Carburation vs. Fuel Injection

[Slingshot]

Hi all, I need some advise.

I'm looking at buying an R6. I rode one today, an '03 model, which was fuel injected and I absolutely loved it (but I think it was a little over priced).
Now it seems that '03 was the first year of fuel injection for the R6 and hence anything earlier will be carburetted. I'm curious to know if there is really much difference in the feel/power delivery between carburation and fuel injection.

I also understand that the R6 frame was more rigid on the '03 model, any idea if this extra rigidity is noticeable?

Cheers

[Brains]

Alot of it depends on how much you want to do with your bike, a friend of mine only owns carbed bikes as he knows how to play with jetting and all that stuff, me I like the FI bikes, any problems are sorted with a power commander - often just downloading maps from the website. If you like the FI model then get it.

[White trash]

Hi all, I need some advise.

I'm looking at buying an R6. I rode one today, an '03 model, which was fuel injected and I absolutely loved it (but I think it was a little over priced).
Now it seems that '03 was the first year of fuel injection for the R6 and hence anything earlier will be carburetted. I'm curious to know if there is really much difference in the feel/power delivery between carburation and fuel injection.

I also understand that the R6 frame was more rigid on the '03 model, any idea if this extra rigidity is noticeable?

Cheers

You want some sound advice? Steer well clear of the Yamashit and get yourself a nice ZX636. 03 or later.

They are a far superior machine in every department, including rideability. In fact, get a new 05, they're the shiz.


(Holy fuck! Did I just say that?)

[Brains]

You want some sound advice? Steer well clear of the Yamashit and get yourself a nice ZX636. 03 or later.

They are a far superior machine in every department, including rideability. In fact, get a new 05, they're the shiz.


(Holy fuck! Did I just say that?)

Yeah the 636 are great...you are under 5ft tall though aren't you, if you are however of normal size steer well clear - it's the sportsbike that wants to be a harley, bolt upright seating position but still cramped. Nice weee motor though.

[WINJA]

You want some sound advice? Steer well clear of the Yamashit and get yourself a nice ZX636. 03 or later.

They are a far superior machine in every department, including rideability. In fact, get a new 05, they're the shiz.


(Holy fuck! Did I just say that?)
I KNOW SOME OF THE EARLIER YAMAHA R1 AND R6 HAD QUALITY PROBLEMS BUT THE STUFF YAMAHA IS PUTTING OUT AT THE MOMENT MUST BE AT THE TOP QUALITY WISE, THE R1 FOR 05/04 IS PROLLY THE BEST WORKMANSHIP IVE SEEN ON A BIKE . WHATS THE RELIABILITY LIKE FOR THE NEW R1? ANY ONE

[bugjuice]

You want some sound advice? Steer well clear of the Yamashit and get yourself a nice ZX636. 03 or later.

They are a far superior machine in every department, including rideability. In fact, get a new 05, they're the shiz.


(Holy fuck! Did I just say that?)
I'm sure that must be a typo.. what's the world coming to..

[White trash]

I KNOW SOME OF THE EARLIER YAMAHA R1 AND R6 HAD QUALITY PROBLEMS BUT THE STUFF YAMAHA IS PUTTING OUT AT THE MOMENT MUST BE AT THE TOP QUALITY WISE, THE R1 FOR 05/04 IS PROLLY THE BEST WORKMANSHIP IVE SEEN ON A BIKE . WHATS THE RELIABILITY LIKE FOR THE NEW R1? ANY ONE

A well known Welly/Wairarapa pilot who's always been a Yamaha nut, had all new R1s for quite some time. Bought a K3 Gixxer when they came out because it was so much better than his 02 R1. Then sold the Gixxer for an 04 R1. Six months later, the clutch started slipping on the Yamaha. They flat out refused a warranty claim on the R1 because "No one else has had a problem with one" so he sold the bike, told them to jam it and is now a very happy K5 Gixxer pilot.

[TwoSeven]

I understand the 1st year of injection was a bit rough. 2nd year brings it back to about how they left off with carbs.

Only difference I can tell between the bikes is one uses slightly less fuel. It seems not much has changed since the 2k model was released.

[jimbo600]

You want some sound advice? Steer well clear of the Yamashit and get yourself a nice ZX636. 03 or later.

They are a far superior machine in every department, including rideability. In fact, get a new 05, they're the shiz.


(Holy fuck! Did I just say that?)

You've changed man.

[White trash]

You've changed man.

Of course, a REAL man would just say "To hell with a gay 600" and buy a Gixxer 1K which is what anyone with any nuts would do..........

[jimbo600]

Of course, a REAL man would just say "To hell with a gay 600" and buy a Gixxer 1K which is what anyone with any nuts would do..........

Pah! 1000's are for girlies who haven't got the minerals to give it rissole through the corners.

[White trash]

Pah! 1000's are for girlies who haven't got the minerals to give it rissole through the corners.

That's right, I forgot about you giving me the hurry along on the 'Takas when I was on a HARLEY! Fucken blouse.......

[FROSTY]

OF course a REAL man would ride a 400 and take it to the boys on their thous and show em how to ride

[jimbo600]

That's right, I forgot about you giving me the hurry along on the 'Takas when I was on a HARLEY! Fucken blouse.......

What the fuckedy fuck are you on about now dawg? You forget your meds again?

[White trash]

OF course a REAL man would ride a 400 and take it to the boys on their thous and show em how to ride

Right. Know any "REAL men"?

[WINJA]

Right. Know any "REAL men"?
YUP L.LOWE ON A BANDIT 400 WITH AN RGV SWING ARM GOING TO PIHA, GOOD VIDEO

[Slingshot]

I understand the 1st year of injection was a bit rough. 2nd year brings it back to about how they left off with carbs.

Only difference I can tell between the bikes is one uses slightly less fuel. It seems not much has changed since the 2k model was released.

Thanks TwoSeven, the one I rode today was a bit peaky in first (can't remember at what revs though, maybe 5000ish).

I also rode a CBR600RR & a CBR600F4i today, the F4i was too much like my current bike and the RR just didn't feel right.

I had though about the 636 but haven't yet riden one, and can't afford to shell out for a brand new one.

[FROSTY]

YUP L.LOWE ON A BANDIT 400 WITH AN RGV SWING ARM GOING TO PIHA, GOOD VIDEO
Now I just wonder who ended up with that bandit after LL tossed it away

[Lou Girardin]

A well known Welly/Wairarapa pilot who's always been a Yamaha nut, had all new R1s for quite some time. Bought a K3 Gixxer when they came out because it was so much better than his 02 R1. Then sold the Gixxer for an 04 R1. Six months later, the clutch started slipping on the Yamaha. They flat out refused a warranty claim on the R1 because "No one else has had a problem with one" so he sold the bike, told them to jam it and is now a very happy K5 Gixxer pilot.

More fool him for bending over and taking it.

[Mental Trousers]

OF course a REAL man would ride a 400 and take it to the boys on their thous and show em how to ride

They get a real fright when a 400 goes around the outside of them at 160kms :motu:

[zadok]

Is anyone actually going to answer the question? As you know, I have just bought the 1000GTR, which is a carby model. Even tho there wasn't an option of a F.I model, I've wondered myself what the difference would be if any. Is F.I starting to become standard on most bikes these days (especially larger capacity)?

[White trash]

Is F.I starting to become standard on most bikes these days (especially larger capacity)?

As yourself this then.

How many carbed cars can you buy new?

[bugjuice]

Thanks TwoSeven, the one I rode today was a bit peaky in first (can't remember at what revs though, maybe 5000ish).

I also rode a CBR600RR & a CBR600F4i today, the F4i was too much like my current bike and the RR just didn't feel right.

I had though about the 636 but haven't yet riden one, and can't afford to shell out for a brand new one.
you don't need to shell out for a new one. You can get an '03 for around 10k or so, a little more and it'll be better looked after.. but they aren't too expensive, and the 03/04 is the pick of the crop so far..

[WRT]

YUP L.LOWE ON A BANDIT 400 WITH AN RGV SWING ARM GOING TO PIHA, GOOD VIDEO

Any chance of getting a copy of that vid?

[mjvduc]

Is anyone actually going to answer the question? As you know, I have just bought the 1000GTR, which is a carby model. Even tho there wasn't an option of a F.I model, I've wondered myself what the difference would be if any. Is F.I starting to become standard on most bikes these days (especially larger capacity)?


Apart from the technical stuff, FI engines using less fuel and run much leaner (at least they should) to optimize fuel to air ratio. Bear in mind some countries have emission regulations enforced and getting very grumpy if you don’t follow them!!! :woohoo: much easier to throw in a new (leaner) fuel mapping instead of rejetting the whole thing.

Have you ever ridden a stock ducati? Eg. ST3 or 4 :puke: shocker

Basically it doesn’t matter if you run a carb or FI engine, if you want to do a proper set up you need some equipment and knowledge.


mjvduc

[Mental Trousers]

Any chance of getting a copy of that vid?

Seconded.

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[WINJA]

Any chance of getting a copy of that vid?
IF YOU KNOW HIM ASK ABOUT THE CRYING INDIAN WHO MIGHT STILL HAVE IT

[TLDV8]

I don't know the answer..but there is something funky about twin injector 62mm TB's :Punk: ...

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[Ixion]

As yourself this then.

How many carbed cars can you buy new?

True. But that is mainly because FI is easier to get a pass on California emission rules. You can set them up to be very lean JUST at the conditions that the emission test is run at . That's harder with carbs.

Back in the 70's (or thereabouts) some manufacturers like Aston Martin and Triumph (car Triumph) used to use carbs on their sporty models , and FI on a detuned version for the States, because with FI they could pass the emission tests.

FI is very nice until it goes wrong. Then it's very horrible. Carbs is a pain, but when they go wrong human beings can fix them.

[Slingshot]

OK....So by the sounds of it, it's not a big deal either way.

Thanks all.

[TLDV8]

I suppose on a smaller capacity bike like the R6 or similar ,FI could minimize the problem with reverse flow richness at lower RPM so there might be a boost in torque and throttle response (using the same spec camshafts) :sherlock: ..or it mightn't to :rofl:

[avgas]

my experience with EFI and carbs can be concluded like this:

EFI - good power, smooth response, almost fixes itself sometimes etc
Carbs - instant grunt, sounds great, easy to fix most times, easy to access

I personally feel that new sportbikes shouldnt have carbs, as carbs are classical and should be kept that way.
I mean look at half of the attempts to re-make classics.
Would you buy the new or old mustang?
New or Old mini?

Mabey keep carbs for special editions.
But they do make the most lovely barking noise (i can send you a recording of my ZXR if you dont believe me)

[TLDV8]

Mabey keep carbs for special editions.
But they do make the most lovely barking noise (i can send you a recording of my ZXR if you dont believe me)

Indeed,depending on the carburator.. when i went from 40 Dellorto's to 41 FCR's it was like night and day..HP and response went up,fuel consumption down...