XT660 owner's thread

[cynna]

Brought another Tenere so better start a thread since i need to do some mods

first up wider pegs - pivot pegz seem the way to go but looks like there are no cheap options in nz.....

[Transalper]

Pivot Pegs for $300 on Trade me IIRC.
No idea how that compares with buying online overseas. I'd like a pair myself sometime.

[pete-blen]

Got my pivot pegs for the XTR from colemans...$250
what year is yer XTZ ?
Next the 2 fueling mods...


Heres a link for yer...
http://www.xt660.com/site/node/78

[cynna]

Pivot Pegs for $300 on Trade me IIRC.
No idea how that compares with buying online overseas. I'd like a pair myself sometime.


i had a look there but cant have looked hard enough - good price but can still get them cheaper form usa

[cynna]

Got my pivot pegs for the XTR from colemans...$250
what year is yer XTZ ?
Next the 2 fueling mods...


Heres a link for yer...
http://www.xt660.com/site/node/78

will check out colemans and have had a look at xt660.com - will have to sit down one weekend and read it all. has had some mods done so will see what else can be done. its a 2011

[pete-blen]

Don't seem to be any other 660 owners lurking around...:no:
Seems we are it...:confused:

[cynna]

more will see the light....

got my pegs from pivotpegz.com so just waiting for them to arrive. Came with bar risers that are about 20mm so will stick them on this week to how it feels with them

[pete-blen]

more will see the light....

got my pegs from pivotpegz.com so just waiting for them to arrive. Came with bar risers that are about 20mm so will stick them on this week to how it feels with them

I have a set of ROX anti vibration risers.. yer need something.. as 4000rpm area is bad for vibration
and thats where the motor sits at 100kph...

Do yer know you can set some of the injection setting from the insturment panel.. theres also a rev counter in there
for setting idle.. plus the error codes for trouble shooting... if there a issue with the ignition or injection it will
show a error code to tell you where the prob is... you need the codes list...you can also change the TPS & O2 settings...

turn key/kill switch off...
hold down both buttons while turning the key on.... keep holding the buttons down till the dialog screen comes up..
" take note of the setting before yer change anything"
Turn key off & any new setting will be retained..
The system has preset values it will not go outside of... so yer can't do the motor in...

[cynna]

sweet - something else to play around with. Its got a dial to adjust the settings for the mufflers and is i take the baffles out but have not played with that yet

you going on shoshinsis ccc ride next month?

[pete-blen]

sweet - something else to play around with. Its got a dial to adjust the settings for the mufflers and is i take the baffles out but have not played with that yet

you going on shoshinsis ccc ride next month?

could be touch & go.... still got it in bits doing the suspension replacement....


http://imageshack.us/a/img401/3357/74lj.jpg

dose the nob thing look like this?..well the nob fell of mine...

[thepom]

Hey col...If you need a hand just shout ....

[cynna]

The risers made it way more comfortable standing up - could have gone to 30mm but it only came with 20mm in the box of bits when i got it.

Havent noticed any vibrations yet but probably used to it after the ktm. Dont like how the bars sweep back so will maybe look at changing them one day - makes an awkward angle for the wrists

Still wainting for my pegs to arrive

[pete-blen]

Havent noticed any vibrations yet but probably used to it after the ktm.

Well they are almost a KTM.... Have a look who's logo is stamped on the top of
the radiator...
waiting for it to start leaking any day...

[cynna]

cant see any logo ..... but i did notice wheels are made in italy

[cynna]

heres my old 660 raptor engined baghira - its what made me sell my softail and get a trail bike. sold that a few years ago

[thepom]

I like that....

[cynna]

pivotpegz arrived $264 and 2 weeks to get here. Look massive compared to the stock ones - will post pic when i have them on to show the difference

Next up - should i get i high front mudguard. Havent been through any mud yet but the stones hitting the low guard dont sound too good

[pete-blen]

pivotpegz arrived $264 and 2 weeks to get here. Look massive compared to the stock ones - will post pic when i have them on to show the difference

Next up - should i get i high front mudguard. Havent been through any mud yet but the stones hitting the low guard dont sound too good


Get a set of Yamaha XTZ engine bars to protect the water pump...
they are around $300... Cheaper than a $1000 engine case.. "2nd hand bits are few & far between.."
Yamaha don't make them for the XTR so I had to cut up a set of XTZ ones..
http://imageshack.us/a/img401/9845/ssa42011.jpg

[cynna]

havent seen those engine guards before - have seen a few other types. Mine has got some that stick out the side at the moment not sure what brand. My bash plate seems to come up higher and protect the pump maybe its the angle of your photo or the xtr one is lower

pivotpegs now on - bit of a size difference

[cynna]

high mudguard has arrived and brought a wolfman tail bag that fits the rack quite nicely. and my bike is now clean

[pete-blen]

I see I'm not the only one with this prob:violin:... can't park a XT anywhere...:eek:

[Tug Boat]

I have sold my XT660r ( Moved to the orange side) and have a Air box Cover Filter stage 2 with a stainless plate I think it is a K&N It has had very little use if any body interested .

[pete-blen]

I have sold my XT660r ( Moved to the orange side) and have a Air box Cover Filter stage 2 with a stainless plate I think it is a K&N It has had very little use if any body interested .

Pass.......... I like my air filtered...Did notice the HP drop when I removed the stage 1 & 2 DNA filters... Be good on a XT660X motard thats only used on the road.. stage 1 & 2 DNA's can flow 9% more air than what the motor can suck at red line...

[pete-blen]

At last it's ridable again...
Only got to put the Ohlins in the rear once the swing arm & linkage
bearings turn up...

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/7785/exn3.jpg

[Woodman]

looking good...............

[gpcustom]

I must say I'm loving my 660. I did have a 1997 660 a couple of years ago and I hated that bike. But a lot has changed since then. This one is a 2012 and only had 1500km on the clock so I quickly snapped it up:cool:

I'm just about to go down to work and start making a bash plate for it.

[gpcustom]

here's a pic of my old and now my new one

[gpcustom]

this is what ive done so far. Still need to mock up the left hand side and make a mounting bracket
once I sort that just have to make the parts and weld it up

[gpcustom]

my bash plate is a reject it just vibrates badly just gana put the factory plastic one back on for now
Might try some rubber under it but if that doesn't work will just start again




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[Waihou Thumper]

I have a treadplate one on the DR800, it seems to be a home made job but well done. It amplifies the engine noise which makes the DR sound like it is rattly..:)
which of course it isn't...

[gpcustom]

I have a treadplate one on he DR800, it seems to be a home made job but well done. It amplifies the engine noise which makes the DR sound like it is rattly..:)
which of course it isn't...

I just put a bit of rubber in-between the plate and the mounting bracket its heaps better.
just going back to work now to put a few holes in it and paint it black . so new pics soon :wait:

[cynna]

I just put a bit of rubber in-between the plate and the mounting bracket its heaps better.
just going back to work now to put a few holes in it and paint it black . so new pics soon :wait:

on mine there is about 5cm thick foam padding in there to dampen the noise - think its a b and b one

[gpcustom]

on mine there is about 5cm thick foam padding in there to dampen the noise - think its a b and b one

mines only about 3mm and now that ive put holes in it its even better:yes:

Im off to the caravan in Bannockburn 2mrw so heading over the Dunstan Trail & then the Thompson Gorge track so will be a good test for it:crazy:

[ADVGD]

Im off to the caravan in Bannockburn 2mrw so heading over the Dunstan Trail & then the Thompson Gorge track so will be a good test for it:crazy:

Congrats on the new toy mate, have a great ride

[cynna]

petes good looking xt

[pete-blen]

bloody hell.... The top shock bolt must be the first bolt yamaha put in when they assemble these bloody things...
Might just put the stickers on & forget about the shock.. they look easy...

[gpcustom]

Congrats on the new toy mate, have a great ride

Thanks ADVGD
So I've had a awesome few days on the bike. only thing that went wrong was the pack rack bent.
These bikes are bloody great I don't know why there arnt many around maybe its the price??
I cant complain about anything.

So I've been Dunstan trail / Thompson gorge track and over to Bannockburn
Then Nevis /Garston/ Queenstown and back to Bannock burn
Bannockburn to Omarama for the night with my brother and his family.
Followed by a day of boating and left it a bit late but left at 5:50pm to go over the little Omarama saddle to Ranfurly and back home in Dunedin at 9:15pm

I had one deep fast flowing river crossing that did give me the shits but got over with ease :sweatdrop

[Waihou Thumper]

but got over with ease :sweatdrop

So, it's easy when you take the bridge then, huh? :)

Oh, you mean across it with ease, I get ya....

Seriously, nice to hear the ride went well, good stuff Yamaha!
Fuel range is bloody awesome, we have discussed that....Over 500km to a tank from some riders? :woohoo:

[gpcustom]

So, it's easy when you take the bridge then, huh? :)

Oh, you mean across it with ease, I get ya....

Seriously, nice to hear the ride went well, good stuff Yamaha!
Fuel range is bloody awesome, we have discussed that....Over 500km to a tank from some riders? :woohoo:

lol I wish there was a bridge I was shiting a wee bit was deep and I was almost getting swept away so I just went on the diagonal with the flow and made it over ok .
On the up side my bash plate worked well

[WStain]

Thanks ADVGD
So I've had a awesome few days on the bike. only thing that went wrong was the pack rack bent.
These bikes are bloody great I don't know why there arnt many around maybe its the price??
I cant complain about anything.

So I've been Dunstan trail / Thompson gorge track and over to Bannockburn
Then Nevis /Garston/ Queenstown and back to Bannock burn
Bannockburn to Omarama for the night with my brother and his family.
Followed by a day of boating and left it a bit late but left at 5:50pm to go over the little Omarama saddle to Ranfurly and back home in Dunedin at 9:15pm

I had one deep fast flowing river crossing that did give me the shits but got over with ease :

They are great bikes, was a real work horse after the quakes, even strapped a generator on it one day get it home when we had no power.

[cynna]

Just scored a high windscreen off trademe - hopefully that will stop all the buffeting right at helmet level

[pete-blen]

Just put a set of ROX anti vibe risers on....
Thats gives 2 sets of anti vibe rubbers now.. the ones
in the top clamp & the ROX ones... Hopefully no
more numb hands...
Now I need a set of lower bars... Throttle cables
only just make it.... Perfect hight for standing...

[thepom]

Allo Pete....glad you made it out of the Clarence reserve....heard you an electrical problem,...still time left if you need to finish the reserve ride....

[pete-blen]

How about a mini tenere....
Yamaha had the choice of the TTR250 or WR250R motors
And they use the old XT motor:facepalm:....
The damping rod forks look a bit dated these days on a new design/model...

http://news.pamotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fnews24-01_tenere-650x400.jpg

[MisterD]

A good buy: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=693142380?

Or should I maybe shell out the extra to bring this down from Whangerei: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=692806687?

Given that this is my step up from step-throughs and 10" wheels. I'm looking for a solid, reliable thing that will do reasonable road duty with road-bike owning mates but won't care if the roads aren't tarseal and will handle some touring work and step up to harder stuff as my skills increase.

[pete-blen]

The XTX looks like a ok buy....
being a 05 it will have surging issues... but since it
has a PC that should beable to be sorted with the
right map... If it hasn't already been..

Go here and do some reading...
http://www.xt660.com/index.php

[gpcustom]

I have a pack rack for a 2012 660 tenere if anyone interested I have all the bolts and so on

I just bought a giant loop so no need for it now

[gpcustom]

so today ive made a pattern up for a rear rack for the tenere watch this space
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[gpcustom]

all done just need to get powder coated ;)

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[pete-blen]

Here....:drool:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/suspension/auction-695488283.htm

[flashg]

My xt660z 2010 with 23000 ks starts getting a bit noisy in the engine, but with arrow mufflers on i didn't notice straight away, but i did notice eventually. Horrible sound it was, sounded terminal. Did a google search and found a thread that a guy videoed his and the sound was exactly the same. He said its the nut on the primary drive ( end of crank ) so i strip it down and yes its loose, i pull clutch assembly apart and off and checked balance shaft (its fine ) put it all back together. Now to replace torn gasket. A very cheap fix. You need a torque wrench that will go up to 90 nm and a small one low as 9 nm. Do yourself a favour have a careful listen when your bike is idling if it don't sound sweet get it checked or do it yourself

[gpcustom]

My xt660z 2010 with 23000 ks starts getting a bit noisy in the engine, but with arrow mufflers on i didn't notice straight away, but i did notice eventually. Horrible sound it was, sounded terminal. Did a google search and found a thread that a guy videoed his and the sound was exactly the same. He said its the nut on the primary drive ( end of crank ) so i strip it down and yes its loose, i pull clutch assembly apart and off and checked balance shaft (its fine ) put it all back together. Now to replace torn gasket. A very cheap fix. You need a torque wrench that will go up to 90 nm and a small one low as 9 nm. Do yourself a favour have a careful listen when your bike is idling if it don't sound sweet get it checked or do it yourself

I find mine noisey as well i keep thinking should it sound like that and mines only got 3800km on it?

[pete-blen]

mines really quite.... but I am half bloody deaf...:laugh:

[flashg]

I find mine noisey as well i keep thinking should it sound like that and mines only got 3800km on it?

makes you think somebody in factory not doing his job very well ( they are made in italy)http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/shocking.gif get it checked or do it youself, its not very hard to do. pay attention to how it all comes apart. 80nm torque for primary drive nut, 70 nm balance shaft. 90nm clutch basket

[flashg]

these xt 660 engines sound real sweet when all is good

[flashg]

I find mine noisey as well i keep thinking should it sound like that and mines only got 3800km on it?




i was wondering is yours still covered under warranty ? If so your dealer will sort it

[gpcustom]

i was wondering is yours still covered under warranty ? If so your dealer will sort it

Yea I should find out its a 2012 I bought it with 1500km on it at Xmas. I need to transfer the warranty over it runs out on April.

[cynna]

My xt660z 2010 with 23000 ks starts getting a bit noisy in the engine, but with arrow mufflers on i didn't notice straight away, but i did notice eventually. Horrible sound it was, sounded terminal. Did a google search and found a thread that a guy videoed his and the sound was exactly the same. He said its the nut on the primary drive ( end of crank ) so i strip it down and yes its loose, i pull clutch assembly apart and off and checked balance shaft (its fine ) put it all back together. Now to replace torn gasket. A very cheap fix. You need a torque wrench that will go up to 90 nm and a small one low as 9 nm. Do yourself a favour have a careful listen when your bike is idling if it don't sound sweet get it checked or do it yourself


the guy i brought my screen off mentioned that. his had done real high ks when ne sold it. id better have a listen to mine then

[flashg]

the guy i brought my screen off mentioned that. his had done real high ks when ne sold it. id better have a listen to mine then

it seems that many are not affected but some are. luck of the draw :drinknsin

[pete-blen]

Just pulled the rekluse clutch apart in the XTR... just to be nosey & put a heavyer set of springs in before the DB1K...
Being a WR450 unit the heavy springs surplyed with it didn't fit the XT.. So I have been useing the XT springs..
While it was apart I measured the friction plates... there is no measurable ware after 5000km..
both 3 plates that are omited when the rekluse unit is instaled & the plates in the clutch are between 2.9 / 3mm thick..
So that sort of makes the friction plate fiber getting in the oil & causeing big end issues look a bit suspect..
Theres no more friction plate ware than with the standard clutch it would seem..
Heavyer springs can only make it better as the Rekluse unit can only apply as much force as the springs
as the springs are what it works against..

Think I will up my 3000km oil/filter changes to 5000km & stay with the Motul 5100 oil... Stay with what seems to be working...

[gpcustom]

I came off my bike on Sunday. Was going pretty quick out of a corner and lost the rear end then the front went next thing I know I'm skidding along face down on the gravel. Bent rear break pedal couple small scrapes on r/h engine cover. Few we marks on tank and the grey cover by the tank done it's job taking the brunt of it. You can hardly notice any thing happened. Worst thing is I cracked the peak on my new helmet:no:

[flashg]

Sounds like everything done its job. Your bikes ok to keep riding. And your head's ok thanks to your helmet. An off would normally cost more. Hope you weren't hurt.

[gpcustom]

Sounds like everything done its job. Your bikes ok to keep riding. And your head's ok thanks to your helmet. An off would normally cost more. Hope you weren't hurt.

Had a sore arm but all good now. Picked the bike up and carried on these things happen from time to time when doing the riding that we all love :niceone:

[flashg]

I've dropped mine a few times but you can't really tell. The Yamaha bark busters are great a few scratches on them but its a heavy bike and no problems. I thought i would have bent the bar's but no i just pick it up and keep riding. They are built tough. Any way going on dusty butt, but taking the WR 450. XT not back together yet, got new gasket coming will deal to it when i get back

[gpcustom]

I've dropped mine a few times but you can't really tell. The Yamaha bark busters are great a few scratches on them but its a heavy bike and no problems. I thought i would have bent the bar's but no i just pick it up and keep riding. They are built tough. Any way going on dusty butt, but taking the WR 450. XT not back together yet, got new gasket coming will deal to it when i get back

Enjoy the ride I had to pull out bugger it

[flashg]

Cheers. I remember you pulling out, that sucks. Maybe next year. Enjoy your bike. I've had mine 3 years. It runs Arrow pipes stage 2 DNA filter and power commander

[gpcustom]

Cheers. I remember you pulling out, that sucks. Maybe next year. Enjoy your bike. I've had mine 3 years. It runs Arrow pipes stage 2 DNA filter and power commander

Does it go much better

[flashg]

Yes heaps better. Lifts front wheel in first gear without using clutch. If i take out the DB killers it lifts the wheel in second just by winding the throttle. They come with 47 hp @ the crank. Mine has 47 hp on the wheel with a very flat torque curve. Very strong at low rev's. It just pulls hard

[flashg]

Finally found the time to put the tenere back together and it sounds sweet. Went for a good ride and got engine up to temp. A good listen and all is good. I am very pleased. A good cheap fix. Gasket cost $40 plus oil and antifreeze

[pete-blen]

Looks as if Yamaha might/may be up dateing the XT660 range...
XT700... they are finaly thinking of useing the 700 raptor
top end... woohoo a whole 27cc more... after all the raptor is
in fact only 686cc not 700.... surpose it will save having to bore
the case mouth 2mm to take the raptor top end....

[cynna]

Looks as if Yamaha might/may be up dateing the XT660 range...
XT700... they are finaly thinking of useing the 700 raptor
top end... woohoo a whole 27cc more... after all the raptor is
in fact only 686cc not 700.... surpose it will save having to bore
the case mouth 2mm to take the raptor top end....

where did you see that - the info i have seen is that is a 700 twin

[cynna]

http://www.motorradonline.de/motorraeder/neuheiten-blick-in-die-zukunft/568614

[pete-blen]

where did you see that - the info i have seen is that is a 700 twin

xt660.com
twin.... I hope not.. they are aready heavy enough..
there was talk of a 750 twin tenere at one stage... & a 900...

[cynna]

900 triple wasnt it? soo many rumours

[flashg]

Just back from the dealers. Saw the new MT07 with a 686cc parallel twin lams approved, unrestricted 70 plus hp. They said it's the new engine for the tenere, that's what they were told. Now make it a bit lighter please Yamaha

[flashg]

Oh yeah Pete the engine looks lighter somehow than the 660

[pete-blen]

Oh yeah Pete the engine looks lighter somehow than the 660

yes thats the prob with the XT660... there so much weight in the motor it makes it
hard to lighten them any real amount... But thats why yer see reports of 140k first engine life...
The frame could never be said to be under built either..
Can't have everything I surpose... The weight kills performance...
The R/X is 170/180kgs & the Z at 209kgs.. none of them are really light..

[flashg]

Maybe they should look at using chrome molly

[cynna]

did they have any idea of when? still wouldnt mind the 900 or what ever is triple. those road bkes are so well priced compared to the tenere

when i asked about the new vmax a few years ago they hadnt even heard of it going into production so not sure how reliable dealer info is

[flashg]

No , but thinks it'll happen with an upgrade, current model tenere came out 08 in uk. XTX, XTR even older. Must be due surely.

[pete-blen]

No , but thinks it'll happen with an upgrade, current model tenere came out 08 in uk. XTX, XTR even older. Must be due surely.

I wouldn't like to see the single discontinued...
It's still the new kid on the block compaired to a DR650... Now if any bike is due for a upgrade...

[cynna]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/09/01/2015-yamaha-mt-09x-adventure-touring-motorcycle-concept-illustration/

[pete-blen]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/09/01/2015-yamaha-mt-09x-adventure-touring-motorcycle-concept-illustration/

None of the jap companys seem to be building a bike I would want over my XTR ..

[flashg]

Interesting reading cynna. Maybe something in the pipeline. Now we wait.............
.............
And wait

[thepom]

Why didnt yamaha fit the tdm with a 21" wheel
..ideal bike...

[cynna]

Why didnt yamaha fit the tdm with a 21" wheel
..ideal bike...

cos its ugly

[pete-blen]

Would it be to much to hope that AJP are going
to build us a new XT660R.... Now Yamaha are
going to stop production of the XTR...



PR7... PR700?

[_Shrek_]

does any one have or can point me in the direction for a 96 XT600 manual, like to give it to the Off-spring, now that he's an apprentice

[pete-blen]

bloody injection.....
looks like the fuel pumps dead...

[pete-blen]

bloody injection.....
looks like the fuel pumps dead...


yep dead as a dead thing...
but the good news is it's only $830 for a new one :angry2:

[Waihou Thumper]

yep dead as a dead thing...
but the good news is it's only $830 for a new one :angry2:

Holy crap, expensive! Something to be said for Carbs aye...:)
Maybe scout the ole net and look for a good used one from a wreck? eBay perhaps?

[Frodo]

Did you run it out of fuel? Fuel is needed for cooling and lubrication. Main cause of fuel pump failure.
Anyway... I replaced the fuel pump in my Pegaso (same motor, but possibly different pump) at about 80,000km IIRC. I bought a pump off a wrecked F650GS for a good price. Many different pumps would work.
PM me and I'll dredge up a thread in the Pegaso forum.

[pete-blen]

yes it was low on fuel.. mines got 40,000k in it...
I pulled the yamaha in tank pump unit apart & found this little tiny pump hiden inside
75% of the unit is filter screen & fuel gauge sender and a still fuel chamber for it to work in..
A quick search tuned up just the pump on e-bay for $30nz shiped..
So Mr Yamaha can stick his $830 pump unit where the sun don't shine...

so now I wait..........
if it works ok... will get a spare one...

[Transalper]

....
A quick search tuned up just the pump on e-bay for $30nz shiped..
So Mr Yamaha can stick his $830 pump unit where the sun don't shine...

so now I wait..........
if it works ok... will get a spare one...Very interested in following your progress with this... just in case.

[Woodman]

Whats a fuel pump?

[pete-blen]

Whats a fuel pump?

A hint.... It's nothing like the one yer keep in the top draw next to yer bed....:gob:

[Mk12dr]

Hey guys, I am new to the riding bit and just bought an 05 Xt660x which I am loving so far. It even put a bit of a grin on the old man's face when we rode up to pick up his new superduke. Just thought I'd weigh in and say hi

[flashg]

Hi mk12dr and welcome, nice choice of bike and very reliable, you'll have heaps of fun

[pete-blen]

Very interested in following your progress with this... just in case.




It works.... fitted with out a issue... need a couple of O-rings before i fit it
back in the tank... but powers up when the key is turned on...
looks like I will get another as a spare....
I saved $800 thank you Mr Yamaha...
I only needed the pump... all the other bits are thowen in just to confuse yer....

===> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221605950658?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

There yer go MR Transalper , lots of others aswell ===> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Intank-30mm-Fuel-Pump-For-Yamaha-WR125-WR-125-C3-TMAX-WR250F-WR250R-WR250X-/191413883484?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c9128125c&vxp=mtr

[pete-blen]

Woohoo....
The bastard things running again...
I rode it out the gate this morring... first time it's
been riden since the monday after the 2014 DB1K..
with fixing it after the little off on the DB then the
dam fuel pump dieing & alot of I can't be assed doing anything to it..
End of summer and it running :doh:

[eldog]

yes thats the prob with the XT660... there so much weight in the motor it makes it
hard to lighten them any real amount... But thats why yer see reports of 140k first engine life...
The frame could never be said to be under built either..
Can't have everything I surpose... The weight kills performance...
The R/X is 170/180kgs & the Z at 209kgs.. none of them are really light..

sounds bullet proof, prefer this (reliable) versus lighter.

You guys have me interested........ more research required.:yes: like research.......

interestingly this was the first model I thought about choosing for my first bike. Was a bit intimidated when I went and looked at it the first time (so tall, I am 5'10)
so brought its smaller sibling Scorpio.

any comments versus DR650 and any other comparisons etc

[pete-blen]

sounds bullet proof, prefer this (reliable) versus lighter.

You guys have me interested........ more research required.:yes: like research.......

interestingly this was the first model I thought about choosing for my first bike. Was a bit intimidated when I went and looked at it the first time (so tall, I am 5'10)
so brought its smaller sibling Scorpio.

any comments versus DR650 and any other comparisons etc

If we compare it to the other 2 jap contenders KLR650 & DR650
KLR at the road end & the DR more at the dirt end I would put the XTR
somewhere in between them...
as I have said there real draw back is the weight... really kills there
performance.. the XT660 motor puts out more HP than the XR650R
but it's pushing so much more weight yer never know it..

seat hight... If you put a high pipe system on them you can lower
the bike 50mm & still have 10mm more ground clearance than with
the standard low twin pipe system

Heres a good site for everything XT660 R/X/Z
http://www.xt660.com/site/node/78

[pete-blen]

who makes the XT660 motors for Yamaha....
http://www.minarelli.com/indexeng.html