$19 per hour [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Oakie

31st August 2013, 19:09

How many hours?

19X40=760

760X52=39,520

20,000X19%=3,800

19,520X24%=4,684.8

Tax=$8484.8

$39,520-$8484.8=$31,035.2

$31,035.2/52=$596.83 take home per week...

You lazy cunt.

Thanks for that. I was going to fire up the work laptop and work it out it on the backup copy of the payroll that I keep at home in case of snow, earthquakes and rampaging taniwha in the streets..

Drew

31st August 2013, 19:19

Thanks for that. I was going to fire up the work laptop and work it out it on the backup copy of the payroll that I keep at home in case of snow, earthquakes and rampaging taniwha in the streets..If it would have been easier to find than doing the maths, I would have just dug out the IRD employers guide. But fuck knows where I put that after getting the accountant to do it for me....I'm a lazy cunt too.

Erelyes

31st August 2013, 19:20

How many hours?

19X40=760

760X52=39,520

20,000X19%=3,800

19,520X24%=4,684.8

Tax=$8484.8

$39,520-$8484.8=$31,035.2

$31,035.2/52=$596.83 take home per week...

You lazy cunt.

You forgot ACC earner premium (1.7%) so deduct another $671.84pa or $12.92/wk.

But any rate, it's
Up to 14k: 10.5% (1470)
Up to 48k: 17.5% (4466)
Plus ACC (671.84)
= Total PAYE 6607.84
= Net pay 32912.16 or 632.93pw

Sauce: http://www.ird.govt.nz/calculators/keyword/taxrates/calculator-tax-rate.html (although helpfully this omits ACC from the calculations!)

Drew

31st August 2013, 19:23

You forgot ACC earner premium (1.4%) so deduct another $553.28pa or $10.64/wk.This is news to me.

As an employer I pay ACC for my staff, they don't. Am I shafting the gubberment?

Erelyes

31st August 2013, 19:28

This is news to me.

As an employer I pay ACC for my staff, they don't. Am I shafting the gubberment?

You deduct PAYE from their earnings, which comprises tax and ACC. And then pay both to the gummint.

As long as you pay IRD what you deducted, the only people you'd be shafting would be your employees if you're deducting incorrectly...

http://www.ird.govt.nz/income-tax-individual/different-income-taxed/salaries-wages/paye/

Drew

31st August 2013, 19:30

You deduct PAYE from their earnings, which comprises tax and ACC. And then pay both to the gummint.

As long as you pay IRD what you deducted, the only people you'd be shafting would be your employees if you're deducting incorrectly...

http://www.ird.govt.nz/income-tax-individual/different-income-taxed/salaries-wages/paye/All good then. John (the accountant) just takes the figures straight out of the all encompassing guide book. That way there's always a refund due at the end of the year, unless the pay was exactly the same every week.

Erelyes

31st August 2013, 19:31

All good then. John (the accountant) just takes the figures straight out of the all encompassing guide book. That way there's always a refund due at the end of the year, unless the pay was exactly the same every week.

Yep; Or unless there are 53 pay-days in the year, or 27 pay-fortnights. Or unless the employee muffs up the taxcode, has other earnings, etc

avgas

31st August 2013, 19:38

take home $5 / day

FlangMasterJ

31st August 2013, 20:20

F5 Dave

31st August 2013, 22:04

Is that the going rate for a ghey escort in Fanganooeye?

i think you're worth way more dharling.:love:

george formby

31st August 2013, 23:46

$19 per hour? From personal experience when I was a single man with more vices, that income was just enough to get my hopes up. Now that I have an interest in wool slippers & the Bunnings catalogue things are looking pretty good. But, as my G/F often says, I'm easily satisfied.

jasonu

1st September 2013, 04:32

If it's the only income of a single chap, it's heaps to get by on in a Wellington flatting situation.

Single income for a family...Not even fucking close!

It is enough to run my household including pay the mortgage, all utilities, insurance for the house and 2 cars, petrol, food, the occasional night out for me and the wife, the odd unexpected (vet) bill and actually save a couple of hundy a month too. I was wanting to get a bit of an comparison on just how far a middle income wage goes in both countries.
Interesting your Wellington comment. What I make wouldn't cut it in a bigger city than (80,000 pop)Bend. Having said that, the pay for what I do (metal fab/welder) in the bigger cities is about $6hr more than it is in Bend which makes it pretty similar to what it pays in NZ.

jasonu

1st September 2013, 04:40

Is that the going rate for a ghey escort in Fanganooeye?

:

All that info is printed on the back of your season ticket:whistle:

F5 Dave

1st September 2013, 08:26

Don't forget since you lived here food prices have gone up out of proportion to inflation.

jasonu

1st September 2013, 08:31

Don't forget since you lived here food prices have gone up out of proportion to inflation.

Yes mate I saw that last Feb. The everyday stuff ie the cost of living in NZ is outrageous.

Drew

1st September 2013, 08:36

It is enough to run my household including pay the mortgage, all utilities, insurance for the house and 2 cars, petrol, food, the occasional night out for me and the wife, the odd unexpected (vet) bill and actually save a couple of hundy a month too. I was wanting to get a bit of an comparison on just how far a middle income wage goes in both countries.
Interesting your Wellington comment. What I make wouldn't cut it in a bigger city than (80,000 pop)Bend. Having said that, the pay for what I do (metal fab/welder) in the bigger cities is about $6hr more than it is in Bend which makes it pretty similar to what it pays in NZ.Depends what industry you take your skills to I suppose.

$25 per hour is not out of reach for someone doing sheet metal fab for air conditioning/ducting. But the market is a bit fucked right now. Interior fitout is my game, so if I'm not putting up shit loads of new ceilings and walls, those guys aren't making lots of new ducting for me to hide. Having said that, the earthquakes have sped up buildings being made safer. So things are on the rise.

We have loads of plaster tiled ceilings. All government buildings were fitted out with them because they were the best looking, even though they were unbelievably expensive. But at 10 kilos per tile, and a system that sees them fall out pretty easily people are understandably wanting them biffed. It's against regulations to build them new anymore.

Other metal fab is a smaller market here. Fitter/turners (I know guys that do this and don't call themselves engineers like their qualifications say they are), oportunities don't come up as often or pay as well straight away I don't think. What with kids coming straight out of tech and working for fuck all.

BoristheBiter

1st September 2013, 08:56

It's $642.93 a week and if you are in KS it is $620.13
About a first year tradesman's wage

No job should be priced lower because of where you live, downside of employment contracts act.
In fact they should be higher to live in some backwater stuck in the 70's.

BoristheBiter

1st September 2013, 09:00

Other metal fab is a smaller market here. Fitter/turners (I know guys that do this and don't call themselves engineers like their qualifications say they are), oportunities don't come up as often or pay as well straight away I don't think. What with kids coming straight out of tech and working for fuck all.

And that is all they are worth until they get the experience and quite a few get chosen because they haven't pick up bad habits and can still be molded into the employee they want.

Oakie

1st September 2013, 09:00

Yep; Or unless there are 53 pay-days in the year, or 27 pay-fortnights. Or unless the employee muffs up the taxcode, has other earnings, etc

Struck that last year at my work. 27 pay days in the year so everyone with a student loan finished up having a student loan bill for the year of about $70. Took me ages to work out why. Can't remember now but it was something to do with the annual threshold for payments.

jasonu

1st September 2013, 10:05

Depends what industry you take your skills to I suppose.

$25 per hour is not out of reach for someone doing sheet metal fab for air conditioning/ducting. But the market is a bit fucked right now. Interior fitout is my game, so if I'm not putting up shit loads of new ceilings and walls, those guys aren't making lots of new ducting for me to hide. Having said that, the earthquakes have sped up buildings being made safer. So things are on the rise.

We have loads of plaster tiled ceilings. All government buildings were fitted out with them because they were the best looking, even though they were unbelievably expensive. But at 10 kilos per tile, and a system that sees them fall out pretty easily people are understandably wanting them biffed. It's against regulations to build them new anymore.

Other metal fab is a smaller market here. Fitter/turners (I know guys that do this and don't call themselves engineers like their qualifications say they are), oportunities don't come up as often or pay as well straight away I don't think. What with kids coming straight out of tech and working for fuck all.

I work in the aerospace industry for Lancair International www.lancair.com We build carbonfiber experimental (kit) planes at around $1.5mil a pop so not surprisingly we have some pretty big ups and downs. I would have thought anyone working in the construction industry in NZ would be run off their feet with all the work ChCh is providing. From what I have seen and read tradesman are getting hard to find and the ones that are there earn pretty good money.

HenryDorsetCase

1st September 2013, 10:07

I am interested in how much take home money $19 per hour gets you in Noo Zulland.

Short answer: FUCK ALL. By comparison I think our last office junior (19 y.o female, finished High School,) helped us out and made the coffee and answered the phones started on over $20 an hour. She has moved on and is now a (brilliant, thanks to my training) legal secretary earning nearly $50k a year.

We have stupidly high living costs in this country, and very low wages/salaries.

I know you are mechanically minded: you might consider coming to Christchurch and working in construction on the rebuild. The worst issue will be your accommodation costs though.

HenryDorsetCase

1st September 2013, 10:11

Yes mate I saw that last Feb. The everyday stuff ie the cost of living in NZ is outrageous.

accommodation
Food
fuel
vehicles
books and DVDs
magazines (yes I still buy them)
internet

Just some of the things we get it up the arse paying for because we want to live in the South Pacific Socialist Paradise

BoristheBiter

1st September 2013, 10:15

I know you are mechanically minded: you might consider coming to Christchurch and working in construction on the rebuild. The worst issue will be your accommodation costs though.

And being dictated too by Fletchers.

Woodman

1st September 2013, 10:19

Lots of families living on one wage of less than $19 per hour here in Nelson. Common rent per week is $400 . Fuck knows how they do it really.

HenryDorsetCase

1st September 2013, 11:39

And being dictated too by Fletchers.

Given our man's skill set I envisaged structural commercial new build steelwork. or something. No Fletcher involvement there except if you work for them. Very very different ballgame from doing EQC/EQR work.

SPman

1st September 2013, 14:02

$19/hr.....that's 1988 wages, isn't it?

Ocean1

1st September 2013, 14:27

$19/hr.....that's 1988 wages, isn't it?

I wonder if productivity has improved since then...

ducatilover

1st September 2013, 16:15

$19 an hour? That's a nice upgrade

:facepalm: :laugh:

BoristheBiter

1st September 2013, 17:25

Given our man's skill set I envisaged structural commercial new build steelwork. or something. No Fletcher involvement there except if you work for them. Very very different ballgame from doing EQC/EQR work.

Sorry I was talking in general terms and not on anyone's work ability.

I wouldn't want to work, or do work, for them. I have heard of tradies coming back up as they weren't paying them what they are worth and taking up to 3 months to pay them for the work they had.

All so they can cry they can't get the workers so can import cheap labour from oversea's.

Ocean1

1st September 2013, 17:34

I have heard of tradies coming back up as they weren't paying them what they are worth and taking up to 3 months to pay them for the work they had.

All so they can cry they can't get the workers so can import cheap labour from oversea's.

Aye. Telecom are past masters at it.

mashman

1st September 2013, 18:11

I wonder if productivity has improved since then...

People still make profit don't they?

sil3nt

1st September 2013, 18:41

I lived on $13-$15 an hour for 6 years. Managed to buy two motorbikes, go overseas twice, buy a decent computer, mountain bike etc..

Sure I was never going to buy a house on that wage (and am still quite a way from doing that now) and I lived in some shit hole places but I chose the jobs that paid me that so I never complained. The only cunts that want a "living wage" are the retards that have kids before they can afford to or the lazy shits that can't be arsed getting a real job.

When I was in Singapore the other week they were advertising full time jobs for $5/hr. And if you think rent is expensive here try living over there. Labour will ruin this country.

scracha

1st September 2013, 18:58

The only cunts that want a "living wage" are the retards that have kids before they can afford to or the lazy shits that can't be arsed getting a real job.

Breeders should get balls cut off if they can't pay for their kids.

When I was in Singapore the other week they were advertising full time jobs for $5/hr. And if you think rent is expensive here try living over there. Labour will ruin this country.
I'm in the middle here.....if employers can't afford to pay a "living" wage then they shouldn't be in business or be doing the work themselves. All that happens is the government ends up subsiding folks on crap wages.

ducatilover

1st September 2013, 19:00

Breeders should get balls cut off if they can't pay for their kids.

I'm in the middle here.....if employers can't afford to pay a "living" wage then they shouldn't be in business or be doing the work themselves. All that happens is the government ends up subsiding folks on crap wages.

Or human created inflation should be put to an end and Mashy should lead us all. Inflation kills babies

Ocean1

1st September 2013, 19:17

People still make profit don't they?

Oh yeah, employers are falling over each other to snap up employees whatever they cost.

That's why there's 100% employment, eh?

Ocean1

1st September 2013, 19:25

Labour will ruin this country.

Inflation kills babies

Ah, no. That's me, innit.

Do try and keep up people.

jasonu

2nd September 2013, 05:32

Oh yeah, employers are falling over each other to snap up employees whatever they cost.

That's why there's 100% employment, eh?

Yeah and it is no wonder things are so expensive in NZ with, among other things, the high cost of labor. A high minimum wage, 4 weeks paid leave, a week of sickies, and nearly 2 weeks of stat holidays. I nearly fell of my chair when I heard the proposal to 'Mondayise' those dated days off if they landed on a weekend... I really don't see how smaller businesses survive. (BTW I am totally jealous of all the paid leave, I get just 3 weeks incl sickies and 5 stats a year).

mashman

2nd September 2013, 08:08

Oh yeah, employers are falling over each other to snap up employees whatever they cost.

That's why there's 100% employment, eh?

Aren't you being productive if a profit is made?

BoristheBiter

2nd September 2013, 08:16

Aren't you being productive if a profit is made?

with questions like that it is easy to see why you think they way you do.

mashman

2nd September 2013, 08:48

with questions like that it is easy to see why you think they way you do.

If you understood the context of the question in the first place it'd be a fuckin miracle.

BoristheBiter

2nd September 2013, 09:14

If you understood the context of the question in the first place it'd be a fuckin miracle.

Life, the universe and everything.

mashman

2nd September 2013, 12:33

Life, the universe and everything.

See... this is what I have to deal with :facepalm:.

BoristheBiter

2nd September 2013, 12:53

See... this is what I have to deal with :facepalm:.

Fi jyst yn hoffi dirwyn i chi i fyny.

mashman

2nd September 2013, 13:12

Fi jyst yn hoffi dirwyn i chi i fyny.

Nid ydw i'n fod i wybod bod

BoristheBiter

2nd September 2013, 15:13

Nid ydw i'n fod i wybod bod

dod ar, trolio amlwg yn amlwg.

mashman

2nd September 2013, 15:46

dod ar, trolio amlwg yn amlwg.

ble mae'r hwyl wrth gydnabod y trolio

BoristheBiter

2nd September 2013, 16:05

ble mae'r hwyl wrth gydnabod y trolio

Touche:drinknsin

mashman

2nd September 2013, 17:34

Touche:drinknsin

Keep your hands to yourself.

Smifffy

2nd September 2013, 17:58

Touche:drinknsin

Finger slipped from the D to the T eh? :laugh::bleh:

scumdog

2nd September 2013, 20:17

No job should be priced lower because of where you live, downside of employment contracts act.
In fact they should be higher to live in some backwater stuck in the 70's.

For sure - but try explaining the above to Nelson employers...'Sunshine Rate' they call it - as-if the cheap-arsed bosses paid for the bloody sun, sheesh!

Padmei

7th September 2013, 14:22

I used to knock tall poppies/ business owners / employers till I put my money on the line & went out on my own. I think a lot of people here should have a go at doing it themselves it certainly has changed my outlook. I would love to have a sickie knowing that my days wages are going into my bank.

I see a lot more people around me in Nelson living with pretty nice toys that work on wages. I would compare it to driving a V8 - it may seem expensive to other people but you know how good it is.

As for the construction in Chch - who the fuck wants to work in a house when it is being swayed around by earthquakes?

TLDV8

8th September 2013, 13:06

I wonder if productivity has improved since then...

In some cases it is hard to be productive.
Red tape,permits,take 5's,JHA's,inductions etc etc...then you get to work with people who seem to think they are owed something and it is their right for near everything including being over payed.
Leadership in place due more to brown nosing than experience.
I wonder if New Zealand has followed the US policies of bubble wrapping everything for ones own good and safety.

The generation that will produce people unable to think for themselves or be able to make on the spot decisions due to being accountable to the system.
A system concocted by university trained dweebs with no practical experience that is made into law unchallenged then processed to the field.

January 1976 $1.17 ph - $6 per day - $60 per fortnight as an apprentice Boilermaker/Welder.

Kickaha

8th September 2013, 13:42

I wonder if New Zealand has followed the US policies of bubble wrapping everything for ones own good and safety.
Most of ours come from HR in Oz and are considerbaly more than whats really needed

January 1976 $1.17 ph - $6 per day - $60 per fortnight as an apprentice Boilermaker/Welder.
1980 approx $3.50 ph - pumping gas which was less than 1/2 what I'd made on the Nasella tussock board the previous year

ellipsis

8th September 2013, 14:06

ble mae'r hwyl wrth gydnabod y trolio

...an English couple were driving on the M4...the wife says to her husband,'oh look Jeremy , a Welsh family in the lane beside us, they must be going home from their holidays'
'What makes you think they are Welsh, Deidre?'
'Well they are playing a word game, look what they have written on the window with their fingers, it says, " stit ruoy su wohs"...'

scumdog

8th September 2013, 14:57

January 1976 $1.17 ph - $6 per day - $60 per fortnight as an apprentice Boilermaker/Welder.

May 1969, 54 CENTS an hour - before tax :(- as tree-pruner for the Catchment Board. (Remember them?)

awa355

8th September 2013, 15:16

May 1969, 54 CENTS an hour - before tax :(- as tree-pruner for the Catchment Board. (Remember them?)

1969, 50 cents an hour, 50-60 hours per week in a country general engineering workshop. Nett take home with OT was about $23/28 per week.

awa355

8th September 2013, 15:20

The generation that will produce people unable to think for themselves or be able to make on the spot decisions due to being accountable to the system.
A system concocted by university trained dweebs with no practical experience that is made into law unchallenged then processed to the field.

.

What every self serving gabbamint desires. :(

Ocean1

8th September 2013, 18:06

In some cases it is hard to be productive.

It's hard to be productive in every case, and that's just to counterbalance the usual physical entropy.

But yes, it's become far more difficult to break even with the cancerous growth of OSH and other politically correct social entropy.

Ocean1

8th September 2013, 18:08

1969, 50 cents an hour,

24 cents/Hr.

Not saying.

Drew

8th September 2013, 18:39

It's hard to be productive in every case, and that's just to counterbalance the usual physical entropy.

But yes, it's become far more difficult to break even with the cancerous growth of OSH and other politically correct social entropy.

Employers are encouraged to write their own safety systems. It is not a cheap exercise of course, as every aspect of the employees tasks has to be covered one way or another.

But should they really want to increase productivity due to less time spent on safety, it is a cost effective way to do it.

Ocean1

8th September 2013, 19:32

Employers are encouraged to write their own safety systems. It is not a cheap exercise of course, as every aspect of the employees tasks has to be covered one way or another.

But should they really want to increase productivity due to less time spent on safety, it is a cost effective way to do it.

I know. <_<

Cost effective? Let's be clear, here, the only reason there's even the time and budget to pay for OSH procedures is because of the effect on prices mass production and cheap off-shore labour has. Faced with the choice of bankruptcy, redundancy, and no product to market or ditching the ott safety bullshit we currently suffer then the bureaucratic compliance bullshit would be gone by smoko.

And let's not even consider the safety of the guys assembling our TVs, earning a tenth of $19 per hour.

Did you know that on Mobil Au sites walking down stairs without holding the handrail rates a first warning? That in Shell offices you're not allowed to carry a cup of coffee without a lid?

sil3nt

8th September 2013, 19:37

SPman

8th September 2013, 19:50

1969, 50 cents an hour, 50-60 hours per week in a country general engineering workshop. Nett take home with OT was about $23/28 per week.`1967 - $36/wk - machine technician for Burroughs - it was enough to buy a new bike and go flying 1969, $1.24/hr as a builders labourer in Sydney - 80-95 hr work week, Take home pay about $120/wk. 1989 - about $19-22/hr carpenter - about $6-700/week take home, 1999 working part time as a carpenter whilst going to Tech - still $19/hr and being paid more than most of the chippies on site! WTF!

awa355

8th September 2013, 22:54

50 cents an hour in '69 is roughly $7 an hour in todays money so not nearly as bad as you are all making it out to be!

Sorry I was wrong. More like $11 an hour.

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary_policy/inflation_calculator/

No one is saying it was bad, just saying what the wages were back then. We all got the bills paid, upgraded cars and bikes, travelled etc. Some of us even got married and took on morgages etc.

sil3nt

8th September 2013, 23:19

Some of us even got married and took on morgages etc.Fools! :crazy:

Erelyes

9th September 2013, 10:31

Fools! :crazy:

'Who are a little wise, the best fools be'

TLDV8

9th September 2013, 11:37

I guess people have forgotten when a new (Sharp) VHS recorder cost over NZ$2000 ;)

scumdog

9th September 2013, 19:14

I guess people have forgotten when a new (Sharp) VHS recorder cost over NZ$2000 ;)

A mate of mine got a top-loader VCR for a baragin $1,400 in 1981 (An unwanted raffle-prize)

TLDV8

10th September 2013, 09:52

I also remember when a lot of importers were looked after by sanctions and could charge what they liked due to monopolies.
Going into South Auckland Motors around 1993 wanting four replacement pin guides (4 small rubber sleeve/grommets around 25 mm long) for some XY Falcon brake calipers at a charge of $12.50 each got a take it or leave it reception.
Some $50 when a good wage was well under $20 ph.
Times changed of course and a lot of those establishments that ruled with arrogant abandon thanks to protection at the time fell by the wayside when competition intervened to introduce a more level playing field.
It was that or change to match the times.

Postal orders to buy oversea's.
$1 minute + phone calls to Australia through the operators.
18% + mortgage rates.
Cash wage packets that some it was noted had to take home unopened.
Car less days.
Becoming a 'dollar scholar.
Being a milk monitor.