111 Swines - Useless Pigs

[justsomeguy]

House got burgled today.

REALLY BADLY.

A-holes only took a few easily replaceable things but EVERY draw, cupboard, shelf, storage place has been completely overturned and the house looks like a bomb has gone off.

My 15 year old twin sisters were the first to arrive home back from school at 3:30 and they looked around and called dad immediately - he said I'm on my way call 111 and get some help - don't want two 15 year old girls alone at home in such conditions as this is the 1st time something even remotely like this has happened......

DAMN 111 OPERATOR CALLED VERONICA answers, quizzes them about what happened and then tells one of my sisters to stay on the phone and get the other sister to go out and look for any suspicious person and follow them to see what they are doing??? Never says that any cops are on there way - just continues to give them instructions....what is this nancy drew??

As usual no sign of any of the fucken pigs probably too busy to come to check on 2 rather worried 15 year olds alone in a ransacked, upside down house......

Luckily my dad managed to come home in time. Then got that FUCKEN BITCH VERONICA back on the phone and gave her a piece of his mind.... being from southern africa he knows what happens when people try approaching a burglar if there are any around - he's seen slit throats/ sedated/beaten/shot guard dogs and .... and this is supposed to be a professional bloody emergency service person.......

Jesus effing Christ- can't believe this level of crime in our area...this ain't no smash and grab - they must have taken at least 15 minutes to make the mess they have done..

SOMEONE SHOULD FIND THOSE "TO CATCH A THEIF" PROGRAM F*CKERS AND BASH THEM FOR EDUCATING OTHERS ON HOW TO COMMIT BURGLARIES.

No wonder the police keep losing respect here.....

[onearmedbandit]

Fuck that sucks mate. At least everyone is safe, and the stolen goods can be replaced. Maybe your sister should have said 'yeah I can see him, looks like he's got a gun - - oh I think he's seen me...' Might speed up response times.

[puts on flak jacket as no doubt someone will say that's a stupid thing to do, wasting police resources etc. Maybe so. But what say the burglar was outside or maybe in another room, would you want your 15yr old daughters/sisters alone in that situation?]

[N4CR]

Fuck man sounds like you got a bit of a shitty night... condolences to you and the family.. sucks when some creep(s) have been through your stuff.

The times we got burgled back in west auckland we learned that if you say 'i think they have weapons/I think I can see weapons' if you catch a glimpse of them the cops are there in a couple of minutes.

Use that to your advantage so they drop the radars and come to proper crime.

[MadDuck]

As usual no sign of any of the fucken pigs probably too busy to come to check on 2 rather worried 15 year olds alone in a ransacked, upside down house......

No wonder the police keep losing respect here.....

Maybe they busy investigating why some poor fella died when a brick hurled threw his car window and smashed him in the head driving along the motorway. Maybe they busy investigating a home abuse...maybe they pulling up some drunk driver. Who knows but maybe its time to vote! No one died at your burglary.

Live in Auckland ......but dont call them names JSG you have no idea. I for one will never lose respect.

[poorbastard]

That sux man. Hope they catch the bastard. At least what they took can be replaced.

Should never have told your sis to follow the guy if she sees him.

[justsomeguy]

Maybe they busy investigating why some poor fella died when a brick hurled threw his car window and smashed him in the head driving along the motorway. Maybe they busy investigating a home abuse...maybe they pulling up some drunk driver. Who knows but maybe its time to vote! No one died at your burglary.

Live in Auckland ......but dont call them names JSG you have no idea. I for one will never lose respect.

Home abuse is understandable..... the brick is a past event and should be left to the detective/investigators part of the police force.

Responding to a distress call from two shaky 15 year old girls (with actually not a lot of real world incident experience) would I thought be a high priority jobs for the cops who patrol our neighbourhood -and yes I've seen the cars driving around the place. Hidden behind areas which are common speed traps.

But hey what do I know right ??

- and as far as respect goes - we all know what I'm talking about...... the fact that the cops have reached a stage where they have to pick which crimes to respond to.... the complete lack of faith the public has about their response times.....the fact that they are facing such a crisis with staff numbers......

These things don't happen overnight you know :no:

[justsomeguy]

I think our current police force - the bloody suits and upstairs fuckers should be :bash:

I have the greatest respect for all the foot soldiers and the people out on the street - in this harsh world the police, firemen and ambos are the closest things to guardian angels that we have in times of crisis.

However the scoundrels in high places have really screwed things up...

Can the cops here honestly tell me that things are better now for them than in the past?? I'm not talking about them doing thier daily duties - I'm talking about their political/official/bureacratic pressures and general conditions.

[MadDuck]

Responding to a distress call from two shaky 15 year old girls (with actually not a lot of real world incident experience) would I thought be a high priority jobs for the cops who patrol our neighbourhood -and yes I've seen the cars driving around the place. Hidden behind areas which are common speed traps.


Like they have radars that tell them the 15 year olds have no life experience! Most 15 year olds I know are pretty clued up about life..I am not dissing your situation just not happy about cop bashing

[NhuanH]

dude, /me serious for a moment (yes, rare i know).

Stink about your property and rights being violated. Angry you is. Understand. But perhaps the THIN blue line should not be your target? You alluded to "scoundrels" - are they not the dirtbag crims in this case and most cases involving crime??

Soz, gotta agree with the Duck of Madness on this one.

And hey, at least they left yer PC huh?

[justsomeguy]

dude, /me serious for a moment (yes, rare i know).

Stink about your property and rights being violated. Angry you is. Understand. But perhaps the THIN blue line should not be your target? You alluded to "scoundrels" - are they not the dirtbag crims in this case and most cases involving crime??

Soz, gotta agree with the Duck of Madness on this one.

And hey, at least they left yer PC huh?

Not too pissed about the burglary itself, shit happens - life goes on, that's what insurance is for and no one was hurt that's important.

What exactly does the Thin blue line mean?? I'm pissed of at the current state of affairs and feel the guys upstairs are to blame. That 111 operator was so stupid giving out that advice, someone that ignorant should not have such a important job. The NZ police force was very highly reputed before and world famous for being able to do their job without firearms, now days we keep hearing all this crap... You saying there is all this smoke but no fire underneath??

Burglaries can potentially be very dangerous. One of my dads friends wife had her throat slit in Zimbabwe - this was back in the early 80's when the place was posh and rich and this was in a gated community. We had professionaly trained guard dogs (not household pets) who were seriously attacked by thieves - mate that advice given by that 111 operator was pure bull kaka. In this age of P addicts it's actually......... ahh damn it what can I say that hasn't been said before......

Nevermind, we're all good and that's the main thing. Now got to go clear my bed so I can sleep. Thanks for the words of support - all of you make sure you have good safety at your homes.

[justsomeguy]

Like they have radars that tell them the 15 year olds have no life experience! Most 15 year olds I know are pretty clued up about life..I am not dissing your situation just not happy about cop bashing

Right - take your blinkers off and read my post just before your post.

You are being incredibly naive here in my personal opinion.

Anyway - got to be up in 6 hours for work - take it easy and don't stress out too much, there's more to life than this.

[MadDuck]

Right - take your blinkers off and read my post just before your post.

You are being incredibly naive here in my personal opinion.

Anyway - got to be up in 6 hours for work - take it easy and don't stress out too much, there's more to life than this.

Oh yes I am so Naive..get a friggen life. Blinkers one day we may sit down and have a chat about life JSG you might just learn summit. I was bought up in suff auckland so I know it. Why I left it. But your thread was about dissing cops and that dont go well with me. See ya in 6 hours boyo

[T.I.E]

JSG totally understand man your pissed. hell guys i would be too. if they were my sisters i would be spitting tacks big time.

hate to say it though. don't take it the wrong way but this isn't south africa.
although we still have the humans here that are more than capable of doing the damage.

man it aint that safe here to have 15 year old girls home alone. dude what's happening. you guys are really trusting.

and that buglary tv show is showing people how vulnerable they are. not to show how to break into houses. they allready knew how to do that to start with. but how to secure your home is better.

but overall i would be pissed at the police too for not coming. too me that is still their job. the only problem is when would they come? and how do we speed it up.

[soundbeltfarm]

feel for you mate.
last week a shop here in town was burgled at 2 am and the owner came and rung 111 they told them to ring the local police in the morning.
the owner was a female and wanted to go and check the damage the operater told her that the oofenders are probably gone.
anyway the owner called the police station in hawera direct which is manned 24/7
2 cops were out there pronto.
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i feel for everyone you for your house being hit,
the 111 operators as they are told what to do, and the police also for their numbers are declining but their workload increases.
most of the cops i've meet are good people always going to have a few tossers but thats like any job.

its a bummer mate but hey no one was injured,

[ajturbo]

hey JSG..

bummer about the break in... i would be spewing also about the advice....give ya sisters a big hug!!!! the will need it..(wishing i was 25 years young.. i could be doing the hugging:devil2: )

SM has a good point about you joining the cops.... not sure if i wold be up to it.. but they sure like to suck up lots of gas patroling the highways for speedsters..
i have a theroy ...if you read their propagander, they really don't need to crusie the highways... just wait untill you go over 100ks and pick up the mess... as we all know that once you pass 100ks you MUST crash:motu: there buy they would only have to go STRAIGHT to the crash site once..... save heaps of gas....





buy the way, not feeling too good ... bit of a head cold .. brain not working more than usall:no:

[SARGE]

Fuck that sucks mate. At least everyone is safe, and the stolen goods can be replaced. Maybe your sister should have said 'yeah I can see him, looks like he's got a gun - - oh I think he's seen me...' Might speed up response times.



i got hit a year ago.. bastards took thier tme too.. took the rugs off the floor.. cops called up a week later to see if i wanted to report a crime..

next time ..SHIT HE's STILL IN THE HOUSE.. send an ambulance..

i pity the fucktards that i catch in my house ..ever see Sin City yet? ( must see.. highly recommend!!)

[Fart]

JSG sorry to about your house being burgled.

Cops here are too busy with handing out tickets to lane splitters and speeders going just over 10km above the speed limit. The senoir cops are all tide up in rape allegations of their own. The 111 emergency call centre is still busy wondering why the public has lost confidence in them. The minister of police is busy attending speech therapy and wonders why he is still a minister. The police commissioner is busy covering his behind and finger pointing at the police budget.

Maybe time we all arm ourselves and dish out abit of public justice to these scumbags.

[The Stranger]

I doubt that would help.

My mother's house on Te Atatu Rd was being shot at by some drunken neighbours in the middle of the day so she rings the cops tells them what is going on that she has teh grand children in the house etc.

They tell her to come in and lay a complaint at the HSN police station cause they wont send out the armed offenders squad like she requested. So she does this, driving through the line of fire, buggered if would have.
They then send a patrol car to investigate.
The 2 cops whom turn up are both hospitalised and one lost an eye.

But as you can now imagine the response by the police was now swift.

I don't think they like sending these guys to dangerous situations.
A mate out a Kumeu his son wandering around with an air rifle on his 10 acre plot and they got the works, chopper in the air, flack jackets, belaclavas the whole treatment, but you see they were quite safe there.

[Paul in NZ]

Sorry to hear about that burglery mate... It's a bloody horrible crime and in my opinion is treated far too lightly...

Hope the girls are OK dealing with it - I know it can be a shocker..

Cheers

[Lou Girardin]

Welcome to our brave new world.
A police force that can't attend to burglarys, but has the resources to issue 300,000 traffic tickets per year.
PS They can also afford $400,000 per year for a defective to run the show.

[scumdog]

Welcome to our brave new world.
A police force that can't attend to burglarys, but has the resources to issue 300,000 traffic tickets per year.
PS They can also afford $400,000 per year for a defective to run the show.

Ah well, such is life!
I suppose one COULD move to a marvelous country somewhere that has none of THESE problems - and no other problems either?? :whistle:

Me? I'm sick of the public: assaults, thefts, run-away juveniles, wandering stock,drunk drivers, bail-checks on drug suppliers, intentional damage - hell they were causing so much work I never had time to dish out tickets, bastards!! :oi-grr:

Still on a positive spin I'm sure SOMEBODY was chuffed that they could ride/drive as they wanted without a ticket - but it just makes it a bit harder to come up with the $400,000 that Lou mentioned. :msn-wink:

[ManDownUnder]

A police force that can't attend to burglarys, but has the resources to issue 300,000 traffic tickets per year.


To me that's the point... we don't have the resources. Greg O'Connor confirms it every time he speaks in public. More police, more police more police.

Combine that with the contracted number of road hours they need to provide to Transit and you can see why the crimes get broken into the "Imediate - guy still here, bust them/life threateneing" and the "we'll get around to it as soon as we get some cars back from patrolling the Motorways"

It's not right - it's not even close to it. I think we (as citizens) need more powers to apprehend and hold - and we also need to be accountable for the mis/use of them - as the Police are.

JSG. What happens sucks mate, and I'm in no position to know what did or didn't happen. But as someone else has already said - look after your sisters, give them a hug, and let them know THEY come first - above anything else. If they didn't feel safe they were always able to go to a neighbour or friend's house. Secure the house as best they can, but make themselves feel safe.

In calling 111 you're asking for help. If you don't get the help needed, you need to provide it for yourself. As you rightly infer, safety is the #1 issue here, followed by possessions.

It's sad we don;t have enough men and women in blue waiting to bust these little critters. But it's the system, not the staff that are at fault. As SpeedMedic said, there are strict procedures in place that must be followed. And if they were not followed, or were not adequate for the situation - please push the issue. The tapes of the incident will reveal the facts.

You'll be doing all of us a favour.

Good luck chap.
MDU

[Beemer]

Your sisters should have rung the vice squad and mentioned that they were 15 year-old twins - there would have been a porn viewing squad there in minutes!

Seriously though, you can't blame the cops for your place being done over. The likelihood of the offenders being caught for property crimes is pretty slim and even if there were finger prints left, it's likely the offenders wouldn't be in the system.

Even if they logged the job, your burglary would probably be number 734 in the book so it wouldn't necessarily be attended to that day. Unfortunately, like hospitals, police have to prioritise and burglaries aren't exactly viewed as top priority. Next time tell them to say the offenders were doing burnouts and accelerating needlessly and a cop would be there within minutes!

[Ixion]

Your sisters should have rung the vice squad and mentioned that they were 15 year-old twins - there would have been a porn viewing squad there in minutes!

Seriously though, you can't blame the cops for your place being done over. The likelihood of the offenders being caught for property crimes is pretty slim and even if there were finger prints left, it's likely the offenders wouldn't be in the system.

Even if they logged the job, your burglary would probably be number 734 in the book so it wouldn't necessarily be attended to that day. Unfortunately, like hospitals, police have to prioritise and burglaries aren't exactly viewed as top priority. Next time tell them to say the offenders were doing burnouts and accelerating needlessly and a cop would be there within minutes!

I think the OP's primary concern was that the 111 operator told a 15 year old girl to try to maintain contact with any intruder. Not a wise thing for a 15 year old girl to do, and a foolish thing for the operator to suggest.

I am always puzzled by the fact that the police in one breath tell us that almost all serious offenders start out as burglars (and use that to justify maintaining a DNA database of suspects); and in the next breath tell us that burglary has no priority, is "only a property crime" and won't receive any attention.

If it be true that most serious offenders start out as burglars, surely concentrating on catching burglars would be an effective way to preempt them turning into serious offenders .

[scumdog]

If it be true that most serious offenders start out as burglars, surely concentrating on catching burglars would be an effective way to preempt them turning into serious offenders .

We try to nail them when they are at the shoplifting/milk money theft/ taking skateboard stage but 'those more wise then I' don't see the stepping-stones to serious crime so they're not 'nailed' (or rather we are not allowed to) hard enough at the start.

Plus it's more awkward to get DNA/fingerprint records from them at that stage.

And now 'they' want to ban smacking!! :angry2:

Well I hope 'they' are prepard to look after the aftermath of lax discipline, no consequence, no responsibility upbringing of these kids.

No wait, argh! THAT is how 'they' themselves operate!!! :wacko: :crazy: :(

[Lou Girardin]

Anyone see Top Gear on Sunday? They gave an award to the Chief Constable of North Wales for his fanatical war on motorists, while his forces clearance rate for burglarys was the lowest in the UK.
Sound familiar?
Winnie does say that he will separate traffic and police duties if he is in coalition, then you may get your burglary attended to.

[ManDownUnder]

Anyone see Top Gear on Sunday? They gave an award to the Chief Constable of North Wales for his fanatical war on motorists, while his forces clearance rate for burglarys was the lowest in the UK.
Sound familiar?
Winnie does say that he will separate traffic and police duties if he is in coalition, then you may get your burglary attended to.

cool - SING ALONG!

Winnie the pooh, Winnie the pooh,
Funny little tubby all stuffed with fluff....

Actually - yes - I saw that (Top Gear) and thought it was funny when compared to our very own Transport Saftey Minimister's recent comments about speeding while passing cars...

[WINJA]

JSG , YOU ARE LUCKY , CHEER UP AND BE HAPPY THAT YOUR FAMILY IS OK ,REMEMBER WHAT I SAID ABOUT WRITING OFF THAT NEW SUPER BIKE , I WAS SMILING CAUSE POSESIONS ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO LIFE AND PEOPLE , YOUR SISTERS COULD HAVE INTERUPTED THOSE THIEVING CUNTS AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A REAL TRAGEDY IF THEY WERE HURT .
I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE POLICE AND 111 SYSTEM .

[spudchucka]

the brick is a past event and should be left to the detective/investigators part of the police force.Its a homicide and as such they will fling whatever resources they can at it to have any chance of identifying an offender. As it happens they have now located the 14 year old offender.


But hey what do I know right ??Not wanting to disrespect you but what you said is quite true and is true of most who openly critiscise the police.


- and as far as respect goes - we all know what I'm talking about...... the fact that the cops have reached a stage where they have to pick which crimes to respond to....Until the day comes where we all have our own personally issued police officer to follow us around all day and keep us safe cops will have to prioritise jobs. Burglary, sadly, is a volume crime and unless the offenders are present at the time they will naturally be accorded a lower priority.

And before Lou or anybody else jumps up and down about traffic policing, just remember that you are about ten times more likely to be killed on the roads than you are likely to be killed by a criminal offender.

As for the situation that prompted you to call the police swines and useless pigs, I would suggest you make a complaint and request a copy of the Comms recordings so that you can hear for yourself what was said by the call taker you were so quick to abuse. If the situation was as you described it then go ahead, complain to all and sundry. Equally, if you find that the situation was actually slightly different to what was described I'm sure you will quickly get Veronica on the line to apologise to her and that you will publicly announce that apology on the forum of your choice.

[justsomeguy]

ps.. Please dont call my family members and close friends swine or useless pigs. They are all doing there job and are under direction from above.

Yeah - Sorry Glen and all others concerned just blowing off steam.

As for me joining the police, sorry mate wrong personality type.

[justsomeguy]

JSG , YOU ARE LUCKY , CHEER UP AND BE HAPPY THAT YOUR FAMILY IS OK ,REMEMBER WHAT I SAID ABOUT WRITING OFF THAT NEW SUPER BIKE , I WAS SMILING CAUSE POSESIONS ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO LIFE AND PEOPLE , YOUR SISTERS COULD HAVE INTERUPTED THOSE THIEVING CUNTS AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A REAL TRAGEDY IF THEY WERE HURT .
I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE POLICE AND 111 SYSTEM .

Cheers old fella.

What you said makes complete sense.:clap:

I still "hate" you by the way :motu: :devil2:

Hope the roof painting is going ok -:wait:

[justsomeguy]

As for the situation that prompted you to call the police swines and useless pigs, I would suggest you make a complaint and request a copy of the Comms recordings so that you can hear for yourself what was said by the call taker you were so quick to abuse. If the situation was as you described it then go ahead, complain to all and sundry. Equally, if you find that the situation was actually slightly different to what was described I'm sure you will quickly get Veronica on the line to apologise to her and that you will publicly announce that apology on the forum of your choice.

I really don't think I can be bothered doing this - have a few other (not related) problems to solve first - will be asking for help here soon once I sort a few things out.

Basically I'm owed cash by a previous company and want to know how to get it - lawyers can only do so much - they don't resort to bounty hunter type behaviour......... Will start another thread sometime.

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To conclude - apologies to all you hardworking emergency staff and huge curses to all the corrupt pricks out there.

[WINJA]

Cheers old fella.

What you said makes complete sense.:clap:

I still "hate" you by the way :motu: :devil2:

Hope the roof painting is going ok -:wait:
FUCK YOU , COME AND HELP ME PAINT IT , ILL LET YOU HAVE A GO ON THE MAGIC.
AND I HATE YOU TOO

[justsomeguy]

FUCK YOU , COME AND HELP ME PAINT IT , ILL LET YOU HAVE A GO ON THE MAGIC.
AND I HATE YOU TOO

Has SPB visited you yet?? I was supposed to come down with him.

Otherwise I'll be down later in September (when I get paid)

You really are a fucking useless bastard.......

OK got to go home now....bye

[N4CR]

Has SPB visited you yet?? I was supposed to come down with him.

Otherwise I'll be down later in September (when I get paid)

You really are a fucking useless bastard.......

OK got to go home now....bye

Well tell me when you are going down and I'm sure John and myself would be able to go too. (I bet winja is pming you right now telling you to *say* you arent going to us :devil2: ).
I'm keen to go on that street magick - we should make a winja working bee or something.

Good to see you have cooled down a alittle and thaught stuff through really.

[TLDV8]

How did they bypass the Alarm ?

[WINJA]

Well tell me when you are going down and I'm sure John and myself would be able to go too. (I bet winja is pming you right now telling you to *say* you arent going to us :devil2: ).
I'm keen to go on that street magick - we should make a winja working bee or something.

Good to see you have cooled down a alittle and thaught stuff through really.
DONT FORGET TO BRING THE LESBIANS

[mini_me]

i was under the impression that the cops dont get told about a 111 call until the operator patchs[such an out of date term] it through to them, from what I understand you[in general meaning your family] where talking to the 111 operator[veronica] not the cops if this is the case then please stop bagging the cops. I have had nothing but good experiences from them and the same with everyone i know [not talking about traffic experiences] and i am even including in there the time i had to explain to the officer what all the explosions where. We had to call 111 the other night when some cage driver lost his temper and followed my step-brother home and become very abusive at us, but the police turned up and followed it through very throughly and professionally.

this is not a personal attack against you I am just starting to get really pissed off at people who call them selves new zealanders and yet moan constantly about everything in this country and yet are unwilling to do anything about it

take the power crisis for example, we want power, but no you cant put your big power cables across my land, no you cant put those windmills up on your property cos they are to noisy(even though we can only hear them iff listening for them) there is no winning in this country no matter what path of action you take.

and yes i do see the irony about me complaining about people complaining about me country so dont even go there.

m/m

[Coyote]

Holy shit, hope it'll be all ok soon. One of the worse things not involving death that could happen to ya :no:

Police were probebly busy revenue gathering to fill their quota

[Coyote]

We had to call 111 the other night when some cage driver lost his temper and followed my step-brother home and become very abusive at us, but the police turned up and followed it through very throughly and professionally.
Then again, they can be the completely opposite. He had our neighbours causing trouble for several years (lots of minor things like throwing their their dogs shit over the fence, feeding our cat deadly nightshade and a few death threats) but the police practically told us to sort it out ourselves. It was only once we had moved and the police had a few run ins with the family did they relise how screwed up they were and finally took our side to help us. They threatened them with court battles etc. and it stopped them harrassing us, for a while

[inlinefour]

House got burgled today.

REALLY BADLY.

A-holes only took a few easily replaceable things but EVERY draw, cupboard, shelf, storage place has been completely overturned and the house looks like a bomb has gone off.

My 15 year old twin sisters were the first to arrive home back from school at 3:30 and they looked around and called dad immediately - he said I'm on my way call 111 and get some help - don't want two 15 year old girls alone at home in such conditions as this is the 1st time something even remotely like this has happened......

DAMN 111 OPERATOR CALLED VERONICA answers, quizzes them about what happened and then tells one of my sisters to stay on the phone and get the other sister to go out and look for any suspicious person and follow them to see what they are doing??? Never says that any cops are on there way - just continues to give them instructions....what is this nancy drew??

As usual no sign of any of the fucken pigs probably too busy to come to check on 2 rather worried 15 year olds alone in a ransacked, upside down house......

Luckily my dad managed to come home in time. Then got that FUCKEN BITCH VERONICA back on the phone and gave her a piece of his mind.... being from southern africa he knows what happens when people try approaching a burglar if there are any around - he's seen slit throats/ sedated/beaten/shot guard dogs and .... and this is supposed to be a professional bloody emergency service person.......

Jesus effing Christ- can't believe this level of crime in our area...this ain't no smash and grab - they must have taken at least 15 minutes to make the mess they have done..

SOMEONE SHOULD FIND THOSE "TO CATCH A THEIF" PROGRAM F*CKERS AND BASH THEM FOR EDUCATING OTHERS ON HOW TO COMMIT BURGLARIES.

No wonder the police keep losing respect here.....

Suss out how hard it is to do the job JSG and then comment. Yea we all understand that your pissed off. Sounds like your beef is with the 111 operater, not the ploddies. I reckon its a right shitter of a job being in the Police. Sounds like they get told what to do and half the time have one or more hands tied behind their back due to excessive PC dribble. Good to hear that the family are sweet and that insurance is there. I'd not be too upset if some scumbag got into the house, but if they got into the workshop, that'd be another story :oi-grr:

[Lou Girardin]

I love all the differrentiation that goes on in these posts. I like Cops, but not HP. It's not the cops, it was a 111 operator and on it goes.
They are all Police, people. All run by the same retards in Wellington. The ones that think that handing Helen $1.3,000,000,000 in speed tax is more important than dealing with our burglaries, threats and assaults .

[spudchucka]

I love all the differrentiation that goes on in these posts. I like Cops, but not HP. It's not the cops, it was a 111 operator and on it goes.
Its better not to have any predjudice and just hate everyones guts, it makes life much less complicated.

[TLDV8]

Traffic and Police are 2 entities.... When the "police" get a call from someone who has a insecure premise..no alarm,no insurance they should hang up (imo)..when a retard with no vehicle insurance is run into by another non insured retard and then expect the Police to get their money, the Police should also hang up on them .........No wonder the Police are short of units to try and deal with real crime.... Not enough Police,but never short of moaners :rofl:

[Pixie]

To me that's the point... we don't have the resources. Greg O'Connor confirms it every time he speaks in public. More police, more police more police.


Greg O'connor is the union guy.When did you ever hear a union rep say we don't need more members?Or that we aren't overworked? :rofl:

[spudchucka]

Greg O'connor is the union guy.When did you ever hear a union rep say we don't need more members?Or that we aren't overworked? :rofl:
The voice of reason from Mr Stereotype. You wouldn't for one moment consider that O'Connor could have a point simply because he is 1: a union rep & 2: he represents the police; therefore whatever he says must be bollocks. It must be nice having all the answers but not knowing what the fucken question was in the first place!

[ManDownUnder]

Greg O'connor is the union guy.When did you ever hear a union rep say we don't need more members?Or that we aren't overworked? :rofl:

My point is that he's saying what I am observing, and he said that AFTER the reporters were asked to leave the room in the instance I was thinking of...

I think the fact the Plice are understaffed is also borne out by number of Police Fraud Investigators (18 nationwide from memory) vs the Insurance Industyr (who filled the rest of the room... approx 200).

The Insurance Industry was so pissed off with the lack of service from the police they enlisted their own people to do it (and it costs them a FORTUNE).

Again - I'm poking a stick at those in charge... not those actually doing what they're told..

[inlinefour]

Its better not to have any predjudice and just hate everyones guts, it makes life much less complicated.

We live in a world of cunts then? :rofl:

[Zed]

House got burgled today.

REALLY BADLY.Sorry to read you & your family got violated so badly JSG. House burglary is up there IMO as one of the worst crimes in society! :angry:

[sir.pratt]

Traffic and Police are 2 entities.... When the "police" get a call from someone who has a insecure premise..no alarm,no insurance they should hang up (imo)..when a retard with no vehicle insurance is run into by another non insured retard and then expect the Police to get their money, the Police should also hang up on them .........No wonder the Police are short of units to try and deal with real crime.... Not enough Police,but never short of moaners :rofl:


A bit like when some drunken fuck rings up wanting a ride home, they should also tell them to get lost.....

[justsomeguy]

Sorry to read you & your family got violated so badly JSG. House burglary is up there IMO as one of the worst crimes in society! :angry:

I agree Zed, you should try and tell it to the cops. They still haven't turned up -

[Zed]

I agree Zed, you should try and tell it to the cops. They still haven't turned up -Now that's both funny and frustrating! :oi-grr:
.................................................. ....:rofl:

[geoffm]

I agree Zed, you should try and tell it to the cops. They still haven't turned up -

Don't hold your breath - friends of mine are still waiting - 4 years on...
In my case, ($12k of gear taken from a van, while we were home), the couldn't be arsed even pretending to be interested. I took it to the cop shop, and only got them to fingerprint it becasue I was aquainted with one of the coppers, who got the fingerprint guy out.
In another case (breakin, 2PM, Tamaki Drive, busy day ...) the cop at Central was very nice, but admitted that nothing would be done, no investigation would happen, and "here is the form for the insurance".
Hell, the cops don't even turn up to a crime in progress, 500m from the main West Auckland police station, which was happening aroudn 10pm, over a 20-30min period.
It was a car breakin by the Falls Hotel in Henderson, and during that time, a cop car actually drove past. Since the crims weren't moving, let alone speeding, it didn't stop.
Last time, it was less than the cost of insurance, so didn't bother reporting it. Not worth the time.
Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Geoff

[TLDV8]

Don't hold your breath - friends of mine are still waiting - 4 years on...
In my case, ($12k of gear taken from a van, while we were home), the couldn't be arsed even pretending to be interested. I took it to the cop shop, and only got them to fingerprint it becasue I was aquainted with one of the coppers, who got the fingerprint guy out.


Sorry..but there seems to lots of posts regarding this sort of thing..Surely a van with $12000 of "gear" in it, had a quality alarm system?.Was it disabled ?... Did they get an insurance pay out ? .........I guess my point is when is the average Kiwi going to accept some accountability......as far as personal affects,who in their responsible mind would not have security to what ever it takes to safeguard it..the level would depend on how much one valued the property.... Perhaps if everyone gave a DNA and Blood sample with fingerprints,crime would drop,but all the tree huggers would come out moaning breach of civil rights!!!........

[justsomeguy]

Sorry..but there seems to lots of posts regarding this sort of thing..Surely a van with $12000 of "gear" in it, had a quality alarm system?.Was it disabled ?... Did they get an insurance pay out ? .........I guess my point is when is the average Kiwi going to accept some accountability......as far as personal affects,who in their responsible mind would not have security to what ever it takes to safeguard it..the level would depend on how much one valued the property.... Perhaps if everyone gave a DNA and Blood sample with fingerprints,crime would drop,but all the tree huggers would come out moaning breach of civil rights!!!........

Are you one of those people who's made a billion dollars after inventing a fail-proof security system??

[Jantar]

.... When the "police" get a call from someone who has a insecure premise..no alarm,no insurance they should hang up (imo)..

What is this pre-occupation with alarms and insurance? Are you sayinmg that it should be legal to burgle a property if it doesn't have an alarm and/or secured like Fort Knox?

Well I'm sorry, but I don't hold with that philosophy at all. That's like saying it should be legal to shoot anyone that's not wearing bulletproof clothing. :no:

Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not. :brick:

[justsomeguy]

What is this pre-occupation with alarms and insurance? Are you sayinmg that it should be legal to burgle a property if it doesn't have an alarm and/or secured like Fort Knox?

Well I'm sorry, but I don't hold with that philosophy at all. That's like saying it should be legal to shoot anyone that's not wearing bulletproof clothing. :no:

Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not. :brick:

Very well said Jantar. :niceone:


........ TLDV8 you are beginning to sound like an alarm salesman.

If people really want to break in they can break the windows, use an acetone torch and cut away the window grills or burn away the wood around the locks, smash the alarm box, cut the wires, use a stun gun/baseball bat/poison on the dogs, tie up anyone in the house do their stealing and dissappear. A decent set of ear plugs or a combination of ear plugs, earphones, helmets and scarves would sort out any internal alarms until they find the things and bash them to bits..... None of this is old news....... where there is a will.....

[Ixion]

..
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Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not. :brick:

Not quite (Yeah, I'm a pedantic bastige - especially about oaths)

Every police officer swears to serve the Queen, to "cause the Queen's Peace to be kept and maintained" , and prevent offences against the peace; and to discharge the duites of a police officer.




I, A.B., do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the Police, without favour or affection, malice or ill-will, until I am legally discharged; that I will see and cause Her Majesty's peace to be kept
and preserved; that I will prevent to the best of my power all offences against the peace; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. So help me God.


'Tis not SPECIFICALLY their job to protect property. Or us. However, burglary (and stealing in general) is an offence against the Queen's Peace. And assault and the like, obviously also.

Their job is to cause the law to be obeyed. Much of the purpose of that law is to protect life and property. But you may endanger yourself to your heart's content, and your property likewise, if no law be broken, and the police will not (can not) intervene to protect you. This is why it is legal (though stupid) for people to lose all their money in casinos.

In law, there is no distinction between senior officers and constables. Constitutionally, the important police officer is the Constable. And the oath used to be the Constable's Oath. Inspectors, Superintendants,Commissioners, are merely constables with extra gravy and some scrambled egg. The duty of all is the same, to cause the Queens Peace to be kept and maintained, and see that the law is obeyed.

So , strictly , the cop who stops you for speeding is doing his job exactly as much as his collegue who arrests the criminal burgling your house. Both are enforcing the law. Just that we agree with some laws more than others. We think the law against burglary ought to be enforced, the law against speeding ought not to be. Police don't have that ability to equivicate. The law is the law. Though they can always look the other way of course, if they think that be justified. And, to be sure, the enforcement of some laws is more important than others. So if resources be inadequate to enforce all, we may all argue to our hearts' content which laws should have priority.

[Jantar]

Not quite (Yeah, I'm a pedantic bastige - especially about oaths)

Every police officer swears to serve the Queen, to "cause the Queen's Peace to be kept and maintained" , and prevent offences against the peace; and to discharge the duites of a police officer.



'Tis not SPECIFICALLY their job to protect property. Or us. However, burglary (and stealing in general) is an offence against the Queen's Peace. And assault and the like, obviously also. .

Yes Ixion, you are quite correct. However as you point out our laws are what goes to make up the "Queen's peace". The point I was making is that it is still our police force (even if not sufficiently resourced) that are charged to carry out that task. It isn't up to the police to decide what events they will or won't attend based purely on the level of security that a property owner has, it is their job to investigate ALL breaches of the queens peace.

[Ixion]

Yes Ixion, you are quite correct. However as you point out our laws are what goes to make up the "Queen's peace". The point I was making is that it is still our police force (even if not sufficiently resourced) that are charged to carry out that task. It isn't up to the police to decide what events they will or won't attend based purely on the level of security that a property owner has, it is their job to investigate ALL breaches of the queens peace.

Quite so. An offence is an offence. Even if the victim has been careless or foolish.(not suggesting that not having an alarm - foolish or careless, BTW) And insurance is completely irrelevant.

Incidentally, the oath is to maintain and see kept the Queen's Peace. So PREVENTING crime is actually more important than solving it. Makes me annoyed that TV shows and such glorify the detective. Detectives are an admission that the force has lost the game. A crime has ALREADY been committed. The purpose of the police force is to PREVENT the crime happening in the first place - to maintain the Peace, not stand by and see it broken then go around and arrest people for breaking it. 'Tis the uniformed constable that does the real police work.

[TLDV8]

What is this pre-occupation with alarms and insurance? Are you sayinmg that it should be legal to burgle a property if it doesn't have an alarm and/or secured like Fort Knox?

Well I'm sorry, but I don't hold with that philosophy at all. That's like saying it should be legal to shoot anyone that's not wearing bulletproof clothing. :no:

Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not. :brick:



The police owe you nothing when you do not atleast make an effort to protect "your own" property...Perhaps you need to spend some time with the Police and see what is not reported in regard to Real crime in this Country...The Police are not there to hold peoples hand when they can not see the obvious..its not the 60's where you could leave the door unlocked,keys in the car at the shops etc.... :rofl:.. How can it be so hard to see,precautions have to be taken to protect material objects ?Blaming the system,making excuses seems to be the way these days,once again..Where is the accountability?.

[spudchucka]

There's a saying amongst criminologists that the police reflect society and that society gets the police that it deserves.

[Jantar]

The police owe you nothing when you do not atleast make an effort to protect "your own" property.
That is a strawman arguement. Whether I, or anyone else makes an extra effort to secure their property, burglary is STILL a crime. The fact that my house may, or may not, be unlocked or fitted with an alarm, doesn't give anyone the right to burgle it.


Perhaps you need to spend some time with the Police and see what is not reported in regard to Real crime in this Country.
You have absolutely NO idea about any relationship I may, or may not, have with the police



The Police are not there to hold peoples hand when they can not see the obvious..its not the 60's where you could leave the door unlocked,keys in the car at the shops etc....
When did it become illegal to leave the door unlocked, or leave the keys in the car? Once again you are missing the whole point. Who is the criminal when a crime of dishonesty takes place? When did it become legal to commit a burglary just because a house doesn't have an alarm fitted? When did it become legal for me to shoot you just because you aren't wearing a bullet proof vest?


How can it be so hard to see,precautions have to be taken to protect material objects ?Blaming the system,making excuses seems to be the way these days,once again..Where is the accountability?.
The only blame for a crime being commited is assigned to the criminal, not the system. Any blame assigned to the system is for the lack of resources, or to the setting of priority.

[Dafe]

I can't tell by your location where you live. But if it's anywhere near Wellington, I install alarm systems professionally. I can sort you out with a good security system, as sophisticated as you want or just a budget one if you prefer.

[Ixion]

The police owe you nothing when you do not atleast make an effort to protect "your own" property...Perhaps you need to spend some time with the Police and see what is not reported in regard to Real crime in this Country...The Police are not there to hold peoples hand when they can not see the obvious..its not the 60's where you could leave the door unlocked,keys in the car at the shops etc.... :rofl:.. How can it be so hard to see,precautions have to be taken to protect material objects ?Blaming the system,making excuses seems to be the way these days,once again..Where is the accountability?.

Arguably, all that alarms, locks etc do is divert the criminal to someone else. If half the houses have alarms and half do not, the burglar will pass by the alarmed house and burgle the one without an alarm. If all have alarms , then he will simply burgle the first one, having improved his techniques so that the alarm is not a problem to him

Alarm or no alarm, burglary is a crime. The law says (Crimes Act 1961)


Burglary—
(1)Every one commits burglary and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who—
(a)enters any building or ship, or part of a building or ship, without authority and with intent to commit a crime in the building or ship; or
..

and


[219.Theft or stealing—
(1)Theft or stealing is the act of,—
(a)dishonestly and without claim of right, taking any property with intent to deprive any owner permanently of that property or of any interest in that property; or


It DOESN'T say "enters any building ..with intent to commit a crime unless the building does not have an alarm or is unlocked"

If you do not have an alarm, or leave your premises unlocked, then the police may be less sympathetic. And the judge may be persuaded to give the captured thief a lesser sentence.

But alarm or no alarm, locks or no locks, insurance or no insurance, the crime remains the same. And the Police are duty bound to prevent it if possible,and catch the culprit if it does occur.

Mind you, if I were Mr Sergeant Plod, and I had two burglaries, and only enough coppers to deal with one of them, I'd probably give priority to the person who had the alarm and locks. Just out of sympathy. But ideally there should be enough coppers to prevent both crimes.

Note incidentally, that despite some ill informed commnts by senior Police spokesplods, the crime IS a serious one - punishable by up to 10 years in gaol.

Pity some of the supine wallies that we call judges don't read the law and apply it.

EDIT:. Regardless of whether or not you " make an effort to protect "your own" property.." , the police owe you the same duty that they owe all Her Majesty's subjects - the duty of maintaining the Queen's Police. The statement to the contrary is simply totally wrong .

[scumdog]

.its not the 60's where you could leave the door unlocked,keys in the car at the shops etc.... :rofl:.. How can it be so hard to see,precautions have to be taken to protect material objects

Yeah well down here 90% of houses are unlocked when I visit them, I see cars left outside shops with the engines running, I see cars parked with the keys still in them, I see unlocked cars everywhere at the supermarkets..
I could go on but if you live in a place like that guard it jealously!!

When there is one cop for an area 50km by 80+ km of course it will take a bit of time to attend a burglar alarm but we DO attend.

[WINJA]

There's a saying amongst criminologists that the police reflect society and that society gets the police that it deserves.
SOUNDS LIKE BULLSHIT TO ME , WE SHOULD GET THE POLICE FORCE WE PAID FOR

[inlinefour]

SOUNDS LIKE BULLSHIT TO ME , WE SHOULD GET THE POLICE FORCE WE PAID FOR

Sounds like a piss poor excuse to behave like a wanker. However it would appear that the minority of Police do that. Not quite a reflection of society I think... :rofl: (thats is there is a bigger proportion of wankers in society)

[spudchucka]

SOUNDS LIKE BULLSHIT TO ME ,
You're the expert on bullshit Whingey.

[Jantar]

.... WE SHOULD GET THE POLICE FORCE WE PAID FOR

For some strange reason I agree with you. At present our front-line guys are over worked, under staffed, under paid, and can't get leave when they need it. We should pay them more.

[TLDV8]

You can't buy experiance,that is one of the problems...Newbies,are semi worthless until they get up to speed. You have front line staff who accumulate time off,are told to take it,yet can't because of the situation they are in,with the contradicting..Why is this not done ..Major Catch 22
>
I can see where there may be a difference in thinking..There is no comparison between Southland and South Auckland except the sky is blue on a sunny day.. fwiw

[Ixion]

For some strange reason I agree with you. At present our front-line guys are over worked, under staffed, under paid, and can't get leave when they need it. We should pay them more.

With all respect, not sure that's the answer. I've observed that once a certain threshhold is reached pay usually only becomes a big issue when there are other problems festering beneath the surface .

If people enjoy their work, are happy with their conditions and respect their workmates and bosses, you won't lure them away for a few thousand more . And if they don't giving them a few thousand more won't actually solve the problem

Think about it - you hate hate hate your job, you hate the work you do, you detest your fellow workers and your boss , and your conditions stink. Not going to be a happy camper, you'll be off if you get a chance, But, we'll give you an extra $5000 . OK, for a month or so you'll be chuffed with the extra money and think life's not so bad. But by next year that will have worn off and all you'll think about is that you hate your job, you detest your fellow workers, your boss is a bastard and the job conditions stink.

I'd suggest we need to fix the job conditions first , then look at the job itself, then the money .I've always found this approach works much better than focusing on the money (both as a boss and as a union delegate) . 'Tis harder , though.

[Jantar]

With all respect, not sure that's the answer. I've observed that once a certain threshhold is reached pay usually only becomes a big issue when there are other problems festering beneath the surface .

If people enjoy their work, are happy with their conditions and respect their workmates and bosses, you won't lure them away for a few thousand more .

I'd suggest we need to fix the job conditions first , then look at the job itself, then the money .I've always found this approach works much better than focusing on the money (both as a boss and as a union delegate) . 'Tis harder , though.

I couldn't agree more. But at the present time our police force are having trouble with recruitment, and that lack of new recruits is part of what is causing many of the work realted issues such as over work, lack of leave etc. Paying more may help with more recruitment.

[spudchucka]

I'd suggest we need to fix the job conditions first , then look at the job itself, then the money .I've always found this approach works much better than focusing on the money (both as a boss and as a union delegate) . 'Tis harder , though.
In my experience most cops love the job but hate the paperwork, think the bosses are idiots who lose touch with the front line the moment they get pips on their shoulders and just want to paid what the believe they are worth.

[Ixion]

In my experience most cops love the job but hate the paperwork, think the bosses are idiots who lose touch with the front line the moment they get pips on their shoulders and just want to paid what the believe they are worth.

I saw somewhere the amount of paperwork that a cop has to fill in if he collars a young shit doing a badness. It was seriously unbelievable. I sort of boggled, reread it it, boggled again, and thought "what a load of crap - that's not what the public pay cops to do" . Truely, it was unbelievable, form after form, and some of them a total wankfest. Forms about this and forms about that, it would have taken hours. And hardly any of it seemed to my lay eye to be worth a shit

EDIT. You sort of think of cops as chasing villains, grabbing same , delivering them to the cop shop and saying " Caught this little shit doing xxxx ", then heading back out onto the streets to catch the next villain, while said little shit gets processed. But it's not like that at all.

[justsomeguy]

Well a cop finally turned up today.

He explained the delay in response. In the game of cops and robbers they are down 5 to 20; meaning they face around 20 burglaries a day in this area and only have the resources to cover 5 a day. So guess who's winning the game??

I also believe that crime rates are at an unprecedented high, really pathetic in a country where people have the dole, supermarkets, McDonalds, factory labour option and don't have to steal to pay for the bare essentials.

It really is sad that a country like this world famous for it's peace and hospitality is facing such a rise in crime rates.

And yeah we don't have an alarm....... had all sorts of stuff in other countries (pro trained guard dogs, blah, blah) and guess we kinda got too cynical. The door wasn't unlocked though, nor any other entrance. They used a crowbar to force the door open and get past two sturdy dead bolts.
F*ckers took the only thing in my room of any value a bag- with my degree, two university diplomas, various merit certificates, my passport and recommendation letters - I was searching for jobs recently and had all my documents kept in a smart black bag - guess they went for the bag and didn't have time to empty it :oi-grr: . Luckily all my qualifications are local, but the recommendation letters were all from people who have since moved to different places - so thats a loss.......... grrrr :angry:

[spudchucka]

I saw somewhere the amount of paperwork that a cop has to fill in if he collars a young shit doing a badness. It was seriously unbelievable. I sort of boggled, reread it it, boggled again, and thought "what a load of crap - that's not what the public pay cops to do" . Truely, it was unbelievable, form after form, and some of them a total wankfest. Forms about this and forms about that, it would have taken hours. And hardly any of it seemed to my lay eye to be worth a shit

EDIT. You sort of think of cops as chasing villains, grabbing same , delivering them to the cop shop and saying " Caught this little shit doing xxxx ", then heading back out onto the streets to catch the next villain, while said little shit gets processed. But it's not like that at all.
The forms are bloody endless and you have to repeat the same information over and over on this form and that form. It is crazy, if the police were a business they would go broke in a day through inefficient administration.

Making an arrest or processing a drunk driver can take a cop off the street for a couple of hours easily, often longer. By the time you interview & process the prisoner, take care of exhibits, interview witnesses and victims and complete the necessary paper work your 10 hour shift has turned in to 12 hours. Then of course there is a heap more paper work and admin as a case goes through the stages of the court sytem.

[WINJA]

Well a cop finally turned up today.

He explained the delay in response. In the game of cops and robbers they are down 5 to 20; meaning they face around 20 burglaries a day in this area and only have the resources to cover 5 a day. So guess who's winning the game??

I also believe that crime rates are at an unprecedented high, really pathetic in a country where people have the dole, supermarkets, McDonalds, factory labour option and don't have to steal to pay for the bare essentials.

It really is sad that a country like this world famous for it's peace and hospitality is facing such a rise in crime rates.

And yeah we don't have an alarm....... had all sorts of stuff in other countries (pro trained guard dogs, blah, blah) and guess we kinda got too cynical. The door wasn't unlocked though, nor any other entrance. They used a crowbar to force the door open and get past two sturdy dead bolts.
F*ckers took the only thing in my room of any value a bag- with my degree, two university diplomas, various merit certificates, my passport and recommendation letters - I was searching for jobs recently and had all my documents kept in a smart black bag - guess they went for the bag and didn't have time to empty it :oi-grr: . Luckily all my qualifications are local, but the recommendation letters were all from people who have since moved to different places - so thats a loss.......... grrrr :angry:
YET THEY HAVE TIME IF SOMEONE STEALS CHEWING GUM FROM FOODTOWN.
COPS HAVE GOT TO PRIOROTIZE AND SAY TO CORPORATES THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF IT THEMSELVES LIKE THERE OWN SECURITY AND LEGAL ACTION

[Indoo]

Don't forget that you can claim your 7 dollar meal allowance for that overtime though!

In Auckland quite alot of the frontline cops are forced to come in on their days off and work unpaid, just to keep up with the paperwork. Half the time they can't even get a meal/toilet break while on duty, let alone sit at a computer and type out a file. Then they will get abused by the general public for taking so long to attend a burglary etc.

Then they wonder why we have such a bad turnover rate.

[Lou Girardin]

Don't forget that you can claim your 7 dollar meal allowance for that overtime though!

In Auckland quite alot of the frontline cops are forced to come in on their days off and work unpaid, just to keep up with the paperwork. Half the time they can't even get a meal/toilet break while on duty, let alone sit at a computer and type out a file. Then they will get abused by the general public for taking so long to attend a burglary etc.

Then they wonder why we have such a bad turnover rate.

Meanwhile, Wobbie and Georgie say you don't need more staff. Have you thought about a strike or a coup de tat (preferably bloody)?

[Indoo]

We just need someone like you to lead us Lou...

Besides Helens gonna give us 250 more community cops, thats gonna make a huge impact on resolving disputes over driveway access and other such pressing concerns.

[ManDownUnder]

We just need someone like you to lead us Lou...

Besides Helens gonna give us 250 more community cops, thats gonna make a huge impact on resolving disputes over driveway access and other such pressing concerns.

Give each of them full riot gear and an RPG - I think they'd put a fair sized dent in it...

[Lou Girardin]

We just need someone like you to lead us Lou...

Besides Helens gonna give us 250 more community cops, thats gonna make a huge impact on resolving disputes over driveway access and other such pressing concerns.

For $400,000 I'd lead you to Helen back.

[justsomeguy]

Besides Helens gonna give us 250 more community cops

She going to grow them in her garden??

[Indoo]

Shes probably hoping on luring a few Iraqi Police here, I think they are paid slightly less than N.Z cops.

[ManDownUnder]

She going to grow them in her garden??

You can do that?

cool!