Occupy Kiwi Biker Movement

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:laugh: na you're right, I'm sure you at-least give something back in return as her boy-toy so we couldn't class that as bludging ;)

Damn straight. :innocent:

[scumdog]

And.......Begin:girlfight::bash::ar15::ar15::whist le:

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Hmm, I see a career change for me coming up!!;):niceone:

[Big Dave]

Hmm, I see a career change for me coming up!!;):niceone:

Pensioner.

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Pensioner.

:killingme:killingme:killingme:2thumbsup

[Voltaire]

The electoral system is from the 19th century when the electorate voted in a member to represent their views.
Bring it into the 21 century , " Government X Factor"
Various challenges like running a household for a week with 80% of the money you need.
Text in your votes.

Like BD said, there is really no difference between Labour and National, when I was young and they had Unions and "us and them" people were interested, these days who actually cares......no one believes that they are going to build more houses quickly, build a world class rail network etc.....they are just a pack of lying bastards who will say anything to stay in their overpaid jobs.
Winston Peters is the plonker who sold Telecom. He's like the guy who didn't sign the Beatles.

[avgas]

Is that their policy?
Don't laugh - but I actually looked into this.
I looked at forming a party that didn't give a fuck, and cost the tax payers $0 by the fact they there was no members of the party.
Effectively all it would do is make seats empty in Parliament.

Turns out it was illegal to have a party of no members. It was also illegal to say no to an income for a party.

Next plan was to look into having a party, that has members who collect their income and then simply redistribute it out again to tax payers (sort of how Vector operates). But that whole process seems very inefficient.

[avgas]

running a household for a week with 80% of the money you need.
Lets just start with the basics.
Let Politicians retire with only a pensioner income.

[unstuck]

Don't laugh - but I actually looked into this.
I looked at forming a party that didn't give a fuck, and cost the tax payers $0 by the fact they there was no members of the party.
Effectively all it would do is make seats empty in Parliament.

Turns out it was illegal to have a party of no members. It was also illegal to say no to an income for a party.

Next plan was to look into having a party, that has members who collect their income and then simply redistribute it out again to tax payers (sort of how Vector operates). But that whole process seems very inefficient.

When I was watching the parliament channel on the telly when banksy and winny were having a go, there were only about 15 of the muppets in the whole chamber. Must be over a hundred seats in there, where are the rest of the pricks. They cant all be shagging the aide,s surely.:wacko:

[Robert Taylor]

When I was watching the parliament channel on the telly when banksy and winny were having a go, there were only about 15 of the muppets in the whole chamber. Must be over a hundred seats in there, where are the rest of the pricks. They cant all be shagging the aide,s surely.:wacko:

Eating at Bellamys at our expense, ordering vintage bottles of vino and getting fatter. Have you ever noticed that may new intakes of MPs are of ''normal'' build but they get bloated over time?

There are too many MPs and too many perks

[mashman]

Eating at Bellamys at our expense, ordering vintage bottles of vino and getting fatter. Have you ever noticed that may new intakes of MPs are of ''normal'' build but they get bloated over time?

There are too many MPs and too many perks

The quicker they eat and die off the quicker we getz to savin the money.

[unstuck]

I would happily vote, if we had polys who would work for a decent wage like most of us get. But until then, my belief is they are only in it for the money( mashy gonna love this) then we would only have people in the house that truly want to make positive change for us all.:Punk::Punk:

[mashman]

But until then, my belief is they are only in it for the money( mashy gonna love this) then we would only have people in the house that truly want to make positive change for us all.:Punk::Punk:

Surely they're in it for both :blink:.

[unstuck]

Surely they're in it for both :blink:.

If you say so.;)

[Robert Taylor]

I would happily vote, if we had polys who would work for a decent wage like most of us get. But until then, my belief is they are only in it for the money( mashy gonna love this) then we would only have people in the house that truly want to make positive change for us all.:Punk::Punk:

Its exactly the same with local body politicians. In terms of respect levels they are right down there with the most money hungry sales people and brazen speculators that we have in society. You can pick them , its all ''me , me me''

In England they have a rates freeze enacted with most councils, imagine the outcry if that was tried here. We would be told the sky was going to fall in.

[unstuck]

Its exactly the same with local body politicians. In terms of respect levels they are right down there with the most money hungry sales people and brazen speculators that we have in society. You can pick them , its all ''me , me me''

In England they have a rates freeze enacted with most councils, imagine the outcry if that was tried here. We would be told the sky was going to fall in.

Yeah, I agree. Was watching something with Tim shadbolt on telly last night, only caught the last few minutes, something to do with a boat race from Auckland to Bluff. They were talking fairly large sums of money to host the event in Bluff, and how it will be the local ratepayers who will be forking out most of the cash. Well old Timmy said that people will complain like they always do, but they will get over it, and lose interest in it eventually. I suppose he is right, there seems to be no spirit of " stand up and be heard" in this country. I felt like going and giving him a kick in the teeth myself, but I know thats not the answer, and Im fucked if I know what is.:wacko:
I would like to think there are other people out there who want to see change, but I think it has to be for something, not against anything.

[misterO]

It seems our NZ politicians embrace whatever new laws Australia proposes for itself. Why not just let Australia hammer out the rules for us and sack the redundant politicos back here? Perhaps then our esteemed fat cats would cross the ditch in seek of employment and we'd save a bundle! Win: Win

[Robert Taylor]

Yeah, I agree. Was watching something with Tim shadbolt on telly last night, only caught the last few minutes, something to do with a boat race from Auckland to Bluff. They were talking fairly large sums of money to host the event in Bluff, and how it will be the local ratepayers who will be forking out most of the cash. Well old Timmy said that people will complain like they always do, but they will get over it, and lose interest in it eventually. I suppose he is right, there seems to be no spirit of " stand up and be heard" in this country. I felt like going and giving him a kick in the teeth myself, but I know thats not the answer, and Im fucked if I know what is.:wacko:
I would like to think there are other people out there who want to see change, but I think it has to be for something, not against anything.

Yep, they get their own way almost everytime to hike up rates to fund grandiose schemes. As for politicians at the feeding trough the socialists ( who supposedly stand for fairness for everybody and equality ) are in fact the biggest hypocrites because they are just as guilty of gorging at the ratepayers / taxpayers expense.
Shadbolt should pay dearly for the arrogance of his statement, he has done some great things for Southland but nothing excuses such arrogance and a callous propensity for such tax and spend attitude. We have one here in New Plymouth also with Duynhoven, it is to be hoped that he is annihilated in the forthcoming mayoral and local body elections. They get into power and become arrogant. Many of these people have never run a business where keeping control of overheads is one of the major pre-occupations.

[mashman]

Yeah, I agree. Was watching something with Tim shadbolt on telly last night, only caught the last few minutes, something to do with a boat race from Auckland to Bluff. They were talking fairly large sums of money to host the event in Bluff, and how it will be the local ratepayers who will be forking out most of the cash. Well old Timmy said that people will complain like they always do, but they will get over it, and lose interest in it eventually. I suppose he is right, there seems to be no spirit of " stand up and be heard" in this country. I felt like going and giving him a kick in the teeth myself, but I know thats not the answer, and Im fucked if I know what is.:wacko:
I would like to think there are other people out there who want to see change, but I think it has to be for something, not against anything.

He's not telling us anything we don't already know. There are plenty of people who stand up to be heard, they just happen to do it when the perceived injustice happens to be an issue that they feel strongly about. Sure there are professional protestors, the ones who stand up and stay standing up, but they're just professional protestors and are dismissed as such. Professional protestors aren't noble and don't have people's/animals best interest at heart, they're just tree hugging hippy's that like to make noise because they're blatantly anti-establishment man :facepalm:. Occupy where just a bunch of whinging hypocrites with absolutely no rhyme or reason for their protests. Shadbolt is probably one of the few to have gone on record to state that the politicians know exactly what people are like. Stand up to be heard, then promptly sit back down again and shut the fuck up because nothing will change as they get ignored. As mentioned back in the Arab Spring days, people can revolt all they like and get some form of change, but it's never the change they want, and they turned up in the hundreds of thousand if not millions.

NOW, to the why do people sit down and shut the fuck up. It's all about the money. Isn't everything? People sit down and shut the fuck up, because they have jobs to go back to. It's all fine and well taking a day off to stand up, but it invariably comes at your cost, be it a holiday day, unpaid leave day, sick day etc... but it is known, by politicians, that because we have to go back to work to earn to eat, have electricity etc... that we'll sit back down and shut the fuck up and the issue carry's on the way it was. It's a constant. NOW to further underline the money being the issue... these new fangled laws outlaw protests that impede economic activity, so in that case, not only do you pay for your protest day, very soon you could end up jailed for it because it causes damage to the economy. In fact protesting will likely come under the guise of a terrorist act because it will be seen as an attack on the economy.

If we have to go back to work or are too afraid to stand up because our liberty is at stake, protests will become a thing of the past. At least putting myself in the shoes of a politician leads me to that conclusion. They spend 24/7, and we pay them to do this, drafting laws, creating policy, devising new ways to protect the economy etc... where those who protest need to use all of their free time and then pay for their day of protest. You want change, you're gonna have to ditch that which culls action at every turn... and it ain't the people that are the problem. If I were batting for their team, ya'll would be FUCKED!

[mashman]

It seems our NZ politicians embrace whatever new laws Australia proposes for itself. Why not just let Australia hammer out the rules for us and sack the redundant politicos back here? Perhaps then our esteemed fat cats would cross the ditch in seek of employment and we'd save a bundle! Win: Win

So we wouldn't need MP's for our regions? That and there's be even more expenses when they have to go to Oz to report in. I'm thinking more, lose lose.

[unstuck]

What you resist, persists. So I personally dont think it wise to protest anything. There has to be another way, so that is where I will focus my energy. Be the change you wish to see in the world, springs to mind, but I have no idea how to implement it in this context. Or am I just being a deluded fuckwit, again.:devil2:

[mashman]

What you resist, persists. So I personally dont think it wise to protest anything. There has to be another way, so that is where I will focus my energy. Be the change you wish to see in the world, springs to mind, but I have no idea how to implement it in this context. Or am I just being a deluded fuckwit, again.:devil2:

Resisting? Who is resisting anything? People are merely pointing out what they perceive as injustice, imho, and are being met with silence and contempt. I agree that there has to be another way, but that other way would be to do things correctly in the first place? i.e. put people before the economy. Heh, Ghandi was a smart man, was he protester :devil2:? It depends on the change you want, coz you can't make inroads to being the change you wish without knowing what direction you're heading in? If you wish to leave the financial aspect as a part of human life, people will never be the focus of society's goals and people will keep on protesting... but they protest for a reason, contrary to the puerile rhetoric that is spouted by the moronic Rand(ish) ideologues... more commonly, but not limited to, the right whinge.

[unstuck]

Was Ghandi a protester or was he non compliant? To understand what I was saying, look at it the way Mother Teresa stated it : I will never attend an anti-war rally; if you have a peace rally, invite me. There are other ways of doing things, if you are against something, you are resisting something. Maybe we should hold a rally for change, rather than protesting against the way things are.:innocent:

[scumdog]

This sorry old thread is still lumbering on?? - Sheesh!:rolleyes:

[unstuck]

This sorry old thread is still lumbering on?? - Sheesh!:rolleyes:

Go and harass some shoplifters or some old ladies who cant drive.:bleh::bleh:

[bogan]

This sorry old thread is still lumbering on?? - Sheesh!:rolleyes:

I think you'll find this thread to be neither old nor sorry :shifty:

[Robert Taylor]

What annoys me most about going to any political meeting where candidates are there to ask questions is that your question so often has to be pre-submitted. You cant have a stand up argument with a politician like the good old days. It just wont do to get them out of their comfort zone.................

[scumdog]

I think you'll find this thread to be neither old nor sorry :shifty:

Opps:pinch:

Wrong thread - same garbage!:lol:

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Opps:pinch:

Wrong thread - same garbage!:lol:

Nice drive was it?:2thumbsup

[mashman]

What annoys me most about going to any political meeting where candidates are there to ask questions is that your question so often has to be pre-submitted. You cant have a stand up argument with a politician like the good old days. It just wont do to get them out of their comfort zone.................

You don't want them to come across as not knowing what they're talking about do ya? That would make them look unprofessional and could instill a lack of confidence in the representatives of the people. That will simply not do. I fully agree with you though. They should be able to walk the talk at the drop of a hat or at least know who in their party would be the best contact to answer their questions. Memory loss and seeking advice every 5 seconds does not fill me full of confidence.

[scumdog]

Nice drive was it?:2thumbsup

Yah managed to sneak past me? - or did you not go?

[mashman]

Was Ghandi a protester or was he non compliant? To understand what I was saying, look at it the way Mother Teresa stated it : I will never attend an anti-war rally; if you have a peace rally, invite me. There are other ways of doing things, if you are against something, you are resisting something. Maybe we should hold a rally for change, rather than protesting against the way things are.:innocent:

Wasn't it a peaceful protest? but I take your point. I'm against what is because there is a better way of doing things, so I'm not resisting what is, I'm augmenting it. The resistance is coming from what is. I think the idea behind Occupy was a rally for change and that rally was resisted with extreme force... to the extent that rules and regulations were brought in to stop it from being allowed to continue. Either way though, a protest/rally is used to highlight awareness of the change that people would like to see, however without that change being represented in a recognised format, i.e. politically, it will come to nought as we have seen over the last however many decades and in however many guises. Shame it takes so much money to get off the ground.

[avgas]

day 6

Ran out of condoms so only do anal now. The rest of the hippies have started to grow weed in the park. We piss into a filtration system which gives us drinking water - but the water is still yellow. We will have our demands met, I am sure of it.

[scissorhands]

day 6

Ran out of condoms so only do anal now. The rest of the hippies have started to grow weed in the park. We piss into a filtration system which gives us drinking water - but the water is still yellow. We will have our demands met, I am sure of it.

Fucking fascist engineers, rain water is free, but we are denied this basic right to collect rain as drinking water

The grass in the city park is dying under our tents. We will pray for the lawns soul, given to free our brothers and sisters.

Tomorrow will bring more day trippers to our tent city. Hopefully some with money

[Berries]

but we are denied this basic right to collect rain as drinking water
You can get a bucket for $2 at the Wharehouse.

[unstuck]

Yah managed to sneak past me? - or did you not go?

Left earlier than planned, and returned earlier too. We were back in Gore BY 11. Saw some nice cars though.:2thumbsup

[avgas]

we are denied this basic right to collect rain as drinking water
Squeeze a cloud. You're the only one of us high enough to reach them.

[scissorhands]

Squeeze a cloud. You're the only one of us high enough to reach them.

Its always superiority put downs with you fascists init?

[unstuck]

http://thecodependencecure.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/overcoming-victim-mentality.html

:apumpin::apumpin:

[avgas]

Its always superiority put downs with you fascists init?
You tell me - as mentioned earlier - you're higher than I

[Big Dave]

http://thecodependencecure.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/overcoming-victim-mentality.html

:apumpin::apumpin:

No. We ARE all out to get you.

[Banditbandit]

No. We ARE all out to get you.

He's right .. and that scooter is never going to get you away quick enough ...

[scissorhands]

'You might want to consider going to therapy or seeing a Life Coach for awhile.'

[avgas]

This is ground control to major Tom......

[Banditbandit]

'You might want to consider going to therapy or seeing a Life Coach for awhile.'

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Given my wonderful job, the great place I live in, the two (real) motorbikes I own .. my boat .. great wife .. buggr all debt ... in fact given the state of my life I doubt I need life advice ffrom you ...

[scissorhands]

No. We ARE all out to get you.

so it seems
interesting codependent behaviours

[Smifffy]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Given my wonderful job, the great place I live in, the two (real) motorbikes I own .. my boat .. great wife .. buggr all debt ... in fact given the state of my life I doubt I need life advice ffrom you ...

Sounds like that *is* therapy to me.

[unstuck]

No. We ARE all out to get you.

Bring it on mofo.:girlfight:

[unstuck]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Given my wonderful job, the great place I live in, the two (real) motorbikes I own .. my boat .. great wife .. buggr all debt ... in fact given the state of my life I doubt I need life advice ffrom you ...

Or anyone else, it would seem.:Punk::Punk:

[Oscar]

Bring it on mofo.:girlfight:

You've never met Dave, have you?

He's short and weedy - you could take him...

[unstuck]

You've never met Dave, have you?

He's short and weedy - you could take him...

No hes not, he,s quite a big mofo, but Id still have him. I have youth on my side.:2thumbsup

[scumdog]

No hes not, he,s quite a big mofo, but Id still have him. I have youth on my side.:2thumbsup

Not much I reckon - I guess you're planning to outrun him with all this excess youth on your side eh??

[Big Dave]

Probably. The last fight I was in was at a Thin Lizzy concert.

But I'm chummy with a Scummy.

[unstuck]

Not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog thats important.:msn-wink:

My brother inlaw is 6 foot 6 and about 23/24 stone, he,s a prison officer at the milton hilton. He thought his size intimidated my 6 foot broom like appearance, boy was he wrong. He,s just lucky we were only playing.;)

Plus I can run pretty fast if I have to.:chase:

[unstuck]

But I'm chummy with a Scummy.

Thats hardly fair though,he has weapons and lots of backup.:2thumbsup

[avgas]

Day 7 - I think I have caught something down there, or perhaps it is just not clean......not sure.....smells funny though.
Turns out that water filtration system was just a pipe so for the last 2 days we have been drinking our own urine.
Forgot why we are protesting - but the weed is good.