False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[flyingcrocodile46]

Organised by the UK and authorised by the US.

Follow the trail of breadcrumbs and you see the whole picture appear as plain as day.

1. Syria in the News
Declarations from US that they will respond with force to a chemical attack used against their (Syria's) own citizens. This happens around the same time as reports surface of small scale chemical attacks near Damascus which the UN found that rebel forces were behind. Even though the US still states the rebels are not capable of launching a chemical attack. You can easily find news material covering this with a quick Google search.

2. An article on the Daily Mail vanishes shortly after being published
In January of this year (8 months ago) the Daily Mail published an article that details email leaks from UK Defence contractors that claims they have been approached to stage a chemical attack in Syria to blame Assad's forces in order to justify military intervention. This report mysteriously disappears from the website (not a redaction or correction, but completely vanishes). Luckily the Internet archives everything created on it so you can still access the article here
http://web.archive.org/web/201301292...ame-Assad.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html)
Pay special attention to the email attached in the article which has been verified as authentic from industry insiders.

3. The smoking gun. Who is behind this.
Now what would be behind this decision and is there any proof? I present you with this article (http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv...nd-rothschild/ (http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/israel-grants-oil-rights-in-syria-to-murdoch-and-rothschild/)) which details the plans of Genie Energy to start Shale Fracking for natural gas in occupied parts of Syria which is illegal for nations to do in conflict regions without approval of the nation.
Who's on the board of Genie Energy you might ask? Well, Rupert Murdoch, Lord Jacob Rothschild, and Dick Cheney just to name a few. Wouldn't surprise me if David Cameron, George Bush and Barack Obama were on the board too.

Now it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the major conflict of interest here nor the reasons for justifying such horrors on the people of Syria. For a full breakdown please refer to the following articles.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=77999

http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted...-assad/5339178 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178)

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...y-mail-website (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79175-why-has-this-massive-story-of-global-importance-been-removed-from-the-daily-mail-website)
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[SMOKEU]

It doesn't surprise me. Obama is a snackbarist in disguise.

[Road kill]

It doesn't surprise me. Obama is a snackbarist in disguise.

Why do you say that ?

[Jantar]

As I understand it the Syrian govt forces are Hezbollah and Iran influenced against the rebel forces which are Al-Qaeda influenced. So it looks like Obama really wants to support Al-Qaeda :(

[Laava]

None of what is happening there is convincingly believable incl the OP. leave the fuckers to it I say.
Funny how it is always the US that is the one stepping in.

[SMOKEU]

Why do you say that ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

[Laava]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

You would have to be both small minded and a bit simple to be sucked into thinking that sensationalist waffle was anything else. It neither proves Obama is a muslim or that the states is becoming a muslim country. If the makers of that tripe wanted to find out if Obama is a practising muslim, they could have just asked him. I am sure he would give an honest answer.
But I am sure that a hate filled racist would fall for this shit every time, as it says what they want to hear.

[SMOKEU]

You would have to be both small minded and a bit simple to be sucked into thinking that sensationalist waffle was anything else. It neither proves Obama is a muslim or that the states is becoming a muslim country. If the makers of that tripe wanted to find out if Obama is a practising muslim, they could have just asked him. I am sure he would give an honest answer.
But I am sure that a hate filled racist would fall for this shit every time, as it says what they want to hear.

Are you really that stupid that you believe every word that every politician says? The fact that he bows down and somewhat embraces snackbarism says enough.

[Laava]

I am very wary of anything politicians say as a rule. You would have to be even more stupid to believe what is portrayed in the video you posted.

[The Reibz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4&list=TLLKdWwcOPadk

Can't imbed it unfortunately

[Laava]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4&list=TLLKdWwcOPadk

Can't imbed it unfortunately

Yawn! Got anything recent?

[paturoa]

Gotta love (another) conspiracy thread.

Seriously though, the "rebels" have the most to gain from a false flag attach on the civilians...

[mashman]

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. There are some seriously malevolent people out there that really don't give a shit about killing thousands of people to assert their fucked up agenda.

[Laava]

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. There are some seriously malevolent people out there that really don't give a shit about killing thousands of people to assert their fucked up agenda.

And it is more likely to be religion motivated than anything else as usual.
Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant etc etc

[george formby]

And it is more likely to be religion motivated than anything else as usual.
Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant etc etc



Commerce has an equal footing IMHO. Those who pull the strings in big business, those who pull the strings in fundamentalism & those who pull the strings in politics have the same goal. Power.
Wealth & control regardless of the means used, it's in our nature.
In every war only a small handful of people are pulling the strings.

[mashman]

And it is more likely to be religion motivated than anything else as usual.
Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant etc etc

Pah... they're small wars for small minds. I'm more concerned about those who covet the Resources and control of governments.

[mashman]

Commerce has an equal footing IMHO. Those who pull the strings in big business, those who pull the strings in fundamentalism & those who pull the strings in politics have the same goal. Power.
Wealth & control regardless of the means used, it's in our nature.
In every war only a small handful of people are pulling the strings.

If it's only a small handful of people craving that power, how can it be our nature? :shifty:

[george formby]

If it's only a small handful of people craving that power, how can it be our nature? :shifty:

Fair call.
We are all driven to a greater or lesser degree by our instincts which are pretty basic & ultimately self serving. Those who are pulling the strings are at the top of the heap they have chosen to climb or been motivated to climb by circumstances.
I read a book a wee while back by a journalist on the Financial Times about the state of the economy in the UK. Something which really struck me was why some people are massively wealthy & powerful. They are just very good at achieving that & are driven to get better. Same as some people can ride bikes really, really fast.
A sobering perspective of basic human nature in adversity & power can be read in "Night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_%28book%29)" by the Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel.
To turn your point on it's head, not wanting to debate, why do so many do the bidding of so few in ignorance?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Fair call.
We are all driven to a greater or lesser degree by our instincts which are pretty basic & ultimately self serving. Those who are pulling the strings are at the top of the heap they have chosen to climb or been motivated to climb by circumstances.
I read a book a wee while back by a journalist on the Financial Times about the state of the economy in the UK. Something which really struck me was why some people are massively wealthy & powerful. They are just very good at achieving that & are driven to get better. Same as some people can ride bikes really, really fast.
A sobering perspective of basic human nature in adversity & power can be read in "Night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_(book))" by the Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel.
To turn your point on it's head, not wanting to debate, why do so many do the bidding of so few in ignorance?

Sorry but that is plain wrong. While it may be true of many middle class who climb the ladder to upper middle class it seldom ever applys to the mega wealthy. They play the game with a heavily stacked deck in the big game and they are sucking the wealth out of the middle class to turn the world into a two class system (or three if you count their dogs)

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yawn! Got anything recent?

It's still ongoing (current affairs), or had you not noticed? Perhaps you need to watch it again to understand it properly.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And it is more likely to be religion motivated than anything else as usual.
Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant etc etc

Religious groups are used as tools by the elite. They fire up each side by stirring up religious differences amongst the sheep (a bombing here or gas attack there) and by more direct instruction and weapon/wealth/power distribution to their pet leaders amongst the religious groups.

[Edbear]

I smell a conspiracy... :rolleyes:

[mashman]

Fair call.
We are all driven to a greater or lesser degree by our instincts which are pretty basic & ultimately self serving. Those who are pulling the strings are at the top of the heap they have chosen to climb or been motivated to climb by circumstances.
I read a book a wee while back by a journalist on the Financial Times about the state of the economy in the UK. Something which really struck me was why some people are massively wealthy & powerful. They are just very good at achieving that & are driven to get better. Same as some people can ride bikes really, really fast.
A sobering perspective of basic human nature in adversity & power can be read in "Night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_%28book%29)" by the Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel.
To turn your point on it's head, not wanting to debate, why do so many do the bidding of so few in ignorance?

I dunno about the ultimately self-serving side of things these days. Once upon a time I would have agreed and certainly given the way society is structured that's generally what we see. Thing is though, as we get older and certain perspectives creep up and bite you on the arse, you start to realise that I am where I am because of other people, as well as at the expense of other people. For me that sheds an entirely different light on people's actions and motivations and I've come to see people more as individuals. How we act in a group doesn't necessarily reflect the person, moreover I see the circumstances under which the person acts defines their behaviour. If you change the circumstances, you can change the behaviour. Those pulling the string are in exactly the same boat as those at the other end of the scale, they're just "indoctrinated" in a different way, have different role models and essentially fulfill the goals that are set for them. That affects how they see other people. Essentially we're all born into different roles that are shaped by our surroundings.

The "ignorant" just want to live their lives and accept what is before them. And they should be allowed to without being made to struggle. These days I think, oh good what the fuck have I allowed to happen.

[mashman]

I smell a conspiracy... :rolleyes:

School has a hierarchy. Religions have a hierarchy. Company's have a hierarchy. Country's have a hierarchy. Why would you think that there isn't a hierarchical group of people orchestrating war for their own ends?

[flyingcrocodile46]

I smell.. :rolleyes:

I know you do.

Of course it's a conspiracy. They're hardly going to advertise their plans of world domination before the kick off eh! You dick

[flyingcrocodile46]

I dunno about the ultimately self-serving side of things these days. Once upon a time I would have agreed and certainly given the way society is structured that's generally what we see. Thing is though, as we get older and certain perspectives creep up and bite you on the arse, you start to realise that I am where I am because of other people, as well as at the expense of other people. For me that sheds an entirely different light on people's actions and motivations and I've come to see people more as individuals. How we act in a group doesn't necessarily reflect the person, moreover I see the circumstances under which the person acts defines their behaviour. If you change the circumstances, you can change the behaviour. Those pulling the string are in exactly the same boat as those at the other end of the scale, they're just "indoctrinated" in a different way, have different role models and essentially fulfill the goals that are set for them. That affects how they see other people. Essentially we're all born into different roles that are shaped by our surroundings.

The "ignorant" just want to live their lives and accept what is before them. And they should be allowed to without being made to struggle. These days I think, oh good what the fuck have I allowed to happen.

Farrrrk! That's an excellent post and attitude/understanding.

[mashman]

Farrrrk! That's an excellent post and attitude/understanding.

The scarey thing is putting yourself in the shoes of those at the top. The utter contempt for people and the justification that ANY action you take must be right because you have been born to "rule". So far I think we're getting off lightly, coz if I was in their position, well, quite seriously, you'd all be fucked given the vast array of "weapons" available. S'ok though, they haven't offered that sort of job ;)

[Berries]

It reads: 'Phil... We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
'We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
'They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
'Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
'Kind regards, David.'
Come on, I am careful about using the F word in work emails. That 'email' rings so many warning bells it is taking the piss.

[Brian d marge]

Commerce has an equal footing IMHO. Those who pull the strings in big business, those who pull the strings in fundamentalism & those who pull the strings in politics have the same goal. Power.
Wealth & control regardless of the means used, it's in our nature.
In every war only a small handful of people are pulling the strings.
mate ,, they cant even keep track of 9 trillion dollars

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Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I dunno about the ultimately self-serving side of things these days. Once upon a time I would have agreed and certainly given the way society is structured that's generally what we see. Thing is though, as we get older and certain perspectives creep up and bite you on the arse, you start to realise that I am where I am because of other people, as well as at the expense of other people. For me that sheds an entirely different light on people's actions and motivations and I've come to see people more as individuals. How we act in a group doesn't necessarily reflect the person, moreover I see the circumstances under which the person acts defines their behaviour. If you change the circumstances, you can change the behaviour. Those pulling the string are in exactly the same boat as those at the other end of the scale, they're just "indoctrinated" in a different way, have different role models and essentially fulfill the goals that are set for them. That affects how they see other people. Essentially we're all born into different roles that are shaped by our surroundings.

The "ignorant" just want to live their lives and accept what is before them. And they should be allowed to without being made to struggle. These days I think, oh good what the fuck have I allowed to happen.

Mexican , five families a case study

How many time do I need to repeat things .,...ahhhhhhhhdggggggg

yes, your social boundary’s , complete u as a person. In every strata of society

this is just a symptom of the cause, fix the cause and the symptoms will ( maybe ) disappear

In a gardern of 4 million people NOBODY should be pushing sh1t up hill

so why are" quite a few pushing" poo up hill?

because they lack the skills , will , to manipulate the situation(s) to benefit themselves , ( Maybe their priorities are else where as such as looking after their sick mom , or trying to keep up on the cutting chain with a blunt knife )

I wouldn’t use the word ignorant , fat kid and blue sea aren’t ignorant , just scared

Stephen

[pzkpfw]

Come on, I am careful about using the F word in work emails. That 'email' rings so many warning bells it is taking the piss.

Reminds me of the email claiming to be from a Pilot, talking about the chemtrails he's spraying.

False flag? Heck, anyone can fake an email.

[mashman]

Mexican , five families a case study

How many time do I need to repeat things .,...ahhhhhhhhdggggggg

yes, your social boundary’s , complete u as a person. In every strata of society

this is just a symptom of the cause, fix the cause and the symptoms will ( maybe ) disappear

In a gardern of 4 million people NOBODY should be pushing sh1t up hill

so why are" quite a few pushing" poo up hill?

because they lack the skills , will , to manipulate the situation(s) to benefit themselves , ( Maybe their priorities are else where as such as looking after their sick mom , or trying to keep up on the cutting chain with a blunt knife )

I wouldn’t use the word ignorant , fat kid and blue sea aren’t ignorant , just scared

Stephen

Aye, culling the primary cause would go a loooooooong way. The primary cause is simple. Budget constraint.

Some people don't have time to pick up the skills, well, when I say time, I mean that they're too busy working to keep food on the table to decide to plunge themselves into debt where there is no guarantee that there is a job at the other end of it.

Some can buy chemical weapons and pay off the right people to make a serious fuckin mess on the other side of the planet and some will thieve to get the latest iPad (which would require money otherwise)... only 1 of those activities is legally accepted by the global community. I can afford the latest iPad, but I'd love to have the cash to tip my hat into the world domination ring, looks like that could be more fun that Tetris :wacko:

[Oscar]

Organised by the UK and authorised by the US.

Follow the trail of breadcrumbs and you see the whole picture appear as plain as day.

1. Syria in the News
Declarations from US that they will respond with force to a chemical attack used against their (Syria's) own citizens. This happens around the same time as reports surface of small scale chemical attacks near Damascus which the UN found that rebel forces were behind. Even though the US still states the rebels are not capable of launching a chemical attack. You can easily find news material covering this with a quick Google search.

2. An article on the Daily Mail vanishes shortly after being published
In January of this year (8 months ago) the Daily Mail published an article that details email leaks from UK Defence contractors that claims they have been approached to stage a chemical attack in Syria to blame Assad's forces in order to justify military intervention. This report mysteriously disappears from the website (not a redaction or correction, but completely vanishes). Luckily the Internet archives everything created on it so you can still access the article here
http://web.archive.org/web/201301292...ame-Assad.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html)
Pay special attention to the email attached in the article which has been verified as authentic from industry insiders.

3. The smoking gun. Who is behind this.
Now what would be behind this decision and is there any proof? I present you with this article (http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv...nd-rothschild/ (http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/israel-grants-oil-rights-in-syria-to-murdoch-and-rothschild/)) which details the plans of Genie Energy to start Shale Fracking for natural gas in occupied parts of Syria which is illegal for nations to do in conflict regions without approval of the nation.
Who's on the board of Genie Energy you might ask? Well, Rupert Murdoch, Lord Jacob Rothschild, and Dick Cheney just to name a few. Wouldn't surprise me if David Cameron, George Bush and Barack Obama were on the board too.

Now it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the major conflict of interest here nor the reasons for justifying such horrors on the people of Syria. For a full breakdown please refer to the following articles.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=77999

http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted...-assad/5339178 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178)

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...y-mail-website (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79175-why-has-this-massive-story-of-global-importance-been-removed-from-the-daily-mail-website)
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If it's a false flag attack, why did the Syrians wait 48 hours (i.e. long enough for most of the evidence to have dissipated) before allowing UN inspectors to go in?
Would it not be in their interest to prove the attack was gas?

Notwithtsanding that, reports coming out of the ME name Assad's brother as being responsible.
This is another, more plausible explanation - Assad has lost control of his military.

[imdying]

Not ignoring it, not sheep, just don't care. The US are killing arabs, how is this news?

[george formby]

Mashman, #23, I totally agree. I spend far too much time dwelling on humanity & history, good & bad, to have rigid opinions or solutions but we are lucky enough to have optimism.

Any hoo. Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Libya, Bharain.. F'kin scary!

[flyingcrocodile46]

If it's a false flag attack, why did the Syrians wait 48 hours (i.e. long enough for most of the evidence to have dissipated) before allowing UN inspectors to go in?
Would it not be in their interest to prove the attack was gas?

Notwithtsanding that, reports coming out of the ME name Assad's brother as being responsible.
This is another, more plausible explanation - Assad has lost control of his military.
Most scenarios can be described as plausible. The trick is to figure out what is the most probable. A better question would be.. why did they wait until 2 days after the arrival of the UN chemical weapons investigators (who they invited) before supposedly releasing a chemical gas attack.:yes:

[SPman]

Most scenarios can be described as plausible. The trick is to figure out what is the most probable. A better question would be.. why did they wait until 2 days after the arrival of the UN chemical weapons investigators (who they invited) before supposedly releasing a chemical gas attack.:yes: It's a nasty vicious shit fight with both sides playing for high stakes and stopping at nothing to slaughter and blame the other"side", whilst "the West" hovers like a vulture, waiting for, or scheming to manufacture an opportunity for an opening to step in and take control - just like Iraq, etc etc. For the US to blame Al Quaida as the mortal enemy, then provide them with arms, because it suits them, shows the level to which they will all stoop. False flag event - quite probable.


If the makers of that tripe wanted to find out if Obama is a practising muslim......, Obama is a practising corporate globalist, by design or more likely, by "persuasion"!

[Oscar]

It's a nasty vicious shit fight with both sides playing for high stakes and stopping at nothing to slaughter and blame the other"side", whilst "the West" hovers like a vulture, waiting for, or scheming to manufacture an opportunity for an opening to step in and take control - just like Iraq, etc etc. For the US to blame Al Quaida as the mortal enemy, then provide them with arms, because it suits them, shows the level to which they will all stoop. False flag event - quite probable.

Obama is a practising corporate globalist, by design or more likely, by "persuasion"!

After what happened in Iraq, Afganistan & Libya, I find it very hard to believe that the US, UK or any of the NATO allies would have the stomach for another war.
At the most, we'll see a no fly zone and a few cruise missiles lobbed at infrastructure which may even the odds.

[SPman]

After what happened in Iraq, Afganistan & Libya, I find it very hard to believe that the US, UK or any of the NATO allies would have the stomach for another war.
At the most, we'll see a no fly zone and a few cruise missiles lobbed at infrastructure which may even the odds.
Yeah - Obama has said he is a bit reluctant, and is dragging the chain a bit (for him)....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35964.htm

[Oscar]

Yeah - Obama has said he is a bit reluctant, and is dragging the chain a bit (for him)....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35964.htm

Russian reports that Syrian Soldiers found a rebel chemical weapon manufacturing plant?
That's jolly convenient, isn't it?
Aren't those rebels clever?

In the meantime, the only country in the region known to have a large chemical weapons stockpile is............Syria.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Russian reports that Syrian Soldiers found a rebel chemical weapon manufacturing plant?
That's jolly convenient, isn't it?
Aren't those rebels clever?

In the meantime, the only country in the region known to have a large chemical weapons stockpile is............Syria.

I understood that nobody really knew what Syria has in the way of chemical weapons. I wouldn't take that bit of info too seriously unless you are very confident in your source of information.

It seems that none are entirely truthful. We only have to look at recent historical claims about WMD's in Iraq to understand how little faith we should place in the most reputable of misinformation sources to understand what value should be placed on such claims.

I don't believe US claims that the rebels don't have the wherewithal to manufacture chemical weapons. Just how hard is it to pack a few chemicals into a mortar or suitcase bomb? The Japanese subway experience with Sarin gas is a pretty clear indicator that you can cook up and deliver chemical weapons without any military or industry... or even chemists.

[Oscar]

I understood that nobody really knew what Syria has in the way of chemical weapons. I wouldn't take that bit of info too seriously unless you are very confident in your source of information.

It seems that none are entirely truthful. We only have to look at recent historical claims about WMD's in Iraq to understand how little faith we should place in the most reputable of misinformation sources to understand what value should be placed on such claims.

I don't believe US claims that the rebels don't have the wherewithal to manufacture chemical weapons. Just how hard is it to pack a few chemicals into a mortar or suitcase bomb? The Japanese subway experience with Sarin gas is a pretty clear indicator that you can cook up and deliver chemical weapons without any military or industry... or even chemists.

Syria has been building chemical weapons for thirty years (with help from companies in Holland, Switzerland, France, Austria and Germany) to counter the Israeli nuke programme.

I have no doubt that basic chemicla weapons are no hard to make. There is also the fact that the rebels captured one of Syria's manufacturing plants early in the war.

So yes, I accept that the rebels could have them, and may have used them.
However the inference here is that neither the rebels or Assad used the weapons, it was the US.
I just don't believe that the US is that keen to get involved in another war.
Hell, even Septics must learn sometimes - they just haven't had one of these things go well for them. You can go all the way back to Vietnam, through to Kosovo, Somalia, Irag and Afganistan.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Syria has been building chemical weapons for thirty years (with help from companies in Holland, Switzerland, France, Austria and Germany) to counter the Israeli nuke programme.

I have no doubt that basic chemicla weapons are no hard to make. There is also the fact that the rebels captured one of Syria's manufacturing plants early in the war.

So yes, I accept that the rebels could have them, and may have used them.
However the inference here is that neither the rebels or Assad used the weapons, it was the US.
I just don't believe that the US is that keen to get involved in another war.
Hell, even Septics must learn sometimes - they just haven't had one of these things go well for them. You can go all the way back to Vietnam, through to Kosovo, Somalia, Irag and Afganistan.

You can go back hundreds of years before that to see the same formula at work. They will do whatever needs to be done and now they have perfected drone attacks they don't need to worry so much about adverse voter reaction to American deaths and with the NSA spying programs and new detention laws, they can identify and deal with dissenters much easier. I think their patience is more about convincing the international community that they are acting for the best. That is why I believe it is important to get the hypocrisy and lies relating to the topic into the spotlight.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Interesting watching the news earlier when it was announced that "senior govt officials" announced that they believe it is 'beyond doubt' that Assad used the chemical weapons. Yet there was no mention of 'who' the "senior govt officials" are or what evidence they were basing their bullshit opinions on.:rolleyes: In the very same breath it is announced that Assad delaying the UN chemical investigators access by 48 hours has resulted in degradation and removal of the evidence making it unlikely that the investigation will be able to determine the source of the chemicals. :rolleyes:

A short time later in the interview it was stated that it was likely that decisions on action would be delayed until the UN inspectors can conclusively confirm the source of the weapons (what happened to the degradation of the evidence rendering it useless and what happened to the worth of thier evidence that is "beyond doubt"???) :rolleyes:.

I'm guessing that they are full of shit and are hoping that the inspectors are better paid than they were last time (in May) or that the culprits did a better job of planting evidence for this attack than they did the previous time (in May) when the UN inspectors confirmed that it appeared most likely that the rebels were responsible for the chemical attacks. :rolleyes:

FFS how many contradictions do they need to make in order to discredit their bullshit. Lets not forget that these are the same murdering fucking arseholes that kept maintaining that they had indisputable evidence that Saddam had WMD's as an excuse to invade Iraq and kill more Iraqis than Saddam ever did,... (Which was a total fucking fabrication of bullshit lies), and they used depleted uranium in explosives and bullets to irradiate the the countries food and drinking water and cause massive increases in a wide range of cancers and birth deformities (how the fuck is that any less of a sin than using chemical weapons?). That ain't opinion, it is recent history. Murdering fucking scum.


http://youtu.be/PRvfl-RL718

[SPman]

Interesting article on "depleted" Uranium and it's use here:-

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/266-32/19069-focus-war-crimes-are-us


On Syria - http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/26/syria-another-western-war-crime-in-the-making-paul-craig-roberts/ (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/26/syria-another-western-war-crime-in-the-making-paul-craig-roberts/)

[Voltaire]

I found a book that the old man had called " A Nation of Sheep" thinking it will be about farming, no it was about the US Government and what they got up to in the 40's and 50's.

http://www.roadtopeace.org/?itemid=824

When they say " Govt Officials" then mean they made it up.

So when you going off on your Crusade Croc?

[Big Dave]

Baaaaaaaaaaa.

[PrincessBandit]

Nothing new. Smoke and mirrors, deception and lying are what successive governments in countries around the world have been doing for centuries.

The U.S. is probably in one of the shittiest positions to be in - a superpower that other countries bleat to when things turn to shit in their back yard but then also conveniently blame when things don't get done how they want it to be handled.

[Laava]

I found a book that the old man had called " A Nation of Sheep" thinking it will be about farming, no it was about the US Government and what they got up to in the 40's and 50's.

http://www.roadtopeace.org/?itemid=824

When they say " Govt Officials" then mean they made it up.

So when you going off on your Crusade Croc?

No one expects the Croc Crusades!( best Monty Python voice)

[flyingcrocodile46]

I found a book that the old man had called " A Nation of Sheep" thinking it will be about farming, no it was about the US Government and what they got up to in the 40's and 50's.

http://www.roadtopeace.org/?itemid=824

When they say " Govt Officials" then mean they made it up.

So when you going off on your Crusade Croc?

It's all bullshit John. Just watch as it unfolds.

No travel plans, I'll be happier where I am .. for as long as it doesn't come here.

[puddytat]

Some kind of rumour going around about the Saudis & Russia secret meetings, Syrian Ports,Russian & Middle eastern oil, Chechen rebels & the Olympic Games. Oil up by 15 bucks because of it......:wait:

[Oscar]

Some kind of rumour going around about the Saudis & Russia secret meetings, Syrian Ports,Russian & Middle eastern oil, Chechen rebels & the Olympic Games. Oil up by 15 bucks because of it......:wait:

I think you'll find oil went up because of the US/UK & French saber rattling.

[mashman]

Perhaps it's as simple as the US needing gold as the Chermans have been screaming for theirs back and the US is having problems returning it.

Since the outbreak of the Syrian civil war, it has been reported that Syria's gold reserves have been cut in half from the pre-civil war amount of around $17 billion, due to the Syrian government resorting to selling off its reserves as a way of coping with international sanctions.[7] The Governor of the Central Bank of Syria Adib Mayalah has sought to deny these reports.[8] This is similar to how the Syrian government is having to use up its foreign reserves to meet the demands of a budget deficit which has greatly increased to around $6.7 Billion USD.[9]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_Syria)

OR

It could simply be that the money men are going after the banks (http://www.blacklistednews.com/Next_Phase_of_Syrian_Invasion_Begins_--_The_Central_Bank_Connection/26817/0/38/38/Y/M.html)... something they have been doing one country at a time for some considerable time. Quite an interesting read imho. Engineer an excuse to go to war, kill thousands of people, but ya getz what ya went there for in the first place. Scumbags.

[Paul in NZ]

It could simply be that the money men are going after the banks (http://www.blacklistednews.com/Next_Phase_of_Syrian_Invasion_Begins_--_The_Central_Bank_Connection/26817/0/38/38/Y/M.html)... something they have been doing one country at a time for some considerable time. Quite an interesting read imho. Engineer an excuse to go to war, kill thousands of people, but ya getz what ya went there for in the first place. Scumbags.

Or - running a decent war costs quite a lot....

[mashman]

Or - running a decent war costs quite a lot....

Love the oxymoron re: decent war.

[puddytat]

Aaah, found something about Russia & the Saudis.....
http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/saudis-offer-russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-syria-20130827-2smvt.html

As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/saudis-offer-russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-syria-20130827-2smvt.html#ixzz2dDkHlfh3

[HenryDorsetCase]

a88Z7YOh_us

I'm with Ripley

Isnt a lot of our oil stored for safekeeping under their silly desert?

[Crasherfromwayback]

The U.S. is probably in one of the shittiest positions to be in - a superpower that other countries bleat to when things turn to shit in their back yard but then also conveniently blame when things don't get done how they want it to be handled.

Couldn't agree more. Rock and a hard place for sure. The UN are that toothless they won't do a fucking thing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Couldn't agree more. Rock and a hard place for sure. The UN are that toothless they won't do a fucking thing.

BECAUSE two of the permanent members of the UN Security council are diametrically opposed as to how to proceed.

Syria's only ally is Russia. Russia is only interested in Syria because that port is its only base in the area (and I can't remember but it might be their ONLY port on that side of the continent that isnt ice-bound nine months of the year).

Thus, the UN will not act.

Therefore, Uncle Sam likely will. Hopefully not more adventuring in the Middle East because it hasn't really worked out so well over the last um, tow hundred years, for anyone.

And a regime change gets you nothing.... look at Egypt. No winners there either: you either have a military dictatorship, OR a bunch of fuckwad religious zealots.

EVERY DAY I wake up and am grateful I can live in the South Pacific Socialist Paradise, where I can express my atheistic tendencies vehemently, and I can pretty much within reason be a member of a civil society. Sure, its not perfect, and I have pretty definite opinions about a lot of things, but don't misunderstand: I'd rather live here than anywhere else in the world.

[Crasherfromwayback]

BECAUSE two of the permanent members of the UN Security council are diametrically opposed as to how to proceed.

Syria's only ally is Russia. Russia is only interested in Syria because that port is its only base in the area (and I can't remember but it might be their ONLY port on that side of the continent that isnt ice-bound nine months of the year).

Thus, the UN will not act.

Therefore, Uncle Sam likely will. Hopefully not more adventuring in the Middle East because it hasn't really worked out so well over the last um, tow hundred years, for anyone.

And a regime change gets you nothing.... look at Egypt. No winners there either: you either have a military dictatorship, OR a bunch of fuckwad religious zealots.

EVERY DAY I wake up and am grateful I can live in the South Pacific Socialist Paradise, where I can express my atheistic tendencies vehemently, and I can pretty much within reason be a member of a civil society. Sure, its not perfect, and I have pretty definite opinions about a lot of things, but don't misunderstand: I'd rather live here than anywhere else in the world.

Yeah I fully understand all of that...and couldn't agree with you more re living here mate!

[jonbuoy]

Has there ever been a transition from Monarchy Rule/Dictatorship that hasn´t ended in civil war/unrest. These countries have been relatively "peaceful" internally because someone had a foot on their throats - take that foot off and all that frustration will come boiling out. Hopefully it will be worth it in the long run for them.

[george formby]

Robert Fisk's column in the Independent yesterday. HERE (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/does-obama-know-hes-fighting-on-alqaidas-side-8786680.html)

He seems to have two eyes attached to a brain & appears to be humanist. Read a book of his "The war for civilisation". Bit of an eye opener to say the least.

The plot thickens.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Robert Fisk's column in the Independent yesterday. HERE (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/does-obama-know-hes-fighting-on-alqaidas-side-8786680.html)

He seems to have two eyes attached to a brain & appears to be humanist. Read a book of his "The war for civilisation". Bit of an eye opener to say the least.

The plot thickens.

Either way the whole area is a serious cluster fuck.

[george formby]

Either way the whole area is a serious cluster fuck.


Yup, that's exactly what that book was about. His comments in the book, a few years old now, are proving to very prescient.

[flyingcrocodile46]

One thing that may come of this is sustained increases in oil costs. That would help add some profit to the operations of competing reserves which have more expensive oil extraction costs.


In further news it appears that the leaked emails (hacked from Britam Defence) outlining plans to fake a chemical weapons attack to frame Assad were themselves faked.

Watch video for details of who discovered the fraud and how it was discovered.
http://youtu.be/6R7knc-G360

(http://youtu.be/6R7knc-G360)
http://youtu.be/6R7knc-G360 (http://youtu.be/6R7knc-G360)
(http://youtu.be/6R7knc-G360)

[flyingcrocodile46]

Speaking of fraud, I hear that the irrefutable evidence that Obama is relying on to prove Assad used the chemical weapons comes directly from mossad special communications interception teams http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif


Better news is that there are indications that both Obama and Cameron are under pressure from public opinion (polls in the US http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/cool.gif and people on their feet in the UK). Obama is now rather waveringly making talk about the security risk that Syrian chemical weapons pose to the US in the event that they should "fall into the wrong hands" as some sort of justification for actionhttp://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif.

Maybe a vote in UK tonight to rule out any UK involvement in military actions not sanctioned by the UN http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/xsmilie_pray.gif

[pzkpfw]

Is there any doubt civilians were gassed? No?

In that case, I don't even care who "did it": it just needs to be stopped.

If the people who say "the West should stay out of it, leave them to sort it out themselves" are right; then it doesn't matter, either, if Western intervention does or does not result in a change in the balance of power.

And the Western forces are not going to send planes to bomb cities WWII style, a-la Rotterdam, Coventry, Darwin, Tokyo, Dresden etc; they will be using precision guided weapons to target high-value Government and military targets. Thus, I still don't particularly care.



We can spend the rest of the year gazing at our navels wondering whose intelligence is real and whose is faked, and what's false-flag and what's real.

In the meantime, more civilians get killed.

[SPman]

You imagine civilians won't be killed in "precision air strikes"?

"Collateral damage" has never been high on the list of priorities to avoid..........by any of the forces involved......

[mashman]

We can spend the rest of the year gazing at our navels wondering whose intelligence is real and whose is faked, and what's false-flag and what's real.

In the meantime, more civilians get killed.

+1............

[Laava]

We can spend the rest of the year gazing at our navels wondering whose intelligence is real and whose is faked, and what's false-flag and what's real.

In the meantime, more civilians get killed.

Sadly, you need to get used to it because there is nothing that you or I or the US can do to stop it.
It has been going on for ever and will continue, in many more countries as it currently is. Why is the US not diving into places like Liberia where human rights are non existant?

[Katman]

Why is the US not diving into places like Liberia where human rights are non existant?

Just as they sat back and did nothing during the genocide in Rwanda.

Regardless of who was responsible for the chemical attacks you can be sure that if America becomes involved, it has an ulterior motive for doing so.

The idea that America tries to present itself as some sort of international peacemaker is laughable.

[Crasherfromwayback]

In the meantime, more civilians get killed.

I have a nasty feeling that if the Yanks get involved even more might die though. And not just in Syria.

[flyingcrocodile46]

A very interesting look at some very complicated motivations involving several countries and their interests in Syria.


http://youtu.be/cCdaExnIpGs

[carbonhed]

A very interesting look at some very complicated motivations involving several countries and their interests in Syria.



Somebody seriously needs to buy that prick some contact lenses... I was getting a headache just looking at his pin head.

I thought the MSM was lame but after wading through the entirety of this low brow drivel I hold them in new esteem.

Russia, who supplies Europe with most of it's gas is supporting Syria so that it can build a pipeline to flood the European market with Iranian gas... while Israel wants to sell Europe gas and Europe sits on vast quantities of unconventional gas and Qatar wants to sell really expensive LNG so it's funding the destabiliisation of Syria and it's all Americas fault.

Well that clears everything up then.

[Hinny]

Syria and Iran came into the gunsights when they signed a deal to build a pipeline through Pakistan to India in competition with the Yanks pipeline from Turkmenistan which they were fighting a protracted war in Afghanistan over.
One can imagine how pissed off they would be when that deal was made.

Cameron in Parliament was in full blood lust mode again I saw. There is something very seriously wrong with that man. Some might suggest he is a Sociopath and they wouldn't get any arguement from me. Seems rather deranged.
I was very relieved that the majority of the house of commons could see the sense in not bombing and killing people because somebody had bombed and killed their families.
The suggestion that it was the Syrian govt. seems absurd given the circumstances.
Simple test is who has the most to gain.
US story tellers are at it again.
First they are saying this is the first time chemical weapons have been used in Syria. - They seemed to forget about the terrorists using chemical weapons a year ago.
Today they are saying this is the fourteenth time chemical weapons have been used in the last year.
It seems the US administration is populated with pathological liars.
I am very disappointed in John Kerry - the hero of the anti Vietnam war movement - today a bizarre Hawk venting blood lust. Similarly for the 'Nobel Peace Prize' winner.
What changes these people?
Do they get brainwashed or re-programmed? Something slipped into their food or drink and then their brains get fucked with.
I find the conception, that they change their thinking to the opposite of how they used to think, quite unbelievable.

[ducatilover]

Konspiracy Biker, a place for all yer' ahmmmadilla hats and tinfoil slippers.

[kinger]

A. Precision bombing? that was why bomb sights were developed and considered the most accurate method of their day. Carpet bombing was a deliberate action.
B. The "Rebels" aren't farmers with shotguns and crossbows.
C. Cameron..........turning out to be as bad as Blair but with worse dress sense.
D. Stop watching the news. You can't do anything about it so stop worrying. If you're gonna get blown up, you don't need to know in advance.
E. Breezy but fine. i'm off snowboarding for the day.

[BoristheBiter]

Organised by the UK and authorised by the US.

_

Do you feel a bit of a twat now since the UK has decided not to do anything?

(sorry if someone has already said as I can't be bothered with reading)

[flyingcrocodile46]

Do you feel a bit of a twat now since the UK has decided not to do anything?

(sorry if someone has already said as I can't be bothered with reading)

Ah! No. I am decidedly happy now.. squeaky hinges and all that.

What sort of a fool are you that you would think that not doing something in the future in any way changes the intent of things that have already been done?

[BoristheBiter]

Ah! No. I am decidedly happy now.. squeaky hinges and all that.

What sort of a fool are you that you would think that not doing something in the future in any way changes the intent of things that have already been done?

The one without the tinfoil hat on.

[flyingcrocodile46]

The one without the tinfoil hat on.

News flash. You don't need tin foil hats to discuss actual facts, potential decisions and the basis for them when it's all about information that is widely broadcast throughout the public arena.

Though you do need some comprehension skills and you need to educate yourself about what is going on in the world in order to understand the issues so as to avoid opening your mouth and making an ass of yourself by inferring that a person might feel embarrassed because a political decision was made not to proceed with an unpopular action that the person disagreed with.

No, you definitely wouldn't want to do something dumb like that because it would highlight what a total moron you were that you could even think of something so ridiculously absurd. It simply beggars belief that anyone could be so stupid. Congratulations on your fine effort to further illuminate your fucktardery.

[ducatilover]

actual facts


Sourced from the internet, full of conspiracy theorists wafflings?
Why must everything be a conspiracy?
And I do think Murka needs to sit the fuck down and/or fuck off for a change, dirty hamburger gobbling wankers.

[mashman]

Sourced from the internet, full of conspiracy theorists wafflings?
Why must everything be a conspiracy?
And I do think Murka needs to sit the fuck down and/or fuck off for a change, dirty hamburger gobbling wankers.

As opposed to hearing wafflings from the tv, radio, public meetings, tom tom drums, official documents etc...
HTFU Pussy.

[Wiki Drifter]

George Galloway & Putin nailed it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgxzpQrqSkg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUyPpT0_8Gg

[ducatilover]

As opposed to hearing wafflings from the tv, radio, public meetings, tom tom drums, official documents etc...
HTFU Pussy.

:devil2: You're all so fun. War is teh ghey, but wouldn't you expect people smart enough to run a country would be smart enough to hide some fuckery conspirator twaddle from avg. Joseph Blogger?

[mashman]

:devil2: You're all so fun. War is teh ghey, but wouldn't you expect people smart enough to run a country would be smart enough to hide some fuckery conspirator twaddle from avg. Joseph Blogger?

They hide it in amongst the twaddle. Perfectly secret. Who gives a shit who the source is, it's the content that is to be judged?

[ducatilover]

They hide it in amongst the twaddle. Perfectly secret. Who gives a shit who the source is, it's the content that is to be judged?

Touche, good sir.

It's all greenpeace trying to secure the world, for the greater good. End of story.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Sourced from the internet, full of conspiracy theorists wafflings?
Why must everything be a conspiracy?
And I do think Murka needs to sit the fuck down and/or fuck off for a change, dirty hamburger gobbling wankers.

Because pretty much everything is.

Whenever two or more parties make undisclosed plans that involve other parties, they are conspiring. It doesn't have to be a dirty word to be true.

[ducatilover]

Because pretty much everything is.

Whenever two or more parties make undisclosed plans that involve other parties, they are conspiring. It doesn't have to be a dirty word to be true.

I still like my theory better. And I made the claim on the internet, ergo it is true. Tell your mates

[flyingcrocodile46]

George Galloway & Putin nailed it.


Yes indeedy. Love Galloway, he is a legend when it comes to crucifying liars.

Putin really needs to learn to use English in his interviews.

It seems like the translation word count was a lot higher than the movement of Putin's lips suggested....

[mashman]

Touche, good sir.

It's all greenpeace trying to secure the world, for the greater good. End of story.

Cool. Maybe they can be reasoned with.

[ducatilover]

Cool. Maybe they can be reasoned with.

You're no fun any more. I'll still vote for you though.

[Laava]

Gonna be interesting to see how this pans out. The pressure on Obama is enormous. The Brits no longer have his back for an invasion and he personally has the job of stating what has happened to the people of america, and the rest of the interested world, and what they are going to do about it. Bearing in mind that he knows that people saw right through GDubya and also that the public is aware that he is stating as fact, only what he has been advised by his warmongers. Very very tricky situation. Wisely he is playing for time at the moment. Hopefully the poms don,t change their minds and back the US into another farcical attack. Obama has stated that there will be no troops on the ground. From the Syrian perspective, that is only going to inflame things surely?
Shall we have a sweepstake? My money is on the "storm in a teacup" status at this stage.

[puddytat]

Clever move in getting Congressional consent......throws the ball to the republicans.:clap:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Seems that RT are being rather disingenuous with their translations.
I was just watching another of their videos where Putin is said to be talking about how ridiculous the claim that Assad used chemical weapons was, and noticed that the sequence from 2:20 to 2:30 in the first clip below is exactly the same as the footage between 3:48 to 3:58 in the second clip below

Yet the translation was totally different. Looks like the RT credibility is as bad as any :tugger:


http://youtu.be/QmPoMT1ZV18 (
http://youtu.be/oUyPpT0_8Gg )

[mashman]

You're no fun any more. I'll still vote for you though.

Still getting the hang of this growing up shit, my apologies :D. YAY, GO me.

[mashman]

I remember hearing about this guy but did not really pay any attention. :Punk:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk

[flyingcrocodile46]

I remember hearing about this guy but did not really pay any attention. :Punk:



He is a cracker. A real ball cracker

[BoristheBiter]

News flash. You don't need tin foil hats to discuss actual facts, potential decisions and the basis for them when it's all about information that is widely broadcast throughout the public arena.

Though you do need some comprehension skills and you need to educate yourself about what is going on in the world in order to understand the issues so as to avoid opening your mouth and making an ass of yourself by inferring that a person might feel embarrassed because a political decision was made not to proceed with an unpopular action that the person disagreed with.

No, you definitely wouldn't want to do something dumb like that because it would highlight what a total moron you were that you could even think of something so ridiculously absurd.

No tinfoil hat? so you come up with all these conspiracy's by yourself?
It simply beggars belief that anyone could be so stupid. Congratulations on your fine effort to further illuminate your fucktardery.

Try going a riding a bike for a change instead of seeing a conspiracy under every keyboard and you will suddenly come to the conclusion that none of this makes the slightest difference as to TPTB you are less than insignificant.

[mashman]

:corn:......................

[flyingcrocodile46]

:corn:...................... You will have a long wait. I learned a long time ago that trying to apply a 10 gallon solution to a half pint container just doesn't work. Even if he emptied his cup there is still going to be far too much spillage.

[mashman]

You will have a long wait. I learned a long time ago that trying to apply a 10 gallon solution to a half pint container just doesn't work. Even if he emptied his cup there is still going to be far too much spillage.

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa :crybaby: cannot spread for you again.

[mashman]

none of this makes the slightest difference as to TPTB you are less than insignificant.

I think that's his point.

[Hinny]

Gonna be interesting to see how this pans out. The pressure on Obama is enormous. The Brits no longer have his back for an invasion and he personally has the job of stating what has happened to the people of america, and the rest of the interested world, and what they are going to do about it. Bearing in mind that he knows that people saw right through GDubya and also that the public is aware that he is stating as fact, only what he has been advised by his warmongers. Very very tricky situation. Wisely he is playing for time at the moment. Hopefully the poms don,t change their minds and back the US into another farcical attack. Obama has stated that there will be no troops on the ground. From the Syrian perspective, that is only going to inflame things surely?
Shall we have a sweepstake? My money is on the "storm in a teacup" status at this stage.


Apparently the motion being put to Congress limits involvement to 33 months.

One report stated the latest attack was the first time chemical weapons had been used in Syria.
A couple of days later it was the fourteenth time chemical weapons had been used.

Another example that clearly demonstrates that American Intelligence is an oxymoron.

If the use of chemical weapons is so abhorrent to the Americans should they get rid of their chemical weapons?
Should they stop manufacturing and selling chemical weapons?

Their anger at the Russians making a mockery of the UN by blocking their motion at the Security Council is laughable.
Ignoring the dozens of motions that they have blocked concerning Israel.

[oldrider]

Death by any other name is still "death" .... fuck me this behaviour in 2013? .... Stay the fuck out of there Obama ffs! :sick:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Apparently the motion being put to Congress limits involvement to 33 months.

One report stated the latest attack was the first time chemical weapons had been used in Syria.
A couple of days later it was the fourteenth time chemical weapons had been used.

Another example that clearly demonstrates that American Intelligence is an oxymoron.

If the use of chemical weapons is so abhorrent to the Americans should they get rid of their chemical weapons?
Should they stop manufacturing and selling chemical weapons?

Their anger at the Russians making a mockery of the UN by blocking their motion at the Security Council is laughable.
Ignoring the dozens of motions that they have blocked concerning Israel.

Can't bling ya, gotta spread it around.

This is a sarcastic but pretty factual look at the absurdity of Obama's position...... Eyeball deep in shit from the inside out.


http://youtu.be/J-NIOthWsjk

[jonbuoy]

If they want to help why don't they drop antidotes and medical supplies for the doctors and medics . This "stop killing each other or we will kill you" mind set doesn't seem to working out.

[flyingcrocodile46]

If they want to help why don't they drop antidotes and medical supplies for the doctors and medics . This "stop killing each other or we will kill you" mind set doesn't seem to working out.

Particularly when the Saudis and Qatar are currently bankrolling air drops of weapons and mercenaries and are openly offerring to pay for the US to bomb Syria :rolleyes:

[awa355]

Can't bling ya, gotta spread it around.

This is a sarcastic but pretty factual look at the absurdity of Obama's position...... Eyeball deep in shit from the inside out.


Watched the complete video. It confirms what many have always believed.

[oldrider]

OK watched and listened to that supercilious cunt and even though I believe he is probably correct in what he claims, who the fuck is he? :shifty:

I was born into a scary world (WW2) it has always been a scary world and it looks like nothing is ever going to change on that score either!

People like that presenter are no better than the people they are attempting to condemn ... the world is just so full of shit in every direction!

Obama's claim that he (USA) needs to fight fire with fire is just plain fucking dumb and can not be justified under any pretence... end of story! :doh:

[Oscar]

Obama's claim that he (USA) needs to fight fire with fire is just plain fucking dumb and can not be justified under any pretence... end of story! :doh:

Damed if you do...

The US and UN is still being pillored for standing by during the Rwandan disgrace.
They could have saved any number of people quite easily, but 900,000 died whilst the UN dithered.

[Katman]

Damed if you do...

The US and UN is still being pillored for standing by during the Rwandan disgrace.
They could have saved any number of people quite easily, but 900,000 died whilst the UN dithered.

You say it was the UN that dithered but did the US actually have any intention of intervening in Rwanda?

I think not - they would have done so regardless of the UN's dithering if there had been any gain in it for them.

[Oscar]

You say it was the UN that dithered but did the US actually have any intention of intervening in Rwanda?

I think not - they would have done so regardless of the UN's dithering if there had been any gain in it for them.

That is true.
They had nothing to gain and didn't interven and those people are dead.
So because they may have something to gain in Syria, more people get to die?

Why do we sign treaties to control war crimes (and the ban on gas is one of the oldest), if there are no consequences?

[Katman]

Why do we sign treaties to control war crimes (and the ban on gas is one of the oldest), if there are no consequences?

Do you really think that the US has the moral right to be the enforcer of those consequences given their past record?

[Banditbandit]

https://sphotos-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1044930_575090432558535_2039373066_n.jpg

[Oscar]

Do you really think that the US has the moral right to be the enforcer of those consequences given their past record?

Nope. But who else is gonna do it?
The UN?

[Banditbandit]

Why should anyone do it ??? Why should we interfer with the internal issues of another sovereign nation?

[SPman]

If the use of chemical weapons is so abhorrent to the Americans should they get rid of their chemical weapons?
Should they stop manufacturing and selling chemical weapons?

Their anger at the Russians making a mockery of the UN by blocking their motion at the Security Council is laughable.
Ignoring the dozens of motions that they have blocked concerning Israel.

In 1997, the United States agreed to decommission the 31,000 tonnes of sarin, VX, mustard gas and other agents it possessed within 10 years. In 2007 it requested the maximum extension of the deadline permitted by the Chemical Weapons Convention: five years. Again it failed to keep its promise, and in 2012 it claimed they would be gone by 2021.........


83 times the US has exercised its veto. On 42 of these occasions it has done so to prevent Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians from being censured. On the last occasion, 130 nations supported the resolution, but Obama spiked it. Though veto powers have been used less often since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the US has exercised them 14 times since then (in 13 cases to shield Israel), while Russia has used them 9 times. Increasingly the permanent members have used the threat of a veto to prevent a resolution from being discussed. They have bullied the rest of the world into silence.

From 1964.........


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[flyingcrocodile46]

Kerry put his foot in Obama's mouth when Russia & Syria leapt on his disingenuous statement when he was...


"Asked during a stop in London whether there was anything Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government could do or offer that would stop an attack, Kerry said that al-Assad "could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week" -- adding, "He isn't about to do it, and it can't be done, obviously."It must have been a heck of a jolt when Russia took the initiative and came up with plan B .. and that Syria have agreed to it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/09/russian-official-floats-plan-to-avert-military-strike-on-syria/

LMAO Gonna have trouble squeezing that one back in the tube now. http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Looks like Obama is going to have to run with it. Crisis averted... maybe...

For another month.

I like how Obama inadvertently wasted one of his trump cards (authorisation to initiate military strikes if he believes the US security is threatened) when he responded to Assad's inference that Syria could retaliate against the US if attacked.. by saying ......
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html ....

"But on CNN's "The Situation Room," Obama snapped back that Syria is no threat to the United States.
"Mr. Assad doesn't have a lot of capability," Obama said. "He has capability relative to children. He has capability relative to an opposition that is still getting itself organized and are not professional, trained fighters. He doesn't have a credible means to threaten the United States."LMAO the arrogant fool will have that thrown in his face when he suggests that he might unilaterally decide he is authorised to attack Syria if he believed they posed a credible threat to the US. Lol http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[flyingcrocodile46]

In 1997, the United States agreed to decommission the 31,000 tonnes of sarin, VX, mustard gas and other agents it possessed within 10 years. In 2007 it requested the maximum extension of the deadline permitted by the Chemical Weapons Convention: five years. Again it failed to keep its promise, and in 2012 it claimed they would be gone by 2021.........


I wonder which countries they will "decommission" them in?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why should anyone do it ??? Why should we interfer with the internal issues of another sovereign nation?

I hear ya mate. But where do you draw the line? When millions of jews are being gassed? Or hundreds of Syrians? Where will it stop? And don't think for a min I think the Yanks firing missiles at the fuckers will help one little bit...just asking the question!

[mashman]

UK delivered Syria chemicals needed for sarin production ‘for 6 years’ (http://rt.com/news/uk-sarin-syria-weapons-chemical-573/)

[Hinny]

Why do we sign treaties to control war crimes (and the ban on gas is one of the oldest), if there are no consequences?
My opinion:-

Why do we idly stand by when our own Prime Minister commits acts which are regarded as war crimes?
The act of aggression is regarded as the worst of war crimes and the Nazi leaders were charged with that crime and hanged after being found guilty.
In my opinion Key should be in gaol for his aiding and abetting the terrorists in Libya. With our tax dollars!
Now he is contemplating helping out the terrorists again, just in a different country. He appears to treat war like an Xbox game. (Has a professed affection for 'battles'.)
The US leaders may be able to get away with it because there appears nobody with the ability to bring them to account but perhaps the best way for the world to vent it's displeasure is to pick off the small supporters. Like when you want to attack any bully/gang leader. Best not to confront the bully with all his supporters around him but pick off the mates/underlings, when they are alone one, at a time.

Key's statement that the Russian initiative, in response to Kerry's throwaway line, puts Western leaders in a dilemma is indicative of his take on the situation.
He is happy to follow the US line without knowledge of the details. A bit like Hilary Clinton re. Libya when she asked "So who are these people we are helping and what do we know about them?" His assertion that NZ was ready to join in any action against North Korea was indicative of his allegiance. Perhaps as a show of solidarity he could send one of his sons with any other New Zealander's children he wants to send as support (cannon fodder) for any future US adventure.

Wolfowitz's assertion that the US had fifty countries lined up is looking believable.
Maybe NZ is on the list and Key is sucking up to them to get our name off the list.

According to recent reports the US has ten countries supporting it in its desire to attack Syria. Is that France, NZ, countries of the Pacific Forum - anybody else?
.
I note Kerry's demeanor and that of David Cameron are very similar. ie verging on hysterical. Compare this to Assad's demeanor ie calm, rational and thoughtful.
The same dynamics as was seen before the invasion of Iraq. The US dudes were all hysterical muppets (except Dr. Death Cheney) whereas the Iraqis were very calm and rational. Hussein's offer to debate the issues with Bush for instance - Bush obviously wasn't interested in that. Being made a fool of by your frenemy on the International stage would have been hard to spin. I suppose the Western media would simply not have shown it. Usual approach - I think the NZ approach too . We are not well served by the mainstream media in this country

[Hinny]

I hear ya mate. But where do you draw the line? When millions of jews are being gassed? Or hundreds of Syrians? Where will it stop? And don't think for a min I think the Yanks firing missiles at the fuckers will help one little bit...just asking the question!

Was his question asking why is the US, and its supporters trying to engineer the overthrow of the Government of Syria?
Clearly they are not the 'Hero on a White horse' riding to the defence of an oppressed people - no matter how hard they try to spin it.
If they would get their 'assets' out of Syria and stop supplying arms and financial support then the conflict would abate.
A headline in a major US paper pronounced 'The West Is Losing In Syria'. A few weeks later and we have the chemical weapons attack which is justification for an attack - lets go and bomb them - "teach them a lesson" they said. How puerile are these people? How fucking dumb do they think the US people are? That they could blithely swallow this bull puckey - We can't wait for any proof - we have to strike now. We know what went on - They are quite possibly right there as it is well within the bounds of reason to suspect that they were complicit or even responsible for the attack.
Interesting to see the inflated death toll the US is quoting. - nearly five times the British or French figures.

They say 'Everything is bigger in Texas' - maybe one thing is bigger in Washington - the lies.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Syria really isn't going to be a quick fix

Latest news is that the rebels plan to launch a false flag chemical weapon attack from Syrian army controlled areas against Israel in the hope that Israel will wipe out the Syrian army.

http://youtu.be/WS8CthsUcxU

[Crasherfromwayback]

Was his question asking why is the US, and its supporters trying to engineer the overthrow of the Government of Syria?
Clearly they are not the 'Hero on a White horse' riding to the defence of an oppressed people - no matter how hard they try to spin it.
.

I didn't say it was...nor that they are indeed horse mounted. But if the people can't overthrow the government as the *government* is a fixed dictatorship...do the people of the country actually have a say anway? Is this not why there is such a cluster fuck there anyway? And if indeed the *government* has started gassing it's very own people...what do you think should be done?

[jonbuoy]

UK delivered Syria chemicals needed for sarin production ‘for 6 years’ (http://rt.com/news/uk-sarin-syria-weapons-chemical-573/)

Sodium Fluoride - the same stuff added to the drinking water and an ingredient in toothpaste and pesticides. Can also be made in a lab without too much trouble - if they can make Sarin they can make their own Sodium Fluoride. Media beat up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sodium Fluoride - the same stuff added to the drinking water and an ingredient in toothpaste and pesticides. Can also be made in a lab without too much trouble - if they can make Sarin they can make their own Sodium Fluoride. Media beat up.

Agree. Lot's of bollocks floating round on all sides.

[mashman]

Sodium Fluoride - the same stuff added to the drinking water and an ingredient in toothpaste and pesticides. Can also be made in a lab without too much trouble - if they can make Sarin they can make their own Sodium Fluoride. Media beat up.

Those sorts of things must go unnoticed by the security services. Could be a beat up though.

[Hinny]

Minnesota-based news site called Mint Press News (8/29/13) said "Syrians in Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack." ?

[Banditbandit]

I hear ya mate. But where do you draw the line? When millions of jews are being gassed? Or hundreds of Syrians? Where will it stop? And don't think for a min I think the Yanks firing missiles at the fuckers will help one little bit...just asking the question!

I have no idea mate. I've asked myself many questions on this one - and I am so not sure that there is a right side on this one ..

Bashar Al-Assad is a nasty dictator who is killig his own people - including using chemical weapons do to so ... and is a Ba'arth Party leader - a secular party

The rebels, witrh the pro-Al Qaeda Al Nusra Front in a leadership position, are extremely likely to put in a radical Moslem theocracy if they win - and will almost certainly attack Israel ..

There's also a Sunni (rebels) fighting Shi'a (Government supporters) - Assad comes from the Shi'a minorty - 12% of the popuation .. the ruling elite ...

So ... Where do I stand ?? No fucking idea ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

So ... Where do I stand ?? No fucking idea ...

As I've said before...it's a total cluster fuck either way. What a mess. Glad I'm not making the decisions...

[Banditbandit]

Yeah .. I'm inclined to the position that we stay out of it ... it is probably the safest option i the long run .. and with no clear side to support now it's the better short term option as well

As you say - a complete cluster-fuck ... but then, that's the Middle East for you - even the Romans had problems there ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

but then, that's the Middle East for you - even the Romans had problems there ...

I doubt you'll ever see peace in them parts!

[Oscar]

Yeah .. I'm inclined to the position that we stay out of it ... it is probably the safest option i the long run .. and with no clear side to support now it's the better short term option as well

As you say - a complete cluster-fuck ... but then, that's the Middle East for you - even the Romans had problems there ...

Yeah, what did the Romans ever do for us...?

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, what did the Romans ever do for us...?

Gave us grammar ... Are prolly some of the the ancestors of people who migrated here from the UK and other parts of Europe ... nailed an apocolyptic prophet to a cross ... prolly invented lipstick ... invented concrete ... Emporer/ruler's picture on coins ... the concept of "inocent until proven guilty" ... wedding rings ... gave us socks ... Milestones ... Cesarian births ... smelting crucibles ... satire ... symbols and short forms like "&" "NB" "PS" "etc" ... apartment blocks ... Public Toilets ... Distillation stills (actually the Romans in Alexandria) ... umbrellas (arguable) ... Identified the modern economic concept of inflation ... candles ... scissors ... mass produced glass products made by glass blowing ... different shoes for left and right feet ... Bikinis (Yes, I know but it's from the Villa Romana del Casale - I put the picture on the bottom of this post) ... showers ... sports riots and hooliganism ... brides dressing in white ... water pumps ... and so on ...

Why do you ask ???



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Villa_romana_bikini_girls.JPG/800px-Villa_romana_bikini_girls.JPG

[Oscar]

Why do you ask ???




Really?

You not a Python fan?

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[oldrider]

Yeah, what did the Romans ever do for us...?

What about their brand (Roman) of sandals? :confused:

[carbonhed]

Not a fan of Obama but a fine speech nonetheless.

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[mashman]

Not a fan of Obama but a fine speech nonetheless.

He's a beautiful story teller. Moderate effort and risk? I say the same thing about the financial system, and it doesn't require bombs. If they're so good with their tech, why don't they drop a missile message? ya know, a missile sans blowy uppy stuff and with a hand written note from prez o'bama tucked into the nose and parked in Assad's garden or living room.

[Laava]

Gave us grammar ... Are prolly some of the the ancestors of people who migrated here from the UK and other parts of Europe ... nailed an apocolyptic prophet to a cross ... prolly invented lipstick ... invented concrete ... Emporer/ruler's picture on coins ... the concept of "inocent until proven guilty" ... wedding rings ... gave us socks ... Milestones ... Cesarian births ... smelting crucibles ... satire ... symbols and short forms like "&" "NB" "PS" "etc" ... apartment blocks ... Public Toilets ... Distillation stills (actually the Romans in Alexandria) ... umbrellas (arguable) ... Identified the modern economic concept of inflation ... candles ... scissors ... mass produced glass products made by glass blowing ... different shoes for left and right feet ... Bikinis (Yes, I know but it's from the Villa Romana del Casale - I put the picture on the bottom of this post) ... showers ... sports riots and hooliganism ... brides dressing in white ... water pumps ... and so on ...

Why do you ask ???



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Villa_romana_bikini_girls.JPG/800px-Villa_romana_bikini_girls.JPG

Yeah, but apart from that...

[carbonhed]

He's a beautiful story teller. Moderate effort and risk? I say the same thing about the financial system, and it doesn't require bombs. If they're so good with their tech, why don't they drop a missile message? ya know, a missile sans blowy uppy stuff and with a hand written note from prez o'bama tucked into the nose and parked in Assad's garden or living room.

Personally, when you're dealing with the Assad's, Gaddafi's, Husseins, Saud's or the Mullah's in Tehran... screw the personal letter... incinerate the fucking lot. Give the poor pricks that have been under the boot of those scumbags half a chance.

[mashman]

Personally, when you're dealing with the Assad's, Gaddafi's, Husseins, Saud's or the Mullah's in Tehran... screw the personal letter... incinerate the fucking lot. Give the poor pricks that have been under the boot of those scumbags half a chance.

Did you ever see the vid FlyingCroc posted up about Gaddafi? Bit of an eye opener. Hell, if the US are going to sell arms to people, what do they think they're going to do with them? Anyhoo, how were the people suffering prior to the hell they now live in? It ain't as though Iraq and Afghanistan are all roses either is it? War, huh, what is it good for, killing people and makin money... say it again.

[SPman]

Yeah, but apart from that... Well.....the Greeks gave us love - but the Romans gave us love between a man and a woman!........

[Banditbandit]

Really?

You not a Python fan?



Oh sorry - yes I am - but I missed that reference ...

[Banditbandit]

Personally, when you're dealing with the Assad's, Gaddafi's, Husseins, Saud's or the Mullah's in Tehran... screw the personal letter... incinerate the fucking lot. Give the poor pricks that have been under the boot of those scumbags half a chance.

Yeah .. naaaa .. see Egypt got rid of the dictator and held elections .. and what did the poor pricks who were under the boot of that scumbag do? Elect the Moslem Brotherhood ...

I'm sure thats a result the west didn't predict or want ..

And if the Syrian rebels do manage to chuck out Assad what are they going to do??? I'll bet it's not elect another secular Government ...

[carbonhed]

Yeah .. naaaa .. see Egypt got rid of the dictator and held elections .. and what did the poor pricks who were under the boot of that scumbag do? Elect the Moslem Brotherhood ...

I'm sure thats a result the west didn't predict or want ..

And if the Syrian rebels do manage to chuck out Assad what are they going to do??? I'll bet it's not elect another secular Government ...

So you don't want democracy in the Middle East unless the voters elect someone you approve of? How terribly "liberal" of you.

I'd like them all to have democracy and I don't care who they vote for or how messy they make it in the short term.

[Banditbandit]

So you don't want democracy in the Middle East unless the voters elect someone you approve of? How terribly "liberal" of you.

I'm not sure anywhere did I say that I did not support democracy - my point here was that the people you called "poor pricks' voted in one of the groups you labeled "those scumbag" - the judgement was yours not mine ...


I'd like them all to have democracy and I don't care who they vote for or how messy they make it in the short term.

but I am not sure that I do totally support the concept of democracy ... I certainly support the concept of Freedom ...

Does the concept of Freedom include the right to not chose a democracy ???

Because Freedom in the Middle East for many people means the right to have a theocracy ...So ... if these country's choose a theocracy that's alright with you too ? Even if it is not a democracy ?

See I value freedom over any political system .. whereas you appear to value a particular political system ..

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm not sure anywhere did I say that I did not support democracy - my point here was that the people you called "poor pricks' voted in one of the groups you labeled "those scumbag" - the judgement was yours not mine ...



but I am not sure that I do totally support the concept of democracy ... I certainly support the concept of Freedom ...

Does the concept of Freedom include the right to not chose a democracy ???

Because Freedom in the Middle East for many people means the right to have a theocracy ...So ... if these country's choose a theocracy that's alright with you too ? Even if it is not a democracy ?

See I value freedom over any political system .. whereas you appear to value a particular political system ..


Nicely said, though I am no fan of theocracy, democracy is a fucking joke in most western nations and even more so in puppet countries. Democracy is not achieved at the point of a gun.

[SMOKEU]

Nicely said, though I am no fan of theocracy, democracy is a fucking joke in most western nations and even more so in puppet countries. Democracy is not achieved at the point of a gun.

It's more jewocracy than democracy.

[flyingcrocodile46]

A nice summary of proven documented false flag attacks that have been used by various govts to start wars


http://youtu.be/sNRh1vlGksk

[flyingcrocodile46]

Only three modern concrete and steel multi story buildings in all of the world have ever collapsed as a direct result of fire. All three of them collapsed on the day of the 911 attack.

16 minutes


http://youtu.be/5PY_qM28rnA



I remember watching the part recorded and part live footage before heading to work (in commercial construction management) Though I didn't see the much more telling bldg 7 footage till years later, I was astounded at the speed of collapse of the towers and formed a firm opinion that it was likely that explosive charges were used to bring the towers down, based on my own experience in construction and knowledge of material properties/performance.

I was always extremely sceptical of the official explanations but only more recently (a few years ago) made any effort to look into it (I didn't even watch Mike Moore's early offering as I didn't really want to know unnecessary uncomfortable truths).

However after having seen the overwhelming evidence on literally hundreds of facets of the events and tangible evidence.... and especially the events around bldg 7 and its exact 'to the split second perfect' rate of free fall, I consider the recordings of the collapse of Building seven alone is 100% irrefutable proof of controlled demolition.

I know it from this one simple fact alone and unequivocally assure you that any engineer who postulates the possibility of top to bottom free fall of any type of building under any circumstances other than precisely (perfectly) controlled demolition, is quite simply deliberately deceiving you. They couldn't be mistaken as they would have to invent fringe science to circumvent known physical properties and basic science in order to even imagine such a ridiculous thing transpiring. It just isn't possible without explosive charges... and a shitload of them at that.

Once you realise that one simple undeniable truth, the reality of everything else to do with and which followed 911 comes crashing down on you like the buildings themselves.

[carbonhed]

I'm not sure anywhere did I say that I did not support democracy - my point here was that the people you called "poor pricks' voted in one of the groups you labeled "those scumbag" - the judgement was yours not mine ...


Bullshit.

Iran is Shiite and Persian and, now, totalitarian. Which is why the guys in charge are scumbags.

The Muslim Brotherhood is predominately Arab and Sunni... and they get their chance not to be scumbags.

[jonbuoy]

Seems some of these countries aren´t "ready" or is it not more "not used" to a democratic system. A harsh/cruel dictator keeps all the tribal factions under control. All of Europe has been through the same changes of fighting the church and monarchist rule - we´ve just had a few hundred years more to get used to it. "Democratically" voting in another Dictator or hard line religious party seems like a wasted opportunity. Should we interfere with their political process or let them make the same mistakes we all did in the past?

BTW STOP THE FUCKING AUTOPLAY VIDEOS!

[flyingcrocodile46]

Seems some of these countries aren´t "ready" or is it not more "not used" to a democratic system. A harsh/cruel dictator keeps all the tribal factions under control. All of Europe has been through the same changes of fighting the church and monarchist rule - we´ve just had a few hundred years more to get used to it. "Democratically" voting in another Dictator or hard line religious party seems like a wasted opportunity. Should we interfere with their political process or let them make the same mistakes we all did in the past?

BTW STOP THE FUCKING AUTOPLAY VIDEOS!

Having browser control issues are we? Here, borrow my finger :finger:

[jonbuoy]

Having browser control issues are we? Here, borrow my finger :finger:

Its just irritating - how are those paranoid delusional tin hat fantasies coming along? Cut down on the weed yet?

[mashman]

Having browser control issues are we? Here, borrow my finger :finger:

http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/morpheus-you-have-to-understand-most-people-are-not-ready-to-be-unplugged-and-many-of-them-are-so-inured-so-hopelessly-dependent-on-the-system-that-they-will-fight-to-protect-it.jpg

[ducatilover]

Only three modern concrete and steel multi story buildings in all of the world have ever collapsed as a direct result of fire. All three of them collapsed on the day of the 911 attack.



Nothing to do with planes hitting 'em, weight dropping down and the general laws of physics then? I better go to spec savers, then head back to school because that sure looks like a huge tinfoil hat :spanking::lol::killingme

[flyingcrocodile46]

http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/morpheus-you-have-to-understand-most-people-are-not-ready-to-be-unplugged-and-many-of-them-are-so-inured-so-hopelessly-dependent-on-the-system-that-they-will-fight-to-protect-it.jpg

Yup! Moronicity. Where uncomfortable facts are childishly decried as fantasy, and fantasy is the reality.:rolleyes: Poor little things, their brains malfunction when it gets scary. They are born for religious exploitation.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Nothing to do with planes hitting 'em, weight dropping down and the general laws of physics then? I better go to spec savers, then head back to school because that sure looks like a huge tinfoil hat :spanking::lol::killingme

The irony is absolutely astounding. If only you had the IQ to appreciate it. :lol:

[ducatilover]

The irony is absolutely astounding. If only you had the IQ to appreciate it. :lol:

You're a silly sausage. Have you nothing better to do than try throw conspiracy theories about every unfortunate thing in the world down peoples monitors? Or do you get off on being different in your views? So much so that you fail to see the forest for the pubes.

[ducatilover]

The buildings did not fall at, or close to, free fall speed (or whatever you bong bubblers call it these days)

[flyingcrocodile46]

You're a silly sausage. Have you nothing better to do than try throw conspiracy theories about every unfortunate thing in the world down peoples monitors? Or do you get off on being different in your views? So much so that you fail to see the forest for the pubes.

You don't see much when your eyes are shut. You really need to open those peepers of yours wake up and engage your brain so that you can desiminate the fact from the fiction. Science is your friend if you take the time to learn it.

Seriously! Why the fuck am I wasting my time talking to a flat earther fuckwit who thinks buildings can collapse at the speed of freefall. I mean seriously dude, your brain is empty. I am sorry but calling people tin foil hat wearers isn't going to change reality, and if you think it does... well you're probably dumber than a flat earther with an empty head.

[Woodman]

In america there is this talking mouse whose best friend is a talking duck, and they hang round with all these other talking animals.

Its true i saw it on tv

[mashman]

The buildings did not fall at, or close to, free fall speed (or whatever you bong bubblers call it these days)

How fire does its thing when burning shit... and this is only a chimney stack ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CV2GuK6CmY

[Katman]

The buildings did not fall at, or close to, free fall speed (or whatever you bong bubblers call it these days)

Building 7 most certainly did.

[Oscar]

You guys are funny.
Have you ever seen the equipment required to drop a building a fraction of the size of any of the WTC buildings?
The number of staff required?

Would someone care to explain how that was kept secret in buildings that contained 10,000+ people?

[Hinny]

Yeah .. naaaa .. see Egypt got rid of the dictator and held elections .. and what did the poor pricks who were under the boot of that scumbag do? Elect the Moslem Brotherhood ...

I'm sure thats a result the west didn't predict or want ..

And if the Syrian rebels do manage to chuck out Assad what are they going to do??? I'll bet it's not elect another secular Government ...


So you don't want democracy in the Middle East unless the voters elect someone you approve of? How terribly "liberal" of you.

I'd like them all to have democracy and I don't care who they vote for or how messy they make it in the short term.


You do know that the army overthrew the democratically elected govt. of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi on July 3
Seems the freedom they got wasn't quite what they expected.

I wonder why you want them to have democracy.
Do you think the people of Libya will ever have the benefits they enjoyed under Gadaffi again? Will it continue to be the richest country in Africa - I think not.
Already they have got rid of their central bank and got a Rothschild bank.
The people of Syria also have a Central Bank and until the start of this attempted overthrow had zero foreign debt. Do you really think the country will be as well off under US domination?

If Democracy is a goal according to the US then why don't they themselves have a democracy?

[Hinny]

You guys are funny.
Have you ever seen the equipment required to drop a building a fraction of the size of any of the WTC buildings?
The number of staff required?

Would someone care to explain how that was kept secret in buildings that contained 10,000+ people?

Takes very little research to find the answers to your questions.

Which makes me wonder why you would bother to post pointless drivel.

[kinger]

Marvellous.
Unfortunately, that was Fred burning timber props he'd put in rather than the original structure, so not sure what your point is with the fire.

[Oscar]

Takes very little research to find the answers to your questions.

Which makes me wonder why you would bother to post pointless drivel.

Bullshit.
Show me one report from an independent witness.

Just because the same thing is repeated hundreds of time across the web, doesn't make it true.
It just means that morons love company.

[Banditbandit]

Bullshit.

Iran is Shiite and Persian and, now, totalitarian. Which is why the guys in charge are scumbags.

The Muslim Brotherhood is predominately Arab and Sunni... and they get their chance not to be scumbags.

Well - it looks like a lot of Egyptians think they aer scumbags ...


You do know that the army overthrew the democratically elected govt. of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi on July 3 ... Seems the freedom they got wasn't quite what they expected.

See .. that's the problem with "democarcy" people got their freedom and a majority exercised their rights and voted in the Moslem Brotherhood ... so the minority lost .. and objected .. because it wasnt their view of freedom .. and gained the supprot of the army ..

There's the paradox of democracy right there - the majority imposed their will on the monority ...

Not any sort of freedom I'll accept.

[ducatilover]

You don't see much when your eyes are shut. You really need to open those peepers of yours wake up and engage your brain so that you can desiminate the fact from the fiction. Science is your friend if you take the time to learn it.

Seriously! Why the fuck am I wasting my time talking to a flat earther fuckwit who thinks buildings can collapse at the speed of freefall. I mean seriously dude, your brain is empty. I am sorry but calling people tin foil hat wearers isn't going to change reality, and if you think it does... well you're probably dumber than a flat earther with an empty head.

But it was proven that they were not going at free fall speed. But you can find anything to satisfy your mind on the internet, can't ya? So, somehow a whole bunch of explosive charges were placed in the buildings and then a plane was flown in to each. Seems legit doesn't it?

:2thumbsup You bite well.

[ducatilover]

In america there is this talking mouse whose best friend is a talking duck, and they hang round with all these other talking animals.

Its true i saw it on tv

I'm fairly sure his best mate is a talking dog, but I'll accept anything anyone says, apparently :bleh:

[ducatilover]

You guys are funny.
Have you ever seen the equipment required to drop a building a fraction of the size of any of the WTC buildings?
The number of staff required?

Would someone care to explain how that was kept secret in buildings that contained 10,000+ people?

Don't be so logical, my hat is melting.

[Banditbandit]

Faaarkk !!! You can all take you're fucking 911 conspiracy bullshit and fuck off to the other thread where you can do this in private and not disturb the horses !!!!

http://nicolasdsampson.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/04/conspiracy.jpg

[mashman]

Marvellous.
Unfortunately, that was Fred burning timber props he'd put in rather than the original structure, so not sure what your point is with the fire.

The point was to illustrate how things start to fall apart when they fall.
Do you think, had he replaced the entire base with timber props, that it would have dropped straight down?

[Oscar]

Faaarkk !!! You can all take you're fucking 911 conspiracy bullshit and fuck off to the other thread where you can do this in private and not disturb the horses !!!!

http://nicolasdsampson.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/04/conspiracy.jpg

Sorry.
It's just that sometimes it's just too tempting to poke a stick at the mentally diverse...

[Banditbandit]

Sorry.
It's just that sometimes it's just too tempting to poke a stick at the mentally diverse...



"mentally diverse" :killingme Yeah .. but the 9/11 bullshit has got boring .. and it just keeps cropping up here .. in all sorts of places where it's irrelevent ..

[Katman]

Yeah .. but the 9/11 bullshit has got boring .. and it just keeps cropping up here .. in all sorts of places where it's irrelevent ..

Are you seriously telling us that you can't see the relevance between 9/11 and this thread?

[Banditbandit]

Are you seriously telling us that you can't see the relevance between 9/11 and this thread?

No .. I'm seriously telling you that the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit has got very tiring and annoying ...

I don't give a fuck whether you think it is relevent or not ... take it elsewhere ...

[Katman]

No .. I'm seriously telling you that the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit has got very tiring and annoying ...

I don't give a fuck whether you think it is relevent or not ... take it elsewhere ...

Lol.

Always amusing to see people who don't understand how internet forums work.

Stamping your feet like a fucking spoiled 5 year old won't win you any arguments in the grown-up's world.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You guys are funny.
Have you ever seen the equipment required to drop a building a fraction of the size of any of the WTC buildings?
The number of staff required?

Would someone care to explain how that was kept secret in buildings that contained 10,000+ people?
Unexplained night shift maintenance. It is documented and the documents are referenced by a number of investigators quoted in numerous 911 documentary's. Watch 10 or 20 of them and learn.

[flyingcrocodile46]

But it was proven that they were not going at free fall speed. But you can find anything to satisfy your mind on the internet, can't ya? So, somehow a whole bunch of explosive charges were placed in the buildings and then a plane was flown in to each. Seems legit doesn't it?

:2thumbsup You bite well.I refer to my previous response.

[Oscar]

Unexplained night shift maintenance. It is documented and the documents are referenced by a number of investigators quoted in numerous 911 documentary's. Watch 10 or 20 of them and learn.

So to recap:
Thirteen years after what would have been the biggest conspiracy in history, involving the synchronized crashing of airliners into buildings and then the demolition of those buildings and several others with a death toll of over 3,000 people, the best you’ve got is “unexplained maintenance”?

And this so called conspiracy is allegedly carried out by the US Government – a Government that failed to keep secret the fact that it’s Chief Executive got a blow job in the Oval Office, a Government that has been the subject of some major intelligence leaks over the past few years – and yet we have no whistle blowers, no eye witnesses, no CCTV footage (in a City crammed with cameras) and no forensic evidence.

Notwithstanding this complete lack of a smoking gun, what was the motive again? So the US could invade a foreign country?
By that logic, all the previous terrorist attacks on the US must have been an inside job, because any one of them could have given a nation a pretext to go after the Taliban.
So the first WTC bombing, the attack on the US embassy in Africa, and the bombing of the USS Cole must have all been inside jobs?

Give me a fucking break.
And no, I don’t want to watch any one of hundreds of videos on the net, which all basically say the same thing – some people are gullible fools.

[flyingcrocodile46]

People need to do their own research to verify answers to their questions. It is pointless asking people like me to prove things or direct you to evidence when the only intent is to deny it. People like me will try and wake you up from your state sanctioned dream world, and point you to where the medicine bottle, but we can't be expected to drive you to the pharmacy, place the order and then spoon feed you the medicine. Especially when you are too busy talking shit to stop and swallow. Now shut the fuck up with your bullshit crybaby Oh No's it can't be true denial and either make the effort to educate your pathetic deluded self or take your unused brain and fuck off. :yes:

[mashman]

Notwithstanding this complete lack of a smoking gun, what was the motive again?


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pDGN-5nlBh8/SPeTqVWVZdI/AAAAAAAAAzo/e5ucb-yXttY/s400/dol+fall.jpg



Give me a fucking break.

Pinky, neck or back?

[Katman]

So the first WTC bombing, the attack on the US embassy in Africa, and the bombing of the USS Cole must have all been inside jobs?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPF2rnRJn3s

[Oscar]

People need to do their own research to verify answers to their questions. It is pointless asking people like me to prove things or direct you to evidence when the only intent is to deny it. People like me will try and wake you up from your state sanctioned dream world, and point you to where the medicine bottle, but we can't be expected to drive you to the pharmacy, place the order and then spoon feed you the medicine. Especially when you are too busy talking shit to stop and swallow. Now shut the fuck up with your bullshit crybaby Oh No's it can't be true denial and either make the effort to educate your pathetic deluded self or take your unused brain and fuck off. :yes:

So you keep posting half-baked childish crap and rather than defend it, you abuse people and tell them to find their own evidence?
Now that you've exposed yourself as an abusive and stupid troll, I have no intention of looking for the "evidence" as this consists of other idiots like you pointing at the sky and saying it's falling....

[Oscar]

People need to do their own research to verify answers to their questions.

This answer enables you to say anything you want.
You're the one posting the theories, without anything more than your conjecture you're just another nutter leaving cum stains on the interweb.

[Oscar]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pDGN-5nlBh8/SPeTqVWVZdI/AAAAAAAAAzo/e5ucb-yXttY/s400/dol+fall.jpg



Pinky, neck or back?

I already broke both my pinkies several times playing cricket, and my neck crashing in the forest, so it'll have to be me back.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I already broke both my pinkies several times playing cricket, and my neck crashing in the forest, so it'll have to be me back.
The spine? You can't break what doesn't exist.

[mashman]

The spine? You can't break what doesn't exist.

:killingme Thieving cunt

[Banditbandit]

Lol.

Always amusing to see people who don't understand how internet forums work.

Stamping your feet like a fucking spoiled 5 year old won't win you any arguments in the grown-up's world.

:killingme: :rofl::clap: :nya: :lol: :killingme:

KBer ???? Grown up world ?? :killingme: And add conspiracy theories ... :facepalm:

Mate ... in the grown up world a group of largely Saudi terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers .. the resulting fires weakened the structure to such an extent that the towers then collapsed, killing everyone in the building at the time - workers - rescue workers ... the lot ...

Grown ups accept that reality - only people who can't cope with the idea that they piss off others enough that the others partake in wholesale destruction need a conspiracy theory ... it means that someone else is responsible ..

[Katman]

Mate ... in the grown up world a group of largely Saudi terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers .. the resulting fires weakened the structure to such an extent that the towers then collapsed, killing everyone in the building at the time - workers - rescue workers ... the lot ...

Grown ups accept that reality - only people who can't cope with the idea that they piss off others enough that the others partake in wholesale destruction need a conspiracy theory ... it means that someone else is responsible ..

So what happened to WTC7?

[Banditbandit]

So what happened to WTC7?

Yeah .. as soon as I clicked "Submit Reply" I knew you were gong to bring that up ...

Two answers

One

It burnt and crashed like the others ..

Two

DILLIGAF

In the real grown up world SHIT HAPPENS - get over it ...

[Katman]

Yeah .. as soon as I clicked "Submit Reply" I knew you were gong to bring that up ...

Two answers

One

It burnt and crashed like the others ..

Two

DILLIGAF

In the real grown up world SHIT HAPPENS - get over it ...

Grown-ups go looking for answers when certain things don't add up.

Still, if wrapping yourself in a little cocoon of denial helps you get through the day, who am I to stop you?

[Banditbandit]

Fuck off ... de Nile is just a river in Egypt ...

[mashman]

Fuck off ... de Nile is just a river in Egypt ...

And people die, but that's ok, that's their problem, even though in the grown up world SHIT HAPPENS and it really isn't really their problem at all.

[flyingcrocodile46]

:killingme: :rofl::clap: :nya: :lol: :killingme:

KBer ???? Grown up world ?? :killingme: And add conspiracy theories ... :facepalm:

Mate ... in the grown up world a group of largely Saudi terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers .. the resulting fires weakened the structure to such an extent that the towers then collapsed, killing everyone in the building at the time - workers - rescue workers ... the lot ...

Grown ups accept that reality - only people who can't cope with the idea that they piss off others enough that the others partake in wholesale destruction need a conspiracy theory ... it means that someone else is responsible ..Go back and have a look at the false flag attack video I posted which documents multiple false flag attacks launched by govts (mostly against their own citizens). All of those attacks and many more are documented by and admitted by the govts (though they don't take out full page advertisements to inform fuckwits such as yourselves) through official information releases from agencies such as the CIA. Then you can come back and apologize for being such a stupid cunt. Jesus fucking Christ. What does it take to wake you fucking morons up so that you can see what for the most part are widely recognised facts that are there for anyone who is prepared to get off their arse and attempt a bit of research.? Noooo it is far easier to attack someone who is simply telling the truth because.... well It's because you are fucktards.

[Oscar]

The spine? You can't break what doesn't exist.

Wow, how long did it take you to come up with that?
Your wit is even more limited than your grasp on reality.
Be gone, fuckwit troll!:laugh:

[Oscar]

:killingme: :rofl::clap: :nya: :lol: :killingme:

KBer ???? Grown up world ?? :killingme: And add conspiracy theories ... :facepalm:

Mate ... in the grown up world a group of largely Saudi terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers .. the resulting fires weakened the structure to such an extent that the towers then collapsed, killing everyone in the building at the time - workers - rescue workers ... the lot ...

Grown ups accept that reality - only people who can't cope with the idea that they piss off others enough that the others partake in wholesale destruction need a conspiracy theory ... it means that someone else is responsible ..

Stop feeding the trolls...

[Oscar]

Go back and have a look at the false flag attack video I posted which documents multiple false flag attacks launched by govts (mostly against their own citizens). All of those attacks and many more are documented by and admitted by the govts (though they don't take out full page advertisements to inform fuckwits such as yourselves) through official information releases from agencies such as the CIA. Then you can come back and apologize for being such a stupid cunt. Jesus fucking Christ. What does it take to wake you fucking morons up so that you can see what for the most part are widely recognised facts that are there for anyone who is prepared to get off their arse and attempt a bit of research.? Noooo it is far easier to attack someone who is simply telling the truth because.... well It's because you are fucktards.

Man, for a thick cunt, you are really persistent.

Explain to me how your "false flag" theory is working in Syria, now?:lol:

[SMOKEU]

Did someone say this thread needs more trolls?

[Banditbandit]

Stop feeding the trolls...

"You must spread ..."

Yeah ... I was trying to make them go away ...

[Banditbandit]

Go back and have a look at the false flag attack video I posted which documents multiple false flag attacks launched by govts (mostly against their own citizens). All of those attacks and many more are documented by and admitted by the govts (though they don't take out full page advertisements to inform fuckwits such as yourselves) through official information releases from agencies such as the CIA. Then you can come back and apologize for being such a stupid cunt. Jesus fucking Christ. What does it take to wake you fucking morons up so that you can see what for the most part are widely recognised facts that are there for anyone who is prepared to get off their arse and attempt a bit of research.? Noooo it is far easier to attack someone who is simply telling the truth because.... well It's because you are fucktards.

Jeez mate I've been at this game for a long time ... I'm an activist politico by nature I was protesting before I owned bikes and I can spot Government power and death games - and I do give a fuck ... do you remember Project Camelot ??? The fuckers have been at it for a very long time ...

BUT A GROUP OF TERRORISTS THREW TO PLANES INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE AND DESTROYED IT - CASE CLOSED

[flyingcrocodile46]

Unbelievable. Govts (in particular the US) have been lying to people for years and the proof is everywhere throughout history. It is an undeniable truth that is now part of historical documented (incl by govt agencies) fact.

Some people suspect that all is not right and actually take the time to educate themselves about the historically proven lies. Then they do the research on and point out the facts about govt lies that are still in progress.

Yet you sheep like morons still rush to the govts defence and attack those people, even to the point of blindly denying the historical facts around false flag attacks that the govts themselves acknowledge. Seriously! That is some fucked up shit people.

Their really isn't any point in debating anything with people who switch their brains off like that. I mean to say, what is the point, when you haven't even got the ability to acknowledge the existence of evidence that is even recorded in the govts own archives. Holy fuck! I am really struggling to understand how such dysfunctional non logic can exist.

Unfuckingbelievable . The only thing I can put it down to is that you must be so terrified of your own insignificance and inability to effect control of serious problems, that your ability to control cognitive thought processes simply freezes and blocks your ability to process serious life issues. So fucking sad.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Jeez mate I've been at this game for a long time ... I'm an activist politico by nature I was protesting before I owned bikes and I can spot Government power and death games - and I do give a fuck ... do you remember Project Camelot ??? The fuckers have been at it for a very long time ...

BUT A GROUP OF TERRORISTS THREW TO PLANES INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE AND DESTROYED IT - CASE CLOSED

I understand. It was too scary for you to be able to confront and study. The 911 movement is growing bigger and bigger every week as people who are able to break through the barrier of fear and helplessness make the effort to open their eyes and study the scientific facts. Including thousands of engineers and scientists (people who have a clue). Ten more years and fools like you will be in the minority.

[carbonhed]

The flyingcrocofshit is such a tool that he must actually be a US Govt stooge planted ahead of the false flag attacks in order to totally discredit the conspiracy underground... is there no end to their cunning? Fortunately I have unmasked the villain and now await my prize.

[Woodman]

By research, do you mean youtube??

[Hinny]

So to recap:
Thirteen years after what would have been the biggest conspiracy in history, involving the synchronized crashing of airliners into buildings and then the demolition of those buildings and several others with a death toll of over 3,000 people, the best you’ve got is “unexplained maintenance”?

And this so called conspiracy is allegedly carried out by the US Government – a Government that failed to keep secret the fact that it’s Chief Executive got a blow job in the Oval Office, a Government that has been the subject of some major intelligence leaks over the past few years – and yet we have no whistle blowers, no eye witnesses, no CCTV footage (in a City crammed with cameras) and no forensic evidence.

Notwithstanding this complete lack of a smoking gun, what was the motive again? So the US could invade a foreign country?
By that logic, all the previous terrorist attacks on the US must have been an inside job, because any one of them could have given a nation a pretext to go after the Taliban.
So the first WTC bombing, the attack on the US embassy in Africa, and the bombing of the USS Cole must have all been inside jobs?

Give me a fucking break.
And no, I don’t want to watch any one of hundreds of videos on the net, which all basically say the same thing – some people are gullible fools.

And your conspiracy theory is more believable?
You wouldn't accept any other point of view even if it was chiseled into your forehead.
Not that I would cast aspersions as to your mental acuity I just feel many would believe your dogmatic belligerence is beyond the realms of reasonable sanity.
I challenged you on another forum to put up or shut up and you chose to do neither.
The US govt. has been asked to put up by investigating 911 and they refused. Fewer than 3000 people reportedly died in the collapse of the twin towers and another 40,000 have been severely injured from the post collapse demolition and succeeding cleanup.
The initial reports put the death toll at more than 6,000.
These exagerated figures are a bit like John Kerry's figure for the deaths in Syria. 4-5 times the number of deaths reported by France and by the UK.
One small lie among the raft of other lies they have been telling about their involvement.
Their refusal to put up any evidence is telling in this false flag op as well together with their attempts to thwart investigation or diplomatic solution.. Of note there has been satellite surveillance video supplied to the UN showing the origin of the attacks from within rebel held areas.
This administration like the previous one appears beset with an inability to tell the truth.
We know from the whistle blower 4 star General Wesley Clark that the invasion of Syria was on their books years ago as was Egypt, Tunisia, Iraq etc 8 countries in all.
Here they are supporting Al Qaeda again - as in Afghanistan, U.S.A., Chechnya, Iraq and Libya.
I am gobsmacked at the gall they have to present these fabricated stories believing that the public would be gullible enough to believe them.
Obviously they have a believer in you. A believer in the great magnanimous, benevolent hegemony that is the world's moral compass and the only one with the military strength to be able to do what it wants and can't be challenged by anybody because they are the greatest... Trying to paraphrase Obama's diatribe here.
Polls show the majority of New Yorkers (City) do not share your apparent views on the demolition of the WTC buildings.

[Hinny]

Ten more years and fools like you will be in the minority.

I sometimes wonder about the veracity of that point of view.
I realise from the reading of KB forum posts a belief that the majority are fools may be formed and by extrapolation the general population are in the majority fools.
I don't actually believe this to be the actual case however.
I continue to be amased at the depth of knowledge and experience the KB community possesses.
However, since we all ride motorcycles, that the majority of 'sensible' people consider to be a foolish thing to do, perhaps we all fit the criteria of that category.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I sometimes wonder about the veracity of that point of view.
I realise from the reading of KB forum posts a belief that the majority are fools may be formed and by extrapolation the general population are in the majority fools.
I don't actually believe this to be the actual case however.
I continue to be amased at the depth of knowledge and experience the KB community possesses.
However, since we all ride motorcycles, that the majority of 'sensible' people consider to be a foolish thing to do, perhaps we all fit the criteria of that category.

Not inappropriately. It would probably only be true in respect of their opinion on this one event at best, because of the relentless drive of increasing numbers of people calling for further investigation. In respect their general status it was a very incorrect status. The majority will allways be fools to themselves and thier community.

[flyingcrocodile46]

By research, do you mean youtube??

Start where you want, I rely on youtube docos and news channels because they present a more user friendly summary of info. But cast my net much wider for verification of information. Search under news and look at samples from all sources.

[Woodman]

Start where you want, I rely on youtube docos and news channels because they present a more user friendly summary of info. But cast my net much wider for verification of information. Search under news and look at samples from all sources.

Do you also look for the opposing view?

[Katman]

Do you also look for the opposing view?

The opposing view has never been kept secret.

[pzkpfw]

Unbelievable. Govts (in particular the US) have been lying to people for years and the proof is everywhere throughout history. It is an undeniable truth that is now part of historical documented (incl by govt agencies) fact.

Some people suspect that all is not right and actually take the time to educate themselves about the historically proven lies. Then they do the research on and point out the facts about govt lies that are still in progress.

Yet you sheep like morons still rush to the govts defence and attack those people, even to the point of blindly denying the historical facts around false flag attacks that the govts themselves acknowledge. Seriously! That is some fucked up shit people.

Their really isn't any point in debating anything with people who switch their brains off like that. I mean to say, what is the point, when you haven't even got the ability to acknowledge the existence of evidence that is even recorded in the govts own archives. Holy fuck! I am really struggling to understand how such dysfunctional non logic can exist.

Unfuckingbelievable . The only thing I can put it down to is that you must be so terrified of your own insignificance and inability to effect control of serious problems, that your ability to control cognitive thought processes simply freezes and blocks your ability to process serious life issues. So fucking sad.


*There


(That's about all I can be bothered contributing to the 9/11 tin foil hat brigade.)

[mashman]

So despite govts admitting to past indiscretions, "normal" folk will unwaveringly deny that it is possible for govts to do the things that they claim and have admitted to? I can't quite convey just how naive that is. You're fucking with people's lives by accepting (non questioning) the official story, something that has been exacerbated over the years. Whether you like or or not, your inaction or de Nile that a govt would instigate a war is seriously fuckin disappointing (if not ever so slightly unrealistic) and shows a disturbing disregard for (innocent) human life... and all because known and admitted liars have offered you something sweeter to swallow than the truth that thousands (millions) of people have been murdered so that the western world, i.e. you, can have oil at a cheaper price than you normally would have. You sicken me.

[Hinny]

So despite govts admitting to past indiscretions, "normal" folk will unwaveringly deny that it is possible for govts to do the things that they claim and have admitted to? I can't quite convey just how naive that is. You're fucking with people's lives by accepting (non questioning) the official story, something that has been exacerbated over the years. Whether you like or or not, your inaction or de Nile that a govt would instigate a war is seriously fuckin disappointing (if not ever so slightly unrealistic) and shows a disturbing disregard for (innocent) human life... and all because known and admitted liars have offered you something sweeter to swallow than the truth that thousands (millions) of people have been murdered so that the western world, i.e. you, can have oil at a cheaper price than you normally would have. You sicken me.

Actually you are wrong in your last statement.
We don't get oil at a cheaper price from these 'adventures'.
The opposite becomes the norm; oil gets more expensive as control of the supply ends up in fewer and fewer hands.
So the people that support these bloodsucking murderous thugs actually get shafted for that support.
For example:
How did the price of oil fare when the US and UK invaded Iraq?
We certainly didn't get cheaper oil for the millions that Jonkey 'invested' in the overthrow of the Libyan govt.

Our trade suffered considerably as well.
Iraq used to be our biggest sheep meat buyer until those criminals overthrew the govt. of Iraq.
One language school in Ak. lost a $6 million contract with the Libyan govt. when those criminals overthrew the govt. of Libya.
Our tax dollars being used to harm the economic interests of this country.

[SPman]

had a few young Saudi Arabians, the alleged 9/11 hijackers, been capable of outwitting, without support from any government and intelligence service, not only the CIA and FBI, but all sixteen US intelligence services, the intelligence services of Washington’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Traffic Control, and defeat Airport Security four times in one hour on the same morning, the White House, Congress, and the media would have been demanding an investigation of how the National Security State could so totally fail...but
No one in government was held accountable for the astonishing failure. The national security state was defeated by a few rag tag Muslims with box cutters and a sick old man dying from renal failure while holed up in a cave in Afghanistan, and no heads rolled.

The total absence from the government for demands for an investigation of an event that is the greatest embarrassment to a “superpower” in world history is a complete give-away that 9/11was a false flag event. The government did not want any investigation, because the government’s cover story cannot stand investigation.

The government could rely on the mega-media corporations in whose hands the corrupt Clinton regime concentrated the US media. By supporting rather than investigating the government’s cover story, the media left the majority of Americans, who are sensitive to peer pressure, without any support for their doubts. Effectively, the American Ministry of Propaganda validated the government’s false story.......................

[mashman]

Actually you are wrong in your last statement.
We don't get oil at a cheaper price from these 'adventures'.
The opposite becomes the norm; oil gets more expensive as control of the supply ends up in fewer and fewer hands.
So the people that support these bloodsucking murderous thugs actually get shafted for that support.
For example:
How did the price of oil fare when the US and UK invaded Iraq?
We certainly didn't get cheaper oil for the millions that Jonkey 'invested' in the overthrow of the Libyan govt.

Our trade suffered considerably as well.
Iraq used to be our biggest sheep meat buyer until those criminals overthrew the govt. of Iraq.
One language school in Ak. lost a $6 million contract with the Libyan govt. when those criminals overthrew the govt. of Libya.
Our tax dollars being used to harm the economic interests of this country.

I would have thought that they did given that they never paid for the "infrastructure", they just took the oil. That kind of cheaper to keep the price of oil lower than it could be, not cheaper than it is at the pump iykwim.
I get what you're saying and agree, but it's more than just controlling the supply that affects the costs/price innit... the threat of war seems to give the free market economy conniption fits and them bloodsucking murderers bet and prosper (whilst "helping" with the rebuild) from the outcome. That sort of shit should be dragged to the Hague.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I would have thought that they did given that they never paid for the "infrastructure", they just took the oil. That kind of cheaper to keep the price of oil lower than it could be, not cheaper than it is at the pump iykwim.
I get what you're saying and agree, but it's more than just controlling the supply that affects the costs/price innit... the threat of war seems to give the free market economy conniption fits and them bloodsucking murderers bet and prosper (whilst "helping" with the rebuild) from the outcome. That sort of shit should be dragged to the Hague.

I think what a lot of people don't understand is that when these sorts of events drive up the price of oil, the real benefit is in the longer term effect of the price increase for the owners of oil rights in areas which oil extraction costs are close to the selling price of the oil. Marginally profitable extraction processes become much more profitable. It's not just about the oil in the middle east.

It ain't about the cost to us, it is all about the profit for them what owns us.

[mashman]

I think what a lot of people don't understand is that when these sorts of events drive up the price of oil, the real benefit is in the longer term effect of the price increase for the owners of oil rights in areas which oil extraction costs are close to the selling price of the oil. Marginally profitable extraction processes become much more profitable. It's not just about the oil in the middle east.

It ain't about the cost to us, it is all about the profit for them what owns us.

Absolutely... it affects the price of everything really dunnit. Puts up transportation costs, the cost of goods rises blah blah blah... and what's best, they get to claim that it's an inflationary issue.

heh, now you're being silly and bringing yet more truth to the equation. Heads will explode... would you be happy with that on your conscience. I know I would :rofl:

[flyingcrocodile46]

A pretty hard hitting look at the hypocrisy of the US role and motivations in the Syria conflict


http://youtu.be/7BdQa3rDse0

[Woodman]

That chicks quite hot........

[gwigs]

Good post Croc...I reckon the US will come up with an excuse to attack, they need to feed the Military industrial complex...
Cant have an expensive military sitting around not killing people, plus Halliburton needs more business ....

[gwigs]

That chicks quite hot........

My thoughts exactly....:D

[Madness]

The nose ring just kills it for me.

[mossy1200]

My thoughts exactly....:D

If you didn't put your socks in the washer you would hear about for hours.
Maybe just for a short time would be fun.

[mashman]

The nose ring just kills it for me.

Could be useful for holding her where you want her.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So the pundits are applauding what appears to be a resolution to the chemicals weapons threat and the US missile attack threat.

But in reality the only thing the agreement has done is to circumvent a stage of the conflict which might have occurred. (which I think the great majority agree is a good thing).

However, it has done absolutely nothing to solve the core of the problem that has raged for 2 years.

As Hans Blik posed in a video on RT yesterday (copied below) What needs to happen to resolve the conflict, is for the Russians, Qatar, Saudis, Iran, Israel, US and a few others (to make peace between themselves over this one issue) and make an agreement to stop supplying arms to the conflict parties and let them run out of bullets.

This isn't really Syria's war, It is a battlefield where the other players (mentioned above) are trying to further their strategic plans. That is where the core of the problem is and that is where the problem needs to be fixed. A peace process between the actors is for naught when Syria is only the stage and the script writers are calling the shots.

Interestingly, Blik is of the opinion that Assads regime is most likely the culprit in the latest chemical weapons attack.


http://youtu.be/UYdqmOtio3E

[flyingcrocodile46]

Just watched the RT version of the announcement about the formal agreement regarding the cataloguing and decommissioning of Syria's chemical weapons.

Of interest is an RT allegation that during the negotiations Kerry acknowledged that there was no way to be sure who used the chemical weapons and conceded that the rebels may have.

Since I found two RT videos of Putin translated by RT reporters into two very different subject matters I am rather more sceptical as to the believability of RT. It will be interesting to see if any other news sources independently verify Kerry's statement. If true, it is a confirmation that he must have been lying through his teeth all the times he adamantly stated that they had definitive proof that Assad's regime used them.



http://youtu.be/IyBLDt-VvfE

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

As a species we have a very poor track record in this respect and incomprehensible human suffering is the result of our failure. If it is to change, we must make a concerted (and yes, uncomfortable) never ceasing effort to not only reject the status quo, but to never stop striving to improve on and be more responsible and accountable to and for each other.

[mashman]

Inconsistent news

Hardly surprising given the inconsistency of the sources of news.


I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

As a species we have a very poor track record in this respect and incomprehensible human suffering is the result of our failure. If it is to change, we must make a concerted (and yes, uncomfortable) never ceasing effort to not only reject the status quo, but to never stop striving to improve on and be more responsible and accountable to and for each other.

Must spread etc...

[SPman]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

.
sort of like Jefferson's - I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion, or
- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

[flyingcrocodile46]

sort of like Jefferson's - I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion, or
- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.



It seems that the generations that preceded us were at least as on to it as we are, if not a whole lot more.

Must spread yadda yadda

[Banditbandit]

I understand. It was too scary for you to be able to confront and study. The 911 movement is growing bigger and bigger every week as people who are able to break through the barrier of fear and helplessness make the effort to open their eyes and study the scientific facts. Including thousands of engineers and scientists (people who have a clue). Ten more years and fools like you will be in the minority.

You are so full of shit ... It was not too scarey to confront ... It was fucking spectacular .. to be honest ??? When I saw these planes hit the world trade ccentre I thought "good shit - do it again ..." Why ?? Because 'merika has pissed offa a lot of people around the world and some of those people have taken action !!! And a lot of my friends and colleagues thoght exactly the same thing - just that when we say it we get shot by liberal wanking fuckwits like you ..

So I will say it again - the'res a lot of pissed off people in the middle east - they are pissed of with 'merika .. and I don't blame them .. Good shit - do it again ... If I lived in the Middle East there'd be a good chance AI'd be shooting at 'merokans and/or Jews ..

And I'll bet that if you watched you wife and unborn child die in an ambulance at an Israeli checkpoint held up for six hours during a difficult labor, if you watched your children die of curable diseases because 'merika refused to supply medicines - if you watched 'merikan soldeirs shot and kill your family in their own homes - you'd be he same too ..

You don't need to look any further than the anger of may Middle Eastern people and the exprt planning to see why the Twin Towers fell ... And Job Well Done ...

How about you grow some ballas and take action rather than having a wank all over your keyboard !!!


So the pundits are applauding what appears to be a resolution to the chemicals weapons threat and the US missile attack threat.

But in reality the only thing the agreement has done is to circumvent a stage of the conflict which might have occurred. (which I think the great majority agree is a good thing).

However, it has done absolutely nothing to solve the core of the problem that has raged for 2 years.

As Hans Blik posed in a video on RT yesterday (copied below) What needs to happen to resolve the conflict, is for the Russians, Qatar, Saudis, Iran, Israel, US and a few others (to make peace between themselves over this one issue) and make an agreement to stop supplying arms to the conflict parties and let them run out of bullets.

This isn't really Syria's war, It is a battlefield where the other players (mentioned above) are trying to further their strategic plans.

Fuck me - try telling that to the Syrians who are out there fighting and dying for their country ... I'll bet you get a very different answer - you can't make this conflict what you want it to be - it's the ordinary peopel vs Al-Assad ...


That is where the core of the problem is and that is where the problem needs to be fixed. A peace process between the actors is for naught when Syria is only the stage and the script writers are calling the shots.

Interestingly, Blik is of the opinion that Assads regime is most likely the culprit in the latest chemical weapons attack.




I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.



Yeah .. and that goes for you too .. the Middle East is a complete cluster fuck .. who is right and who is wrong? Who's side do we back ???

Fuck me .. I don't want to back either side .. it's a total cluster fuck and the middle east needs to sort it out without outside interference. Do you think you can interfere any better than the other fuckers? What arrogance you display ...

[jonbuoy]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

As a species we have a very poor track record in this respect and incomprehensible human suffering is the result of our failure. If it is to change, we must make a concerted (and yes, uncomfortable) never ceasing effort to not only reject the status quo, but to never stop striving to improve on and be more responsible and accountable to and for each other.

Dude your not making anyone feel bad - I don´t know if you´ve noticed but I don´t think Obama, Assad, Rebels leaders or the UN are Kiwibiker members - whatever dribble is posted on here is irrelevant what I personally think will not influence what will happen.

I don´t think we should get involved in civil wars that "aren´t our problem" but I can see how these "civil" wars can spread across borders and become global issues. There are no good guys or bad guys, its like trying to break up a pub brawl between two pissed idiots. As Bandit says its all a clusterfuck.

[Banditbandit]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

(Cut becuase it was irrelevant)


Tramadol, Codine, Diazepam, Digesic and one other I can't remember 3 x a day keeps reality away :niceone:




So ... that explains everything ...

[SPman]

As Fisk comments....
Of course, while the inspectors are battering their way through the front lines – if Assad hasn’t got all his weapons in Tartous, Banias and Lattakia on the Mediterranean coast, which I suspect – the Syrians continue to kill each other, the Syrian government goes on trying to break the rebels and the Islamist insurgents go on attacking Christian towns and chopping off the heads of captives. Put bluntly, they can use rifles, shells, knives and swords to slaughter each other – but absolutely no sarin. There is something deeply offensive and deeply cynical about all this.

Once again - it'll all end badly......

[flyingcrocodile46]

You are so full of shit ... It was not too scarey to confront ... It was fucking spectacular .. to be honest ??? When I saw these planes hit the world trade ccentre I thought "good shit - do it again ..." Why ?? Because 'merika has pissed offa a lot of people around the world and some of those people have taken action !!! And a lot of my friends and colleagues thoght exactly the same thing - just that when we say it we get shot by liberal wanking fuckwits like you ..

So I will say it again - the'res a lot of pissed off people in the middle east - they are pissed of with 'merika .. and I don't blame them .. Good shit - do it again ... If I lived in the Middle East there'd be a good chance AI'd be shooting at 'merokans and/or Jews ..

And I'll bet that if you watched you wife and unborn child die in an ambulance at an Israeli checkpoint held up for six hours during a difficult labor, if you watched your children die of curable diseases because 'merika refused to supply medicines - if you watched 'merikan soldeirs shot and kill your family in their own homes - you'd be he same too ..

You don't need to look any further than the anger of may Middle Eastern people and the exprt planning to see why the Twin Towers fell ... And Job Well Done ...

How about you grow some ballas and take action rather than having a wank all over your keyboard !!!



Fuck me - try telling that to the Syrians who are out there fighting and dying for their country ... I'll bet you get a very different answer - you can't make this conflict what you want it to be - it's the ordinary peopel vs Al-Assad ...





Yeah .. and that goes for you too .. the Middle East is a complete cluster fuck .. who is right and who is wrong? Who's side do we back ???

Fuck me .. I don't want to back either side .. it's a total cluster fuck and the middle east needs to sort it out without outside interference. Do you think you can interfere any better than the other fuckers? What arrogance you display ...


It seems you really have worked yourself up over your own incorrect suppositions that I am lacking in awareness of the middle east's possible motives or their likely sense of satisfaction that 911 occurred. I don't believe I have said anything that is contrary to your rave about the the middle east. To clarify

1. When first considering that rag heads had been said to be responsible (after shrugging off the absurdity of the notion that a bunch of camel humping tent people could actually execute such a precisely co-ordinated attack) I was routinely engaging in flame wars with redneck fuckwits from the States who had no idea how richly they deserved to be victims of such an attack. A lot of them hated me with a passion equal to the rag heads, but over years (yes I have been sticking it to Rednecks for a long time) I have discovered a lot of good Americans who know their country has acted badly in the middle east since the 50's and I have even swung some of the haters to the other side and moved a lot more from the wrong side of the fence to a position of fence sitters (which is a whole lot better than being on the wrong side). Those people include regular and special force members of the military and lots of Joe Blogs's. Voicing concerns does have a positive (and negative) impact.

2. I despise the state of Israel, but not jewish people.. well not all of them, as I am not a pig ignorant fuckwit like some (waves to Smoko), who will condemn an entire race because of the sins of a few. I have a great deal of sympathy for Palestinians and routinely admonish (concious and unconscious) supporters of zionism for supporting crimes committed by Israel that are every bit as bad as those said to be committed upon jews during WWII.

3. Clearly you have no idea what constitutes action or how different types of action can achieve results. That is an education thing that you need to work through yourself, as I don't wish to hold the class back to suit the limited skills of the 'challenged' members. Anyway, if I didn't "wank all over my keyboard", there wouldn't be anything appropriate for you to get your nose sticky with.:yes:

4. Around half of the rebels aren't Syrian and they are financed (ie wages paid and weapons supplied by other countries). Read the fucking papers and get yourself a clue. Even the mainstream media aren't completely hiding that well established fact.

5. You obviously read with your emotions (and imagination) rather than your eyeballs and brain. Where have I advocated that anyone should intervene in Syria? I have been advocating the exact opposite... i.e
"I don't want to back either side .. it's a total cluster fuck and Syria needs to sort it out without outside interference." That includes all the insurgents, terrorists and mercenaries from and financed by other interfering countries (Which is exactly the problem that I am 'wanking on about').

6. Calm the fuck down and engage your brain before your mouth. :facepalm:

Oh yeah!

7. 911 was a false flag attack that killed over 3000 Americans in order to cover the loss through miss management and theft of hundreds of billions of tax payer money, the murder of investigators and the destruction of investigation records which and who had recently been relocated to the towers and were also located within the destroyed wing of the pentagon.... etc.

Would you like me to find a written transcript so you can refute each and every damning peice of the evidence as you squeeze your eyes shut and glibbly respond 'no yuo', 'no yuo'..? Or would you perhaps prefer to ignore a recomended video documentary which scientifcally demonstrates exactly how far your head is up your arse?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Dude your not making anyone feel bad - I don´t know if you´ve noticed but I don´t think Obama, Assad, Rebels leaders or the UN are Kiwibiker members - whatever dribble is posted on here is irrelevant what I personally think will not influence what will happen.

I don´t think we should get involved in civil wars that "aren´t our problem" but I can see how these "civil" wars can spread across borders and become global issues. There are no good guys or bad guys, its like trying to break up a pub brawl between two pissed idiots. As Bandit says its all a clusterfuck.

People voicing concerns widely is how ideas are conveyed. If good people take the attitude that
what I personally think will not influence what will happen and they pussy out.. they are selling themselves and everyone else out.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Carry on

[jonbuoy]

People voicing concerns widely is how ideas are conveyed. If good people take the attitude that and they pussy out.. they are selling themselves and everyone else out.



Carry on

So other than posting youtube videos on Kiwibiker are you actually doing anything about "it". Written to the UN secretary general? Your local MP? John Key? Syrian Embassy? US Embassy? Donated anything to médecins sans frontières? Or the Red Cross?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So other than posting youtube videos on Kiwibiker are you actually doing anything about "it". Written to the UN secretary general? Your local MP? John Key? Syrian Embassy? US Embassy? Donated anything to médecins sans frontières? Or the Red Cross?

Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

[jonbuoy]

Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

I don´t know who responsible for the chemical attacks - maybe Assad maybe the Rebels. Who supplied the chemical weapons - who knows. I´m not uncomfortable with the message at the moment I don´t see enough clear evidence to point the finger at anyone.

Why are you so high up on your moral high horse when you´ve done nothing actively to help?

[flyingcrocodile46]

I don´t know who responsible for the chemical attacks - maybe Assad maybe the Rebels. Who supplied the chemical weapons - who knows. I´m not uncomfortable with the message at the moment I don´t see enough clear evidence to point the finger at anyone.

Why are you so high up on your moral high horse when you´ve done nothing actively to help?

I don't post only here. I post on US forums and community groups in an attempt to get people to look into and think about some of the more worrisome things I can see happening. Whilst I do see some pretty positive results (in respect to increased numbers of people more openly discussing, looking into things further themselves and expanding their concerns by talking about the subject with co-workers) I am a realist and know that the difference I might make is likely only .001% of 5/8 of fuck all. But if 165,000 people do the same it makes more than fuck all difference. Therefore I must be doing more than nothing :msn-wink:

BTW.. you are being assimilated http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/msn-wink.gifhttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/msn-wink.gif

[jonbuoy]

I don't post only here. I post on US forums and community groups in an attempt to get people to look into and think about some of the more worrisome things I can see happening. Whilst I do see some pretty positive results (in respect to increased numbers of people more openly discussing, looking into things further themselves and expanding their concerns by talking about the subject with co-workers) I am a realist and know that the difference I might make is likely only .001% of 5/8 of fuck all. But if 165,000 people do the same it makes more than fuck all difference :msn-wink:

So instead of wanking on about it here - why haven´t you contacted any of the people I mentioned? If the subject is so important to you - why don´t you do something Pro-active? Draft a word document that outlines your concerns - post it on here so people can fill out there own names and addresses - supply the addresses and contacts to send the letters/emails to.

Or you could just carry on posting You Tube videos and looking down your nose at other people.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So instead of wanking on about it here - why haven´t you contacted any of the people I mentioned? If the subject is so important to you - why don´t you do something Pro-active? Draft a word document that outlines your concerns - post it on here so people can fill out there own names and addresses - supply the addresses and contacts to send the letters/emails to.
That might be your role. I just want to get people talking


Or you could just carry on posting You Tube videos and looking down your nose at other people. OK :niceone:

[jonbuoy]

That might be your role. I just want to get people talking

OK :niceone:

So really it all comes down to a love of arguing and fluffing your own ego - your not really bothered what happens over there?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So really it all comes down to a love of arguing and fluffing your own ego - your not really bothered what happens over there?

You are still focusing on the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message. Are you looking to hook up or something?

Lets talk about your belief that initiating polls and setting up a blog is a better way to go. What makes you think that will make more of a difference and what experience/evidence are you relying on to support your contention?