Cliffhanger Sprints questions

[mossy1200]

Cliffhanger sprints .

Who is going this Sunday and whats up with cliffhangers registry system or is just me that cant register.

Also whats the onsite food going to be like or is it bring your own?


And most important. Will 200mph be cracked?

[The Reibz]

Good luck Mossy, hopefully the weather plays the game for you.

I don't believe 200mph will be cracked easily as far as GPS speeds go. Alot of dick measuring in the world of top speed racing. Your ZX14 should get there though. Did you get the power commander for it btw?

I got my quick turn throttle yesterday, have yet to test out its effectiveness

[mossy1200]

Good luck Mossy, hopefully the weather plays the game for you.

I don't believe 200mph will be cracked easily as far as GPS speeds go. Alot of dick measuring in the world of top speed racing. Your ZX14 should get there though. Did you get the power commander for it btw?

I got my quick turn throttle yesterday, have yet to test out its effectiveness

Nah PCV is still going around in circles in the states according to the track and trace. Maybe im being punished for the Americas cup results.

I paid for priority mail and 11 days later it still hasn't left the usa.

[mossy1200]

Two more sleeps. maybe ill win a cup by being the only one running. Is anyone else going that wants to ride over early Sunday morning?

[fatboyzed]

Bangers n bread usually on offer with cold drinks (coke, water etc), sometimes a coffee cart turns up.

I will be there but only to beat my PB's, 200mph is a little out of my reach for now

[mossy1200]

Bangers n bread usually on offer with cold drinks (coke, water etc), sometimes a coffee cart turns up.

I will be there but only to beat my PB's, 200mph is a little out of my reach for now

Without the PC5 I think ill be slightly short of 200. I think if I was small and 60kg it would be helpful.

[koba]

Without the PC5 I think ill be slightly short of 200. I think if I was small and 60kg it would be helpful.

I'd offer to do it for you but it clashes with Buckets.

[mossy1200]

I'd offer to do it for you but it clashes with Buckets.

Wonder if I purge myself tomorrow I can lose a 2kg.

[koba]

Wonder if I purge myself tomorrow I can lose a 2kg.

Easy, fighters have some good techniques for making a weigh in.

Wrap yourself in a plastic bag and sit in your car with the heater on full for four hours.

If you don't die you will likely sweat out twice that weight.

[mossy1200]

Easy, fighters have some good techniques for making a weigh in.

Wrap yourself in a plastic bag and sit in your car with the heater on full for four hours.

If you don't die you will likely sweat out twice that weight.

But I might die?:baby:

[Drew]

Good luck Mossy, hopefully the weather plays the game for you.

I don't believe 200mph will be cracked easily as far as GPS speeds go. Alot of dick measuring in the world of top speed racing. Your ZX14 should get there though. Did you get the power commander for it btw?

I got my quick turn throttle yesterday, have yet to test out its effectivenessThey use timing lights and a surveyed distance...Which I reckon is all shit, since an 05 R1 cut 307kph average over the 400 meters. Stock standard, with next to no k's on the clock to loosen it up.

Jay (who was riding said R1) cut a sub 10 second standing quarter on a half fucked ZX9 another year also.

The results are less than reliable, I'd bet my left nut on it.

[The Reibz]

They use timing lights and a surveyed distance...Which I reckon is all shit, since an 05 R1 cut 307kph average over the 400 meters. Stock standard, with next to no k's on the clock to loosen it up.

Jay (who was riding said R1) cut a sub 10 second standing quarter on a half fucked ZX9 another year also.

The results are less than reliable, I'd bet my left nut on it.

Yeah man that sounds bullshit as, no disrespect to the rider or his ability though. Gives people false ideas about how fast their bikes can go so they post all over the internet about and get shot down.

I would be taking a GPS with me and measure their results against it.

[jellywrestler]

They use timing lights and a surveyed distance...Which I reckon is all shit, since an 05 R1 cut 307kph average over the 400 meters. Stock standard, with next to no k's on the clock to loosen it up.

Jay (who was riding said R1) cut a sub 10 second standing quarter on a half fucked ZX9 another year also.

The results are less than reliable, I'd bet my left nut on it.

what did the club say when you approached them about this?

[jellywrestler]

Cliffhanger sprints .

Who is going this Sunday and whats up with cliffhangers registry system or is just me that cant register.

Also whats the onsite food going to be like or is it bring your own?


And most important. Will 200mph be cracked?

where is it?

[Drew]

what did the club say when you approached them about this?I haven't. It doesn't bother me enough, or have any point other than bragging rights for the rider. Let them have it I reckon.

But a ZX9 with a tired clutch, cutting a 9 second standing quarter?

The timing gear is getting old, and I think it is problematic with trying to set the reflector up square to the course.

[mossy1200]

where is it?

East West road turning off at Featherston. Google Cliffhanger Sprints and it has a map link.

[mossy1200]

I haven't. It doesn't bother me enough, or have any point other than bragging rights for the rider. Let them have it I reckon.

But a ZX9 with a tired clutch, cutting a 9 second standing quarter?

The timing gear is getting old, and I think it is problematic with trying to set the reflector up square to the course.

I think the standing has an issue that you cut a beam to start so if your 200mm back you already have motion prior to crossing it.

[jellywrestler]

so is it on or not????

[The Reibz]

So did anyone break 200?

[mossy1200]

So did anyone break 200?

Yeah turbo busa. Think he hit 340

Mine did 6 runs at between 291 and 293.
Im thinking my reflash didn't work on the speed limiter. Indicated 300 on clock 5th gear 11.5rpm and same 6th 10.5 rpm.
Could be I have a mental block that wont let me get there. LOL

[bucket boy]

Yeah turbo busa. Think he hit 340

Mine did 6 runs at between 291 and 293.
Im thinking my reflash didn't work on the speed limiter. Indicated 300 on clock 5th gear 11.5rpm and same 6th 10.5 rpm.
Could be I have a mental block that wont let me get there. LOL
When i ran my 14 there it was doing 283 actuall and 317 on speedo 10.5 rpm standed gearing.

[The Reibz]

Yeah turbo busa. Think he hit 340

Mine did 6 runs at between 291 and 293.
Im thinking my reflash didn't work on the speed limiter. Indicated 300 on clock 5th gear 11.5rpm and same 6th 10.5 rpm.
Could be I have a mental block that wont let me get there. LOL

Busa power mate. Might be time to sell up and get one hahaha. Was it a red one that looks stock?
Did you have a GPS with you to confirm the speed?

[Ender EnZed]

Yeah turbo busa. Think he hit 340



Was it a red one that looks stock?


This one? (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-637583026.htm)

[mossy1200]

Yes was the 17k one. A lot had gps and the results were very close. The recorded times were a 1/4 average so peoples gps picked the fastest speed in the run.

The only one with large difference was the turbo as the average was lower than gps due to the fact it was still accelerating during the run.

[mossy1200]

When i ran my 14 there it was doing 283 actuall and 317 on speedo 10.5 rpm standed gearing.

Mine got to just past the 300 market on the clock by a few mm and then stopped accelerating. 10.5 rpm. Rev limiter activates indicated 11.7
It did the same speed approx on the clock at 11.5rpm in 5th and didn't seem to accelerate after changing.

[The Reibz]

Mine got to just past the 300 market on the clock by a few mm and then stopped accelerating. 10.5 rpm. Rev limiter activates indicated 11.7
It did the same speed approx on the clock at 11.5rpm in 5th and didn't seem to accelerate after changing.

Sounds like maybe brocks didn't flash your ecu correctly. Might want to chase them up about that, or get your own harness from woolrich and do it yourself and then charge others 60 bucks each to do theirs. There is a shitload more you can change with ECU editor then just the limiter and rev range, im actually considering getting one and having a play.

The Red busa could get alot more out of that motor with a larger turbo and a set of dumps instead of the mufler, but ahhh 400hp should be about enough. Did he have trouble keeping the front down on the standard wheel base? Wish I was there now just so I could talk to him about his build, mainly his intercooling setup. Must be a hell of a system for him to hold it wide open for 2km without anything melting.

[mossy1200]

Sounds like maybe brocks didn't flash your ecu correctly. Might want to chase them up about that, or get your own harness from woolrich and do it yourself and then charge others 60 bucks each to do theirs. There is a shitload more you can change with ECU editor then just the limiter and rev range, im actually considering getting one and having a play.

The Red busa could get alot more out of that motor with a larger turbo and a set of dumps instead of the mufler, but ahhh 400hp should be about enough. Did he have trouble keeping the front down on the standard wheel base? Wish I was there now just so I could talk to him about his build, mainly his intercooling setup. Must be a hell of a system for him to hold it wide open for 2km without anything melting.

Yeah I have sent message to Brocks to see what they say. its the month without my bike if sending it away that I wont like.

Contact him on his auction. he was getting around the corner before opening it up on the straight. Didn't see any wheelie issues.

[The Reibz]

Are the results out yet?

I will get a hold of him. Just don't want to sound like a tire kicker, im sure he gets plenty of them

[mossy1200]

Are the results out yet?

I will get a hold of him. Just don't want to sound like a tire kicker, im sure he gets plenty of them

Not yet search cliffhanger sprints in a couple of days. I think he had a 335kph average on one of the runs.

[roogazza]

Flying 1/4 mile | 15 September 2013 | Fastest Run
# Name Bike Time mph Km/h
Cliffhanger C1
46 Malcolm Breadmore 2007 Suzuki Hayabusa 4.3451 206.9569 333.0648
25 Walter Rands-Trevor Kawasaki ZX10R 4.7727 188.4150 303.2246
39 Todd Spiers 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa 4.7815 188.0683 302.6665
34 Chris Palmer 2009 Yamaha R1 4.8617 184.9658 297.6737
31 Stephen Mossman 2013 Kawasaki ZX14R 4.9393 182.0599 292.9970
21 Stephen Rigg 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa 4.9469 181.7802 292.5468
27 Matt Cox 2008 Kawasaki ZX10R 4.9713 180.8880 291.1110
18 Mike Sorensen 2013 BMW HP4 4.9825 180.4814 290.4566
24 Glenn McCall 2012 Kawasaki ZX10 5.0111 179.4513 288.7989
69 Chris Palmer 2012 Yamaha R1 5.0423 178.3409 287.0119
19 Stephen Beere 2008 Suzuki GSXR 1000 5.0659 177.5101 285.6748
29 Eddie Marsters Suzuki Hayabusa 5.0881 176.7356 284.4284
38 Aaron Smith 2004 Honda CBR1000RR 5.1027 176.2299 283.6146
41 Steven Butler 2007 Honda CBR1000RR 5.1811 173.5632 279.3229
47 Tony Hildyard 2011 Kawasaki ZX10R 5.2363 171.7335 276.3784
49 James McDonald 2001 Kawasaki ZX12R 5.2431 171.5108 276.0199
40 Peter Harrison 2004 Kawasaki ZX10R 5.3067 169.4553 272.7119
50 Byron Cummins 1994 Kawasaki ZX9R 5.6119 160.2396 257.8806
36 Robin Halse 2004 Honda CBR1000 XX 5.6199 160.0115 257.5135
45 Helen Upson 2009 Yamaha V-Max 5.7707 155.8300 250.7841
37 David Teague Triumph Speed Triple 1050 5.9333 151.5596 243.9115
35 Shannon Askew 1996 Suzuki GSXR 1100 6.0459 148.7369 239.3688

[Ender EnZed]

45 Helen Upson 2009 Yamaha V-Max 5.7707 155.8300 250.7841


I bet that was getting windy.

[Paul in NZ]

I bet that was getting windy.

Yeah I thought that was a good effort too...

[roogazza]

Forgetting turbos etc It looks like a good 1000 is as good as a Hyperbike ?? Busa boys are gonna have to learn to turn the handle.
Local lad Tony Samson broke the 300 ks on an 05 gsxr1000 nearly 8 yrs ago. (with Wairapa timing that is !!!)

[Drew]

300 ks on an 05 gsxr1000 nearly 8 yrs ago. (with Wairapa timing that is !!!)Sketchy timing aside, he's lucky he made it past the lunch time wheelie show. Fuck, if he isn't completely useless at monos. I was genuinely scared sitting at the far end as he wobbled his way toward us at warp factor nine, with no control at all.

[mossy1200]

Sounds like maybe brocks didn't flash your ecu correctly. Might want to chase them up about that, or get your own harness from woolrich and do it yourself and then charge others 60 bucks each to do theirs. There is a shitload more you can change with ECU editor then just the limiter and rev range, im actually considering getting one and having a play.

The Red busa could get alot more out of that motor with a larger turbo and a set of dumps instead of the mufler, but ahhh 400hp should be about enough. Did he have trouble keeping the front down on the standard wheel base? Wish I was there now just so I could talk to him about his build, mainly his intercooling setup. Must be a hell of a system for him to hold it wide open for 2km without anything melting.
Just ordered a Woolich flash kit so I can do my own bike and drop the limiters.
Brocks kept bypassing the offer to correct it line with reasons the bike was slow.

http://www.woolichracing.com/Products.aspx?Manufacturer=Kawasaki&Model=ZX14R&Year=2012&#productTable

[roogazza]

Sketchy timing aside, he's lucky he made it past the lunch time wheelie show. Fuck, if he isn't completely useless at monos. I was genuinely scared sitting at the far end as he wobbled his way toward us at warp factor nine, with no control at all.
Did he lol ! Don't know the fella myself. He's an ex racer from Crashers time I think ? Living Aust now.
My info was the bike was de-restricted and he had a million lbs pressure in the tyres ?? He is a tiny fella too.

[Drew]

Did he lol ! Don't know the fella myself. He's an ex racer from Crashers time I think ? Living Aust now.
My info was the bike was de-restricted and he had a million lbs pressure in the tyres ?? He is a tiny fella too.

He isn't notably tiny, that I remember at least.

Never knew he used to race proper like. Saw him at the hillclimb once, but he and Warren packed up and fucker off real early for some reason.

Think he run tyre pressures too high for the springs. You could hear the thing wheel spinning in top gear every time it went over a bump.

[mossy1200]

Downloaded all the Woolrich racing software and studied it up. One of the rulz is you cant sell flash etc on the market but its ok to set up your mate with some de restricting etc if you plug his ecu onto your bike to do it. Im NOT accepting cash for zx14r 2012-13 flash but may be partial to your good looking younger sisters.:love:

[roogazza]

Here you are Mossy1200, This the stuff you are doing? This is a post off an Amer forum I visit that do mods on Busas and 14s.
Another I read talked about removing the secondary butterflies. G.

I flashed the ECU using the Woolich Race Tuning software a couple days ago (the company is based in Oz)- a tuner from Canada set me up with the map, which was pretty cool- the STP and ignition settings were changed, and the top-speed limiter was removed (as was the Kawasaki safety mode, which can limit timing if the throttle is whacked open in the first three gears). The bike runs WAY harder in the midrange now- the pull at 6K with the new map is as strong as 8K on the stock map (which I still have- I had the low power setting overwritten).

[mossy1200]

Here you are Mossy1200, This the stuff you are doing? This is a post off an Amer forum I visit that do mods on Busas and 14s.
Another I read talked about removing the secondary butterflies. G.

I flashed the ECU using the Woolich Race Tuning software a couple days ago (the company is based in Oz)- a tuner from Canada set me up with the map, which was pretty cool- the STP and ignition settings were changed, and the top-speed limiter was removed (as was the Kawasaki safety mode, which can limit timing if the throttle is whacked open in the first three gears). The bike runs WAY harder in the midrange now- the pull at 6K with the new map is as strong as 8K on the stock map (which I still have- I had the low power setting overwritten).

The secondary butterflies are going to stay in but they will open fully by 3k revs.
Removal gains a couple more hp but costs you in your road settings.
Ill use the brocks set up as a base and change a few things. The Woolich system is able to unlock the guhl/brocks flash so it can be modified.
Ill fuel map it with the pcv and ignition map it with the ecu perhaps.

[The Reibz]

Churr. Let us know how your harness goes, i'm thinking about getting one myself. Doesn't look that hard to make your own but electronics isn't my strong point and I would hate to fry my ECU lol

[mossy1200]

Churr. Let us know how your harness goes, i'm thinking about getting one myself. Doesn't look that hard to make your own but electronics isn't my strong point and I would hate to fry my ECU lol

The harness for the tune kit (woolich) is just 2 wires added to ecu plug. The pcv is just plug in.
Woolich busa kit will do a lot more functions and I don't think you will need a power commander at all. It does turbos etc.

I took my pipes off today to clean them and found a cat in my header pipes. Euro trash.
Fixed it. Didn't even need take headers off the bike. The US headers are the same minus cat and both versions have catalytic converters in the tail pipes also.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did he lol ! Don't know the fella myself. He's an ex racer from Crashers time I think ? Living Aust now.
He is a tiny fella too.

Tony was a hard charger but a loose cannon. Was my build once...but I think got beat up bad and went on a gym crazy bent and became pretty built. He's a good cunt though.


He isn't notably tiny, that I remember at least.

Never knew he used to race proper like. Saw him at the hillclimb once, but he and Warren packed up and fucker off real early for some reason.

Think he run tyre pressures too high for the springs. You could hear the thing wheel spinning in top gear every time it went over a bump.

He's pretty handy don't worry. But like me...old enough to know better. Finally.

[The Reibz]

http://ecuhacking.activeboard.com/t14784871/instructions-to-build-an-interface-to-flash-the-2002-2007-bu/
Doesn't look hard to me at all but I think im going to stick with my PCV at this time as its software is probably the most familiar with tuners in NZ. It also has 3d boost mapping compatibility. I plan on getting stuck into the turbo next winter. Will slowly aquire parts until then. Expensive time of the year coming up.

I only want to hack the ECU to raise the limiter and possibly do ignition timing later on.

[mossy1200]

http://ecuhacking.activeboard.com/t14784871/instructions-to-build-an-interface-to-flash-the-2002-2007-bu/
Doesn't look hard to me at all but I think im going to stick with my PCV at this time as its software is probably the most familiar with tuners in NZ. It also has 3d boost mapping compatibility. I plan on getting stuck into the turbo next winter. Will slowly aquire parts until then. Expensive time of the year coming up.

I only want to hack the ECU to raise the limiter and possibly do ignition timing later on.

Looks like my unit can do busas,gsxrs,zx10s and 14rs. Different harness for each but easy made or can be bought seperatly.
I have the software for 50 bikes stock maps now.

[The Reibz]

Let us know how good it is when you get it. I'm pretty keen on getting one. Atleast with a brand name you have a customer base to back the product up. unlike something I could just make in the shed.
Seems like 300 is hard to break acording to the results. Some of those busa owners must be shy on the throttle hahaha

[Madness]

After a few runs you soon realise how important a good tuck position is to a high speed.

[mossy1200]

PCV with race map installed today and the power difference is noticeable. Also I run it along the motorway and the fuel economy has increased 10% and its running about 23km per litre.
Prior to install and removal of the cat in the header it was puffing black on the throttle so it may have been running very rich.
Might need dyno tune it and set up the confirm the air fuel ratios. Ill wait until the woolich flash kit arrives so I can custom tune all 4 traction control levels and remove low power mode and create a drag race setting in its place.

[The Reibz]

You could always run a wideband off the power commander and check the AFR via a laptop and the PCV software. I loaded a couple of maps into mine yesterday. The one for the arrow slipons and k&n filter seems to work the best. Im running a set of Scorpions, a Pipercross and a TRE. I was running the Yoshi map and that was working fine until I put the pipercross in. I think the stock filter flows better to be honest. I have run the bike with the laptop plugged in, cool seeing everything in real time. A AFR read out would be nice though, all costs $$$$ and thats hard at this time of year. Got 2 regos and 3 warrants to do this week lol