When did conspiracy theorists become seen as tin foil hat nutters (A real conspiracy) [Archive]

mashman

21st September 2013, 13:21

Whose truth?

Exactly, check out the opinion piece he posted up. (facepalm smiley doesn't work)

Sorry, I think the second sentence of "For those who are interested in knowing truth. Others can shut up and fuck off." applies here. Do you have any evidence to deny that ANY conspiracy theory is not conspiracy fact? No you don't, you never do. So your denial isn't fact based. In fact you seem to be espousing denial theory (tm).

Madness

21st September 2013, 13:23

(facepalm smiley doesn't work)

Yes it does :facepalm:

EJK

21st September 2013, 13:23

mashman

21st September 2013, 13:36

http://www.deliberateblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/denial-cap.jpg

flyingcrocodile46

21st September 2013, 15:13

Whose truth?

If you had read the article you would know. FFS

CIA Document 1035-960 is the quoted document. Perhaps that is a clue :rolleyes:

Some of you people (the really noisey sheep who bleat in protest of uncomfortable scenarios) are deeply in denial of anything that contradicts the party line (that causes them to be insecure about the orderliness of the world we live in).

I suspect that even if these people were flown to Virginia and escorted through the front door of Langley and into the library to the declassified secrets section, then handed the relevant documents from the library shelf and had the pages opened for them and the underlined hard copy text highlighted right there in front of them,.... they would deny that it happened and insist that they must have been drugged and that the whole trip was an elaborately staged trick played on them in an effort to mislead them.

husaberg

21st September 2013, 16:04

I think this tread may be under surveillance or something

flyingcrocodile46

21st September 2013, 16:05

I think this tread may be under surveillance or something

Doubtlessly :cool:

husaberg

21st September 2013, 16:09

Doubtlessly :cool:

The first time i seen the tin foil hat used was actually in the movie conspiracy theory.. there must be much more to it than that........:msn-wink:

Fuck look what happened to Mel Gibson after that movie...

flyingcrocodile46

21st September 2013, 16:16

The first time i seen the tin foil hat used was actually in the movie conspiracy theory.. there must be much more to it than that........:msn-wink:

Fuck look what happened to Mel Gibson after that movie...

Public figures can't say a word against the zionist murderer's of Palestinian men woman and children (who also used chemical weapons to maim disfigure and kill them... another conspiracy fact) without serious repercussions.

husaberg

21st September 2013, 16:33

You realise he made the Movie about alein abductions and crop circles as well.(Signs)
Plus the Braveheart one as well, that would have pissed off the royals........too.

I do so love the irony of this thread.......

Woodman

21st September 2013, 16:34

Sorry, I think the second sentence of "For those who are interested in knowing truth. Others can shut up and fuck off." applies here. Do you have any evidence to deny that ANY conspiracy theory is not conspiracy fact? No you don't, you never do. So your denial isn't fact based. In fact you seem to be espousing denial theory (tm).

I don't have any evidence that his conspiracy theorys are not fact, but then for example he doesn't have any evidence that the 9/11 thing actually was Bin Laden, and neither will he ever look at that possibility.

Conspiracy theories are big business. FACT, and you guys are well sucked into it.

mashman

21st September 2013, 16:45

I don't have any evidence that his conspiracy theorys are not fact, but then for example he doesn't have any evidence that the 9/11 thing actually was Bin Laden, and neither will he ever look at that possibility.

Conspiracy theories are big business. FACT, and you guys are well sucked into it.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Essentially Croc has taken sides, where many others will sit on the fence and given that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know for certain that certain events took place in a certain way to achieve a certain goal, then all sides of the story must be considered as conspiracy facts surely? To that end, did you ask if Croc had ever looked at any of the official evidence? I'm guessing he has.

:rofl:... aha, sucked into it by deciding that "we" don't want to get sucked into the official story without questioning the startling holes in the official story. I guess you'd have to care first.

flyingcrocodile46

21st September 2013, 16:47

Katman

21st September 2013, 16:48

...but then for example he doesn't have any evidence that the 9/11 thing actually was Bin Laden.....

Now you're getting it.

Oscar

21st September 2013, 17:19

Others can shut up and fuck off.

Make me.
Or you can call me a sheep again.

mashman

21st September 2013, 17:22

Or you can call me a sheep again.

Occam's raaaaazor.

Oscar

21st September 2013, 17:23

If you had read the article you would know. FFS

CIA Document 1035-960 is the quoted document. Perhaps that is a clue :rolleyes:

Some of you people (the really noisey sheep who bleat in protest of uncomfortable scenarios) are deeply in denial of anything that contradicts the party line (that causes them to be insecure about the orderliness of the world we live in).

I suspect that even if these people were flown to Virginia and escorted through the front door of Langley and into the library to the declassified secrets section, then handed the relevant documents from the library shelf and had the pages opened for them and the underlined hard copy text highlighted right there in front of them,.... they would deny that it happened and insist that they must have been drugged and that the whole trip was an elaborately staged trick played on them in an effort to mislead them.

So not only are you always right, you're so right that the CIA is developing weapons to stop you?
You're funny.

Oscar

21st September 2013, 17:24

Occam's raaaaazor.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

.......go on, make me shut up and fuck off:baby:

flyingcrocodile46

21st September 2013, 17:46

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

.......go on, make me shut up and fuck off:baby:

Your comprehension skills are either worse than I imagined (which seems unlikely), or.... Nah! They must be :thud:

Oscar

21st September 2013, 17:50

Your comprehension skills are either worse than I imagined (which seems unlikely), or.... Nah! They must be :thud:

My comprehension skills are fine - I know a paranoid megalomaniac when I see one:tugger:

Tell me again how the CIA is out to get you:lol::lol::lol:

mashman

21st September 2013, 17:52

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

.......go on, make me shut up and fuck off:baby:

Why the fuck would I want you to shut up and/or fuck off? You're gold mate.

flyingcrocodile46

21st September 2013, 17:58

Why the fuck would I want you to shut up and/or fuck off? You're gold mate.

I estimate that in 5 more posts he will go 'full on Kook'

Oscar

21st September 2013, 17:58

Why the fuck would I want you to shut up and/or fuck off? You're gold mate.

Sorry, I got my conspiracy theorist mixed up.

Oscar

21st September 2013, 17:59

I estimate that in 5 more posts he will go 'full on Kook'

I got a long way to go to get to your level - besides, I have a bike to work on.
Can't spend all day baiting the gullible<_<

mashman

21st September 2013, 18:03

Sorry, I got my conspiracy theorist mixed up.

Not just your conspiracy theorist by the looks of things. But you are consistently confused at least.

Oscar

21st September 2013, 18:08

Not just your conspiracy theorist by the looks of things. But you are consistently confused at least.

To be fair, when you two go full gibberish, it is kinda hard to keep up:weird:

mashman

21st September 2013, 18:12

To be fair, when you two go full gibberish, it is kinda hard to keep up:weird:

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... so you're easily confused, who woulda thought that. Top tip for ya, check the name out before you reply, failing that we both have pretty pictures next to our name... both picture and name are very different. But damn you're funny.

Akzle

21st September 2013, 18:34

oven dodging kike cunts

Road kill

21st September 2013, 21:22

For those who are interested in knowing truth. Others can shut up and fuck off.

A real conspiracy to discredit conspiracy theories.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/conspiracy-theory-foundations-of-a-weaponized-term/5319708

Any room for the mildly stoned not particularly interested but quite amused ?

I mean,,carry on dudes:niceone:

scissorhands

21st September 2013, 23:20

the world is your oyster
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-weQh10beFDo/UiFK9K2oGeI/AAAAAAAAAwY/ow-KEFbPqrg/s400/body+&+mind.gif

Akzle

22nd September 2013, 00:48

hella donder sturm
some nigger been playing at haarp

jonbuoy

22nd September 2013, 02:09

I heard the CIA are behind all the conspiracy theories - they leak these "conspiracy" theories out to distract us from the real truth - with fake "oil" wars and "terrorist" attacks. The truth is (if you can handle it sheeple) THE EARTH IS HOLLOW!!, with a hole to the "underworld" located in the Arctic regions, protected by the world's superpowers with an army of supersoldiers guarding the ice wall around the outside.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/hacked-nasa-photos-hollow-earth-images-mind-blowing-2568992.html

http://www.hollowearthnetwork.com/

Drew

22nd September 2013, 08:03

Oh cool. This crazies thread has skipped the arguing stage, and gone straight to personal attacks.

I like personal attacks, I tend to draw the line slightly further away than most.

Have at it cunts, lets dance!

Woodman

22nd September 2013, 08:13

jonbuoy

22nd September 2013, 08:24

What is this? state the obvious day?

Everyone already knows that is conspiracy FACT.

Pah - the truth scares you Sheep. Open your eyes man. Stop watching the news "they" feed you - take a trip on the darkside of YouTube if you can handle the blue pill - or was it the red pill?

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 09:24

Pah - the truth scares you Sheep. Open your eyes man. Stop watching the news "they" feed you - take a trip on the darkside of YouTube if you can handle the blue pill - or was it the red pill?

Fucking moron. The disclosure wasn't quoted from a youtube. It's just your run of the mill documented fact straight from the CIA archives.

Good to see that you have your head so firmly up your arse's that you can't even concede the truth in the OP (as documented by the CIA). Too damn scary for your tiny little mind to comprehend eh. Did you even read it?? Holy fuck! Unbelievable. Do you have a live brain cell in your skull??? Heeelllllooooooooo.. anybody home?? :crazy:

FFS. All you are doing is demonstrating that you are the perfect sheep, that not only will you follow the conspiracy guidelines as laid out for you in the officially released CIA directive (quoted in the OP) titled "countering criticism of the Warren commission report". You will even do it when the game plan is printed on a bill board and placed over your shoulders so the world can see what mindless sheep you are. :yes:

It's no lie. It's a historical fact. Just how are people supposed to perceive such moronicity? Seriously? :crazy: How the fuck do you manage to get your socks on in the morning?

Some of you people (the really noisy sheep who bleat in protest of uncomfortable scenarios) are deeply in denial of anything that contradicts the party line (that causes them to be insecure about the orderliness of the world we live in).

I suspect that even if these people were flown to Virginia and escorted through the front door of Langley and into the library to the declassified secrets section, then handed the relevant documents from the library shelf and had the pages opened for them and the underlined hard copy text highlighted right there in front of them,.... they would deny that it happened and insist that they must have been drugged and that the whole trip was an elaborately staged trick played on them in an effort to mislead them.

jonbuoy

22nd September 2013, 09:49

Fucking moron. The disclosure wasn't quoted from a youtube. It's just your run of the mill documented fact straight from the CIA archives.

Good to see that you have your head so firmly up your arse's that you can't even concede the truth in the OP (as documented by the CIA). Too damn scary for your tiny little mind to comprehend eh. Did you even read it?? Holy fuck! Unbelievable. Do you have a live brain cell in your skull??? Heeelllllooooooooo.. anybody home?? :crazy:

FFS. All you are doing is demonstrating that you are the perfect sheep, that not only will you follow the conspiracy guidelines as laid out for you in the officially released CIA directive (quoted in the OP) titled "countering criticism of the Warren commission report". You will even do it when the game plan is printed on a bill board and placed over your shoulders so the world can see what mindless sheep you are. :yes:

It's no lie. It's a historical fact. Just how are people supposed to perceive such moronicity? Seriously? :crazy: How the fuck do you manage to get your socks on in the morning?

Dude what are you talking about?? I´m deadly serious about the hollow earth thing. Can you prove it isn´t true??

swbarnett

22nd September 2013, 09:55

Dude what are you talking about?? I´m deadly serious about the hollow earth thing. Can you prove it isn´t true??
I can. If the earth was hollow it would sound different when you hit it. Same way you find a stud.

husaberg

22nd September 2013, 10:04

The eyes have it..........

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn309/wiggysan/Old%20Skool%20Race%20Bikes/2809899682_6d06f940f4_o.jpg

jonbuoy

22nd September 2013, 10:48

I think the US government are leaking the 911 conspiracy material. I mean its comforting for us to know that actually no US citizens died in the attacks and we are not really under any threat at all from terrorism. Great news, I think we will all feel more relaxed with that thought in mind.

T.W.R

22nd September 2013, 10:51

THE EARTH IS HOLLOW!!, with a hole to the "underworld" located in the Arctic regions, protected by the world's superpowers with an army of supersoldiers guarding the ice wall around the outside.

:facepalm: Next you'll be telling them about Admiral Bird and the Greys :laugh:

george formby

22nd September 2013, 11:07

Woodman

22nd September 2013, 11:13

Spied THIS (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9195170/1961-hydrogen-bomb-almost-decimated-USA) today.

We don't know what we don't know. Lot of shit gets swept under the rig.

I can't be bothered researching what has been written about this incident but it certainly has had no impact on nuclear proliferation. Probably did a lot for switch design, though.

Thats not a conspiracy, thats just good management. The last switch worked, all good, kick some asses around the office and lets improve the failsafe for next time.

george formby

22nd September 2013, 11:37

Thats not a conspiracy, thats just good management. The last switch worked, all good, kick some asses around the office and lets improve the failsafe for next time.

I guess the fail safe, whether political or actual, is the difference between a theory & a fact.

If we're not getting the full story on 9/11 it's probably to hide major fuck ups rather than a covert strategy cover up.

Brian d marge

22nd September 2013, 11:53

To be fair, when you two go full gibberish, it is kinda hard to keep up:weird:

Never go "full gibberish".

Stephen

mashman

22nd September 2013, 12:09

Never go "full gibberish".

Stephen

Full retard ain't helping him though... so full gibberish could be a welcome change.

Oscar

22nd September 2013, 15:02

Full retard ain't helping him though... so full gibberish could be a welcome change.

Fuck you're clever.
Took you all night to think that up.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 15:03

Fucking moron. The disclosure wasn't quoted from a youtube. It's just your run of the mill documented fact straight from the CIA archives.

Good to see that you have your head so firmly up your arse's that you can't even concede the truth in the OP ?

I love that pretty much every thread/post of yours pretty much tells us again and again how intelligent you are compared to the rest of us. When did you last get laid?

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 15:13

I love that pretty much every thread/post of yours pretty much tells us again and again how intelligent you are compared to the rest of us. When did you last get laid?

Dishonest replys come from morons who think they can get away with passing bullshit off for fact. That is plain stoopid. I call a spade a spade. What do you call liars who tell obvious lies?

Scuba_Steve

22nd September 2013, 15:20

What do you call liars who tell obvious lies?

Politicians

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 15:23

Dishonest replys come from morons who think they can get away with passing bullshit off for fact. That is plain stoopid. I call a spade a spade. What do you call liars who tell obvious lies?

Even a moron like me can get that answer correct. I call them liars. I call a spade a spade too. But I think if I responded to every single thread regarding riding motorcycles by saying how much better I was at doing so...you'd think I was a bit of a tug sausage eh?

Akzle

22nd September 2013, 15:37

if you can handle the blue pill - or was it the red pill?

dunno, i took both and to be honest, unicorn omelette meepmeep moik.

carbonhed

22nd September 2013, 15:38

When did you last get laid?

Good point and research has shown that no independent third party has ever been able to confirm an example of successful sexual connection between a conspiracy theorist and man, woman or beast... the truth is out there. It's on youtube.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 15:47

Good point and research has shown that no independent third party has ever been able to confirm an example of successful sexual connection between a conspiracy theorist and a beast...

I beg to differ.

carbonhed

22nd September 2013, 15:53

I beg to differ.

Unless you have photos... which i wouldn't put past you... I'm sticking with the theory that the only thing hairy he's been close to is his palm.

Woodman

22nd September 2013, 16:02

I love that pretty much every thread/post of yours pretty much tells us again and again how intelligent you are compared to the rest of us. When did you last get laid?

He is a long term member of the Mickey Mouse Club and anyone who isn't is just an infidel. Has lots of badges too, the Donald Duck badge for over reaction, and the Goofy badge for gullibility to name a couple.

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 16:06

Even a moron like me can get that answer correct. I call them liars. I call a spade a spade too. But I think if I responded to every single thread regarding riding motorcycles by saying how much better I was at doing so...you'd think I was a bit of a tug sausage eh?
Quite possibly. Incidently, what do you mean by "if"?

I define differences between liars. Cunning, Stoopid & unintentional.

Have I responded to ANY individual in any thread by saying how much better I am "at doing anything" than they are?

Or have I simply pointed out;
A. (to select individuals) that they are cocks? and/or
B. to broader groups the likelihood that a certain type of people (rather than any identified individuals) are sheep, fucktards or morons?... and then allowed them to select the mantel of their choice? Which I believe is how the "if the cap fits, wear it, saying came from. ;)

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 16:12

Quite possibly. Incidently, what do you mean by "if"?

Well professor...why don't you dig out every single one on my posts to back up your quote for all of us to see? I'd say just go to my profile and click on the latest posts bit to speed things along...but I know you know this.

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 16:15

Well professor...why don't you dig out every single one on my posts to back up your quote for all of us to see?

you first gr-asshoper :laugh: Except that you only have to find ONE post.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 16:18

you first gr-asshoper :laugh: Except that you only have to find ONE post.

Surely you're smart enough to know you should never answer a question with a question? Questions demand answers!

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 16:22

Surely you're smart enough to know you should never answer a question with a question? Questions demand answers!

I am smart enough to know that I didn't respond to your question with a question before I answered your question :bleh:

Btw. You haven't answered my question (which kinda makes your quoted post a tad ironic).. In case you forgot what my question was...
Quite possibly. Incidently, what do you mean by "if"?

mashman

22nd September 2013, 16:35

Fuck you're clever.
Took you all night to think that up.

Not really, I thought we'd established that.
Under 5 seconds, but as I am unable to prove that, there was approximately 16 minutes between the post I quoted and my post, so all night is a bit of a stretch.

mashman

22nd September 2013, 16:36

Surely you're smart enough to know you should never answer a question with a question? Questions demand answers!

Nah... it's only politeness and respect to answer questions that have been asked. You demanding answers is nothing more than tyrannical you bwute.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 16:37

Incidently, what do you mean by "if"?

Now...by *if* you're saying that in actual fact I do tell everyone how much better I am on a motorcycle than them in every single post I put up (which is of course what I first said to you in regards to your superiority mentally)...I called you on it, and asked you to provide proof. I know you conspiracy theorists are great on proof...but hey! You know...show me every single post/thread of mine backing up the "what do you mean *if"

Well professor...why don't you dig out every single one on my posts to back up your quote for all of us to see? I'd say just go to my profile and click on the latest posts bit to speed things along...but I know you know this.

So I ask you here to back it up.

you first gr-asshoper :laugh: Except that you only have to find ONE post.

You ask (and yes you could argue you didn't ask a question you made a statement...but that's weak) me to go first. But really...that's simply avoiding the question I asked you to supply evidence of innit?

I am smart enough to know that I didn't ask you a question :bleh:

Btw. You haven't answered my question (which kinda makes your quoted post a tad ironic).. In case you forgot what my question was...

And there you go again...

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 16:38

Nah... it's only politeness and respect to answer questions that have been asked. You demanding answers is nothing more than tyrannical you bwute.

Lol. Sorry! Spank me.

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 16:39

I am smart enough to know that I didn't respond to your question with a question before I answered your question :bleh:

Btw. You haven't answered my question (which kinda makes your quoted post a tad ironic).. In case you forgot what my question was...

No?

Ok. While we are waiting, I will do the best I can to truthfully answer your question.. now what was it.. oh that's right :laugh:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1130615456#post1130615456)

Quite possibly. Incidently, what do you mean by "if"?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1130615460#post1130615460)

Well professor...why don't you dig out every single one on my posts to back up your quote for all of us to see?

It's a trick question that can't be answered. I didn't "Quote" 'quote' or make a statement. I asked a question.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 16:42

It's a trick question that can't be answered. I didn't "Quote" 'quote' or make a statement. I asked a question.

Time out. I need another beer! These other ones haven't worked as planned.

flyingcrocodile46

22nd September 2013, 16:44

Time out. I need another beer! These other ones haven't worked as planned.

Ok. I'll smoke the joint. ;)

Crasherfromwayback

22nd September 2013, 16:45

Ok. I'll smoke the joint. ;)

Lol. I might need to do that too.

mashman

22nd September 2013, 16:45

Lol. Sorry! Spank me.

Not a chance... you'll only put word out and my bike will never get fixed properly by Welly's finest, oh hang on... then again, I will if it's what's required to get decent service ;)

SPman

22nd September 2013, 18:09

As the Milgram experiments showed, 2/3rds of people will obey or believe a perceived authority, even if they think it's wrong or don't agree with it. Then they'll get all antsy to justify their compliance or belief and attack those who don't......

That's assuming they aren't just completely clueless to start with and so wish to remain.........

Brian d marge

23rd September 2013, 03:11

May i add a small amount of criticism here

I would like to interject one small point that most seem to be over looking

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/3bZzM4s0Hgs?list=PL0D596628574384C4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Stephen

Banditbandit

23rd September 2013, 10:14

Drew

23rd September 2013, 10:45

Don't you people know the basic rules of conspiracy ?

Conspiracies MUST be secret and hidden ... ergo ... If you can see it - it is not a conspiracy ..

So everything you think is a conspiracy really isn't ... simply because you can see it ...

Once a conspiracy is uncovered, it's just a run of the mill scandal. There's no fun in those though, so theorists keep adding to remaining covered stuff.

Jeeze, don't you know anything? It mstar still be covered. Hehehe.

flyingcrocodile46

27th September 2013, 17:48

Once a conspiracy is uncovered, it's just a run of the mill scandal. There's no fun in those though, so theorists keep adding to remaining covered stuff.

Jeeze, don't you know anything? It mstar still be covered. Hehehe.

Someone forgot to tell the Yanks.

(Reuters) - Nine companies based in Japan (http://www.reuters.com/places/japan) and two executives have agreed to plead guilty and to pay almost $745 million in fines for their roles in long-running conspiracies to fix the prices of auto parts sold to U.S. car manufacturers, the Department of Justice said on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/26/us-usa-justice-auto-parts-idUSBRE98P0TE20130926

husaberg

27th September 2013, 17:53

Someone forgot to tell the Yanks.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/26/us-usa-justice-auto-parts-idUSBRE98P0TE20130926

Ever heard of Opec.................

Brian d marge

27th September 2013, 17:57

The Japanese are as dodgy as the day is long , trust me

Stephen

mashman

27th September 2013, 17:59

Someone forgot to tell the Yanks.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/26/us-usa-justice-auto-parts-idUSBRE98P0TE20130926

Business is business.

Crasherfromwayback

27th September 2013, 18:20

The Japanese are as dodgy as the day is long , trust me

Stephen

Lol. So are you geezer!

Woodman

27th September 2013, 19:47

Someone forgot to tell the Yanks.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/26/us-usa-justice-auto-parts-idUSBRE98P0TE20130926

Finally you come up with something that actually happened.

Not very interesting these actual "conspiracies" aye ?

pzkpfw

27th September 2013, 20:03

It seems: "some conspiracies are real, therefore all proposed conspiracies are real".

And: "Governments sometimes lie, therefore everything governments say are lies".

... and there's that 100% thing again, where the tin foil hatters see the World in B&W.

Whereas the rest of us know that conspiracies, government lies, etc etc etc all can and do happen - we just want to see the proof before accepting that some given claimed event really was a conspiracy or Government lie, or Alien anal probing or whatever the claim of the day is.

Katman

27th September 2013, 20:09

Whereas the rest of us know that conspiracies, government lies, etc etc etc all can and do happen - we just want to see the proof before accepting that some given claimed event really was a conspiracy or Government lie, or Alien anal probing or whatever the claim of the day is.

If you're not prepared to watch the videos that have been linked to then you clearly have no interest in seeing proof.

flyingcrocodile46

27th September 2013, 20:11

Finally you come up with something that actually happened.

Not very interesting these actual "conspiracies" aye ?

They are everywhere and many have been admitted. I'm amazed you see this one, but rather suspect that the only reason, is that the US govt officially used the word 'conspiracy' to describe it. Had they not done so I am pretty sure that you wouldn't acknowledge that it even happened they way described, let alone that it as a conspiracy. Well done Yuo.

flyingcrocodile46

27th September 2013, 20:14

Scuba_Steve

27th September 2013, 20:17

It seems: "some conspiracies are false, therefore all proposed conspiracies are false".

And: "Governments sometimes tell truth, therefore everything governments say are the truth".

... and there's that 100% thing again, where the blanker wearing see the World in B&W.

Whereas the rest of us know that sometimes governments are honest & tell truth, etc etc etc all can and occasionally happen - we just look to see the proof before accepting the propaganda the Govt or corporate media give us

yep, gotta agree with you there

pzkpfw

27th September 2013, 20:29

If you're not prepared to watch the videos that have been linked to then you clearly have no interest in seeing proof.

Nah, the thing is I've been there and done that. 9/11 was a few years ago, now, and I've been through the discussions long ago on forums involving actual aerospace engineers and such.

I'm not wasting my time on youtube videos - they only exist to sway the gullible. Show me somewhere with text - at least I can scan that to see if there are new arguments. Then I'll know I'm not wasting my time on the same old same old innuendo and rubbish. (Geez, I've seen little posted here that's new or even half-way logical.)

(I once sat through a youtube video where a guy stuffed a few old newspapers into a wire animal cage (it was for hamsters or cats or something). He stuck a cinder block on the cage, then lit the newspapers. That the block didn't crush the cage was then somehow "proof" that the WTC must have been demolished.

I mean, FFS, that's the kind of "proof" on youtube that the tin foilers swallow.)

... but anyway, that's why I'm not really bothering to debate the (non-existing) issues here; I'm more commenting on the tin foil mind set.

e.g. I actually respect mashman, but heck, I've seen a post where his "logical argument" really did boil down to "Governments have lied therefore it's a fact that the thing I'm saying is a lie, is a lie". That's just nuts.

Katman

27th September 2013, 21:04

mashman

27th September 2013, 21:09

e.g. I actually respect mashman, but heck, I've seen a post where his "logical argument" really did boil down to "Governments have lied therefore it's a fact that the thing I'm saying is a lie, is a lie". That's just nuts.

I r respected :shit: are you sure you want to crack the seventh seal ;). If it's the post I'm thinking about, I can only suggest you read it again. Govts have experimented on their populations and admitted it, not at the time, but some years later when documents become declassified. What are govts not capable of? Merely pointing out that I wouldn't put a 9/11 passed them at all and it's such a mess in regards to the evidence, I see no reason at all to exclude them from the list of suspects... in fact what I have seen and read, even the pro-govt doco/view of what happened, bumps them to the top of the list alongside AQ. A tie if you will. By design if you want.

Woodman

28th September 2013, 08:09

Nah, the thing is I've been there and done that. 9/11 was a few years ago, now, and I've been through the discussions long ago on forums involving actual aerospace engineers and such.

I'm not wasting my time on youtube videos - they only exist to sway the gullible. Show me somewhere with text - at least I can scan that to see if there are new arguments. Then I'll know I'm not wasting my time on the same old same old innuendo and rubbish. (Geez, I've seen little posted here that's new or even half-way logical.)

(I once sat through a youtube video where a guy stuffed a few old newspapers into a wire animal cage (it was for hamsters or cats or something). He stuck a cinder block on the cage, then lit the newspapers. That the block didn't crush the cage was then somehow "proof" that the WTC must have been demolished.

I mean, FFS, that's the kind of "proof" on youtube that the tin foilers swallow.)

... but anyway, that's why I'm not really bothering to debate the (non-existing) issues here; I'm more commenting on the tin foil mind set.

e.g. I actually respect mashman, but heck, I've seen a post where his "logical argument" really did boil down to "Governments have lied therefore it's a fact that the thing I'm saying is a lie, is a lie". That's just nuts.

Great post, and to re-iterate, it is not the fact that there are not conspiracies, it is the fact that the tinfoil hat wearers do not consider that any government is telling the truth therefore youtube must be true. Its ridiculous, amusing and bloody entertaining.

pzkpfw

28th September 2013, 10:31

I suppose that response is much easier than trying to answer any of the questions on the videos.

Easy?

You mean like basing an argument on "go look at this youtube video"?!

Any fool can make a youtube video, and it's very easy to splurge a bunch of questions out and make innuendos that make other people swallow the idea. It's a well known psychological effect that quantity of argument can make the argument seem accurate - even if the quality of argument is crap.

That's why, in a discussion forum like this, I'd prefer to see the argument done in text. Make a claim, and give the background. Then anyone who cares can do research to counter that claim and post up the response. If you did that - I'd respond to you (though I have to note I'd have little time for that for a few weeks, due to other reasons). That'd make more sense than simply flinging youtube URL's back and forth. (I'd expect there to be more tin foil videos on youtube than reality. That'd be more about the kind of people who bother making youtube videos than any "evidence" of who is "right", so I'm not going to get into a game of youtube-snap.)

pzkpfw

28th September 2013, 10:35

Great post, and to re-iterate, it is not the fact that their are not conspiracies, it is the fact that the tinfoil hat wearers do not consider that any government is telling the truth therefore youtube must be true. Its ridiculous, amusing and bloody entertaining.

Yep.

This is why I like to point out the 100% or B&W thinking of the tin foilers. They like to portray themselves as the open-minded ones; but really they are just jumping to a conclusion that suits them, and doing it by applying absolutes to things. "Governments always lie!" etc. It is us realists that are the open minded ones, we know and freely admit that Governments sometimes lie. (And even then, it'd sometimes be for good reasons). We know the World is grey, not black and white.

mashman

28th September 2013, 10:53

Dear youtube deniers. If the sole basis of your position in regards to tin foil hatting is because a vid is posted, then you do yourselves, and others, a disservice. A video is posted for ease of access to information that in many cases has been sourced from many documents. This is exactly the same as watching a documentary or watching the news. Evidence is gathered and opinion is offered. In other words the legwork has already been done and wrapped up in a pretty parcel for people to view and make their own minds up. Heaven forbid anyone might actually do a little reading themselves to counter/confirm what is being put forwards by the tin foil hat brigade :facepalm:.

NB: Just because you can "debunk" 5 or 6 points in hours of video that has taken years of research does not immediately rule out the rest of the research.

So carry on denying on the sole basis that someone posted a youtube video :facepalm: :facepalm:

mashman

28th September 2013, 11:00

Yep.

This is why I like to point out the 100% or B&W thinking of the tin foilers. They like to portray themselves as the open-minded ones; but really they are just jumping to a conclusion that suits them, and doing it by applying absolutes to things. "Governments always lie!" etc. It is us realists that are the open minded ones, we know and freely admit that Governments sometimes lie. (And even then, it'd sometimes be for good reasons). We know the World is grey, not black and white.

What utter bullshit. You need to open your mind a little further me thinks if all you have is that TFH's see things in black and white and apply absolutes to the things they read/see. The stupid belief that all it takes is a youtube vid to seal the deal is actually beyond stupid as every single piece of research that is undertaken follows exactly the same processes and patterns as any other research undertaken (i.e. climate change, PC development, solar dynamics, the age of the Universe etc...)

p.s. love your shade of grey label that you pin on the TFH's... that shows a real open mind.

Katman

28th September 2013, 11:02

Any fool can make a youtube video.....

What do you mean by "make a youtube video"?

The videos that I'm referring to make up about 5 hours of viewing and are presented in the manner of a (long) feature length documentary. It just so happens that someone has also uploaded it to youtube.

The fact that it appears on youtube in no way lessens the credibility of the information that is presented.

To suggest that anything presented on youtube is automatically crap shows a very twisted (and fundamentally flawed) argument and indicates that you really have nothing to offer in response.

Woodman

28th September 2013, 12:06

What utter bullshit. You need to open your mind a little further me thinks if all you have is that TFH's see things in black and white and apply absolutes to the things they read/see. The stupid belief that all it takes is a youtube vid to seal the deal is actually beyond stupid as every single piece of research that is undertaken follows exactly the same processes and patterns as any other research undertaken (i.e. climate change, PC development, solar dynamics, the age of the Universe etc...)

p.s. love your shade of grey label that you pin on the TFH's... that shows a real open mind.

You should tell that Crocodile guy to open his mind. With his attitude to anyone that questions his theories or sources, is it any wonder the TFW's * have such a bad name. Seriously, he comes across as a raving lunatic. He may well be right, but who the fuck believes raving lunatics?

* Conspiracy theorists.

mashman

28th September 2013, 12:25

You should tell that Crocodile guy to open his mind. With his attitude to anyone that questions his theories or sources, is it any wonder the TFW's * have such a bad name. Seriously, he comes across as a raving lunatic. He may well be right, but who the fuck believes raving lunatics?

* Conspiracy theorists.

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... sorry, but I find that rather amusing. I read his posts differently and not just the on-topic stuff. Funny thing is, the content of his posts isn't that different to any other's on here from either side of the conspiracy fence. His repartee is by far superior however and his posts are much more entertaining to read than, well, everyone else's. Grow a pair and engage, but please stop whining like a POM... that's my job.

NB for pzkpfw/carbonhed/Oscar and that wanker Woodman: That does not mean I swallow what he gives me without question. Katman and Hinny do, but that's because they're mindless morons who see things in Black & White and need to be led using pictures instead of the written word. Fuckin muppets.

Woodman

28th September 2013, 12:32

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... sorry, but I find that rather amusing. I read his posts differently and not just the on-topic stuff. Funny thing is, the content of his posts isn't that different to any other's on here from either side of the conspiracy fence. His repartee is by far superior however and his posts are much more entertaining to read than, well, everyone else's. Grow a pair and engage, but please stop whining like a POM... that's my job.

NB for pzkpfw/carbonhed/Oscar and that wanker Woodman: That does not mean I swallow what he gives me without question. Katman and Hinny do, but that's because they're mindless morons who see things in Black & White and need to be led using pictures instead of the written word. Fuckin muppets.

The atom bomb version of trolling.

Oscar

28th September 2013, 12:42

The atom bomb version of trolling.

A fucking idiot with a high opinion of himself posting on the interweb...imagine that!

mashman

28th September 2013, 12:56

The atom bomb version of trolling.

:rofl:... nah, I'd go for information with a smile.

Drew

28th September 2013, 13:43

What do you mean by "make a youtube video"?

The videos that I'm referring to make up about 5 hours of viewing and are presented in the manner of a (long) feature length documentary. It just so happens that someone has also uploaded it to youtube.

The fact that it appears on youtube in no way lessens the credibility of the information that is presented.

To suggest that anything presented on youtube is automatically crap shows a very twisted (and fundamentally flawed) argument and indicates that you really have nothing to offer in response.
I think I'm gonna start a thread, to get you laid man. You've got too much time on your fucken hands clearly!

Weren't you dogging that bosslady chick? I'm sure that's a better use of your time, even if you do need to fix her bikes for free.

Katman

28th September 2013, 13:56

Weren't you dogging that bosslady chick? I'm sure that's a better use of your time, even if you do need to fix her bikes for free.

I wish I could figure out what that means.

Drew

28th September 2013, 14:12

I wish I could figure out what that means.
You aint that old bro, I'm sure you can figure it out.

Madness

28th September 2013, 17:49

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dogging

:corn:

Katman

28th September 2013, 19:16

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dogging

:corn:

Are you telling me Drew's been spying on me?

Drew

28th September 2013, 19:19

Are you telling me Drew's been spying on me?Just having the time to spy on you, would be nice.

But I've just learned you are married. So now that we know you're not getting any, maybe we should do a whip around for some hand cream.

bosslady

28th September 2013, 19:39

haha so funny!

mashman

28th September 2013, 20:17

Weren't you dogging that bosslady chick? I'm sure that's a better use of your time, even if you do need to fix her bikes for free.

So this was just a conspiracy theory. So very disappointing.

husaberg

28th September 2013, 20:52

Have you ever considered the whole thread may be a conspiracy to keep our minds off what is happening now...........

SPman

28th September 2013, 21:05

Are you telling me Drew's been spying on me?
Sssshhhhhh - he actually moonlights for the GCSB.........

Drew

28th September 2013, 21:15

Sssshhhhhh - he actually moonlights for the GCSB.........I dunno whether to be insulted by that, or not. Would I need to be of average to above intelect to do that job? It's a step up from reality if so.

Kickaha

29th September 2013, 07:46

http://www.reformation.org/nuclear-tsunamis.html
Sixth explosion of hydrogen bomb took place in Indonesia on Dec. 26, 2004

On the day after CHRIST MASS, the Death's Head Jesuit General in the Vatican ordered the Pentagon to temporarily suspend the ecumenical movement and send a Christ MASS present to the Moslems in Indonesia. Traditionally Satan; I mean Santa, is supposed to arrive via AIR....This time he arrived by sea bringing DEATH and Destruction to hundreds of thousands of unbelievers.

The nuke or nukes were planted by the Pentagon Navy in the Sumatran Trench off the coast of Indonesia.

and dont forget Fukushima
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22084-Fukushima-Major-act-of-deliberate-war
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.htm

Big Dave

29th September 2013, 11:43

Brian d marge

30th September 2013, 13:33

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dogging

:corn:

UK Dogging Is A National Hobby! The UK leads the world in dogging. We simply love it as a nation. Thousands and thousands of people come dogging across the country, from London to Cornwall, to Cardiff to Glasgow (but it's chilly up there so make sure to cover up if you're that far North!). British dogging is the best, as we pretty much invented the niche, and more than in other countries, we actually treat each other nicely. When you join a group or couple for outdoor dogging in the UK, you will generally find them very welcoming and friendly. This is because it's viewed as something of a community activity in this country. This makes it far more enjoyable and definitely easier to get into if you're a newbie! You don't need to be nervous, and there is far less risk than in some countries where it's still very much an underground thing.

FYI

Stephen

mashman

30th September 2013, 19:00

UK Dogging Is A National Hobby!

I read that as "UK Dogging Is A National Holiday!"

husaberg

30th September 2013, 20:26

I read that as "UK Dogging Is A National Holiday!"

From our foreign corespondent.....

Bound to be part of Kiwirails new safety adds.
Tits up (http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8730998/woman-dies-having-sex-on-railway-tracks)

ducatilover

30th September 2013, 23:57

I am very thankful my mind has been opened up, I now know the world is hollow.
I alo watched the Zeitgeist and that was no doubt completely true, because many quotations were made and no assumptions.
And that really, really amazing documentary on the three great Pyramids that I stumbled across while looking for typical main stream Nat Geo based shit.

Did you know, if you find a number and fuck with it, then manage to approximately divide it by a value similar to the "golden mean" that it is a significant showing of peoples/aliens intelligence? Nothing whatsoever to do the natural laws of aesthetics? I love these fact filled things. They even get approximate values that look like pi, which is fucking amazing and nothing to do with simple geometry.

I am lost, now I am found.

See Flyingcrocodiddle, I can spout pointless shit and pretend to believe videos I watch with mathematical trickery and insignificant ramblings.

I'm starting a new job in elevator maintenance, see ya soon sweetiepies.

Woodman

1st October 2013, 05:45

Speaking of hidden meanings behind numbers, did you know that if you multiply 9 by 11, you get 99. 99 was Maxwell Smarts girlfriend and she was an American secret Government agent, which proves inconclusively that 9/11 was a conspiracy by American secret government agents.

If you don't believe that then you are all fucked up closed minded sheep.

unstuck

1st October 2013, 06:01

If you don't believe that then you are all fucked up closed minded sheep.

If you fucked sheep up that don't believe, then you are all closed minded.

I saw through your coded message, its a conspiracy I tells ya. :eek:

ducatilover

1st October 2013, 21:38