Time for a second car

[mashman]

Yeah yeah, should be getting another bike etc... but with the way things are, the car takes precedence.

So I've been looking at this thing (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/passat/auction-620784558.htm) or this thing (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/peugeot/206/auction-621179751.htm)

Any experiences, concerns etc...

[Madness]

Doris has a 2.3 V5 MkIV Golf.

Chain driven timing = good.
Not particularly economical to run = not so good.
Squeaky, rattly, annoying sounds from deep within the dash = even worse.
Expensive diagnosis & repair of faulty o2 Sensor recently = arse.

They go alright though, even if a bit rattly in the valve-train at around 2,000rpm.

Would I buy another V5 VW? Fuck no, give me a Corolla any day.

Just saw the Peugeot. Have you driven one? I find the lines quite pleasing to the eye but they drive like a early 1990's Starlet - extremely basic.

Buy a Corolla.

[mashman]

Will go check oot Toyota right noooo. Ta.

[SVboy]

I know I will get shot down but DONT buy secondhand older higher kms euro CRAP unless you have access to a third car to drive while the second car is in the workshop yet again. Buy a corolla as the man above said.

[Madness]

I know I will get shot down but DONT buy secondhand older higher kms euro CRAP unless you have access to a third car to drive while the second car is in the workshop yet again. Buy a corolla as the man above said.

Lucky we also have a Mazda in the gargre for when the Golf packs a sad. It doesn't help pay the bills though :facepalm:

[DMNTD]

Time for a new Dealer bro...just don't do it to yourself!

[mashman]

I know I will get shot down but DONT buy secondhand older higher kms euro CRAP unless you have access to a third car to drive while the second car is in the workshop yet again. Buy a corolla as the man above said.

:rofl:... point taken.

So parameters for a "good" second-hand Corolla? Does age really matter or is it K's traveled? What's the avg K's before death (ball park, ass hat figure)?

I ended up doing a search for chain drive small cars and came up with this little beauty (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/march/auction-618417717.htm)... which ticks all of the boxes. Shame I can't find one in pink.

[Madness]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-617075528.htm

I'd buy another of these.

[mashman]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-617075528.htm

I'd buy another of these.

See, it's the high k's that outs me off these things. What's the realistic death k's for those types of car?

[Madness]

See, it's the high k's that outs me off these things. What's the realistic death k's for those types of car?

250? 300? Where's Doug?

[DMNTD]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-617075528.htm

I'd buy another of these.

A nice $1000 car

[Madness]

A nice $1000 car

So you'd give $2.50 trade-in on it then?

[mashman]

250? 300? Where's Doug?

Then what? new engine? recondition? Likely polishing something I guess.

[DMNTD]

So you'd give $2.50 trade-in on it then?

Only if it had just been filled up

[Madness]

Then what? new engine? recondition? Likely polishing something I guess.

A mate has a Corolla that was run dry of oil at about 200,000k thanks to a forecourt attendant not replacing the filler cap. Oil was put back in & the filler cap replaced & it's now at around 400,000 on the same donk.

I'm not qualified to answer your questions to the degree your questions deserve. You've stopped looking at V5 VW's so my work here is done.

Doug, stop polishing yer knob!

[mashman]

sooooooooo there's this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-620074223.htm) or the boy racer special (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-617958085.htm) (manual, I miss driving a manual), both with another decade in them (touching wood, oooo)

[Madness]

sooooooooo there's this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-620074223.htm) or the boy racer special (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-617958085.htm) (manual, I miss driving a manual), both with another decade in them (touching wood, oooo)

Get DMNTD to do the negotiating for ya and you could be onto something.

[mashman]

A mate has a Corolla that was run dry of oil at about 200,000k thanks to a forecourt attendant not replacing the filler cap. Oil was put back in & the filler cap replaced & it's now at around 400,000 on the same donk.

I'm not qualified to answer your questions to the degree your questions deserve. You've stopped looking at V5 VW's so my work here is done.

Doug, stop polishing yer knob!

heh... cheers mate. The options are what I needed. I guess it's yer donald duck as to what you get out of the lifespan of a motor... was just looking for most likely candidate to keep on truckin for 5/10 years. Cheers for the food for thought

[mashman]

Get DMNTD to do the negotiating for ya and you could be onto something.

Dunno if I'd trust that dodgy fucka... that and I've got my own uncompromising Scots negotiator here. Always raises more than a smile when she kicks off in bargaining mode.

[SPman]

Son #1 had a c.1990 Corolla with 650,000km on the clock that still ran OK.....

[mashman]

Son #1 had a c.1990 Corolla with 650,000km on the clock that still ran OK.....

So, buy a Corolla seems to be the message. Who am I to deny such wisdom. Will go check out Porsche.

[unstuck]

Corrolla or corona would be my picks, but a couple of those nissans you have posted look like they may of been looked after, so should be ok for a fair few kms yet.
Hope your not paying for it with money.:devil2::bleh:

[mashman]

Corrolla or corona would be my picks, but a couple of those nissans you have posted look like they may of been looked after, so should be ok for a fair few kms yet.
Hope your not paying for it with money.:devil2::bleh:

Fuckinell there was bound to be one of yaz... :niceone: ain't you got some vibrations you should be feelin? can you feel the ones I'm sending ya bruva?

[unstuck]

Fuckinell there was bound to be one of yaz... :niceone: ain't you got some vibrations you should be feelin? can you feel the ones I'm sending ya bruva?

Yeah, but I just thought I needed a shit.:blip:

[blackdog]

Finally, something I'm relatively qualified to comment on.

I'll PM you my home number, I still have my wholesale contacts from when I was in the trade and I can take you for a wander round a couple of warehouses in the Hutt.

Already been said but, steer clear of late model Primeras with CVTs. And ya can't go wrong with a Corolla.

Give us a bell mate.

[mashman]

Finally, something I'm relatively qualified to comment on.

I'll PM you my home number, I still have my wholesale contacts from when I was in the trade and I can take you for a wander round a couple of warehouses in the Hutt.

Already been said but, steer clear of late model Primeras with CVTs. And ya can't go wrong with a Corolla.

Give us a bell mate.

Cheers big fulla... :niceone:

[Daffyd]

I had a 306 1.9 td Pug with nearly 400k on it. Never missed a beat.
My brother has had Pugs exclusively over the last 45 years. He will never have anything else.

[Gremlin]

I'd be staying the hell away from Euro stuff. New or old, I've heard some shocking stories, expensive repairs etc.

Avoid CVT gearboxes, GDI motors from Mitsubishi etc.

I'd be staying with Honda, Nissan, Toyota and the like. Always important how they have been looked after, but they don't tend to be thrashed like bikes.

[mashman]

I'll be looking to get a manual which should mean I won't have to run the gauntlet of CVT... although I have it on dodgy authority, :D, that VVTi's aren't CVT... that and I miss driving a manual.

[awa355]

Our VW Polo, $2000 for a new computer chip, always something electrical not working. Nice to drive tho, if it had a 5spd it would've been fun
to belt around the back roads.

Stick with a Jappa.

[mashman]

Yeah, but I just thought I needed a shit.:blip:

heh... you'll know it's over when you feel like you've got the runs :eek5:

[mashman]

Our VW Polo, $2000 for a new computer chip, always something electrical not working. Nice to drive tho, if it had a 5spd it would've been fun
to belt around the back roads.

Stick with a Jappa.

:shit: 2k for a computer chip :shit:

[avgas]

Audi/VW sump - $500 (cost). I have the worlds most expensive ash tray in my garage thanks to a A4 I used to have. I don't think I would ever buy VW or Audi again. If your going to buy from that company, go the whole hog and buy a Lamborghini or Porsche. At least then when you get parts shipped to NZ won't feel ripped off. If you do get sucked in check out blauparts.com for parts. A gasket set in NZ will cost you a clean $500 otherwise. And you will need new gaskets every 100,000km.

As for a Primera. Only useful bit of advice a used car sales man gave me was. "You know the difference between a skyline and a primera? Not the obvious technical one, the actual difference - porn. You buy a primera if you like missionary with the same woman for the rest of your life.........buy a skyline if you want some pleasant surprises".

He was right. I drove both. Bought the skyline (stock, family edition) and never regretted that decision.
Stay away from Hyundai also - everything seems to be fucked up in them. Sure it works - but its fucked up. You will always find something to complain about in Hyundai.

Toyotas are good. But costly.

Don't buy that Nissan March, when you sit in one you will understand. Feels like your driving a disappointing version of George Jetsons car. Except it doesn't fly, go fast or open the roof. Which just leaves craps seats, bubble design everywhere and no room for anything.

[Madness]

As for a Primera. Only useful bit of advice a used car sales man gave me was. "You know the difference between a skyline and a primera? Not the obvious technical one, the actual difference - porn. You buy a primera if you like missionary with the same woman for the rest of your life.........buy a skyline if you want some pleasant surprises".

So if he's buying the second car for Her Indoors the Primera might be the go then?

[mashman]

As for a Primera. Only useful bit of advice a used car sales man gave me was. "You know the difference between a skyline and a primera? Not the obvious technical one, the actual difference - porn. You buy a primera if you like missionary with the same woman for the rest of your life.........buy a skyline if you want some pleasant surprises".

I'm married and don't have sex... so will likely stick with the bog standard I'mgoing to look like even more of a dick, yes it's possible, wee car with fuel economy and not room to get laid in. Tis gonna be the runaround car. Missus to the station in the mornings, me to the movies up the coast the odd evening, nothing major.

[Moi]

I'm married and don't have sex... so will likely stick with the bog standard I'm going to look like even more of a dick, yes it's possible, wee car with fuel economy and not room to get laid in. Tis gonna be the runaround car. Missus to the station in the mornings, me to the movies up the coast the odd evening, nothing major.

Sounds like an ad for Corolla... :lol:

You could have this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/sera/auction-621677254.htm) and look a total dick...

Some of the mid 90s Corolla hatchbacks had a rear seat that folded down like a station wagon so the squab acted as a barrier and the backrest became part of the load carrying area... really useful and much better than the usual just fold down the backrest.

[mashman]

Sounds like an ad for Corolla... :lol:

You could have this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/sera/auction-621677254.htm) and look a total dick...

Some of the mid 90s Corolla hatchbacks had a rear seat that folded down like a station wagon so the squab acted as a barrier and the backrest became part of the load carrying area... really useful and much better than the usual just fold down the backrest.

Oh dear. I want.

[blackdog]

Oh dear. I want.

Not at 200,000km you don't.

They have one at Southwards Museum for a reason.

[blackdog]

I failed to mention if looking at Toyotas, DO NOT even consider a Cavalier. They are a rebadged GM, and from memory even a screen for them is about $1800.

Now, I know this ain't that sexy but that's what you've got an Aprilia for so I reckon something like this would be the go.

Chain drive cams, and probably 50mpg. Horses for courses.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/vitz/auction-619568016.htm

[mashman]

Not at 200,000km you don't.

They have one at Southwards Museum for a reason.

But I want. Although, how many k's on the one in the museum :shifty:

[BMWST?]

i reckon nissans are just as good as toyotas but you dont pay the premium.For what you want a primera is good but a sentra (or wingroad?) better.The only thing i would say about the primera is the sr20 is a nice engine but makes its power a little higher up the rev range than a runabout requires(that was the case in my jelly mould bluebird anyway)

[mashman]

I failed to mention if looking at Toyotas, DO NOT even consider a Cavalier. They are a rebadged GM, and from memory even a screen for them is about $1800.

Now, I know this ain't that sexy but that's what you've got an Aprilia for so I reckon something like this would be the go.

Chain drive cams, and probably 50mpg. Horses for courses.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/vitz/auction-619568016.htm

I need 4 doors. It would be carnage with the girls jamming each other between the seat and frame for shits n giggles... and yes, they would figure out that it was funny after I do it to K.

[ducatilover]

Contrary to popular belief, Corollas are not all reliable.
If you buy a well cared for, with history, late 90's model preferably with the 4AFE motor, it'll last forever. But the car itself will be shit, dull, not horribly economical and drive about as well as a non lubed penis in your rear end.
But, the simpler Corollas are dependable, mainly the E110 models.
The E120 onwards with the 2ZZ and 3ZZ are dependable, IF, you srvice them on time, every time and with the correct oils, otherwise it'll eat all the oil and shit itself.

I'd go with:

Mazda 626, '98 onwards, preferably a 2.0 manual.
Biggest common problem is a rough idle, which is an intake mani gasket and will take a garage less than 2 hours to do and the gasket itself is a $7 part. Generally solid and dependable, will return avg milage of around 7l/100km, and will manage 6l/100 on the open road.
300,000km is no big deal on one if treated well.
Very overlooked cars, would be my first pick.

P11 Primera, again, preferably in 2.0 manual
Must be well serviced, check under the oil cap, if it looks a little sludgy under there, run the fuck away as SR20s will block the oil feeds in the heads, get noisy and shit themselves.
They commonly have issues with cam chain tensioners, which only causes a cold start up rattle and is nothing really to be concerned about.
Another issue to worry about is if the starter motor fucks out, it's a prick of a job to do.
Don't buy a 4wd one, they're just hungry and dull.
The GX models are also dull and the suspension on them is...not superb, they don't ride that well and handle like dicks in jars, higher spec models are much nicer.
Thrashed ones will lunch the syncro hubs and the hub springs/pawls for the 3rd/4th gears, and may be hard to get in gear and pop out of gear, but only mega thrashed boyracer ones do this.
These will do silly high kms if treated well too

Honda Accords, more or less any manual Accord will see you well.
Most NZ new ones run F22 and F20 motors, both of which are solid. JDM models can be had with H22A motors, which range from 170-220hp, the latter figure being the Si-R models and they're choice cars
Honda Torneo, same story. Buy a manual and you'll love it. By far the best to drive out of the lot I've mentioned.

General overview of the Euro cars of the lower end price ranges:
VW Polo/Golfs/Passat and Audi A3/4, ABS module failures, looking at $1k at a min from most garages
SRS lights, usually worn out wires in two doors under the seats from being folded.
Not exactly anything special to drive to justify themselves either.
Mondeos, can be good buying, but many need a clutch job soon which is expensive as it involves a subframe drop to get the gearbox down. They also drop butterflies out the intake manifold and that's not terribly fun.
Pugs: I'd own a 406 1.9tdi or 2.0Hdi myself, good cars if you take care of em, and the petrol models aren't tooo shit... 306s are rattling flimsy cunts, but fun to drive. They all require frequent cambelts


Don't be put off by having a car with a cambelt, that generally means your car has had more than 1 water pump in its lifetime...

[ducatilover]

Chain drive cams, and probably 50mpg. Horses for courses.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/vitz/auction-619568016.htm

Uncomfy, cramped, not as economical on the open road as you'd expect and have a habit of stretching cam chains
They're also noisy and thrashy on the road.

[mashman]

i reckon nissans are just as good as toyotas but you dont pay the premium.For what you want a primera is good but a sentra (or wingroad?) better.The only thing i would say about the primera is the sr20 is a nice engine but makes its power a little higher up the rev range than a runabout requires(that was the case in my jelly mould bluebird anyway)

Power is of no importance. Tis just the runaround. Will check out the sentra. Ta.

Edity: ideally something from this millennium would be good too... which kinda rules out the sentra.

[unstuck]

Perfect for city commuting. Just promise to let me drive it occasionally.:headbang::headbang:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/specialist-cars/competition-cars/auction-617253350.htm

[blackdog]

Sorry DL, I've never heard of a VVT-i cam chain stretching in a properly maintained Toyota and that's after many years working in a franchise dealership.

They come in 4 doors too in case you weren't that well informed.

Fucking everyone's going to have an opinion of course.

Actually now that I come to think of it, since Mashy already has a Premacy maybe a Demio (Mazda 2) would be a nice accompaniment to the stable. I look forward to y'all telling us what's wrong with them aswell.

If GM hadn't sold hers dammit, would've been the nuts.

Queue the haters.

[mashman]

Uncomfy, cramped, not as economical on the open road as you'd expect and have a habit of stretching cam chains
They're also noisy and thrashy on the road.

What about the Nissan March? Also, what sort of costs to get it in pink?

[mashman]

Perfect for city commuting. Just promise to let me drive it occasionally.:headbang::headbang:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/specialist-cars/competition-cars/auction-617253350.htm

I don't see Mrs M allowing that in to the family. We'd have to move to Gore to be able to afford such a thing.

[blackdog]

...

You are usually pretty close to the button mate. That post was shooting rubber bands at the stars.

[unstuck]

I don't see Mrs M allowing that in to the family. We'd have to move to Gore to be able to afford such a thing.

Fuck that.:crazy::chase:

[blackdog]

What about the Nissan March? Also, what sort of costs to get it in pink?

Dude, the pink is the reason you need a second car.

[mashman]

Actually now that I come to think of it, since Mashy already has a Premacy maybe a Demio (Mazda 2) would be a nice accompaniment to the stable. I look forward to y'all telling us what's wrong with them aswell.


With a lovely message etched into the dirt on the rear windscreen. Funny, was just looking at the Demio and thinking about asking the same question.

[mashman]

Dude, the pink is the reason you need a second car.

heh heh... but I gota me lotz of wimminz to trade for food/water etc... when the biggy happens.

[Madness]

Also, what sort of costs to get it in pink?

http://www.stokesvalleycollision.co.nz/#

FFS, don't tell 'em I sent ya!

[blackdog]

With a lovely message etched into the dirt on the rear windscreen. Funny, was just looking at the Demio and thinking about asking the same question.

They are a great wee runabout mate. I'm gonna have a ring around some contacts tomorrow and see what options are available atm. Do me a favour and don't jump at the first to show you her skirt, it pays to see what other models come through over a short period of time.

[mashman]

They are a great wee runabout mate. I'm gonna have a ring around some contacts tomorrow and see what options are available atm. Do me a favour and don't jump at the first to show you her skirt, it pays to see what other models come through over a short period of time.

No worrys with the jumping on in there as I may try to kill 2 stoners with one bird when I come to buy.

Edity: bit short. my apologies, as there's room inspections taking place. I'd be interested to know what's available, but likely I'll need to get something sorted next weekend, weekend after at the latest. Beers shall be provided :D

[Akzle]

uncle down manuwatu ways has a humber he might sell ya. Probably cost a few pounds though. Iykwim.

[Madness]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auction-608662776.htm

:drool:

[mashman]

uncle down manuwatu ways has a humber he might sell ya. Probably cost a few pounds though. Iykwim.

not a clue what you're talking about.

[mashman]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auction-608662776.htm

:drool:

Stop it! WTF is a cassette.

[Akzle]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auction-608662776.htm

:drool:

what a fucking asshole. He has no right to sell his sons car. Especially that one.
even though its a f*rd.
I hope the cunt has his nipples ripped off by wolves.

[Madness]

Stop it! WTF is a cassette.

Who cares? I'm thinking of trading the Missus for it. It's all your fault too, ya bastard.


I hope the cunt has his nipples ripped off by wolves.

Me too. Then maybe I could get in whilst he's on the Morph & score it cheeeep.

[blackdog]

No worrys with the jumping on in there as I may try to kill 2 stoners with one bird when I come to buy.

Edity: bit short. my apologies, as there's room inspections taking place. I'd be interested to know what's available, but likely I'll need to get something sorted next weekend, weekend after at the latest. Beers shall be provided :D

Swap the beers for cheeseburgers, and I will have ya sorted by then.

[mashman]

Swap the beers for cheeseburgers, and I will have ya sorted by then.

Deal.........

[Akzle]

not buying the f*rd then. Sadface.

[onearmedbandit]

I've been selling cars for over 12yrs, sold tens of millions of dollars of cars in my time. Now consulting to a new car yard and watching them go from strength to strength. But advise about which car to buy? I'll leave that to the experts...

[mashman]

I've been selling cars for over 12yrs, sold tens of millions of dollars of cars in my time. Now consulting to a new car yard and watching them go from strength to strength. But advise about which car to buy? I'll leave that to the experts...

:corn: ploos chars

[ducatilover]

Sorry DL, I've never heard of a VVT-i cam chain stretching in a properly maintained Toyota and that's after many years working in a franchise dealership. done three myself and know of a few more. Not as bad as the later Alloytec dunnydores, but still a big potential issue with 'em.



Actually now that I come to think of it, since Mashy already has a Premacy maybe a Demio (Mazda 2) would be a nice accompaniment to the stable. I look forward to y'all telling us what's wrong with them aswell.

I like them, good little cars.
I was just talking about much cheaper shitters. :bleh:


What about the Nissan March? Also, what sort of costs to get it in pink? Not really bad cars. Pink? just rub yer gash over it mate!


You are usually pretty close to the button mate. That post was shooting rubber bands at the stars.
I make it up as I go along

And fuck, them rubber bands go far.
What was wrong with the advice I gave?

[mossy1200]

You shoulda bought the ducati 900 with 4500km for 6k.

Second car???? What a arsholm.

[mashman]

You shoulda bought the ducati 900 with 4500km for 6k.

Second car???? What a arsholm.

A Ducati. WTF would I want one of them things for. I have a by far superior tali shitter ;)

Kids come first apparently.

[mossy1200]

A Ducati. WTF would I want one of them things for. I have a by far superior tali shitter ;)

Kids come first apparently.

Fornicator

[mashman]

Fornicator

:shit:... shhhhhh, the missus might here.

[avgas]

So if he's buying the second car for Her Indoors the Primera might be the go then?
Definitely. I have met the most boring people who drive primera's.

Mashy you heard what I said about the March.......but if you don't believe me sit in one. It will remind you why you hate cute things. I drove one for a mate once - when I got out of the thing I just wanted to stab a kitten or punch an iphone or something.

Also contrary to belief - avoid newish euro fords also. Mondeos will give you aids or herpes (or will at least feel like that when you drive it). Focus will leave you wondering why the fuck you bought such a shit car and fiesta looks good - but drives like Miss Daisy was an epileptic.

[mossy1200]

My work car is a Toyota Fielder. 35litre tank that lasts a while. Nice to drive.
Might be hard to find one cheap though.
I think if I was replacing my van idd own one or it would be on the top 5 list for a everyday car anyway.

[mashman]

Mashy you heard what I said about the March.......but if you don't believe me sit in one. It will remind you why you hate cute things. I drove one for a mate once - when I got out of the thing I just wanted to stab a kitten or punch an iphone or something.


:killingme... I used to drive a Vauxhaul Nova, no power steering, zero front end traction in the rain (cool in ways) and the heating didn't work. No, it's not the same thing as a Barina, coz it's a UK Vauxhaul. Anyhoo, will go sit in one at some point during the week and will think of you ;).

[unstuck]

uncle down manuwatu ways has a humber he might sell ya. Probably cost a few pounds though. Iykwim.

If it,s super snipe, im in.:2thumbsup


Leaf ok?:devil2:

[Akzle]

If it,s super snipe, im in.:2thumbsup


Leaf ok?:devil2:

might be. And absolutely not. His weed would choke snoop dogg, youd have to bring some fucking professional shit.

[unstuck]

might be. And absolutely not. His weed would choke snoop dogg, youd have to bring some fucking professional shit.

Well in that case, I will have to call into the local nick and see if they have smoked all mine yet.........That was the shit.:yes: