VOTE NATS

[BNZ]

for one simple reason....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10342373

[MikeL]

At last, some commonsense. Pity it's come from the "gone by lunchtime" fellas...

Now here's an idea - perhaps we can start a bidding war on speed enforcement. National promises leniency up to 120 km? Come on Helen, can you do a bit better than that? 160? That's great... Now, Don, back to you...

[Motu]

I don't take bribes...and certainly not from politicians!

[Lou Girardin]

I bloody do.
Less tax and a higher speed tolerance. I'm wavering, it's only my loathing for the Nats and everything they stand for that's holding me back.

[vifferman]

I bloody do.
Less tax and a higher speed tolerance. I'm wavering, it's only my loathing for the Nats and everything they stand for that's holding me back.
You forgot to mention Don Brash, NZ's version of Mr Garrison from SouthPark.
He really puts me off; he's made his millions being the Gubner of the Reserve Bank, now he wants to be ruler of UnZid. Most unappealatising....

[placidfemme]

Saw this in the herald while eating my lunch...

For once National is on about something worthwhile...


Give 'safe' speedsters a break, National urges police



Tony Ryall


25.08.05


By Ruth Berry


Police should be more flexible when issuing speeding tickets, says the National party.

It would instruct police not to take a rigid approach towards fining drivers.

National leader Don Brash has repeatedly criticised the number of speeding tickets issued ahead of a law-and-order policy statement on the issue set to be made later in the campaign.

Law-and-order spokesman Tony Ryall confirmed that National planned an annual road safety policing agreement between the Government and the police commissioner.

Police have operated a 10km/h tolerance policy since 2000, meaning any driver caught travelling more than 10km/h over the speed limit will almost inevitably receive a ticket.

"People driving at 111km/h may be no more risky that at 110km/h and we don't think that the quota ticketing - that you must issue a ticket to that person - should carry on," said Mr Ryall.

"This is not a licence to speed. What we are saying is we need to adopt a more realistic attitude to speed."

Acting national road policing manager John Kelly said yesterday that police had no "quota" systems. But some regions had performance agreements specifying how many tickets officers were expected to collect each hour.

[spudchucka]

I bloody do.
Less tax and a higher speed tolerance. I'm wavering, it's only my loathing for the Nats and everything they stand for that's holding me back.
You're always telling us about the faults of others and letting us know who you loath. Is their any person or any organisation that you have something positive to say about, (excluding yourself).

[Lou Girardin]

You're always telling us about the faults of others and letting us know who you loath. Is their any person or any organisation that you have something positive to say about, (excluding yourself).

Yeah, you Spud. Whatever else you may be, you're consistent. :yes:

[Sniper]

I like the idea, but understand its going to be abused

[ManDownUnder]

I'm just glad this whole election can be decided on one policy alone!

Here was me considering, health, welfare, education, law and order, taxation etc

What a dumb bugger...

[Lou Girardin]

I'm just glad this whole election can be decided on one policy alone!

Here was me considering, health, welfare, education, law and order, taxation etc

What a dumb bugger...

Nothings changed. Nordmeyers "black budget" in the 50's lost Labour that election.
He dared to raise taxes on smokes, alcohol and fuel.
Muldoon won the '75 election with his promise to dissolve Labours self-funding super scheme and pay a rebate to all wage earners.
Kiwis have nearly always voted with their wallets.

[stify]

na sorry I can't vote for don :no: he can't argue with a women...or helen :rofl: :rofl:

[The Stranger]

I'm just glad this whole election can be decided on one policy alone!

Here was me considering, health, welfare, education, law and order, taxation etc

What a dumb bugger...
Dead right.
No matter what party we put in there they will scew that other stuff up so might as well vote for the speed increase.

[ManDownUnder]

Nothings changed. Nordmeyers "black budget" in the 50's lost Labour that election.
He dared to raise taxes on smokes, alcohol and fuel.
Muldoon won the '75 election with his promise to dissolve Labours self-funding super scheme and pay a rebate to all wage earners.
Kiwis have nearly always voted with their wallets.

So I can deduce 2 points here

1) I think, and don't just vote with my wallet
2) I'm not normal...

I don't think I like that too much

*toddles off to visit buggy*

"OI - you reckon I'm normal?"...

[SimJen]

na sorry I can't vote for don :no: he can't argue with a women...or helen :rofl: :rofl:

He has constantly said he is a gentleman and will not shout down a woman. Don't know how that makes a difference ;) Helens got bigger nuts than he has

[Biff]

Grade A BS.

[stify]

He has constantly said he is a gentleman and will not shout down a woman. Don't know how that makes a difference ;) Helens got bigger nuts than he has

fark helen's got bigger nuts than most, thikn il'l ave an otha :drinkup:

[Lou Girardin]

So I can deduce 2 points here

1) I think, and don't just vote with my wallet
2) I'm not normal...

I don't think I like that too much

*toddles off to visit buggy*

"OI - you reckon I'm normal?"...

Normality is over-rated.

[idb]

Acting national road policing manager John Kelly said yesterday that police had no "quota" systems. But some regions had performance agreements specifying how many tickets officers were expected to collect each hour.
The subtle difference escapes me I'm afraid.

[Phurrball]

Shame about all their other policies...:whistle:

None of what Ryall had to say was couched in language that convinces me they'd go through with this.

Besides, the Nats have to get revenue from somewhere if they 'cut taxes and not services' :msn-wink:

[Coyote]

Yeah sure, so long as you also want them to sell off hospitals and schools to the private sector :finger:

[stify]

fark helen's got bigger nuts than most, thikn il'l ave an otha :drinkup:

well i,ve ad a coupla more :drinkup: :drinkup: and reviewed the party political broadcasts of the natinals party......well as i member dem from when they were palyed when da rocky horror picture show was viewing at da hollywood in avondale in ak and .........yep helen has bigger ones than rob too

[spudchucka]

Yeah, you Spud. Whatever else you may be, you're consistent. :yes:
Shucks, I've come over all warm and fuzzy.

[spudchucka]

Kiwis have nearly always voted with their wallets.
And we forget that they will surely shaft us from behind while we are blindly rejoicing the new found cash that their generosity has bestowed upon us.

I'm all for tax cuts and more cash in my pocket but I do worry about who will pay for it in the long term.

[Ixion]

Normality is over-rated.

I agree. I went there once a few years ago, for a day or two. 'Twas OK I suppose in a lack-lustre sort of way, but not anything that I could recommend. and it's definately no place for kids.I was glad to get out again. And you can't drink the water (except on Tuesday afternoons)

[nsrpaul]

brash=bulshit
nuff said

[Beemer]

Maybe National would do better if they had a stronger leader. I have no problem with Brash being polite to women but he is as weak as dishwater as a speaker - a bit like Bill Rowling and Bill English.

As for the policies, unfortunately no one party has something that will please the majority. I'm sick of Labour kow-towing to the ethnic minority and bribing families to vote for them, but I'm not 100% sold on National either, although I prefer our local candidate to Labour's.

Hell, I may even just close my eyes and tick one on the day, see where it gets me!

[Lou Girardin]

Shucks, I've come over all warm and fuzzy.

Didn't read the post then?

[ManDownUnder]

Shucks, I've come over all warm and fuzzy.

Gotta watch that - I sometimes get that feeling just after a fart where you push just a bit too hard...

not too bad if you're at home, but I tell ya - you don't want to do it after a night at the pub or you still have a long ride home...

[Biff]

Shucks, I've come over all warm and fuzzy.

Each to their own - But what did Warm and Fuzzy think about that? Was it a kind of cop threesome?

[kerryg]

Each to their own - But what did Warm and Fuzzy think about that? Was it a kind of cop threesome?


now that's wit... :rofl: :rofl:

[spudchucka]

Each to their own - But what did Warm and Fuzzy think about that? Was it a kind of cop threesome?
You fellows have very sick minds.

[ManDownUnder]

You fellows have very sick minds.

at least we're not biased - ANYONE opening the door to those comebacks would have copped them

*ba doom tssshh!*

[Lou Girardin]

My only excuse is that it's late on a Friday, but I missed Spud calling himself fuzzy.

[ManDownUnder]

My only excuse is that it's late on a Friday, but I missed Spud calling himself fuzzy.

'coz if it was me - that reference would be more like "hairy arse" or something more Ron Jeremyish...

[spudchucka]

at least we're not biased - ANYONE opening the door to those comebacks would have copped them

*ba doom tssshh!*
Its a fair cop Guv.

[Biff]

You fellows have very sick minds.

Your fault - you just lined it up for me. Sorry, couldn't resist it. :spudbooge

[Skyryder]

I prefer Helen on the bike. At least that's real.

If any one thinks that Brash and co are going to issue instructions to the police to exercise more 'discretion' on speeding they are out of their cotton picking minds. This is nothing more than a political gimmick desighned to influence those voters who do not have the capacity, or dare I say it, the interest to vote intelligently.


Skyryder

[idb]

I prefer Helen on the bike. At least that's real.

If any one thinks that Brash and co are going to issue instructions to the police to exercise more 'discretion' on speeding they are out of their cotton picking minds. This is nothing more than a political gimmick desighned to influence those voters who do not have the capacity, or dare I say it, the interest to vote intelligently.


Skyryder
I suppose you're right.
But hang on, Winston appeared on a real bike as well....oh God, which one to vote for..........?

[Dadpole]

Problem solved. Vote for me as Evil Overlord. I promise to abolish all speed limits for bikes, and will position army snipers along roads to "punish" any cage drivers who endanger bikers. You can trust me as much as you can trust the pre-election promises of a politician.

[idb]

Problem solved. Vote for me as Evil Overlord. I promise to abolish all speed limits for bikes, and will position army snipers along roads to "punish" any cage drivers who endanger bikers. You can trust me as much as you can trust the pre-election promises of a politician.
Done!678910

[Pixie]

You forgot to mention Don Brash, NZ's version of Mr Garrison from SouthPark.
He really puts me off; he's made his millions being the Gubner of the Reserve Bank, now he wants to be ruler of UnZid. Most unappealatising....
You prefer feminazis then?

[Pixie]

Shame about all their other policies...:whistle:

None of what Ryall had to say was couched in language that convinces me they'd go through with this.

Besides, the Nats have to get revenue from somewhere if they 'cut taxes and not services' :msn-wink:
Perhaps they will decide not to run a multi-billion dollar Tax theft,sorry"surplus"

[Pixie]

......yep helen has bigger ones than rob too
Stands to reason,you don't develop a supra-orbital ridge like that one,or for that matter,such a deep manly voice,without a surfeit of testosterone

[Pixie]

Gotta watch that - I sometimes get that feeling just after a fart where you push just a bit too hard...

not too bad if you're at home, but I tell ya - you don't want to do it after a night at the pub or you still have a long ride home...
Do you suffer from fur balls? :rofl:

[oldrider]

I got asked (phone) the other night in a poll, which political parties policies do I prefer? I checked her and asked are you asking me who I am going to vote for? she said no, which policies do I prefer? I told her "Libertarian" ( they had just been on the TV in an add, to my surprise). She had no idea what I was talking about. Turns out it was only about the parties on the left or National. Don't know what she put down, hope it wasn't the left.
What value is there to be taken from these stupid bloody polls anyway? :puke:
Cheers John.

[Skyryder]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

[Drunken Monkey]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

Is that ammagical changing link? If you read it properly, I don't think that's what they're about at all - what makes you interpret their policies in such a way?

[Jackrat]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

Thanks for that link.
I'll be sending my membership application on Monday.

[oldrider]

Thanks for that link Skyrider, yes their policies do offer more for the individual and freedom than any others I have seen. I do look. I am going to look again too. Who says that TV advertising doesn't work? I wonder who was running the telephone Poll? Wouldn't have been Labour and the left being sneaky would it? :rofl: Cheers John.

[Skyryder]

Is that ammagical changing link? If you read it properly, I don't think that's what they're about at all - what makes you interpret their policies in such a way?

From their link

Libertarianz leader Bernard Darnton today confirmed that he would not be joining the court action which Jim Anderton and Peter Dunne are taking against TV3. "These two politicians are demanding that the court dictate to private companies what they can and can't put to air," says Darnton. "Such an action is unconscionable."

That just concerns the air waves. Read in between the lines.

Here's another
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ENVIRONMENT
Private property rights provide the strongest possible protection for the environment. (Just look at the state of our rivers and lakes) Common law protects neighbour from neighbour and offers nearly 800 years of sophistication in protecting property and the environment. Libertarianz will repeal the fascistic Resource Management Act, and uncover the common law that decades of planning legislation have buried.

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My brackets


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PRIVATISATION
State assets will be given back to those whose money paid for them - taxpayers! After retiring the government's debt, all assets will be distributed as shares to be sold or retained as you choose. So-called 'stakeholders' can become real shareholders. Existing superannuitants - whose savings have been stolen by taxes and government-induced inflation - would be provided for from these assets.

SOCIAL WELFARE
Libertarianz will leave you free to practise voluntary charity. All state benefits would be abolished - unemployment, sickness, and DPB - to permit the growth of voluntary charities and private insurance. As a transitional measure, a Libertarianz government will sell government assets to purchase annuities for the severely disabled and for superannuitants, for whom the punitive tax regimes of previous governments have made savings impossible.
(my highlights)
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Yep these guys have done their homework. On one hand they say that all government assets will be given back to the tax payer. That's in their privatisation policy and yet their social welfare policy states that 'all government assets, as a transitional measure will be sold. So what happens when the money runs out? Yep real smart fuckers.

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Skyrder

[Drunken Monkey]

Says nothing there about "no legal rights" - it encourages people to solve issues through use and application of common law.

Also says nothing about "no say", in fact they are encouraging you to take 100% control of your own life.


Don't get me wrong - while there are some interesting ideas, I think their goals are highly idealistic, expecting all people to be relatively smart, resourceful, have common sense and act in a mature manner - it's just at least 2 of your three comments appear to me to be diametrically opposed to what they stand for.

What is your point about this comment?
(Libertarianz leader Bernard Darnton today confirmed that he would not be joining the court action which Jim Anderton and Peter Dunne are taking against TV3. "These two politicians are demanding that the court dictate to private companies what they can and can't put to air," says Darnton. "Such an action is unconscionable.")

I for one, agree entirely. It is an abosulte fucking travesty of justice - only a completely obtuse judge could have made such a decision. Everything that freedom of private enterprise stands for has been made a mockery of. There should never be any political meddling in the affairs of a privately run business.
If you don't beleive the Anderton & Dunne vs TV3 case should have been laughed right of the courts, then perhaps you would feel more at home in North Korea or Cuba?

[Dadpole]

Libertarianz Immigration Policy

Libertarianz will have no truck with the racist xenophobia against refugees and immigrants touted by other political parties. We will accept any refugee whom anybody wishes to sponsor and run a completely open immigration policy subject only to a requirement that immigrants waive any claim to remaining elements of the welfare state.

Can I sponsor my cousin Osama?

[Wolf]

I wonder who was running the telephone Poll? Wouldn't have been Labour and the left being sneaky would it? :rofl: Cheers John.
Years ago, under a Labour gummint, I got a call close to election time asking what I thought of the current regime. I waxed lyrical about how they were a pack of arses and the caller then said "So you would say that a National Government would be an improvement?"

Aha! Caught 'em out. This was no unbiased poll, this was the Nats trawling.

"No way," spake I, "they're a pack of lying bastards too." Informed her I wouldn't let any of the politicians from any party look after my animals while I was away on holiday, let alone trust them to look after the country.

My views have not changed much since then.

I agree with some of what the Libertarianz say, but not all - I guess I'll just have to go back to forming a troika with Vifferman and Ixion and we'll take over.

[Lou Girardin]

. There should never be any political meddling in the affairs of a privately run business.
If you don't beleive the Anderton & Dunne vs TV3 case should have been laughed right of the courts, then perhaps you would feel more at home in North Korea or Cuba?

One could argue that omitting the leaders of two parties currently in Parliament is a private business attempting to influence the make-up of the next Government.

[ManDownUnder]

One could argue that omitting the leaders of two parties currently in Parliament is a private business attempting to influence the make-up of the next Government.

one could present an identical line of argument in respect of "donations" and other assistance provided to said parties as well...

[Drunken Monkey]

One could argue that omitting the leaders of two parties currently in Parliament is a private business attempting to influence the make-up of the next Government.

That is 'normal' democratic behaviour anyway - that's what lobby groups are for! There is no requirement for a private individual or business to stay politically neutral.

[bane]

Liberterian(z)

Get these guys running the country...


think you missed the point completely :rofl:

[Pixie]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder
You obviously have no idea of what Libertarianism is. :yawn:

[Pixie]

Thanks for that link Skyrider, yes their policies do offer more for the individual and freedom than any others I have seen. I do look. I am going to look again too. Who says that TV advertising doesn't work? I wonder who was running the telephone Poll? Wouldn't have been Labour and the left being sneaky would it? :rofl: Cheers John.
Labour are running 2 to 3 polls per week at the moment

[Wolf]

Labour are running 2 to 3 polls per week at the moment
All of them equally pointless - WTF do they know about conducting a proper poll that would have meaningful results? Any poll conceived with a prior bias has within it the seeds of its own destruction - the results returned will be biased and therefore not remotely accurate.

[Lou Girardin]

That is 'normal' democratic behaviour anyway - that's what lobby groups are for! There is no requirement for a private individual or business to stay politically neutral.

No, it is not. This is neither a lobby group nor is it political donations. This is a company publicly broadcasting just prior to an election. Not forgetting for a moment that it was the leaders debate 3 years ago that boosted United Futures vote enough to increase their seats in Parliament.

[ManDownUnder]

No, it is not. This is neither a lobby group nor is it political donations. This is a company publicly broadcasting just prior to an election. Not forgetting for a moment that it was the leaders debate 3 years ago that boosted United Futures vote enough to increase their seats in Parliament.

Just to go waaaaaaaay out on a limb here...

IF no-one wanted to place advertising in that timeslot due to the present of Political party ABC (which they would be entitled to do)

Should the TV station be forced to run that program at a loss, or would they be entitled to protect their revenue and act in a manner dictated by the advertising public at large?

[Phurrball]

My only comment on the subject of this thread:

Has anyone else noticed the Nats 'future eating' at the moment? All this talk of 'abolishing' the Waitangi Tribunal, Te Mangai Paho, Te Puni Kokiri etc and rolling back the 'grievance industry' at a time when the Maori population is increasing as a proportion of the general population and will continue to do so as a matter of population dynamics... Seems rather like the way the early Maori population engaged in 'future eating' by hunting Moa to extinction...Anyone else spot the irony there?

Think on that, and the impact on National's support base over the next 50 years or so :devil2:

I'm done. No more will be said by me [even though there is much to say].

Disclaimer: I may have made some minor generalisations, or glossed over some finer details here. I am not interested in the minutiae, rather the broader picture - where I think my comment is valid.

[Lou Girardin]

Just to go waaaaaaaay out on a limb here...

IF no-one wanted to place advertising in that timeslot due to the present of Political party ABC (which they would be entitled to do)

Should the TV station be forced to run that program at a loss, or would they be entitled to protect their revenue and act in a manner dictated by the advertising public at large?

Going further out on a limb. Is broadcasting an essential public service or not?
Judging by the fact that broadcasters are always the first target in a coup de tat, I'd say yes.

[ManDownUnder]

Going further out on a limb. Is broadcasting an essential public service or not?
Judging by the fact that broadcasters are always the first target in a coup de tat, I'd say yes.

Good question - highly influential yes - but "essential"... I think I'd draw the line at that one (i.e. if we lost them all... who would die?)

[Lou Girardin]

Good question - highly influential yes - but "essential"... I think I'd draw the line at that one (i.e. if we lost them all... who would die?)

Broadcasting Winnie's speeches helped the Poms in '39 to '45.
Broadcasting helped Hitler too, until he lost.