you that for a while ... Flick it and get something decent ...

[ducatilover]

I cleaned the carb yesterday and set the float height for Bosslady. The float height was set at 21mm. I changed it to 27mm. Now are we sure of this spec? She had a manual for it but could there be a model year change?

It is very clean inside and all I did was run some carb cleaner through it and blew it out with the compressor. I strongly suspect this float height.

Bosslady text me later, I can pop over tonight for a look with it on the bike if that suits.

Yup 27mm is correct, GNs had no mechanical changes over the years (all of them run a BS34SS Mikuni)
If you haven't got it sorted in a few weeks Bosswimmin, I will try make time to help you when I'm in D'orkland and I'll bring up a carb and a few other bits

[Drew]

Yup 27mm is correct, GNs had no mechanical changes over the years (all of them run a BS34SS Mikuni)
If you haven't got it sorted in a few weeks Bosswimmin, I will try make time to help you when I'm in D'orkland and I'll bring up a carb and a few other bits

Translation. Make like a turkey girl...gobble gobble!

[ducatilover]

Translation. Make like a turkey girl...gobble gobble!

Yeah, gobbies are sweet

[Smifffy]

Like a Boss! :Police:


Well the GN can very well go fuck itself! I hate this stupid bike, wish I could upgrade but have to wait so have to fix the little bastard in the interim #@$#@@%%!@#%!



I'll try that but I've already screwed around with something that is far beyond my current comprehension of anything! I think it is best I try and find someone who knows what they are doing.

Leathel I may take you up on your offer I'll just see what I can do this week first, if anything.

Stupid %#^$@&#^@% GN

[imdying]

I know you are you said you are but what am I?I'll take a stab in the dark and say over thirty and unmarried? :whistle:

[bosslady]

I'll take a stab in the dark and say over thirty and unmarried? :whistle:
Fuck you're such a loser. And, no.

[imdying]

Don't worry, you'll get there :msn-wink:

[leathel]

I just fired up roses bike with stale fuel and it fired up alright and worst case scenario if you cant sort it we can steel her carb to try on yours...

And the trolls on this site are probably just jealous that you have clocked up more k's on a bike that doesn't meet their standard than they have on the garage pony :baby:

[bosslady]

I just fired up roses bike with stale fuel and it fired up alright and worst case scenario if you cant sort it we can steel her carb to try on yours...

And the trolls on this site are probably just jealous that you have clocked up more k's on a bike that doesn't meet their standard than they have of the garage pony :baby:
As long as she comes right before the cold kiwi I'll be happy. Well maybe still a little grumpy that I have a POS bike, but it's a bike, I guess.

[Smifffy]

As long as she comes right before the cold kiwi I'll be happy. Well maybe still a little grumpy that I have a POS bike, but it's a bike, I guess.

Be kind to your bike. It might not be the bike you want now, but it is the bike you have, and it gets you out there 'doing it'. Any bike is going to need a little work from time to time. Chill out.

[Maha]

Be kind to your bike. It might not be the bike you want now, but it is the bike you have, and it gets you out there 'doing it'. Any bike is going to need a little work from time to time. Chill out.

Isn't that the truth, I got my bike out before, I had to clean the panniers :blink:
I have only ever own six bikes, four have been brand new. Don't think I will buy second hand again. One of the two non new bikes I owned cost over $4K in the two and a bit years I had it...never again.

[ducatilover]

And the trolls on this site are probably just jealous that you have clocked up more k's on a bike that doesn't meet their standard than they have of the garage pony :baby:
I think that's most of KB :msn-wink: including me.

[neels]

So you've pulled it apart and put it back together and now it's worse than when you started, that's the sort of story people qualified to fix things love to hear.

Fair enough for giving it a go, seems ironic however to be swearing about the bike after you broke it. Correct procedure is to gracefully admit defeat, then get someone that knows what they're doing to fix it and explain what you did wrong.

[Smifffy]

So you've pulled it apart and put it back together and now it's worse than when you started, that's the sort of story people qualified to fix things love to hear.

Fair enough for giving it a go, seems ironic however to be swearing about the bike after you broke it. Correct procedure is to gracefully admit defeat, then get someone that knows what they're doing to fix it and explain what you did wrong.

You're forgetting she's a Boss. Bosses never follow correct procedure, they just expect everybody else to. Then they bitch and moan and blame everybody and everything else for their problems. Then they decide that there are only two options available to them; throw money at it, or convince someone else to get involved. Either way it better get fixed fast or the blame gets shifted tout de suite. All of this is to accompanied by regular tantys.

The real good bosses will write and enforce their procedure, whether correct or otherwise, without ever having done the job.

It's good to be Boss.

[Maha]

So you've pulled it apart and put it back together and now it's worse than when you started, that's the sort of story people qualified to fix things love to hear.

Fair enough for giving it a go, seems ironic however to be swearing about the bike after you broke it. Correct procedure is to gracefully admit defeat, then get someone that knows what they're doing to fix it and explain what you did wrong.

...and don't let anyone work on your bike when it's guess work at best. :msn-wink:

[Banditbandit]

Fuck you're such a loser. And, no.

Maybe - but he's not the one with the fucked bike !!!


but it's a bike, I guess.

I'd guess not ... It's scrap metal - get a better one ..

I came across a GN on the road this morning - fuck I hate that - bloody thing was doddling along in a 100k zone at around 65-70 ... wobbling all over the road (fat rider as well) ... ya never know what the fuckers are going to do ... so I waited till I had clear road and zapped past - as much as a 2.7 Terrano will "zap" ...

[Drew]

Maybe - but he's not the one with the fucked bike !!!



I'd guess not ... It's scrap metal - get a better one ..

I came across a GN on the road this morning - fuck I hate that - bloody thing was doddling along in a 100k zone at around 65-70 ... wobbling all over the road (fat rider as well) ... ya never know what the fuckers are going to do ... so I waited till I had clear road and zapped past - as much as a 2.7 Terrano will "zap" ...

So disappointing. I like to do wheelies past...But obviously not in a Terrano so I will let it slide.

Bike's fucked. Pucker up. Bike will be fixed. Sometimes I think chicks have it easy...Then I laugh my tits off for five to seven days a month, realising the error in such thinking.

[leathel]

the Nissan Terrano 2.7 is the GN equivalent on the 4x4 world :laugh:

[Drew]

the Nissan Terrano 2.7 is the GN equivalent on the 4x4 world :laugh:
It fucken WISHES it rated that high!

[bosslady]

Be kind to your bike. It might not be the bike you want now, but it is the bike you have, and it gets you out there 'doing it'. Any bike is going to need a little work from time to time. Chill out.
I've always been very good to my bike and it does get me out there, but I've outgrown it now and just resent It lol.

So you've pulled it apart and put it back together and now it's worse than when you started, that's the sort of story people qualified to fix things love to hear.

Fair enough for giving it a go, seems ironic however to be swearing about the bike after you broke it. Correct procedure is to gracefully admit defeat, then get someone that knows what they're doing to fix it and explain what you did wrong.
I've been sick of my bike for ages and it was already broke, I just made it worse!

You're forgetting she's a Boss. Bosses never follow correct procedure, they just expect everybody else to. Then they bitch and moan and blame everybody and everything else for their problems. Then they decide that there are only two options available to them; throw money at it, or convince someone else to get involved. Either way it better get fixed fast or the blame gets shifted tout de suite. All of this is to accompanied by regular tantys.

The real good bosses will write and enforce their procedure, whether correct or otherwise, without ever having done the job.

It's good to be Boss.
You sound like you've had some bad bosses, lol.

[fridayflash]

I'd say it just needs a carb clean :yes:

yep, surely just blocked pilot and or main jet

[ducatilover]

You sound like you've had some bad bosses, lol.

Orrrrrrr, he's happily married.

[Drew]

I've always been very good to my bike and it does get me out there, but I've outgrown it now and just resent It lol.The bike is an inanimate object. How can you resent it?

Anyhoo, drag it down your street behind a car. Claim the insurance, and save yourself the chapped lips from working Doug's pole.

[bosslady]

A proper bike mechanic I.e. not me, is gonna pick up my bike from work this week sometime and fix it for me. In case he can't get it done in time though, he said he'd lend me his Scorpio for the cold kiwi.

And all is right in the world!

[bosslady]

The bike is an inanimate object. How can you resent it?

Anyhoo, drag it down your street behind a car. Claim the insurance, and save yourself the chapped lips from working Doug's pole.
I can hate whatever I want hah!

[Smifffy]

A proper bike mechanic I.e. not me, is gonna pick up my bike from work this week sometime and fix it for me. In case he can't get it done in time though, he said he'd lend me his Scorpio for the cold kiwi.

And all is right in the world!

Remember, it's not a katana, so if you do take it, try to get it out of 3rd gear on the way to the kiwi.


I can hate whatever I want hah!

The path to the dark side that is.

[bosslady]

Remember, it's not a katana, so if you do take it, try to get it out of 3rd gear on the way to the kiwi.



The path to the dark side that is.
haha very funny

[Banditbandit]

the Nissan Terrano 2.7 is the GN equivalent on the 4x4 world :laugh:

:rofl: Pretty close !!!! The best thing is that I've only ever got one speeding ticket in the Terrano - and that was downhill in a 50k area ...

[unstuck]

Mate has a terrano, was a diesle auto and was a slow heap.So just before last xmas I put a 3ltr v6 and 5 speed manual in it for him, and now he is complaining about the price of fuel. Some people aye.:brick:

[Banditbandit]

The Nissan 2.7 Diesel used in the Terrano is one of the most reliable engines the company's ever made ... I'd take one over a 3litre petrol engine any day.

If you are not into speed then the Terrano is a good beast - I'm not heavily into off roading, but certainly into hunting and fishing - and used to own land in the high country where it snowed. The 4x4 was the only way to get home sometimes ... and they are very nice to crusie long distance in ..

So as a medium 4x4 I'd recommend them for anyone not into serious off-roading ... for fun on the road I have bikes - I don't get excited about anything with more than two wheels !!!

[ducatilover]

Yup, them TD27s are solid when you take care of 'em. Not particularly peppy, but all Jap diesels of that era were like that. They're also very well priced

[leathel]

Yup, them TD27s are solid when you take care of 'em. Not particularly peppy, but all Jap diesels of that era were like that. They're also very well priced

Sort of like a GN250 used as a learner bike :yes: :laugh:

[ducatilover]

Sort of like a GN250 used as a learner bike :yes: :laugh:

Yeah, but GNs are cooler :innocent:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, but GNs are cooler :innocent:

True - but Terranos have heaters (for when it's too cool) and music systems ..

[Drew]

Yup, them TD27s are solid when you take care of 'em. Not particularly peppy, but all Jap diesels of that era were like that. They're also very well priced
The Isuzu 2.8 turbo diesel is peppy, cheaper to run, and as or more reliable.

Take motor from light truck, lighten flywheel, put in SUV. = WIN

[T.W.R]

The Nissan 2.7 Diesel used in the Terrano is one of the most reliable engines the company's ever made ... I'd take one over a 3litre petrol engine any day.


So as a medium 4x4 I'd recommend them for anyone not into serious off-roading ...

lol thats why the Nissan 3lt V6 was voted the engine the decade in the 90s, TD27s are damn good old beasts even to the point when they're almost dead they just keep on plugging away.

RM3 terrano will trounce a Hilux surf/4runner any day of the week :yes:


The Isuzu 2.8 turbo diesel is peppy, cheaper to run, and as or more reliable.

Take motor from light truck, lighten flywheel, put in SUV. = WIN

lol just don't go bush in a MU farking things float in puddles

Pulled plenty of them out of the Rakaia river bed and that isn't anywhere near serious 4x4 territory

[ducatilover]

True - but Terranos have heaters (for when it's too cool) and music systems .. Also true. But I have testicles, so it doesn't matter

said the Volvo driving wanker


The Isuzu 2.8 turbo diesel is peppy, cheaper to run, and as or more reliable.

Take motor from light truck, lighten flywheel, put in SUV. = WIN
I forgot about them :facepalm: they go well for something of the era. And they have an ideal sized turbo for small/medium 4 cyl bikes.

[Banditbandit]

Also true. But I have testicles, so it doesn't matter



:rofl:

I'll bet your testicles (and associated articles) are much more use to you if you get out of a Terrano on a cold day than if you get off a bike ...

[leathel]

:rofl:

I'll bet your testicles (and associated articles) are much more use to you if you get out of a Terrano on a cold day than if you get off a bike ...

Don't you have warm gear? I am not cold even when it fog etc..... even my hands are toasty warm ;)

I guess you are not heading to the Cold Kiwi then :rolleyes:

[ducatilover]

:rofl:

I'll bet your testicles (and associated articles) are much more use to you if you get out of a Terrano on a cold day than if you get off a bike ...

I'm pretty sure most people I meet have massive gaping vaginas
"oh, cold day to be on a bike"

"yes, I'm riding it naked, not wearing my gear at all"
:facepalm:

I've never had much of an issue with cold riding, I have decent gear.

[bosslady]

Here's my girl, hope the doctor can fix her!

[unstuck]

Here's my girl, hope the doctor can fix her!

Well if he cant, I would be looking for a new doctor.:msn-wink:

[bosslady]

Got an update... Will never ask my flatty to help with valve clearances, apparently they were way too tight, one was borderline and the other one was 0? Said he couldn't get any of his thickness gauges in there. Argh... haha... As for the carb, apparently the needle (the one with the black tube and diaphragm attached attached to it? whatever the proper name for that is) was slightly bent. He also said the emulsion tube (jet?) had worn (from the needle rubbing against it over time) turning it oval and that that was pretty normal for a bike like mine having done 20-30k (it's done about 20k now). So, I need a new needle and the emulsion tube I guess? Apparently it has to come from Japan, I hope it won't be too expensive!

[leathel]

Its a little hard to tell from your mint descriptions exactly what parts you need but it sounds like the needle and main jet setup......

The other thing it could be maybe is the needle valve

http://www.smebike.com/suzuki-dr250-gn250-sp250-ls650-sp500-sp600-needle-valve?keyword=gn250&description=1&model=1

but I don't think it is that...... Unfortunately that site doesn't have the other setup..

[Drew]

Got an update... Will never ask my flatty to help with valve clearances, apparently they were way too tight, one was borderline and the other one was 0? Said he couldn't get any of his thickness gauges in there. Argh... haha... As for the carb, apparently the needle (the one with the black tube and diaphragm attached attached to it? whatever the proper name for that is) was slightly bent. He also said the emulsion tube (jet?) had worn (from the needle rubbing against it over time) turning it oval and that that was pretty normal for a bike like mine having done 20-30k (it's done about 20k now). So, I need a new needle and the emulsion tube I guess? Apparently it has to come from Japan, I hope it won't be too expensive!

Emulsion tubes going oval is very common, I wouldn't have expected it after 20,000ks so the needle might have been bent for some time. Can't think of anyway for that to happen, that isn't caused by a hamfisted 'think-I'm-a-mechanic' type. But I could just be not imaginative enough.

I'd get a straight needle from a wrecker, and just run it with the oval emulsion tube.

[bosslady]

Emulsion tubes going oval is very common, I wouldn't have expected it after 20,000ks so the needle might have been bent for some time. Can't think of anyway for that to happen, that isn't caused by a hamfisted 'think-I'm-a-mechanic' type. But I could just be not imaginative enough.

I'd get a straight needle from a wrecker, and just run it with the oval emulsion tube.
Probably doesn't hurt to get a new oem part? he said it's running and idling, but not great (at least that's what I think he said) I think it must be worth replacing the emulsion tube, esp if I've been having problems with idling and stalling for some weeks which must be because it's not sealing properly? but hey, what would I know, not like I'm a mechanic or anything (no shit!)

[Drew]

Probably doesn't hurt to get a new oem part? he said it's running and idling, but not great (at least that's what I think he said) I think it must be worth replacing the emulsion tube, esp if I've been having problems with idling and stalling for some weeks which must be because it's not sealing properly? but hey, what would I know, not like I'm a mechanic or anything (no shit!)The needle never 'seals' to the emulsion tube. There is always a gap around the needle, for fuel to pass by.

It can't hurt to get another if they aren't expensive. A mate replaced all four on his GSXR1100, and he was disgusted at the price they stung him.

[bosslady]

The needle never 'seals' to the emulsion tube. There is always a gap around the needle, for fuel to pass by.

It can't hurt to get another if they aren't expensive. A mate replaced all four on his GSXR1100, and he was disgusted at the price they stung him.
Guess they're not comparable bikes but do you know how much it was, for one? I'm not sure how much it is, neither was he as he hadn't ordered it yet until he talked to me although if it's horrendous I'm sure he'll let me know.

Oh and ta for the explanation, trying to get my head around it all.

[Drew]

Guess they're not comparable bikes but do you know how much it was, for one? I'm not sure how much it is, neither was he as he hadn't ordered it yet until he talked to me although if it's horrendous I'm sure he'll let me know.

Oh and ta for the explanation, trying to get my head around it all.Can't remember how much he said they were. He's a fuckin shocking Jew though, so it might have been fuck all per item.

Watch this, to wrap your head around it.

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[DanielM8]

Hoorah! Hope it gets all sorted for you.. problematic bikes SUCK.. especially when you're left stalled at a traffic light or something!!

[nzspokes]

Its a little hard to tell from your mint descriptions exactly what parts you need but it sounds like the needle and main jet setup......

The other thing it could be maybe is the needle valve

http://www.smebike.com/suzuki-dr250-gn250-sp250-ls650-sp500-sp600-needle-valve?keyword=gn250&description=1&model=1

but I don't think it is that...... Unfortunately that site doesn't have the other setup..

Yes hes great. Contact him as his website sucks. He will have the bits im sure. Just dont ask him about politics.

[leathel]

Yes hes great. Contact him as his website sucks. He will have the bits im sure. Just dont ask him about politics.

yeah he didn't have my jets on the web site....but had them, same price as in USA without F/all freight

He has a carb kit that will do my kids bike for a whopping $30
Float bowl seal
Float needle valve assembly
Jet needle
Jet needle clip
Needle retainer
Needle jet
Main jet #110 can change to suit
Slow jet #38
Mixture screw assembly
Throttle screw and spring
Top cap gasket

[bosslady]

Its a little hard to tell from your mint descriptions exactly what parts you need but it sounds like the needle and main jet setup......

The other thing it could be maybe is the needle valve

http://www.smebike.com/suzuki-dr250-gn250-sp250-ls650-sp500-sp600-needle-valve?keyword=gn250&description=1&model=1

but I don't think it is that...... Unfortunately that site doesn't have the other setup..
No I don't think it's that. I'll try and find a pic.