North western/southern m'way

[Macontour]

In the car with the family today, I was passed by a female riding ABGEL and probably a male on A3BKY(?). After merging from Nth Western onto Southern, female on ABGEL changes lanes from right to centre either without looking or just hoping to get across, forcing the car in that lane to brake very hard to avoid wiping her out.

The wife and I both cringed at how close it was. ABGEL, you were lucky to get away with it that time. Please take care next time.

[Hitcher]

Fairly pointless having a whinge like this if you can't even remember a rego.

[Macontour]

Fairly pointless having a whinge like this if you can't even remember a rego.

Obviously I remembered one of them,and am fairly certain I got the other correct. Was more interested in the close call than trying to read and remember two regos as they cut through the traffic!! And if they read this,they will know who they were.

[Kornholio]

Fairly pointless having a whinge like this if you can't even remember a rego.

Well obviously he got the main one right and who cares about the other one cos that one didn't shoot across the lane and try and get him/herself run over... Not that pointless if you ask me

[nzspokes]

What make/model bikes were they?

[Maha]

I can change lanes without looking and often do, well not turn that whole 'head thing and look' that some do, but I know what is going on around me all the time on the M/Way...it pays to.

[nzspokes]

I can change lanes without looking and often do, well not turn that whole 'head thing and look' that some do, but I know what is going on around me all the time on the M/Way...it pays to.

That may be fine on a Sunday arvo but if you commute in peak hour traffic you will get caught out.

[nerrrd]

I can change lanes without looking and often do, well not turn that whole 'head thing and look' that some do, but I know what is going on around me all the time on the M/Way...it pays to.


That may be fine on a Sunday arvo but if you commute in peak hour traffic you will get caught out.

I find on the M'way at higher speeds it's hard to judge how fast drivers in the other lanes are approaching from behind without having a longish look at them, there's a lot of variation in speed from car to car, so mirrors are better for that, then a last minute head check to make sure I haven't missed anything before moving accross.

At slower speeds head checks have saved my bacon (mmm bacon) more than once, between my specs and mirrors (and possibly not paying enough attention to what's around me) I seem to have a particular blind spot.

[Maha]

That may be fine on a Sunday arvo but if you commute in peak hour traffic you will get caught out.

Aucklanders.....:rolleyes: since ages ago.

Tuesday night northbound 6pm same technique, not an issue. Spatial awareness FTW :niceone:

[paturoa]

Fairly pointless having a whinge like this if you can't even remember a rego.

According to carjam there was harley, and the other bike has already been run over...

ABGEL is not found.
A3BKY - 2000 TRACTOR MASSEY FERGUSON 35. So that was a Hog

[nzspokes]

Aucklanders.....:rolleyes: since ages ago.

Tuesday night northbound 6pm same technique, not an issue. Spatial awareness FTW :niceone:

Use the Force Luke. :facepalm:

[Road kill]

That's the most dangerous merge in the whole AK system.

People enter it watching a long way back for fast vehicles and often miss seeing the one right beside them.

I see it in action most days and have had close calls there myself.

Both coming from the shore and having people trying to drive under me while they watch the guy behind me,,,and not spotting other vehicles myself until the very last second when coming off the north western.

There's a lot going on at speed in that area so it's really best to stay in the right hand lane until your on or over the New Market fly over.

By the time you get up there most other traffic has sorted it's self out after the last bit so it's easier and safer to lane change.

It's also the safest option because you only have traffic on one side of you,but if you merge to center your instantly surrounded.,,,,by confused people,,,,,,4-5 lanes of the fuckers:eek:.

[Maha]

That's the most dangerous merge in the whole AK system.

People enter it watching a long way back for fast vehicles and often miss seeing the one right beside them.

I see it in action most days and have had close calls there myself.

Both coming from the shore and having people trying to drive under me while they watch the guy behind me,,,and not spotting other vehicles myself until the very last second when coming off the north western.

There's a lot going on at speed in that area so it's really best to stay in the right hand lane until your on or over the New Market fly over.

It's the safest option because you only have traffic on one side of you,but you merge to center and your instantly surrounded.,,,,by confused people,,,,,,4-5 lanes of the fuckers:eek:.

Agreed, it's a shocker and I normally choose a lane and stick to it (southbound through there) by looking at what is coming off the N/Western, looking ahead, and deciding on a gap to slot into.

[bosslady]

I find on the M'way at higher speeds it's hard to judge how fast drivers in the other lanes are approaching from behind without having a longish look at them, there's a lot of variation in speed from car to car, so mirrors are better for that, then a last minute head check to make sure I haven't missed anything before moving accross.

At slower speeds head checks have saved my bacon (mmm bacon) more than once, between my specs and mirrors (and possibly not paying enough attention to what's around me) I seem to have a particular blind spot.
Agreed, always head check. Mirror check, indicate, head check then move over. 9/10 I probably don't NEED to have head checked but you only need that one other time to maybe have a mishap... pays not to be complacent eh. I practice the same habits in my car too.

[Maha]

Agreed, always head check. Mirror check, indicate, head check then move over. 9/10 I probably don't NEED to have head checked but you only need that one other time to maybe have a mishap... pays not to be complacent eh. I practice the same habits in my car too.

If you have no idea what is going on around you (on the road) at any one time, then that needs to be addressed. Yes, things can change in an instant but, being alert enough to be comfortable in your ''road space'' in certain conditions can save shit from happening, how you do that I guess is up to the individual.
Those that head check in a car then STILL indicate and move in front of you, really have no idea, I am the better road user for noticing these people before crap happens.

[bosslady]

If you have no idea what is going on around you (on the road) at any one time, then that needs to be addressed. Yes, things can change in an instant but, being alert enough to be comfortable in your ''road space'' in certain conditions can save shit from happening, how you do that I guess is up to the individual.
Those that head check in a car then STILL indicate and move in front of you, really have no idea, I am the better road user for noticing these people before crap happens.
Not sure how you came to the conclusion I have no idea what's going on around me.

[Maha]

Not sure how you came to the conclusion I have no idea what's going on around me.

I concluded that because, you said you head check, why would anyone need to do that if they knew what was going on around them?
At times I would glance if I manage to loose a vehicle in my mirrors, but it's not something that I need to do with every lane change.

Do you head check when you lane split? that's just lane changing on a smaller scale.

[nzspokes]

If you have no idea what is going on around you (on the road) at any one time, then that needs to be addressed. Yes, things can change in an instant but, being alert enough to be comfortable in your ''road space'' in certain conditions can save shit from happening, how you do that I guess is up to the individual.
Those that head check in a car then STILL indicate and move in front of you, really have no idea, I am the better road user for noticing these people before crap happens.

You have magic mirrors that see into all the blind spots?

Good luck with that.

[nerrrd]

Agreed, always head check. Mirror check, indicate, head check then move over. 9/10 I probably don't NEED to have head checked but you only need that one other time to maybe have a mishap... pays not to be complacent eh. I practice the same habits in my car too.

Yup, it's saved my bacon more than once (and I like my bacon) :niceone:, it's a habit too now which is good for me I think.


If you have no idea what is going on around you (on the road) at any one time, then that needs to be addressed. Yes, things can change in an instant but, being alert enough to be comfortable in your ''road space'' in certain conditions can save shit from happening, how you do that I guess is up to the individual.

Maybe not "no idea", but personally I don't trust myself not to miss something. But yeah, I can see that observation / planning / spatial awareness etc is the way to go 'cos then nothings going to happen at the last minute that you're not ready for. It's how those IAM guys roll, isn't it? I try to do those observational commentaries as i'm riding along on a regular basis (like Riderskills showed me once), still find them really hard to do.

As you say it's up to each individual to figure out what works for them.

[bosslady]

I concluded that because, you said you head check, why would anyone need to do that if they knew what was going on around them?
At times I would glance if I manage to loose a vehicle in my mirrors, but it's not something that I need to do with every lane change.

Do you head check when you lane split? that's just lane changing on a smaller scale.
Then you assume (not conclude) wrong. Nothing wrong with building and maintaining good habits. I'll continue to do so, so assume whatever you will :)

[nzspokes]

Yup, it's saved my bacon more than once (and I like my bacon) :niceone:, it's a habit too now which is good for me I think.


Its a very good habit to have and can save your life.

[pzkpfw]

I'm not advocating recklessness, but this is one of those times when a little speed adds safety. It's much easier to aware of what's in front of you than behind, so making sure you're a little "faster" when changing lanes or merging makes you safer. You're not so likely to run up the back of someone in front of you, because you can see them. Whereas being "too slow" when changing lanes or merging means you are encouraging someone behind you to run up the back of you. If you've just passed someone on the motorway, and they were doing 90 and you're doing 100; they're not going to teleport into you when you move into their lane.

Obviously not a full-time rule. Someone ahead of you could unexpectedly slow down. Someone behind you could be going faster than you realise. You might meet an unexpected lane splitter. You might move into the centre lane when someone on the opposite side also decides to do the same thing. So some combination of head checks, mirrors, spatial awareness and memory is still needed.

(This (speed differentials) is a real bug bear for me right now. I commute with the Wife at present, in her little Suzuki. Pretty much every day I'm on a merging lane behind some clown, wanting to merge onto an 80 or 100 k road, doing 10 k slower than that. First, they are encouraging someone on the motorway to run up them, secondly they are causing traffic behind them on the merging lane to bunch up (because we were speeding up to motorway speed, to merge safely) which just makes it extra hard for all of us to merge safely into the main traffic flow. (Merging lanes are stupidly short in Wellington).)

[Maha]

Yup, it's saved my bacon more than once (and I like my bacon) :niceone:, it's a habit too now which is good for me I think.



Maybe not "no idea", but personally I don't trust myself not to miss something. But yeah, I can see that observation / planning / spatial awareness etc is the way to go 'cos then nothings going to happen at the last minute that you're not ready for. It's how those IAM guys roll, isn't it? I try to do those observational commentaries as i'm riding along on a regular basis (like Riderskills showed me once), still find them really hard to do.

As you say it's up to each individual to figure out what works for them.

Agree Rod, habits/methods are picked early on and some continue those through because they work for them. Motorcycling is a very personal thing and 'My Bike My Rules' applies vehemently.
At least you know how to voice an have an argument...;)

[Road kill]

If people stopped the constant tailgating most of the problems would never eventuate.

I'd say 90% of the bikers I see who are not splitting are well within 10 meters of the car in front of them.

The average car following distance, one and a half car lengths.

Truck drivers both tonka toys and big rigs,,,,often the same.

[nzspokes]

Then you assume (not conclude) wrong. Nothing wrong with building and maintaining good habits. I'll continue to do so, so assume whatever you will :)

As Nerrd as eluded to good quality training (Riderskills) train you to look for hazards both in front of you and behind. Head checks are a large part of this. I see much more after my minimal time with Riderskills.

I could do with an update with my riding been a bit interrupted in the last year.

[The Reibz]

You people have failed to identify the biggest hazard on this piece of road...
A cop often sits just off to the left with a radar gun collecting vital revenue. Worlds biggest speed trap, unless you can escape into the traffic you are farrrrkkkked.

[Hitcher]

ABGEL is not found.
A3BKY - 2000 TRACTOR MASSEY FERGUSON 35. So that was a Hog

It's that data that prompted my earlier post.

It's pointless whingeing on KB about this sort of stuff. That's why Moderators move threads like this to R&R.

If a crime has been committed, ring 111. If you have accurate data and want to have a whinge, ring *555.

[Road kill]

It's that data that prompted my earlier post.

It's pointless whingeing on KB about this sort of stuff. That's why Moderators move threads like this to R&R.

If a crime has been committed, ring 111. If you have accurate data and want to have a whinge, ring *555.

Bull shit,your just an all round sour cunt.

Yeah I know,,,bite me.

[nzspokes]

It's that data that prompted my earlier post.

It's pointless whingeing on KB about this sort of stuff. That's why Moderators move threads like this to R&R.

If a crime has been committed, ring 111. If you have accurate data and want to have a whinge, ring *555.

Well it did lead to a reminder about head checks which is a good thing in my book.

[Gremlin]

I concluded that because, you said you head check, why would anyone need to do that if they knew what was going on around them?
No... you're assuming you know what is going on around you. You are assuming, as you do not know, as you have not looked.

You should never go somewhere where your eyes haven't already been.

[nzspokes]

You should never go somewhere where your eyes haven't already been.

:niceone: I like that statement. I shall steal it. Bwhahahaha.

[Maha]

No... you're assuming you know what is going on around you. You are assuming, as you do not know, as you have not looked.

You should never go somewhere where your eyes haven't already been.

You sound like my Mother. Do you know how to cook a Pav?

Does that also apply to blind people? assuming they are walking of cause.

[Berries]

You should never go somewhere where your eyes haven't already been.
That's my summer holiday in Hamilton knackered then.

[Madness]

That's my summer holiday in Hamilton knackered then.

Be thankful, very thankful.

[nzspokes]

That's my summer holiday in Hamilton knackered then.

Holiday and Hamilton dont go together.

[nzspokes]

You sound like my Mother.

Hes probably concerned for the wellbeing of those that dont check before they move.

[Gremlin]

Agree Rod, habits/methods are picked early on and some continue those through because they work for them. Motorcycling is a very personal thing and 'My Bike My Rules' applies vehemently.
At least you know how to voice an have an argument...;)
Equally however, and often very difficult, is to objectively review your riding. Simply stating you do something because it works for you, isn't sufficient. You should constantly strive to be better. As blackbird likes to quote:


Amateurs Practice Until They Get It Right, Professionals Practice Until They Can’t Get It Wrong

You'd be surprised at the wide range of candidates that approach IAM, and believe they are a sure pass for riding to an advanced standard. This includes riders from the UK, with an IAM presence, and former police riders too.

[MadDuck]

Equally however, and often very difficult, is to objectively review your riding. Simply stating you do something because it works for you, isn't sufficient. You should constantly strive to be better.

Or you could remember the reason you got into riding bikes was to have fun. Yep the smile factor.

[nerrrd]

This thread makes me want to get my head checked. And more training.

[Gremlin]

Or you could remember the reason you got into riding bikes was to have fun. Yep the smile factor.
They aren't mutually exclusive.

[MadDuck]

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes that is correct. For some people. A lot of us just like to ride and chill. Ride because we enjoy the road and being out there.

[T.W.R]

No... you're assuming you know what is going on around you. You are assuming, as you do not know, as you have not looked.

You should never go somewhere where your eyes haven't already been.

That's basic Situational Awareness and should be second nature on a bike after a bit of time in the saddle.
Look at where you want be not where you're going :msn-wink:

[Maha]

You'd be surprised at the wide range of candidates that approach IAM, and believe they are a sure pass for riding to an advanced standard. This includes riders from the UK, with an IAM presence, and former police riders too.

There would a large percentage that would not measure up to the IAM standard of how things should be done.
Even down to getting your feet onto the pegs as soon as the bike moves, none of this dragging one foot bizzo :niceone:

When it comes to being aware of your surroundings on the road (particularly around the spaghetti junction area during peak times) lane changing can be done easily and safely. It is my view that those who have to head check are the ones that drive/ride focusing on what's going ahead only (which is fine) and not around them.

[bosslady]

Define "have to". As I mentioned, 9/10 I never have needed to (it's probably more like 9.9999....). Sure, I don't have to, but I do it any way, it's not hard at all and something I think is worth that split second, just seems lazy not to JM2CW. And, I would and do advocate it to other newbies (mirror, indicate, head check and turn if it's clear, all in that order) most important to use it too when riding around in 50kmh-ish areas where cars / bikes / evil scooterists are more likely to cut you off, the motorway is easy because people are going faster, I still head check though.. My instructor was in IAM in the UK and I think these are great habits to have.

[nzspokes]

My instructor was in IAM in the UK and I think these are great habits to have.

That sounds like Phillip. I would say retraining even for people that have been riding for decades would be of use.

[bosslady]

That sounds like Phillip. I would say retraining even for people that have been riding for decades would be of use.

Nope. Chris Smith. It's possible I might be confusing IAM for some other kind of formal qualification he received in the UK though.

[Maha]

Would it be considered accurate that, if you end up in a lane (unscathed) after changing from another, chances are you did something right to get there?

[nzspokes]

Would be considered accurate that, if you end up in a lane (unscathed) after changing from another, chances are you did something right to get there?

Depends on the risk taken to get there.

[nzspokes]

Nope. Chris Smith. It's possible I might be confusing IAM for some other kind of formal qualification he received in the UK though.

I thought Phillip as hes a Iam Instructor. And a very good trainer.

[bosslady]

I thought Phillip as hes a Iam Instructor. And a very good trainer.
Nup, never met the guy, read and have heard some unfavorable comments so think I'll stick with an instructor I'm comfortable with lol

[Maha]

Depends on the risk taken to get there.

Shouldn't really take a risk on the M/Way with those extra vehicles around surely?

[Gremlin]

Would it be considered accurate that, if you end up in a lane (unscathed) after changing from another, chances are you did something right to get there?
Well, you succeeded in getting into the lane, but there is a process prior to that, that is equally important.


Nope. Chris Smith. It's possible I might be confusing IAM for some other kind of formal qualification he received in the UK though.
UK has several, but still quite similar in offering advanced tuition beyond basic licensing tests. IAM and Rospa are two. Either way, if the person works for you, and you're receiving good advice, then that's what matters.


I thought Phillip as hes a Iam Instructor. And a very good trainer.
The term Instructor doesn't exist in IAM. Philip is a NZTA qualified instructor (amongst other things). For IAM, he's Chief Examiner for IAM Motorcycle Division.

[nzspokes]

The term Instructor doesn't exist in IAM. Philip is a NZTA qualified instructor (amongst other things). For IAM, he's Chief Examiner for IAM Motorcycle Division.

I stand corrected.

Or rather sit corrected.

[Maha]

The term Instructor doesn't exist in IAM. Philip is a NZTA qualified instructor (amongst other things). For IAM, he's Chief Examiner for IAM Motorcycle Division.

IAM Observer.

[nzspokes]

Nup, never met the guy, read and have heard some unfavorable comments so think I'll stick with an instructor I'm comfortable with lol

Im very surprised to hear that as hes a great guy and a very good teacher. He is a big step up on other instructors Ive had. Also very calm.

He does a hazard talk when riding that will amaze you at what you havent seen. I need to spend some time with him again soon. Reckon I will every couple of years riding so I dont get complacent and think I know everything.

[nzspokes]

IAM Observer.

I believe Gremlin is now an IAM Observer.

[bosslady]

Im very surprised to hear that as hes a great guy and a very good teacher. He is a big step up on other instructors Ive had. Also very calm.

He does a hazard talk when riding that will amaze you at what you havent seen. I need to spend some time with him again soon. Reckon I will every couple of years riding so I dont get complacent and think I know everything.

I've heard he's very knowledgeable but a little bit grumpy and impatient especially if you don't understand what he's trying to teach you as soon as he would have liked you too BUT I have no personal experiences of my own. I'm not even allowed to be in IAM or even have my riding observed anyway because I haven't been riding long enough and I have to wait until I have my full license unfortunately, nothing to do with him though, just a bug bear.

[nzspokes]

I've heard he's very knowledgeable but a little bit grumpy and impatient especially if you don't understand what he's trying to teach you as soon as he would have liked you too BUT I have no personal experiences of my own. I'm not even allowed to be in IAM or even have my riding observed anyway because I haven't been riding long enough and I have to wait until I have my full license unfortunately, nothing to do with him though, just a bug bear.

I couldnt do a full lock turn start that day I went. Was no stress. We just moved onto other stuff. We can chat about it next time I see you.

[Gremlin]

I believe Gremlin is now an IAM Observer.
IAM Trainee Observer, going through the process of completing modules, then a final test etc.

Phil is indeed excellent, well qualified to teach others, and best, incredibly passionate about helping others improve their riding.

[nerrrd]

It was a while ago when I did my course with Phil, but I remember him being patient with me even though I got a bit confused by the end (I was getting tired, it was all a bit too much to take in at once for me).

The level of focus and intensity that he brings is quite intimidating on one level, but a good wake up call too. YMMV.

[Andy67]

Yes that is correct. For some people. A lot of us just like to ride and chill. Ride because we enjoy the road and being out there.

It's a bit tough to crack a smile when you are a hood ornament.

[Andy67]

There would a large percentage that would not measure up to the IAM standard of how things should be done.
Even down to getting your feet onto the pegs as soon as the bike moves, none of this dragging one foot bizzo :niceone:

When it comes to being aware of your surroundings on the road (particularly around the spaghetti junction area during peak times) lane changing can be done easily and safely. It is my view that those who have to head check are the ones that drive/ride focusing on what's going ahead only (which is fine) and not around them.

I used to think that too

[Maha]

I used to think that too

Until you hit something or until something hit you?
During that whole ACC levy crap in 09' a statistic that emerged was...that almost 70% of all accidents involving a motorcycle, fault was attributed too the motorcycle rider.

[oneofsix]

Until you hit something or until something hit you?
During that whole ACC levy crap in 09' a statistic that emerged was...that almost 70% of all accidents involving a motorcycle, fault was attributed too the motorcycle rider.

yep even if they had to transpose a 4.5l car with a 125 motorcycle to do it :nya:

[Andy67]

Until you hit something or until something hit you?
During that whole ACC levy crap in 09' a statistic that emerged was...that almost 70% of all accidents involving a motorcycle, fault was attributed too the motorcycle rider.

Pretty much mate, auckland motorway used to scare the crap out of me, still does to some extent.

[nzspokes]

I used to think that too

Which is why you need to head check.

[Andy67]

Which is why you need to head check.

Most bikers rear observation in non existent, try this. Get your mate to lead the ride and give you a brief outline of the route. He follows, uses indicators only for direction....

[nzspokes]

Most bikers rear observation in non existent, try this. Get your mate to lead the ride and give you a brief outline of the route. He follows, uses indicators only for direction....

Ive done that before when going out for a ride with a learner rider as they knew where they were going and I didnt. And they tended to indicate at the last second. Im on the motorway a lot and im always checking behind me. I have had the bike knocked out from under me once.

[caseye]

It's a bit tough to crack a smile when you are a hood ornament.

Wow, boy, I say boy, you know who yer picking?
I ride with MD and I'd back her skills against yours any day of the week.
You really have no idea do you??
if you've ridden for a long time and haven't fallen off, dropped your bike in low speed manouvres,been run down or otherwise involved in an accident, chances are you're doing something right.
Whether consciously or otherwise.
Training is a good idea and for your information even those who have ridden for years and never been involved in accidents or close calls do enjoy and learn from that training.
The simple statement that we should not forget the reason we got into riding in the first place, to enjoy our freedom and the road with other like minded folk, has it's place right up there with don't forget the little people.
te he he.

[nzspokes]

Training is a good idea and for your information even those who have ridden for years and never been involved in accidents or close calls do enjoy and learn from that training.


Quote ive heard recently.

Experience is a mean teacher, it hits you with the test before the lesson.

[Andy67]

Wow, boy, I say boy, you know who yer picking?
I ride with MD and I'd back her skills against yours any day of the week.
You really have no idea do you??
if you've ridden for a long time and haven't fallen off, dropped your bike in low speed manouvres,been run down or otherwise involved in an accident, chances are you're doing something right.
Whether consciously or otherwise.
Training is a good idea and for your information even those who have ridden for years and never been involved in accidents or close calls do enjoy and learn from that training.
The simple statement that we should not forget the reason we got into riding in the first place, to enjoy our freedom and the road with other like minded folk, has it's place right up there with don't forget the little people.
te he he.

You don't know me

[Andy67]

Quote ive heard recently.

Experience is a mean teacher, it hits you with the test before the lesson.

Motorbikes are like like playing fetch with a pitbull , true ... There is never enough to learn.

[caseye]

Andy, you are right I don't. But I took the time to go have a jack nuhe at your profile before I came in and posted.Not that it told me much.
I'd counter that you obviously don't know MD and yet you felt comfortable enough passing comment on her post.
It's a two way street here, same as anywhere else, so get amongst it and lets see where it goes.

[Andy67]

Andy, you are right I don't. But I took the time to go have a jack nuhe at your profile before I came in and posted.Not that it told me much.
I'd counter that you obviously don't know MD and yet you felt comfortable enough passing comment on her post.
It's a two way street here, same as anywhere else, so get amongst it and lets see where it goes.

Mate, I get the lifestyle imagery and free spirit stuff, I wouldn't ride if I didn't. Guess I've seen too much of he other. That's all. I don't want to cause offence, always 2 sides bro.

[nzspokes]

Andy, you are right I don't. But I took the time to go have a jack nuhe at your profile before I came in and posted.Not that it told me much.
I'd counter that you obviously don't know MD and yet you felt comfortable enough passing comment on her post.
It's a two way street here, same as anywhere else, so get amongst it and lets see where it goes.

He has a pic of a bike with jet engines. It doesnt get better than that.

[Andy67]

He has a pic of a bike with jet engines. It doesnt get better than that.

And no abs :shit: