Putting diesel engines in V8 cars

[Padmei]

Out of interest I have been looking at very cool old yank trucks in case my Honda odyssey ( yes i really say that out loud) craps out.

I'm sure someone here would know if it is a big deal or not to replace the v8 with a diesel. Obviously performance isn't the issue but keeping daily driving costs down is a consideration.
if any have done it what did you do?

[BMWST?]

i guess the question is what engine would you put in?
I am a recent diesel convert.I always had a hankerin to try a peugot or citroen diesel but never did.My fairly recent experience with japanese diesel utes werent impressive(2.7 navaras and older toyots surfs,gutless and or smoky)
The advent of common rail turbo diesels tho is a completely different kettle of fish.My previous car was a 1990 BMW 535 manual 3.5 l 155kw 305nm torque,a nice engine heaps of power,very flexible bit thirsty though.
I had the opportunity to buy a BMW 120d manual which i did because the ol 535 was just too thirsty and i had had it for 8 years.Now the little 2.0 diesl has 120 kw and 340nm of torque.Thats more grunt than a 3.5 litre petrol,and it uses HALF the fuel.Love it.At the other end of the scale my brother has a newish 4.5 litre V8 landcruiser.Now that has torque! 151kw and 450 Nm!

[Woodman]

You can get GM v8 diesel engines that are similar size to smallblock chevys and fords. Horrible rattly things the ones from my experience.

Something like a Nissan td42 and auto box would work okay. They are in nissan Patrols which are basically trucks anyway, and similar size to old f100 etc.

With BMWST on the diesel car thing, coming up 90000kms in the Epica and its marvelous, and cheaper to run than the old Focus petrol and about twice the size.

Soooo not much help really............

[pete376403]

Are diesels that much cheaper to run after you take road user charges into consideration?

And I'd really love a Hayes diesel in the KLR.

[ellipsis]

...I have run diesel in all my vehicles for so long that I cant remember dizzys, and spark plugs, ever existing outside of motorcycles. It is probably wrong to think that dizesils are cheap to run on the road...it's getting to be a 50/50 on the economics...wouldn't stop me from doing it though, if ya want a deesil. (deezil?)

[jonbuoy]

Out of interest I have been looking at very cool old yank trucks in case my Honda odyssey ( yes i really say that out loud) craps out.

I'm sure someone here would know if it is a big deal or not to replace the v8 with a diesel. Obviously performance isn't the issue but keeping daily driving costs down is a consideration.
if any have done it what did you do?

I´m doing an engine swap at the moment - 4cyl to 8 cyl petrol. Nothing special about doing a diesel swap - anything can be made to fit if you can cut/weld. If you want some performance you´ll be looking at a turbo diesel - which might mean custom manifolds to get everything to fit. With engine swaps its not the engine block that's expensive or the most work to fit - its making all the ancillaries and controls work. Good news is your starting with a yank tank which will have no shortage of engine space. If you add up the cost of the conversion - can´t see it being less than 6K (and I think you´ll be bloody lucky to do it for that) how many years is it going to take to claw back the cash? Might be better off trying to improve the MPG of the Petrol Truck - Megasquirt it if its not injected.

[Grumph]

...I have run diesel in all my vehicles for so long that I cant remember dizzys, and spark plugs, ever existing outside of motorcycles. It is probably wrong to think that dizesils are cheap to run on the road...it's getting to be a 50/50 on the economics...wouldn't stop me from doing it though, if ya want a deesil. (deezil?)

In fact, for small stuff, the economics have swung back to petrol. i have a turbo diesel van and if/when it craps out again, I'll be looking seriously at going back to petrol. The differences in rego costs alone if you don't do a lot of mileage are just ridiculous.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

In fact, for small stuff, the economics have swung back to petrol. i have a turbo diesel van and if/when it craps out again, I'll be looking seriously at going back to petrol. The differences in rego costs alone if you don't do a lot of mileage are just ridiculous.

True, had a diesel Terrano for 11 years, just swopped for a petrol XTrail. Didn't do enough mileage for the diesel to be worth it. Crunched the numbers and I needed to be doing 25k a year. Do miss the torque though.
I remember when diesel hit 50c a litre, thought the end of the world had come !

[scissorhands]

Its usually better policy to sell the petrol to buy the diesel vehicle, unless you dont mind dicking around for many hours and have a workshop and a dead petrol donk to begin with.

[Drew]

I've converted a couple Hilux' to diesel. But that's because diesels are better off road. There's no advantage otherwise.

What sort of truck are you looking at? You would save money in the long run, by upgrading the rotten old ignition and fueling for a modern fuel injected motor.

You can get an LS2 chev motor, loom, and computer for fuck all these days. That would bloody near half the fuel usage of an 80's Chev pickup.

[BMWST?]

In fact, for small stuff, the economics have swung back to petrol. i have a turbo diesel van and if/when it craps out again, I'll be looking seriously at going back to petrol. The differences in rego costs alone if you don't do a lot of mileage are just ridiculous.

You must be doing minimal kilometres then?


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[scumdog]

You can get GM v8 diesel engines that are similar size to smallblock chevys and fords. Horrible rattly things the ones from my experience.

..........


And a propensity to shit themselves...well the Oldsmobile 350 does.

[Road kill]

Just buy what you want an sell what you got.
Save heaps on converting and getting everything legal.

[Ocean1]

You can get GM v8 diesel engines that are similar size to smallblock chevys and fords. Horrible rattly things the ones from my experience.

The Bro-inlaw had an 8L (?) turbo Cummins V8 installed in his 2009 Land Rover. Impressive. 'Bout 3 whumps per lamp-post.

[paturoa]

Diesels mostly rev lower than petrol engines, so you'd probably need to consider a gear box and of diff as well.

[Akzle]

if any have done it what did you do?

well... Took the petrol engine out and put a diesel one in.


Diesel fumes are carcinogenic.

[Akzle]

Megasquirt it if its not injected.

you got one in nz?

Giz it

[Akzle]

brew biodiesel with hemp oil

[Edbear]

My favourite engine is the turbo diesel. However up to my size car, the Suzuki Kizashi, which is a 2.4lt petrol four, it was cheaper to buy and run petrol. I am just doing 25,000km p.a. but I get under 7.6lt/100km on a trip and 8.9 around town. It is criminal that small diesel vehicles are rendered invalid by the RUC's!

As has been pointed out, you will probably want to up the gearing as well, but a modern turbo diesel will do about the same revs as the old V8's.

[BMWST?]

My favourite engine is the turbo diesel. However up to my size car, the Suzuki Kizashi, which is a 2.4lt petrol four, it was cheaper to buy and run petrol. I am just doing 25,000km p.a. but I get under 7.6lt/100km on a trip and 8.9 around town. It is criminal that small diesel vehicles are rendered invalid by the RUC's!

As has been pointed out, you will probably want to up the gearing as well, but a modern turbo diesel will do about the same revs as the old V8's.

25 k would be enough to break even i reckon,My 2.0 diesel does 6.5l per 100k round town and 5.5 or better on the open road.I suspect it would be more than a match for your 2.4 in most real world situations.RUc is 5c a kilometre the extra rego is about 200 bucks.If i can be bothered i will stick your figures into the spreadsheet i made up once to figure out my actual running costs

[Edbear]

25 k would be enough to break even i reckon,My 2.0 diesel does 6.5l per 100k round town and 5.5 or better on the open road.I suspect it would be more than a match for your 2.4 in most real world situations.RUc is 5c a kilometre the extra rego is about 200 bucks.If i can be bothered i will stick your figures into the spreadsheet i made up once to figure out my actual running costs

Yeah, I worked it out that the Kizashi was the limit I could go to match diesels. It is more economical than the others in the class and that made the difference. It was also significantly cheaper to buy. Any larger and much more mileage and the diesel would win. Shame, as the modern turbo-diesels are fabulous engines! Much more torque as you well know.

[jonbuoy]

Diesels mostly rev lower than petrol engines, so you'd probably need to consider a gear box and of diff as well.

Yup thats when the money starts to flow and that cheap engine isn´t so cheap anymore - gearbox to diff ratio matching, propshaft length, clutch actuation, temperature sensors, speedo, tacho, fuel return lines, pumps, swirl pots, ECU harnesses, exhaust pipe routing, throttle linkage, radiator hose layouts, ignition switch wiring, extra relays/fuses, engine mounts, gearbox mounts/crossmember placement, sump clearance, bonnet clearance, gearlever placement.....

[Padmei]

Interesting comments fellas.
i have been following this thread
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434542

and it just perked my interest for a fleeting moment. Remember the cool vans from the 70s?
Anyway the odyssey which is my work car is too low for most of the driveways I go into around Nelson. It is always bottoming out & although it is comfortable to drive it is sometimes a pain to work out of.
I don't like modern Jap vans-like their bikes they have no character (apart from the mighty KLR of course) so I started looking at alternative work vehicles.
I love old Broncos & yank vans however they all seem to come with 6L v8s. I would shudder to think what I'd pay for gas running one of those beauties around all day. Anyway since diesels are so prevalent on the road I thought maybe there would have been a few that have done the conversion or gone thru the logistics.

So the more modern V8s are not too bad on gas? I think I'm getting 450kms out of 55L of gas in the odyssey - it is carrying a bit of gear in there.
Those lexus V8s are apparently cheap to put in to cars from what a young mech told me but he may be talking crap.

Ohhhh cool
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/chevrolet/vandura/auction-626910612.htm

[jonbuoy]

Its worth looking at improving MPG on a gas guzzler -any improvement makes a big difference when your below 30MPG - above 30 - not so much bit of a diminishing return so that petrol option might not be so bad after all:

http://energyoptionsexplained.com/mpg-diminishing-returns-in-savings/

[Kickaha]

Anyway since diesels are so prevalent on the road I thought maybe there would have been a few that have done the conversion or gone thru the logistics.

Guy I know put a 6.3L diesel in a mid nineties Transit, said it would wind up close to 200kmh given enough road, no idea what it cost him to do but he did have it for sale a while back

[Ocean1]

Its worth looking at improving MPG on a gas guzzler -any improvement makes a big difference when your below 30MPG - above 30 - not so much bit of a diminishing return so that petrol option might not be so bad after all:

http://energyoptionsexplained.com/mpg-diminishing-returns-in-savings/

An unbroken, metric version of that spreadsheet would be nice...

[Padmei]

That is an excellent read jonbouy.
I did a quick google of MPG of big V8s - nearly half (or double that- my maths is really bad) of what I get. So it is either heaps better or heaps worse.

cool factor is there tho.

[scumdog]

That is an excellent read jonbouy.
I did a quick google of MPG of big V8s - nearly half (or double that- my maths is really bad) of what I get. So it is either heaps better or heaps worse.

cool factor is there tho.

My Ford pick-up gets just over 15mpg on a trip.
And I don't care.

[carburator]

Interesting comments fellas.
i have been following this thread
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434542

and it just perked my interest for a fleeting moment. Remember the cool vans from the 70s?
Anyway the odyssey which is my work car is too low for most of the driveways I go into around Nelson. It is always bottoming out & although it is comfortable to drive it is sometimes a pain to work out of.
I don't like modern Jap vans-like their bikes they have no character (apart from the mighty KLR of course) so I started looking at alternative work vehicles.
I love old Broncos & yank vans however they all seem to come with 6L v8s. I would shudder to think what I'd pay for gas running one of those beauties around all day. Anyway since diesels are so prevalent on the road I thought maybe there would have been a few that have done the conversion or gone thru the logistics.

So the more modern V8s are not too bad on gas? I think I'm getting 450kms out of 55L of gas in the odyssey - it is carrying a bit of gear in there.
Those lexus V8s are apparently cheap to put in to cars from what a young mech told me but he may be talking crap.

Ohhhh cool
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/chevrolet/vandura/auction-626910612.htm

The lexus into the hilux conversion is one of the most covered, the lexus motor is a reliable donk, but certainly not a show stopper on the HP
output.

at the moment my mileage has gone from over 2000kms a month to 500. going to be while till I have to buy another 10,000kms of ruc.

[BMWST?]

its a funny thing this buying new vehicles.Its not a linear relationship because we all know that sooner or later the old car is going to die...so you cant always say that its best to keep and old er car.So if you are going to buy a newer one you go all out to get what you want.Ie you buy the biggest ,the newest the most economical you can afford.Of course only you know what you can afford

[Ocean1]

at the moment my mileage has gone from over 2000kms a month to 500. going to be while till I have to buy another 10,000kms of ruc.

Few years ago the brother's company had done quite well, and he decided the books would look better with a new Land Cruiser on them. 'Course, you have to depreciate vehicles, and he only got to write down about $20k. The 100,000k worth of RUC he bought it with however was 100% deductible...

[jonbuoy]

My Ford pick-up gets just over 15mpg on a trip.
And I don't care.

Its worth it for that sound!

[Brian d marge]

well... Took the petrol engine out and put a diesel one in.


Diesel fumes are carcinogenic.
and petrol does what? ....if I was trying to top meself , it would take a long time with Diesel

Also , because D is a quantity engine, ie you though air in then add fuel and chuck air and shit out , AND do this at high comp , its efficiency is horn inducing

trouble is you now add a retarded NZ government , WHO NEED their tax ,,,, so and benefit goes out the window

well done retards

Finally as the d is a heavier and more vibration prone engine , points of contact and their flexture need to be addressed or things like cracking around engine mounts may occur ( plus any auxiliary things such as manifolds etc)

not that your average certifiable will know , pick , or even tell you

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

brew biodiesel with hemp oil

Ill help with the production , honest I will ......

Ive been a good boy I has , been three days now and I havent thrown any stones .....

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Interesting comments fellas.
i have been following this thread
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434542

and it just perked my interest for a fleeting moment. Remember the cool vans from the 70s?
Anyway the odyssey which is my work car is too low for most of the driveways I go into around Nelson. It is always bottoming out & although it is comfortable to drive it is sometimes a pain to work out of.
I don't like modern Jap vans-like their bikes they have no character (apart from the mighty KLR of course) so I started looking at alternative work vehicles.
I love old Broncos & yank vans however they all seem to come with 6L v8s. I would shudder to think what I'd pay for gas running one of those beauties around all day. Anyway since diesels are so prevalent on the road I thought maybe there would have been a few that have done the conversion or gone thru the logistics.

So the more modern V8s are not too bad on gas? I think I'm getting 450kms out of 55L of gas in the odyssey - it is carrying a bit of gear in there.
Those lexus V8s are apparently cheap to put in to cars from what a young mech told me but he may be talking crap.

Ohhhh cool
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/chevrolet/vandura/auction-626910612.htm

what you need is;-
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Stephen

[Flip]

I have had a few diesel work utes, mostly Toyota's. The last HiLux was rubbish, used to go through a set of injectors every 40k km, it has put me right off jap comon rail motors. I had an 05 ford ranger that was good and I currently have a Mitsubishi triton farm ute at the moment and we will see how long it lasts, so the jury is out with this one.

There is no savings in Biodiesel until diesel goes above $2/litre and I can't be fucked working safely at home with boiling hot methanol. Its fucking poisioness and the risk of a fire or explosion is far too high for this lad.

The cheapest fuel at the moment is LPG, I have a V8 LPG landrover, given it has the low compression military motor which is not the best power unit for LPG it is considerably cheaper to run than any diesel motor in this kind of vehicle. I have a Rockgas card and last time I checked the price of the fuel it was onlt $1/litre. The motor oil comes out looking like new and there is no RUC's on LPG. You can get LPG at about 2/3rds of all service stations and the Rockgas discount card works at Caltex and Mobil. The cheapest fuel is at the Rockgas sites.

I brought a 2nd hand tank and had it recerted. The regulator was NOS from the retiring sales manager at Rockgas and the mixing rings were new from a local installer/supplier. I fitted the kit and took it to an installer to certify. From memory,Tank $150, Reg $120, Mixers (2) $120, Certification $300 and say $200 for hose and fittings etc. So Say $800.

Technically the truck is dual fuel, keeping fresh petrol in it is a bit of a pain, I usually start the truck on LPG and swap over to pertol for a short run every month or so just to keep the petrol system working. The truck has a 50 litre front tank, a 65 litre back tank and the LPG tank is 80 litres so once fuelled up the vehicle has a relatively long range.

For those who care, it is on 32 BFG Muds, has Paradolic springs with 2" lift and OME shocks, is a 3 diff perminant 4WD with diff locks and has be regeared to the same high ratio as a Range Rover, and will do 80mph if you are brave enough to hold the throttle open long enough.

[jasonu]

Are diesels that much cheaper to run after you take road user charges into consideration?

And I'd really love a Hayes diesel in the KLR.

A regular service is 3 times the cost of a similar petrol vehicle (over here anyway)

[jasonu]

The Bro-inlaw had an 8L (?) turbo Cummins V8 installed in his 2009 Land Rover. Impressive. 'Bout 3 whumps per lamp-post.

Are you sure it is a v8? Most Cummins are a straight 6 (and sound fucking cool when tweaked)

[kevfromcoro]

what you need is;-


Stephen
seen 1 of those in whangamata
had a 12 volt car battery in it
the owner bought it in from India
It wasn't that expensive.
the worst part was getting it through customs into NZ
They charched him $500 just to destroy the crate it came in
was supper cheap to run

[Ocean1]

Are you sure it is a v8? Most Cummins are a straight 6 (and sound fucking cool when tweaked)

Yes, quite sure. Was in Aussie, though, it may have been re-badged... if so it wasn't a Chev. That's all I got.

My own limited experiences with Cummins here is that they're a bit of a lightweight, not much tolerance for abuse, to put it mildly.

[BMWST?]

I have had a few diesel work utes, mostly Toyota's. The last HiLux was rubbish, used to go through a set of injectors every 40k km, it has put me right off jap comon rail motors. I had an 05 ford ranger that was good and I currently have a Mitsubishi triton farm ute at the moment and we will see how long it lasts, so the jury is out with this one.

There is no savings in Biodiesel until diesel goes above $2/litre and I can't be fucked working safely at home with boiling hot methanol. Its fucking poisioness and the risk of a fire or explosion is far too high for this lad.

The cheapest fuel at the moment is LPG, I have a V8 LPG landrover, given it has the low compression military motor which is not the best power unit for LPG it is considerably cheaper to run than any diesel motor in this kind of vehicle. I have a Rockgas card and last time I checked the price of the fuel it was onlt $1/litre. The motor oil comes out looking like new and there is no RUC's on LPG. You can get LPG at about 2/3rds of all service stations and the Rockgas discount card works at Caltex and Mobil. The cheapest fuel is at the Rockgas sites.

I brought a 2nd hand tank and had it recerted. The regulator was NOS from the retiring sales manager at Rockgas and the mixing rings were new from a local installer/supplier. I fitted the kit and took it to an installer to certify. From memory,Tank $150, Reg $120, Mixers (2) $120, Certification $300 and say $200 for hose and fittings etc. So Say $800.

Technically the truck is dual fuel, keeping fresh petrol in it is a bit of a pain, I usually start the truck on LPG and swap over to pertol for a short run every month or so just to keep the petrol system working. The truck has a 50 litre front tank, a 65 litre back tank and the LPG tank is 80 litres so once fuelled up the vehicle has a relatively long range.

For those who care, it is on 32 BFG Muds, has Paradolic springs with 2" lift and OME shocks, is a 3 diff perminant 4WD with diff locks and has be regeared to the same high ratio as a Range Rover, and will do 80mph if you are brave enough to hold the throttle open long enough.

looks cool..if enough people start ot change to lpg the govt wil find some way to tax it.When you register it do you pay the same as a pure petrol or???

[BMWST?]

A regular service is 3 times the cost of a similar petrol vehicle (over here anyway)

urban myth.My little bmw costs no more to service than a petrol model.We will see what happens when a particulate filter is due.

[avgas]

I went back to petrol after being sick of the sound a diesel makes.
Like making love to a really hot woman, who has an old mans voice.

Eventually you give up as the sex appeal has gone.
Previous diesels were 2009 Focus TDCI, 2006 Hilux SR5, 2004 Dodge Ram and 2004 VW Combi.

Hilux and Focus drove good.....but that sound...... no sex appeal.

[BMWST?]

I went back to petrol after being sick of the sound a diesel makes.
Like making love to a really hot woman, who has an old mans voice.

Eventually you give up as the sex appeal has gone.
Previous diesels were 2009 Focus TDCI, 2006 Hilux SR5, 2004 Dodge Ram and 2004 VW Combi.

Hilux and Focus drove good.....but that sound...... no sex appeal.

Some truth here used to absolutely cane the old 535 every now and then to hear the big six rev out to the limiter ,the diesel falls flat on its face at 5 k(chipped)


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[JimO]

dont go buying a 6.2 chev diesel to put in anything they are crap

[jasonu]

dont go buying a 6.2 chev diesel to put in anything they are crap

Yep the 80' and 90's chev diesels had a habit of head issues, steer well clear of them.

[dangerous]

Putting diesel engines in V8 cars
well why wouldnt ya...

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[dangerous]

check out some of the diesel drag videos aswell...
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[jasonu]

Audi diesel race car. Fucking cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaUypCSEUTM

[dangerous]

its got me farked why the nips didnt do a 2 stroke diesel for cars, instead just did small belt driven 4 stroke things... after all they did do a 6 cylinder 3 barrel 2 cycle diesel for a truck...

[pete376403]

the older generation (ie pre electronics) Diesels were percived to be noisy, smelly, clattery, slow, expensive to fix, the sort of thing used in trucks and tractors - not what you want your customers to think of when you are a manufacturer trying to sell your vehicles as smooth, quiet, reliable, etc.

And I really like diesels - my apprenticship was with GG&H on Cats

And the three cylinder / six piston / 12 conrod thing was a Commer TS3 from the 1950s. Napier took it a few (quite a few) steps further with the Deltic.

[BMWST?]

the older generation (ie pre electronics) Diesels were percived to be noisy, smelly, clattery, slow, expensive to fix, the sort of thing used in trucks and tractors -
and they mostly were wernt they?

[dangerous]

And the three cylinder / six piston / 12 conrod thing was a Commer TS3 from the 1950s. Napier took it a few (quite a few) steps further with the Deltic.commer no doubt did... but remember the posts on the Leyland thread recently were the Japs did a oposed 2 stroke diesel...

[vifferman]

I had the opportunity to buy a BMW 120d manual which i did because the ol 535 was just too thirsty and i had had it for 8 years.Now the little 2.0 diesl has 120 kw and 340nm of torque.Thats more grunt than a 3.5 litre petrol,and it uses HALF the fuel.Love it.At the other end of the scale my brother has a newish 4.5 litre V8 landcruiser.Now that has torque! 151kw and 450 Nm!
We had a Pajero 2.5 turbo diesel for a few years, and it was great to drive; plenty of torque. I had a high-sided trailer loaded up with hardwood firewood in Christchurch, and it just pulled away from the yard with no throttle.:shit:
Last year, I bought a 2010 VW Passat RLine TDi: 125 kw (170hp) 350Nm common-rail diesel with electronic injectors and a 6-speed DSG gearbox. It's brilliant! Last trip (last weekend) to Taupo and back, without being particularly careful, it averaged 5.4 litres/100km, which is 54mpg. Mental (but then on the highway it's only turning over 1500-1800 rpm in 'S' mode. Don't use 'D' as it actually uses more fuel as it's below the torque hump).
The engine (1968cc) is not highly stressed, and commonly remapped to give up to 230 hp, but I think I'll leave mine stock.

[Padmei]

We had a Pajero 2.5 turbo diesel for a few years, and it was great to drive; plenty of torque. I had a high-sided trailer loaded up with hardwood firewood in Christchurch, and it just pulled away from the yard with no throttle.:shit:
Last year, I bought a 2010 VW Passat RLine TDi: 125 kw (170hp) 350Nm common-rail diesel with electronic injectors and a 6-speed DSG gearbox. It's brilliant! Last trip (last weekend) to Taupo and back, without being particularly careful, it averaged 5.4 litres/100km, which is 54mpg. Mental (but then on the highway it's only turning over 1500-1800 rpm in 'S' mode. Don't use 'D' as it actually uses more fuel as it's below the torque hump).
The engine (1968cc) is not highly stressed, and commonly remapped to give up to 230 hp, but I think I'll leave mine stock.

Did you spnd $44K on buying it tho?

I have to say the smell & noise of a diesel is pretty revolting.
The smell & noise of a V8 is fricking horny tho.

That landy looks the biz Flip. That is what i'm kinda after - old school looks/ feel but with newer engine efficiency. This is all cloud talk but I like dreaming about different wagons. The local plumber has an old 1949ish Chrysler panel truck. Very cool.

[BMWST?]

If you want efficiency you gotta go turbo common rail


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[Motu]

commer no doubt did... but remember the posts on the Leyland thread recently were the Japs did a oposed 2 stroke diesel...

And I corrected that post with them being a copy of the GMC/Detroit, in 3,4,5 and 6 cyl versions. They have an inline pump instead of unit injectors, made more power than a Detroit, but unreliable. I fitted a brand new electronic injector pump to a 2002 Pajero last week - $8,000 and a 6 week wait as there were none in stock and they had to build one up specially. Diesels are expensive to fix, and modern ones even more so.

I fitted a petrol engine into my diesel Escort - back then a 1600 petrol was way more powerful than a 1600 diesel, now a petrol option is the gutless option.

[Brian d marge]

its got me farked why the nips didnt do a 2 stroke diesel for cars, instead just did small belt driven 4 stroke things... after all they did do a 6 cylinder 3 barrel 2 cycle diesel for a truck...

because its banned here , you can rego a diesel in some prefectures but Tokyo ,,yeah right and because the stupid fks have got their heads so far up there own arses ( trust me I know ) its petrol all the way

I can only speak of Honda

I actually was working with one young lady last year from the power product division and asked her the same question; Why ,if India finds petrol expensive ,are you not producing diesel generators . ? Ans: Because they are noisy and smelly and there is no market ........ headup arse syndrome.

look up gundamn then look at his motorcycle rocket bike or what ever its called, then look at the current designs ,,,,those kids who grew up on that manga sht are now the managers ,,,,,

there is no chance of a decent product until they pass on

IMHO

Stephen

[dangerous]

If you want efficiency you gotta go turbo common rail

now ya see... Im in the market after loosing my trusty of 10yrs 2.7TD navara, went farking well with a biger pipe and open air filter and sounded awesome.

Now Im looking at the 3L DT Navara cos they are the last of the "decent diesels" after them comes the common rail.

common rail nissan 2.5 and haul serious arse with econmy... but come on they must be seriously stressed, how long will they last?
then theres the inj cost, we have all heard the horror storys of what it cost to rebuild a common rails? why so dear they are just injectors and fuel lines...

EG a guy I was working with paid 5.5k for a 3L Wizzard, then cos a idiot light came on it cost him $6000 to rebuild the injectors???

[Gremlin]

The answer is obvious really... you need one of these: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auction-619148640.htm

[JimO]

now ya see... Im in the market after loosing my trusty of 10yrs 2.7TD navara, went farking well with a biger pipe and open air filter and sounded awesome.

Now Im looking at the 3L DT Navara cos they are the last of the "decent diesels" after them comes the common rail.

common rail nissan 2.5 and haul serious arse with econmy... but come on they must be seriously stressed, how long will they last?
then theres the inj cost, we have all heard the horror storys of what it cost to rebuild a common rails? why so dear they are just injectors and fuel lines...

EG a guy I was working with paid 5.5k for a 3L Wizzard, then cos a idiot light came on it cost him $6000 to rebuild the injectors???
buy a new one and ditch it when the warranty ends

[BMWST?]

now ya see... Im in the market after loosing my trusty of 10yrs 2.7TD navara, went farking well with a biger pipe and open air filter and sounded awesome.

Now Im looking at the 3L DT Navara cos they are the last of the "decent diesels" after them comes the common rail.

common rail nissan 2.5 and haul serious arse with econmy... but come on they must be seriously stressed, how long will they last?
then theres the inj cost, we have all heard the horror storys of what it cost to rebuild a common rails? why so dear they are just injectors and fuel lines...

EG a guy I was working with paid 5.5k for a 3L Wizzard, then cos a idiot light came on it cost him $6000 to rebuild the injectors???

i dont know,all i know i got a little 2 litre diesel that drives like a 3 or 4 litre petrol na most of the time (sometimes its a 800cc petrol) but at the pump its like a 1600.Seriously if its on boost and you floor it its like a 2 stroke,its probably good thats its got traction control.

[Smifffy]

I drive a 4.7L 'high output' V8.

Everything they say about economy, environment, fuel consumption etc is true.

But



Fuck you. See line 1.

[SPman]

It is criminal that small diesel vehicles are rendered invalid by the RUC's!
.
To true. Over here, diesel is around $1.50/litre. That's it! any road tax is included. 91 is around $1.45/l The i30 with it's little 1600 turbo diesel has averaged 5.5l/100km over 30,000k of vigorous driving (50mpg)and is quicker than the 2.0litre petrol version, and the Transit, cruising at 120 true still turns in 8.2/100km!
As we do about 50,000km /yr, diesel over here is definitely worthwhile.
In NZ, the stupid RUC is the killer - they should do the same as here - include the road tax in the fuel, and vehicles over 4.5t pay extra ....

[unstuck]

The answer is obvious really... you need one of these:

Damn thats ugly.:sick:

[dangerous]

Damn thats ugly.:sick: yip... and what use does that have in NZ




In NZ, the stupid RUC is the killer - they should do the same as here - include the road tax in the fuel, and vehicles over 4.5t pay extra ....welll DUH... they make way to much from charging all RUC, it wont ever change.



buy a new one and ditch it when the warranty endsOHHHHHH YEAH... but know my last one cost 20k insurance gave me 7k, less the gearbox that went on the visa means I have 3k...

[vifferman]

Did you spnd $44K on buying it tho?
Buying what?:confused:
The WankerMobile cost me $17k (sold it for $1500), and the PissHat was... cheaper'n a brand-new one. :shutup: Although my Mum had to die in order for me to have the money to buy it.:devil2:


I have to say the smell & noise of a diesel is pretty revolting.
Actual, the PissHat doesn't make much smell at all, courtesy of very efficient and frugal electronic injection, AND a very effective DPF, which produces less emissions than a petroleum fueled car.
Yeah, it sounds a bit spack, but I can't hear it from inside the car coz it's pretty quiet.

[dangerous]

which produces less emissions than a petroleum fueled car. AND this is what I dont farking get... corect me if I am wrong, but does a diesels fumes not have less chemical polutents than petrol fumes?
So why are modern diesel so frounded upon... just cos you can see it dosnt mean its worse

[scumdog]

The answer is obvious really... you need one of these: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auction-619148640.htm

Oh yeah!

A 'cowboy Cadillac'!:woohoo:

[unstuck]

Oh yeah!

A 'cowboy Cadillac'!:woohoo:

But your weird, so you would like it.:Punk::Punk:

[jonbuoy]

Did you spnd $44K on buying it tho?

I have to say the smell & noise of a diesel is pretty revolting.
The smell & noise of a V8 is fricking horny tho.

That landy looks the biz Flip. That is what i'm kinda after - old school looks/ feel but with newer engine efficiency. This is all cloud talk but I like dreaming about different wagons. The local plumber has an old 1949ish Chrysler panel truck. Very cool.

There are a few people in the the UK that do engine conversion kits for series landrovers - must be some in Ozzie too that would cut down on shipping?

http://engine-conversion.com/content/view/14/28/

http://www.mdengineering.co.uk/index.php?act=category&cat_id=2

[Gremlin]

yip... and what use does that have in NZ
You'd have to live in Auckland to understand... I'd love to roll over some of the idiots on the road (red light runners, change lane without indicating etc), then yell I didn't seem them :lol:

Parking on the other hand may be a tad difficult :brick:

[Indiana_Jones]

I've been looking at getting a diesel, would really love to import a Rover 75 estate in diesel, but silly emission standards won't let me :(

I'd get a Ford Fiesta diesel, but can't carry much baby stuff in that.

-Indy

[Gremlin]

I'd get a Ford Fiesta diesel, but can't carry much baby stuff in that.
Boss had one of those Fiestas, top of the line diesel, only liked BP Diesel Ultimate. Could get 3-4L/100km trundling along the motorway with a slight downhill.

Got bored of that tho, so now has a very petrol Mazda MPS :laugh:

[Indiana_Jones]

Fair enough, if I were just looking at a toy for myself, I'd get a petrol car most likely.

But looking around for a family car that's good on the hills around town.

-Indy

[Padmei]

I've been looking at getting a diesel, would really love to import a Rover 75 estate in diesel, but silly emission standards won't let me :(

I'd get a Ford Fiesta diesel, but can't carry much baby stuff in that.

-Indy

You're a pom right?

[Indiana_Jones]

You're a pom right?

Only a little bit.

-Indy

[JimO]

Only a little bit.

-Indy
it only takes a littlebit

[Indiana_Jones]

it only takes a littlebit

Pretty much.

You could get the 75 estate landed for around $7000 I reckon, but the bastards want it to meet E4 emissions, even though E4 wasn't in force at the time when the car was first made.

Interestingly petrol cars only have to meet E3.

According to a UK source, 15 diesels were sold new here, so you can imagine they're far and few between.

-Indy

[vifferman]

So why are modern diesel so frounded upon... just cos you can see it dosnt mean its worse
But are modern diesels frowned upon? And properly tuned/maintained diesels don't emit visible fumes anyway (especially with a particulate filter).
The thing that's a real piss-off though, is the gubmint pinging diesel owners with extra RUCs, and lumping all diesel vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes into one class, just so the tax take between petrol and diesel powered vehicles is "comparable". So much for caring about a clean, green image and improving the balance of payments by encouraging people to own more fuel-efficient cars. So, I get 1300km at least per tank of dieseleum, not trying especially hard to be economical, then pay $65 or so in RUCs for that, same as a 3 tonne truck. Luckily, the dealer paid for my first 4000km or so of RUCs, so I'm temporarily saving some coinage. And it's nice going on a long trip and not having to worry about filling up before I set off.

[Ocean1]

The thing that's a real piss-off though, is the gubmint pinging diesel owners with extra RUCs, and lumping all diesel vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes into one class, just so the tax take between petrol and diesel powered vehicles is "comparable". So much for caring about a clean, green image and improving the balance of payments by encouraging people to own more fuel-efficient cars.

Exactly.

Although someone said just today that they'd heard there were moves afoot to change the RUC thing.

Anyone heard?

[BMWST?]

Exactly.

Although someone said just today that they'd heard there were moves afoot to change the RUC thing.

Anyone heard?

its been changed recently where the weight classes were rationalized,which made the ownership of smaller diesels even less relevant.I think i pay the same ruc as my brother does in his 4.5 litre 2+ tonne landcruiser.Havent heard anything re more changes

[Ocean1]

its been changed recently where the weight classes were rationalized,which made the ownership of smaller diesels even less relevant.I think i pay the same ruc as my brother does in his 4.5 litre 2+ tonne landcruiser.Havent heard anything re more changes

Ah, that'll be it.

I really must get around to installing that switch on the odo. Anyone know how to do that without fucking up the signals to the transmission ?

Edit: on a Toyota Granvia/Regius/Hiace thingie.

[BMWST?]

I see the ruc has gone up again,1 july,now nearly 6 cents kilometre for the first band,< 3500 kg,small diesels even more penalised

[Ocean1]

I see the ruc has gone up again,1 july,now nearly 6 cents kilometre for the first band,< 3500 kg,small diesels even more penalised


I really must get around to installing that switch on the odo. Anyone know how to do that without fucking up the signals to the transmission on a Toyota Granvia/Regius/Hiace thingie?

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