ACC levy cuts

[Bald Eagle]

They still making money and returning benefits to everyone except motorcyclists.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9174968/ACC-levy-cut-on-the-table

ACC is proposing a 15 per cent cut in the earners' levy paid by everyone in the work force, a 17 per cent drop in the average work levy paid by employers and self-employed people, and a 15 per cent drop in the average motor vehicle levy paid by vehicle owners.
The corporation is not proposing changes to average motorcycle, petrol or motorcycle safety levies


BusinessNZ chief executive Phil O'Reilly said better management of the ACC scheme, based on sound insurance principles, was starting to deliver lower premiums.

[bogan]

What a crock of shit, charging like a wounded bull in the first place is the reason they can now offer slightly less high 'premiums' (I still thought it was a levy but whatevs), but not to bikers, cos fuck those guys :oi-grr:

[swbarnett]

but not to bikers, cos fuck those guys :oi-grr:
That's what happens when you're in a quiet minority.

[Scuba_Steve]

What a crock of shit, charging like a wounded bull in the first place is the reason they can now offer slightly less high 'premiums' (I still thought it was a levy but whatevs), but not to bikers, cos fuck those guys :oi-grr:

All because they think us not a large enough group to sway the vote next year

[Swoop]

The issue is?

I have a 100% decrease in ACC levies and rego costs associated with my ride. You can too.

Don't register your bike until the bullshit costs come down.

[mashman]

Didn't a National govt do that a long time ago and nearly cripple ACC? Money eh. You should shut the fuck up and pay what you owe.

[Hawk]

submit and lets get some of those fees back to a more reasonable level
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9174968/ACC-levy-cut-on-the-table

[Akzle]

haha. Whinge about shit.
See what happens.

[flyingcrocodile46]

The issue is?

I have a 100% decrease in ACC levies and rego costs associated with my ride. You can too.

Don't register your bike until the bullshit costs come down.


Exactly! Ain't no fucking way I am paying their bullshit levy on two bikes. It's out and out theft. Until they get reasonable about discount on levies for owners of multiple bikes the only thing they will get out of me is scathing contempt, piss and shit. Fuckem

[kinger]

All because they think us not a large enough group to sway the vote next year

You'll find (IMHO) that asset sales, fish catch limits, minimum wage, etc. will be higher on the media agenda than us self harmers.

[biker baz]

Didn't a National govt do that a long time ago and nearly cripple ACC? Money eh. You should shut the fuck up and pay what you owe.

We can all have our 10cents worth by going to the acc website. Copy & paste into their levy consultation format or email- levyconsultation@acc.co.nz BEFORE 15.10.13 at 5.00 pm closing time. My idea of a best case scenario is 100,000 plus emails saying - WHAT PART OF REDUCE THE M/C LEVY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Don’t be shy even if big brother can illegally spy on us & if you are paranoid about it, write your email in word, save it onto an M-stick, go to an internet cafe & open a new free email address to send it by. That should take care of being put on a civil disobedience database or traced for any outstanding fines, overdue regos etc. Oops nearly forgot I think your name, address Phone &/or email need to be included so if you want to give a verbal presentation they can contact you. Some formats you can tick the box, others you must write you wish to make a verbal, usually at the end, but big letters at the start would do it too. Do it anyway, even if you don’t want to speak. They might think you really are pissed off, & to them it is a numbers game. That is when things might go our way. Add the public embarrassment of another bikoi to the minister Collins (ex police) unless she is multitasking or brown nosing & doing 2 jobs for the price of one.
As a diversion, at the last Bikoi to parliament, 2 of the nice policemen with lots of silverware on their shoulders, were discreetly taking photos of the noisiest banner waving protesters, so I took photos of them. They are stored at safe locations.:cool:

One thing that really does piss me off is that being the proud owner of a 650cc bike, I am paying the top levy rate for an extra 50cc.
Now to add insult to injury, ltsa classify it as a learner approved motorcycle because of the low power to weight ratio. WTF, my PTW is a PITA & my CCs are too!

AS IF the levy is fair & equitable anyway, this is patently UNfair.
Rider ability & experience aside, as the levy is based on the cc rating of the motorcycle, acc should adopt the same power to weight system as ltsa for a level playing field. If a learner rider has less experience, the slower speed does level out the extra risk, if any.
Importers are required to show the PTW so the info is easily available & could even be extended to cars (less 15% of course).
The real reason we are being screwed is probably less bikers vote national than car owners. So if we all promise to vote national maybe we can get 20% off. Oh well it wont happen as we are not politicians & at least have our integrity but not our wallets intact.
I will be spreading the message/rant to motonz, bronz, Ulysses, MNZ, m/c clubs, magazines, & forums. So if anybody has other points to add feel free to share.

[BMWST?]

i made my submission telling them our levies needs to go down AT LEAST 15% too.

[Berries]

I will be spreading the message/rant to motonz, bronz, Ulysses, MNZ, m/c clubs, magazines, & forums. So if anybody has other points to add feel free to share.
If you want to look like you know what you are talking about and are up to date with all the legislation etc then don't refer to the LTSA, they ceased to exist in 2004. You want The Agency.

[Akzle]

is there any eveidence that supporting the system has worked in the past?

"stupidity is doing the same shit over and again and expecting different shit to happen
-moonstein"

[superjackal]

That's what happens when you're in a quiet minority.

I used this in a speech last year:
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -James Madison

[swbarnett]

I used this in a speech last year:
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -James Madison
Indeed - "Boiling Frog"

[biker baz]

If you want to look like you know what you are talking about and are up to date with all the legislation etc then don't refer to the LTSA, they ceased to exist in 2004. You want The Agency.
Well spotted Berries. Should have looked at my rego exemption expiry date notice from NZTA. NZ alphabet agencies are sometimes 4 letters, but when they want to be important like the yanks, or steal lots of money off us they use 3 letters like ACC or CIA.
Changing names regularly is an often used crim tactic to avoid detection & copied by govt depts.

[Stevie]

What we really need is a good action that alot of people will commit to, The problem at the moment is people agree on a good action then only about 1% actually carry out that action

[Katman]

.......then only about 1% actually carry out that action

And they're usually the retarded ones.

[Winston001]

I support the efforts by bikers to ask the hard questions of ACC. For example why have a levy differential at 600cc? They would say that larger bikes go faster and are higher risk - but I'm sure people on 50+cc scooters have bad accidents and there are many many more of them on the road.

To complicate matters there are unregistered trail bikes and farm bikes which contribute plenty to the trauma statistics - but no registration and ACC levy for those.

But leaving those matters aside guys...riding a motorcycle is dangerous. In fact it's what has appealed to me since I was a little boy. Almost nobody among my acquaintances over 30 years has ridden like a Nana no matter how small the bike. Everyone enjoys riding and occasionally pushes the limits.

By contrast car drivers are mostly rational: they don't push the car to 180kph just because it can do it. At worst they get up to 130k and feel like Chris Amon/Scott Dixon. I say this because I drive a Prado at 100k and seldom get passed except by bikes.

And motorcyclists crash. I did. Various other guys I know have. Some are dead. Maybe I'm a single idiot but most of my mates over 30 years have binned and consequently been helped by ACC.

Its difficult to argue against ACC that bikes are not a higher risk.

[swbarnett]

Motorcycling IS Dangerous... [and more crap]...

What a load of utter twaddle. Read my sig.

Like anything in life (yes, including cars) motorcycling can be as safe as you want to make it (and you don't have to stay under the posted limit all the time either). Dont tar the rest of us just becuase you and others like you choose the dangerous end. Yes, it's a choice.

[rastuscat]

Exactly! Ain't no fucking way I am paying their bullshit levy on two bikes. It's out and out theft. Until they get reasonable about discount on levies for owners of multiple bikes the only thing they will get out of me is scathing contempt, piss and shit. Fuckem

Undecided then?

[Trade_nancy]

I agree with the OP - if one's job is riding a bike/scooter and you pay ACC levies in your rego - it is not fair to be billed for ACC levies as an employment obligation as well.
What I'd consider fair - bill me ACC levies as a scooterer for an occupational group - then deduct the levied amount already paid in the vehicle registration fee. Then - either put a debit or credit on my ACC account ...to make up for the diff.
The amount billed to us varies from year to year and is based (much like provisional taxation) on the amount of our earnings from two years ago...if your earnings dip under a certain threshold - you don't even get a bill from ACC. They may end up owing you back - as in my case - they billed me this year $100 for contract work I did two years ago. I don't do that much now - so I will not get a bill again unless I increase my work. I am in credit to them and they say - they will offset against future years obligations. A rort really...but they likely never thought of it when they put the mess together.

[kiwi cowboy]

I support the efforts by bikers to ask the hard questions of ACC. For example why have a levy differential at 600cc? They would say that larger bikes go faster and are higher risk - but I'm sure people on 50+cc scooters have bad accidents and there are many many more of them on the road.

The speed of the bike depends on the right hand.
And people on scooters are more likely to ride in gear totally unsuited to a bike of any sort.

To complicate matters there are unregistered trail bikes and farm bikes which contribute plenty to the trauma statistics - but no registration and ACC levy for those.

totally agree.

But leaving those matters aside guys...riding a motorcycle is dangerous. In fact it's what has appealed to me since I was a little boy. Almost nobody among my acquaintances over 30 years has ridden like a Nana no matter how small the bike. Everyone enjoys riding and occasionally pushes the limits.

while it is a dangerous pastime it is made that way (to a certain degree) by idiot fucktard drivers of other 4 or more wheeled vechiles.
By contrast car drivers are mostly rational: they don't push the car to 180kph just because it can do it. At worst they get up to 130k and feel like Chris Amon/Scott Dixon. I say this because I drive a Prado at 100k and seldom get passed except by bikes.


And motorcyclists crash. I did. Various other guys I know have. Some are dead. Maybe I'm a single idiot but most of my mates over 30 years have binned and consequently been helped by ACC.

Its difficult to argue against ACC that bikes are not a higher risk.

Bikes would not be any much higher risk (if any) than horse riders,skiers,snowboarders,cyclists,rugby etc etc etc but none of these pay any acc for there hobby at all ( not sure about rugby )

[Pixie]

The issue is?

I have a 100% decrease in ACC levies and rego costs associated with my ride. You can too.

Don't register your bike until the bullshit costs come down.

Yes this is the option I have chosen for the last 3 years.

[Swoop]

Yes this is the option I have chosen for the last 3 years.
There is a rumour that another increase, around the 30% mark, could get added to the rego costs.

That means even more savings!:banana:

[Pixie]

There is a rumour that another increase, around the 30% mark, could get added to the rego costs.

That means even more savings!:banana:

It must be the only thing in the modern world where the savings get greater over time :lol:

[eelracing]

The latest Listener magazine has a reply in the letters section from a Mr Paul Gimblett,Manager Motorist Injury Insurance,ACC.
In his reply to a letter sent in by a motorcyclist asking why if his private insurer can offer a discounted premium on his two motorcycles on the basis that only one is on the road at any one time then why can't ACC offer a similar discount on the levy paid by motorcycle owners.

Mr Paul Gimblett's (no doubt straight faced) reply...A key reason is that as a no-fault social-insurance scheme,ACC is required to provide appropriate help to anyone injured on the road.
We can't restrict cover to certain people or vehicles,as a private insurer can.So if the writers motorcycles were both on the road at the same time,and the second bike crashed,ACC would be obliged to assist with any resulting injuries unlike the private insurer,who would decline cover related to the second bike.
The no-fault nature of ACC,which means assistance depends simply on there being a covered injury,and not the "who,where,how" of accident itself,means injured people can get the right support quickly,thus enhancing their prospects of successful rehabilitation.It's useful to take this into account when comparing ACC cover with that offered by private insurers.


Is it me?have I missed something here?Am I paying the ACC levy to cover me or my bike now???Or is this NO-FAULT quoting fucker think we're all thick?

[cheshirecat]

he knows ACC is a legalised compulsory monopoly.

Useful quote though.

[Winston001]

....


Is it me?have I missed something here? Am I paying the ACC levy to cover me or my bike now??? Or is this NO-FAULT quoting fucker think we're all thick?

LOL.

Nah. The ACC levy covers anybody riding that bike. Ownership is secondary to use.

Of course it all goes wrong when we consider off-road bikes ATVs etc for which no ACC levy is payable - but the rider is still covered.

[veldthui]

The latest Listener magazine has a reply in the letters section from a Mr Paul Gimblett,Manager Motorist Injury Insurance,ACC.
In his reply to a letter sent in by a motorcyclist asking why if his private insurer can offer a discounted premium on his two motorcycles on the basis that only one is on the road at any one time then why can't ACC offer a similar discount on the levy paid by motorcycle owners.

Mr Paul Gimblett's (no doubt straight faced) reply...A key reason is that as a no-fault social-insurance scheme,ACC is required to provide appropriate help to anyone injured on the road.
We can't restrict cover to certain people or vehicles,as a private insurer can.So if the writers motorcycles were both on the road at the same time,and the second bike crashed,ACC would be obliged to assist with any resulting injuries unlike the private insurer,who would decline cover related to the second bike.
The no-fault nature of ACC,which means assistance depends simply on there being a covered injury,and not the "who,where,how" of accident itself,means injured people can get the right support quickly,thus enhancing their prospects of successful rehabilitation.It's useful to take this into account when comparing ACC cover with that offered by private insurers.


Is it me?have I missed something here?Am I paying the ACC levy to cover me or my bike now???Or is this NO-FAULT quoting fucker think we're all thick?

You pay both. You get levies taken off any money you earn to cover yourself. Also off the petrol you consume takes a chunk. And you for your bike through the registration. They get you coming and they get you going. Oh and remember they are not taxes. They are levies. That makes all the difference.

[Pro Rider]

Every year before ACC sets its levies, we ask for feedback about not only our proposals, but all other aspects of the Scheme. Of note in the motorist account ACC is proposing the following for the 2015/16 levy rates:
• a 40% decrease in the Motor Vehicle levy, paid by motor vehicle owners

The ACC Board is also proposing other changes, including:

• reducing the petrol levy by 4 cents per litre (from 9.90 cents to 5.90 cents)
• implementing risk rating of the light passenger fleet (cars) based on vehicle safety

You can also find more detailed information on the proposals within the consultation document on our website www.acc.co.nz/levyconsultation

Motorcycles
ACC has developed a fact sheet and infographic explaining how the motorcycle levy is calculated and why the levy rate is not changing (attached). There is an explanation showing if ACC applied the true cost of motorcycle claims the average levy rate would be $1,267 instead of the current average levy rate of $331.

If you are interested in making a submission you can send your feedback with your contact details (including name, address and contact number) on our proposals, or another aspects of the Scheme, in the followings ways:
• by email to: levyconsultation@acc.co.nz
• by post to: Levy Consultation, ACC, PO Box 242 Wellington, 6140
• through our website: www.acc.co.nz/levyconsultation

All feedback received will inform our final recommendations to the Minister for ACC.
The deadline for submission is 5pm 17 June 2014.

[swbarnett]

Motorcycles
ACC has developed a fact sheet and infographic explaining how the motorcycle levy is calculated and why the levy rate is not changing (attached). There is an explanation showing if ACC applied the true cost of motorcycle claims the average levy rate would be $1,267 instead of the current average levy rate of $331.
Lies, Damn lies and Statistics.

What a fucking joke.

[TLJimmy]

You can make stats say what you want - nothing against off-roading, but while not registered, I'm sure they include motocross and dirt-bike stats in their propagander. Or is it registered bikes only?? And fact that, as a motorcyclist I have not cost ACC a cent in nearly 20 years makes no difference to what I pay. Like any good system, it gets fucked by the officious little beaucratic arseholes running it. AND a record profit to-date:tugger:

[Murray]

time for a real protest that shuts wellietown down completely for a couple of days!!

[Winston001]

And fact that, as a motorcyclist I have not cost ACC a cent in nearly 20 years makes no difference to what I pay. Like any good system, it gets fucked by the officious little beaucratic arseholes running it. AND a record profit to-date

I know a motorcyclist of over 35 years who has cost ACC in excess of $200k. Thank God we have ACC.

[haydes55]

I know a motorcyclist of over 35 years who has cost ACC in excess of $200k. Thank God we have ACC.





I know a motorcyclist who got paralysed in a crash. ACC have forked out probably similar money on him as well. ACC buy him wheel chairs and subsidise cars with adapted controls, not to mention the medical expenses and time spent in the spinal specialist hospital.

[awa355]

Another move by ACC to sidetrack fronting appeals??? Maybe.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11279523