Russell Brand vs. Jeremy Paxman

[mashman]

FUCK YEAH!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk&feature=youtu.be

[scott411]

Russell Brand is an awesome interview, and extremely intelligent, he takes down guys like this easily,

again tho, he says the system is broken, but does not really suggest an alternative, and if he really got a good plan, he has the money, star power and intelligence to pull it off, and get some decent numbers of support,

[bluninja]

What a tosser.....any idiot can say what's obvious and what they are against. Creating and delivering a new vision is the challenge. Of course Russell could ease some of the disparity by doing his shows for free, for donating all his income above a certain level to impoverished people.

Why tax the rich heavily? Why not change it so that people spread their wealth as the best way to live?

[Hitcher]

Too many big words. Way too many.

[MisterD]

He's either a really clever satire or dumb as a sack of hammers...my money's on the second option.

[Smifffy]

He's either a really clever satire or dumb as a sack of hammers...my money's on the second option.

I reckon he's a really clever sack of hammers.

[tigertim20]

I reckon he's a really clever sack of hammers.

it's easy to look clever when you are finding the most complicated way of explaining a basic idea or principle.

Did't albert einstein say something like, 'If you cant\'t explain it in simple terms, you dont understand it properly yourself' -or something to that effect?

need more proof he's a dumb cunt?
He could still be fucking this tasty piece, but he let is pass him by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8
yes its a shit song, but she's fuckin hot

[mashman]

Russell Brand is an awesome interview, and extremely intelligent, he takes down guys like this easily,

again tho, he says the system is broken, but does not really suggest an alternative, and if he really got a good plan, he has the money, star power and intelligence to pull it off, and get some decent numbers of support,

He's welcome at my place whenever he has time :D


Too many big words. Way too many.

Prolly the only reason they have him on.

[Woodman]

He has a lot of good points. Don't disagree with him at all

[Laava]

He does have a lot of good ideas, not all of them practical and I thought Jeremy Paxman did a good job of the interview. Russell Brand is a very hard person to interview because he is very intelligent and also arrogant so does not put up with anything he doesn,t like. He obviously has respect for Paxman
So if there was a candidate that stood for everything he agrees with, would he vote for them? Or not, on principle?

[Tazz]

Pretty sure I've got a DVD with Bill Hicks saying similar stuff, only 20 years ago :facepalm:

[BoristheBiter]

He's welcome at my place whenever he has time :D



Prolly the only reason they have him on.

Yep bet you would have lots to say as neither would listen.

But like you he doesn't vote so has no chance to change the system he says is broke.

all big talk, and it is all regurgitated cliches from the left, that's all it is as like most, if not all, celebrities he is full of his own self importance and little else.

If he felt so strongly about it he would do all his work for free and give his money away to help the cause but he loves the evil money and all the perks it brings.

[mashman]

If he felt so strongly about it he would do all his work for free and give his money away to help the cause but he loves the evil money and all the perks it brings.

No he wouldn't. It's gonna take money to change the world, even if you eventually wanna get rid of the stuff.

[BoristheBiter]

No he wouldn't. It's gonna take money to change the world, even if you eventually wanna get rid of the stuff.

Oh so it's "money is the route of all evil and anyone that makes a profit is the devil unless it's me and then it's all right" theory then.

[mashman]

Oh so it's "money is the route of all evil and anyone that makes a profit is the devil unless it's me and then it's all right" theory then.

Nope........

[BoristheBiter]

Nope........

I think you're wrong.
He made what? 100 mil from get him to the greek? sounds like another rich wanker celebrity telling us how we should behave after making a shit load of cash for nothing.

He should be politics as that interview is classic "interview 101" spout some cliche lines that no one will disagree with then attack the interviewer for not agreeing with them.

He's a hypocrite like most other celebrity's. only opening their mouth to get into the media to promote something else they are trying to make money on.

[mashman]

I think you're wrong.
He made what? 100 mil from get him to the greek? sounds like another rich wanker celebrity telling us how we should behave after making a shit load of cash for nothing.

He should be politics as that interview is classic "interview 101" spout some cliche lines that no one will disagree with then attack the interviewer for not agreeing with them.

He's a hypocrite like most other celebrity's. only opening their mouth to get into the media to promote something else they are trying to make money on.

Which vid where you watching?

[BoristheBiter]

Which vid where you watching?

The one you posted.
What didn't you watch it or were you so busy jerking off to it you didn't actually pay it any attention?

[mashman]

The one you posted.
What didn't you watch it or were you so busy jerking off to it you didn't actually pay it any attention?

Of course I watched it. He's talking about it and just because he isn't living it, it doesn't make him a hypocrite. the world turns, until it doesn't, then we'll find out who the hypocrites are. So pop yer penis back on yer head and stop using it as a brain substitute for your keyboard ravings.

[BoristheBiter]

Of course I watched it. He's talking about it and just because he isn't living it, it doesn't make him a hypocrite. the world turns, until it doesn't, then we'll find out who the hypocrites are. So pop yer penis back on yer head and stop using it as a brain substitute for your keyboard ravings.

WTF do you think the word hypocrite means?

I never thought you could out retard yourself but today you have shown a new level of stupid

[Ulsterkiwi]

I watched or rather endured this interview. Its hard not to think he was brought in to edit the New Statesman as a publicity move, fair enough.
He is not the only "comedian" to say he uses his comedy to comment on society. I found the interview tedious and disappointing because this should have been his opportunity to expound the detail of his ideas, put some meat on the bones. Instead he rattles off a series of unoriginal sound-bytes.
In my line of work I might engage in a project which takes a year to execute. I then try and get time and space at a conference to tell others what I and my colleagues have been doing, what we have found out or learned and where to go from here. If I am lucky I will get 12 minutes, 12 minutes to explain the 6 months to a year that went into planning a project and the years work to follow it through! This bugger got a free run on national TV to make a difference, to add something to the mix and he utterly failed to do so.
He sounds articulate and he thinks fast, no doubt about it. However there is no training or discipline in that thinking so it just comes out as a jumble of incoherent jibes and jabs at all the things he doesnt like and the baggage he has accumulated along his life's journey.
Paxman gave him any number of opportunities to explain what he wanted to see and to describe in some detail at least how it might happen. He was more concerned with trying to make Paxman look like the enemy. Childish.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This bugger got a free run on national TV to make a difference, to add something to the mix and he utterly failed to do so.
He sounds articulate and he thinks fast, no doubt about it. However there is no training or discipline in that thinking so it just comes out as a jumble of incoherent jibes and jabs at all the things he doesnt like and the baggage he has accumulated along his life's journey.
Paxman gave him any number of opportunities to explain what he wanted to see and to describe in some detail at least how it might happen. He was more concerned with trying to make Paxman look like the enemy. Childish.

Well said and couldn't agree more.

[mashman]

WTF do you think the word hypocrite means?

I never thought you could out retard yourself but today you have shown a new level of stupid

So you give something the context that you decide and therefore he's a hypocrite. I can play that game too. Bill Gates and them thar folk who give to charity must be hypocrites too... after all they live in big houses and want to end poverty and save lives etc... why aren't they living on the streets and devoting every single moment of their lives to getting the job done?

Whatevs bro.

[mashman]

I watched or rather endured this interview. Its hard not to think he was brought in to edit the New Statesman as a publicity move, fair enough.
He is not the only "comedian" to say he uses his comedy to comment on society. I found the interview tedious and disappointing because this should have been his opportunity to expound the detail of his ideas, put some meat on the bones. Instead he rattles off a series of unoriginal sound-bytes.
In my line of work I might engage in a project which takes a year to execute. I then try and get time and space at a conference to tell others what I and my colleagues have been doing, what we have found out or learned and where to go from here. If I am lucky I will get 12 minutes, 12 minutes to explain the 6 months to a year that went into planning a project and the years work to follow it through! This bugger got a free run on national TV to make a difference, to add something to the mix and he utterly failed to do so.
He sounds articulate and he thinks fast, no doubt about it. However there is no training or discipline in that thinking so it just comes out as a jumble of incoherent jibes and jabs at all the things he doesnt like and the baggage he has accumulated along his life's journey.
Paxman gave him any number of opportunities to explain what he wanted to see and to describe in some detail at least how it might happen. He was more concerned with trying to make Paxman look like the enemy. Childish.

So you listened to what he said with an open mind then? Other than him saying that he hasn't invented a system that will solve the issues he's talking about yet... and that was in the very first minute. Awesome critique man. :facepalm:

[BoristheBiter]

So you give something the context that you decide and therefore he's a hypocrite. I can play that game too. Bill Gates and them thar folk who give to charity must be hypocrites too... after all they live in big houses and want to end poverty and save lives etc... why aren't they living on the streets and devoting every single moment of their lives to getting the job done?

Whatevs bro.

Yep that's dead right. all these fuckers cry about poverty and give away a million here and there and all is good with the world while makeing billions, they're fucking hypocrites the lot of them.
Bill Gates (seeing you used him) makes more money pa than it costs to run the US health service

The only two to put up is sir Bob and Will I Am.

all the rest, including your wet dream russell bland, can go fuck off.

[mashman]

Yep that's dead right. all these fuckers cry about poverty and give away a million here and there and all is good with the world while makeing billions, they're fucking hypocrites the lot of them.
Bill Gates (seeing you used him) makes more money pa than it costs to run the US health service

The only two to put up is sir Bob and Will I Am.

all the rest, including your wet dream russell bland, can go fuck off.

And yet poverty still exists and the US health service is still, well, fucked. If all it takes is money, then why isn't it working? Perhaps they should get their arses onto the front line for the rest of their lives or run for office with their great ideas. But no, they carry on perpetuating the very same system that causes the injustices in the world today. They're hypocrites with the means to do something about it, Brand included, yet he's the only one I've seen, so far, that's using his TV time to spread the word.

Meh, have either of them done the job yet? I feel for Bob, fucked if I know who William is. Is he the new Chelsea signing?

Funny, some of us think the same about you lot.

[Ulsterkiwi]

So you listened to what he said with an open mind then? Other than him saying that he hasn't invented a system that will solve the issues he's talking about yet... and that was in the very first minute. Awesome critique man. :facepalm:

yes actually, I did. I critiqued his response to this interview opportunity. The interview was clearly set in place to find out what exactly he was envisaging happening and he clearly hasn't thought it through. The man is as entitled to his opinions as the next but I do believe he was given a golden opportunity to make solid proposals (even one would have been good) about how to realise his ideas and he blew it. He heavily criticised the political classes for not doing anything, fair enough, but he then did exactly what politicians do which is talk up his ideas but never actually get around to substantiating how those ideas might work. Look I am not saying he has to have every detail worked out but lets just say for one minute that the people of the UK were to say "ok Russell mate, lets do it your way, all executive power sits with you now, we will do things the way you suggest, so....what now?" what would he do? He is like every other amateur who looks on and says of a professional " I can do that, easy!" Its all well and good until it comes to actually delivering.

And what is a critique anyway? Do you know? I didnt make any comment about whether I agreed with him or not, or whether I find his jokes funny. The test I applied was whether or not he had answered the question asked, a question he had formulated himself. He was being interviewed about his vision of how to make the world a better place because he proposes the current system of democracy isnt working. Great! Not even Paxman was disagreeing with him. I genuinely wanted to hear what his ideas were but he failed to deliver. So, did he answer his own question? No, he described it and extended the definition, he has not added to the knowledge or understanding around the problem. Thats a fail.

[BoristheBiter]

And yet poverty still exists and the US health service is still, well, fucked. If all it takes is money, then why isn't it working? Perhaps they should get their arses onto the front line for the rest of their lives or run for office with their great ideas. But no, they carry on perpetuating the very same system that causes the injustices in the world today. They're hypocrites with the means to do something about it, Brand included, yet he's the only one I've seen, so far, that's using his TV time to spread the word.

Meh, have either of them done the job yet? I feel for Bob, fucked if I know who William is. Is he the new Chelsea signing?

Funny, some of us think the same about you lot.


Hang on, did you just agree with me? did you just just post that brand was a hypocrite?

you need to watch more than left leaning you tube clips to gain your knowledge.


If we fucked off who would you argue with?

[Banditbandit]

Oh so it's "money is the route of all evil and anyone that makes a profit is the devil unless it's me and then it's all right" theory then.

And that's not even the quote ... Interesting spelling tho'

[Tazz]

Bugger this money noise. Maybe we should just go back to bartering with chickens and blankets.

[Big Dave]

Give me ambiguity - or give me something else!

Quick mind, lateral 'finker', surprisingly articulate and engaging talker - agreeable because he is stating the obvious - but marching nowhere in particular with his end of days placard.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bugger this money noise. Maybe we should just go back to bartering with chickens and blankets.

Didn't work for the Maoris. They want money now instead!

[Tazz]

Didn't work for the Maoris. They want money now instead!

haha, yeah well there is a lot to be said on both sides of that argument in all fairness, but without going down that slippery slope I was reading about this when I was still living in Chch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking

Apparently Lyttleton was making good use of the system at the time. Has its flaws and is more of a 'as well as', but it's awesome in a lot of respects.

[Bikemad]

yeah i don't really think brand told us anything we didn't already know........been going on for hundreds of years.............you know the old rich get richer blah blah blah............will be going on for hundreds of years after we are all gone too............he never once came up with what he wants to see...........only what he doesn't want to see under his new regime so to speak.......heard it before somewhere...........he's not related to Winston Peters is he?

[Crasherfromwayback]

haha, yeah well there is a lot to be said on both sides of that argument in all fairness, but without going down that slippery slope I was reading about this when I was still living in Chch:

.

Yeah I know mate...was merely keeping myself amused!

[Voltaire]

Will I am is out of the Black Eyed Peas. he comes from a poor background, uses his money to help others.
http://will.i.am/category/philanthropy/
I can't recall if he was better than Russell Brand in the Economically Priced car test :niceone:

[mashman]

yes actually, I did. I critiqued his response to this interview opportunity. The interview was clearly set in place to find out what exactly he was envisaging happening and he clearly hasn't thought it through. The man is as entitled to his opinions as the next but I do believe he was given a golden opportunity to make solid proposals (even one would have been good) about how to realise his ideas and he blew it. He heavily criticised the political classes for not doing anything, fair enough, but he then did exactly what politicians do which is talk up his ideas but never actually get around to substantiating how those ideas might work. Look I am not saying he has to have every detail worked out but lets just say for one minute that the people of the UK were to say "ok Russell mate, lets do it your way, all executive power sits with you now, we will do things the way you suggest, so....what now?" what would he do? He is like every other amateur who looks on and says of a professional " I can do that, easy!" Its all well and good until it comes to actually delivering.

And what is a critique anyway? Do you know? I didnt make any comment about whether I agreed with him or not, or whether I find his jokes funny. The test I applied was whether or not he had answered the question asked, a question he had formulated himself. He was being interviewed about his vision of how to make the world a better place because he proposes the current system of democracy isnt working. Great! Not even Paxman was disagreeing with him. I genuinely wanted to hear what his ideas were but he failed to deliver. So, did he answer his own question? No, he described it and extended the definition, he has not added to the knowledge or understanding around the problem. Thats a fail.

Holy shit an intelligent reponse. I agree that some of the questions were related to his vision, but as he said at the start and then reiterated par way through, he had 10 minutes to explain an entirely revamped economy, let alone a single project, whilst also fielding the usual stupid questions, one of which was the singularly most ridiculous question of "why should we listen if you don't vote". What I hope you'll bare in mind is that this guy is very busy and doesn't have access to the thousands of marketing, advertising, PR, spin doctoring agencies that the govt does. Given that, I'd say he did rather well. He's sewn the seeds for a return interview and I hope that next time he'll have a bit more to say on the subject and perhaps the questions will be wholly related to the subject.

He described the goals, he reiterated those goals as he went, he stayed on message and described the requirements of a system that he'd like to see. I'm more than happy to give the guy some time to consider how to get where he wants to get, as he obviously has the fire for it and I seriously doubt he's going to let that go. Won't you reconsider your definition of fail?

[mashman]

Hang on, did you just agree with me? did you just just post that brand was a hypocrite?

you need to watch more than left leaning you tube clips to gain your knowledge.


If we fucked off who would you argue with?

Nope, it was still under the context of Billy and his richy rich mates being hypocrites... something I don't believe they are and not for the same reasons as you use.

Left leaning :facepalm:. Now that's an exceptional example of a fail.

I survived without arguing for decades and it goes against my usual being... but some things are worth fighting for and if that makes me argumentative, then so be it.

[BoristheBiter]

Nope, it was still under the context of Billy and his richy rich mates being hypocrites... something I don't believe they are and not for the same reasons as you use.

Left leaning :facepalm:. Now that's an exceptional example of a fail.

I survived without arguing for decades and it goes against my usual being... but some things are worth fighting for and if that makes me argumentative, then so be it.

You can't have it both ways, although i guess you would enjoy that, they are all the same.

Yeah you're right, more like left lying down and cuddling a lot.

"What I hope you'll bare in mind is that this guy is very busy and doesn't have access to the thousands of marketing, advertising, PR, spin doctoring agencies that the govt does. "

What fucking planet are you on? he has the pr spin doctors from the entertainment industry, they can make anything look how they want.

[mashman]

You can't have it both ways, although i guess you would enjoy that, they are all the same.

Yeah you're right, more like left lying down and cuddling a lot.

"What I hope you'll bare in mind is that this guy is very busy and doesn't have access to the thousands of marketing, advertising, PR, spin doctoring agencies that the govt does. "

What fucking planet are you on? he has the pr spin doctors from the entertainment industry, they can make anything look how they want.

Look, it's ok, you can say you don't understand... and whilst that won't be a surprise, you're in very good company.

Does he have the pr spin doctors though? Prove it. He still doesn't have millions of staff paid for by the population of the UK, well, not yet anyway.

[BoristheBiter]

Look, it's ok, you can say you don't understand... and whilst that won't be a surprise, you're in very good company.

Does he have the pr spin doctors though? Prove it. He still doesn't have millions of staff paid for by the population of the UK, well, not yet anyway.

I wouldn't say you're good company.

Prove it......hmmmmm... let me see. how about all the advertising for all the movies, tv and stand up shows.

What's that is not pr spin? who do you think lined up that interview?

[mashman]

I wouldn't say you're good company.

Prove it......hmmmmm... let me see. how about all the advertising for all the movies, tv and stand up shows.

What's that is not pr spin? who do you think lined up that interview?

Meh.

Could that have been those who are selling the tickets and not him?

Did he mention his show?

[Big Dave]

Are you the Judean People's Front?

[mashman]

Are you the Judean People's Front?

heh... nah, I'm still selling alternative snacks.

[BoristheBiter]

Meh.

Could that have been those who are selling the tickets and not him?

Did he mention his show?

Like you said I see what i see and you see it a different way so........... next thread please.

[Banditbandit]

Didn't work for the Maoris. They want money now instead!

Yeah - we took your beads and blankets in the past - but we learn quick !!!

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah - we took your beads and blankets in the past - but we learn quick !!!

Yep good scam that one.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah - we took your beads and blankets in the past - but we learn quick !!!

Lol. Reckon! Who needs blankets to keep warm once you've been introduced to whiskey!?

[Ulsterkiwi]

Won't you reconsider your definition of fail?

Not really no.
I think others on this thread have encapsulated it well, he is witty, fast thinking and articulate but he did not actually say anything that has not been said before. He does not deserve special attention because of his ideas, they are not in any way unique to him. What is of interest is he is someone with a cockney accent who knows how to use the english language to express himself and is otherwise known for taking nothing seriously, in fact his job is to take the piss and be disrespectful. Despite that, he seems to have an opinion on how society should work. Great. Did he express himself well? Yes. Did he say anything patently untrue? Not really. Did he bring something new to the table for consideration? Absolutey not.

What I will always do is be open minded. "How so?" you say, well if he was to be interviewed again about this I would give him another listen. Failing once does not preclude you from trying again or trying as often as you need to, to get it right. I would critique that interview with the same method, does he answer the question he poses? It would be interesting to see if he actually uses the privileged position he is in to make a difference or is just blowing hot air out of his ass because he is famous and he can.

[mashman]

Not really no.
I think others on this thread have encapsulated it well, he is witty, fast thinking and articulate but he did not actually say anything that has not been said before. He does not deserve special attention because of his ideas, they are not in any way unique to him. What is of interest is he is someone with a cockney accent who knows how to use the english language to express himself and is otherwise known for taking nothing seriously, in fact his job is to take the piss and be disrespectful. Despite that, he seems to have an opinion on how society should work. Great. Did he express himself well? Yes. Did he say anything patently untrue? Not really. Did he bring something new to the table for consideration? Absolutey not.

What I will always do is be open minded. "How so?" you say, well if he was to be interviewed again about this I would give him another listen. Failing once does not preclude you from trying again or trying as often as you need to, to get it right. I would critique that interview with the same method, does he answer the question he poses? It would be interesting to see if he actually uses the privileged position he is in to make a difference or is just blowing hot air out of his ass because he is famous and he can.

Fair enough.
He's a famous voice that's raising the issues. Do you know of many others? Certainly none that I've seen who are so well known and mainstream. As you say it's his ideas that matter and as the interview highlighted, he's looking for alternatives. I've been through the same thing so probably have an idea of where he is. I think he did well and hope that he's the voice that kicks it off... coz as you and others have noted, he probably has what it takes, verbally, to encourage people to re-examine their "philosophy". As far as I can tell he just heeds a few answers and the flood gates will open.

In regards to alternative, there are quite a few and I've read as many of their books, seen their films, read their sites etc... to gain a better understanding of how they intend to make those changes. Yet those who propose these alternatives only ever set out the future goals and are generally scant on detail in regards to how we get their and they all get slightly tongue tied when confronted with something they haven't had to consider. The stupid thing is that they then get lambasted for their lack of knowledge before being dismissed entirely. Oddly enough that's very close to the reasons that I don't vote. What people don't realise is that it isn't the speaker that is the problem where it's actually a lack understanding of the idea. Don't understand what's being said, shoot the messenger, don't think for yourself, carry on the need of being spoonfed. It's amusing to see, but there's less and less of the, oh no it can't be done's around these days, so hopefully society will keep on turning the screw.

I hope he gets some time to think about it a bit more, although having a look at his tour schedule, I doubt he'll get any real quality time to do so, so we may not see him for a year or two depending on who he talks to, what he chooses and how fast he learns. I guess we wait a wee while longer.

[BoristheBiter]

Fair enough.
He's a famous voice that's raising the issues.

...................stuff in the middle...........

I hope he gets some time to think about it a bit more, although having a look at his tour schedule, I doubt he'll get any real quality time to do so, so we may not see him for a year or two depending on who he talks to, what he chooses and how fast he learns. I guess we wait a wee while longer.

Ok here is a thought for you to consider.

Maybe the majority of people are happy with the status quo and are quite happy to rumble along as they are.
Have you ever considered this?
Have you ever considered you are a minority and will never change it?

You, and Russell, say you don't like the current way people are voted in, well unless you come up with an alternative then nothing will change and as we (NZ) have just voted to keep mmp than it doesn't look like much is going to happen there.

You would have to change the entire western world and that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

[mashman]

Ok here is a thought for you to consider.

Maybe the majority of people are happy with the status quo and are quite happy to rumble along as they are. Never know until they're asked.
Have you ever considered this? Yes.
Have you ever considered you are a minority and will never change it? Yes.

You, and Russell, say you don't like the current way people are voted in, well unless you come up with an alternative then nothing will change and as we (NZ) have just voted to keep mmp than it doesn't look like much is going to happen there.

You would have to change the entire western world and that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

I have an alternative.

Just the western world? And you thought you were thinking :bleh:. You wouldn't have to change the whole world, just 1 country and prove that it works. The rest will soon follow.

[Winston001]

Not really no.
I think others on this thread have encapsulated it well, he is witty, fast thinking and articulate but he did not actually say anything that has not been said before. He does not deserve special attention because of his ideas, they are not in any way unique to him. What is of interest is he is someone with a cockney accent who knows how to use the english language to express himself

Did he bring something new to the table for consideration? Absolutey not.

What I will always do is be open minded. "How so?" you say, well if he was to be interviewed again about this I would give him another listen.

Nice critiques Ulsterkiwi.

Lets take a more moderate view. I was impressed by Russell Brand. The other actor/celebrity who is known for his intelligence is Stephen Fry who is a polymath with Mensa-level genius.

Russell Brand was a troubled youth who had only basic education. He went to an acting school at age 16 but also became a drug addict. No university for Russell. He had attention deficit disorder and is bipolar which is obvious from his emotional swings in the Paxman interview. Basically he isn't the sort of person who succeeds in life and yet he has done so in an astonishing way.

In the interview Brand uses language we'd expect of a PhD scholar and more importantly he uses it correctly. Consider this sentence and imagine constructing it yourself under pressure in a television interview:

"So if we can engage that feeling, instead of some moment of lachrymose sentimentality trotted out on the TV for people to pore over as emotional porn..."

You have to respect the guy. He is self educated and has to have sharp intelligence to even understand let alone comfortably use terms such as lachrymose.

[Winston001]

However the fact Russell couldn't enunciate even a fragment of how the revolution would work is telling. He does not have the deeper educational background to draw on philosophers such as Mill or Marx, or from history: the sort of answers Stephen Fry with his Cambridge background could address for an hour.

But what the heck. Russell Brand is refreshingly clever and I do not doubt that he will develop ideas, probably not new ones but he will have a wider audience than most political studies lecturers. And that is good for all of us.

[ducatilover]

Did't albert einstein say something like, 'If you cant\'t explain it in simple terms, you dont understand it properly yourself' -or something to that effect?



Ironic post is ironic.

[BoristheBiter]

I have an alternative.

Just the western world? And you thought you were thinking :bleh:. You wouldn't have to change the whole world, just 1 country and prove that it works. The rest will soon follow.

And who's county will you change? not ours as we have already voted on that puppy.

But again why change? only a handful are crying about it.
When we go to the polls and the majority vote it in then we will change........................but you don't vote...........:killingme.

[Ocean1]

only a handful are crying about it.

Just mushman, in fact.

So not even that.

[mashman]

And who's county will you change? not ours as we have already voted on that puppy.

But again why change? only a handful are crying about it.
When we go to the polls and the majority vote it in then we will change........................but you don't vote...........:killingme.

Any country that takes on the idea. I reckon NZ is in with a better chance than most. Funny thing is though, you haven't voted on that puppy at all.

How do you know how many there are given that the country hasn't been asked?
No it won't. Voting has only ever changed the taxation situation and added the odd law here and there, nothing else changes. Damn right I WON'T vote, as I won't throw it away on the meaningless nonsense that our "leaders" come up with as policy and just settle for the lesser of two evils. I see that no meaningful changes take place, so why would anyone vote? In fact I'd go as far as to say that those who vote are being irresponsible towards their countrymen and have ignored their due care on the grounds that the law doesn't require them to. Ignorant fuckers.


Just mushman, in fact.

So not even that.

Do you have any objections to putting it to a vote?

[Ocean1]

Do you have any objections to putting it to a vote?

None whatsoever.

I'll give it the big fuck off just as soon as you tell us what you want.

[mashman]

None whatsoever.

I'll give it the big fuck off just as soon as you tell us what you want.

Cool.

I'm a giver.

[BoristheBiter]

Any country that takes on the idea. I reckon NZ is in with a better chance than most. Funny thing is though, you haven't voted on that puppy at all.

How do you know how many there are given that the country hasn't been asked?
No it won't. Voting has only ever changed the taxation situation and added the odd law here and there, nothing else changes. Damn right I WON'T vote, as I won't throw it away on the meaningless nonsense that our "leaders" come up with as policy and just settle for the lesser of two evils. I see that no meaningful changes take place, so why would anyone vote? In fact I'd go as far as to say that those who vote are being irresponsible towards their countrymen and have ignored their due care on the grounds that the law doesn't require them to. Ignorant fuckers.

Do you have any objections to putting it to a vote?


Never said we had, I said "when" we vote on it.

Voting has only changed the..................... blah blah fucking blah.
yes you have spouted this since the dawn of time. (or does it just seem that long)

So go out and start a petition to get us to vote on it at the next election.
Come on, put up or shut up.
I know what it will be.

[Ocean1]

Cool.

I'm a giver.

Nope. You can give whatever you want without changing a thing.

You're a parasite.

[mashman]

Never said we had, I said "when" we vote on it.

Voting has only changed the..................... blah blah fucking blah.
yes you have spouted this since the dawn of time. (or does it just seem that long)

So go out and start a petition to get us to vote on it at the next election.
Come on, put up or shut up.
I know what it will be.

So you didn't say "not ours as we have already voted on that puppy"... hmmmmmmm.

I have indeed spouted it and it has never been proven to be a false statement.

I'll do something when I'm good and ready and it won't be at the next election, but it could be at anytime... so already have been doing something about it, so consider it put up.
No you don't.

[mashman]

Nope. You can give whatever you want without changing a thing.

You're a parasite.

I know.

Aren't we all.

[BoristheBiter]

So you didn't say "not ours as we have already voted on that puppy"... hmmmmmmm.

I have indeed spouted it and it has never been proven to be a false statement.

I'll do something when I'm good and ready and it won't be at the next election, but it could be at anytime... so already have been doing something about it, so consider it put up.
No you don't.

Still no as that quote you used was in reference to MMP, please do at least try and keep up.

never said it is, only referring that you are a one trick pony

No I was right, you will do fuck all, don't take it personally, just the type of person you come across as.

[mashman]

Still no as that quote you used was in reference to MMP, please do at least try and keep up.

never said it is, only referring that you are a one trick pony

No I was right, you will do fuck all, don't take it personally, just the type of person you come across as.

Where the fuck did MMP, let alone any form of alternative voting system come in to it?

One trick pony? Got a context for that as my mind reading skills seem to be on the fritz.

Not taking it personally, as I said, I already have done something... and I'll take whatever steps I decide to take when I decide to take them.

[husaberg]

Russell is often witty and clever. I for one admire anyone who will speak up about the unjustness of any situation.
All to often people in the limelight are managed and homogenised into saying basically nothing in case it might offend someone.
Having said that Russell can also act like a self indulgent twit. but don't we all.
I guess he just got sick of dooffing Katy Perry cause is she even able to hold an intelligent conversion.
I guess she actually represents everything he claims to be against... Incredible ta ta's though.


I watched the Video about Barry Sheene and James Hunt the other day and it brought home to me how much the world has changed.
The ultimate irony of the situation is that they have taken so much character out of the world of F1 and to a lesser extent Gp's that most of the publicity and money and public interest has gone with it.

Its well worth a watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4UXfyxgZsk&feature=player_detailpage

[Damantis]

If someone came up with a new one, would he vote them into office to implement it? Probably not. The problem with not voting as a means of protest is that those who have world views and politics you disagree with will vote for what they want, in the vacuum of your political indifference. Thus, the status quo, or whatever you see as a senseless charade remains.

If someone held a gun to your head and asked you choose between dying by waterboarding or being fucked to death by Katy Perry, what kind of fuckwit would leave that outcome to the will of others bothered to have a say?

Ready when you are, Katy.

[BoristheBiter]

Where the fuck did MMP, let alone any form of alternative voting system come in to it?

One trick pony? Got a context for that as my mind reading skills seem to be on the fritz.

Not taking it personally, as I said, I already have done something... and I'll take whatever steps I decide to take when I decide to take them.

go back and try reading the post you got that quote from:facepalm:

context, this thread, any other threads you have posted in. Not my fault your inability to read causes you problems (context: the above quote)

yeah you posted a vid with some wanker, crying about the way the world is, after he's become famous. :niceone:

You carry on as you're doing a slap up job of trying to change the world.

[mashman]

go back and try reading the post you got that quote from:facepalm:

context, this thread, any other threads you have posted in. Not my fault your inability to read causes you problems (context: the above quote)

yeah you posted a vid with some wanker, crying about the way the world is, after he's become famous. :niceone:

You carry on as you're doing a slap up job of trying to change the world.

:rofl:... aye, fuck all there about the system of voting. Kinda sums up anything you have to say really.

Ahhhh I see, it's read your mind day, nope, my end is still on the fritz... well, not my end, but, my end.

It took me 37 years to start crying about the way the world is. Do you have a point? I'm guessing it's sticking pout of your head and looks remarkably penis like.

I'm doing better than you :yes:

[mashman]

If someone came up with a new one, would he vote them into office to implement it? Probably not.

I reckon he would as that seemed to be one of the things he was getting at.

I'll take death by a thousand Katy's please... no need for her to speak.

[husaberg]

Does she actually talk??????????
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[BoristheBiter]

:rofl:... aye, fuck all there about the system of voting. Kinda sums up anything you have to say really.

Ahhhh I see, it's read your mind day, nope, my end is still on the fritz... well, not my end, but, my end.

It took me 37 years to start crying about the way the world is. Do you have a point? I'm guessing it's sticking pout of your head and looks remarkably penis like.

I'm doing better than you :yes:

what ever.

[mashman]

what ever.

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/loser.jpg

[Swoop]

Does she actually talk??????????
Forget that detail. The BIG question is "how does that small bit of fabric keep the jubblies inside?".

Seriously, if bike frames were made of that material, they would be un-breakable! Perhaps Suzuki should get in contact?

[Banditbandit]

Lol. Reckon! Who needs blankets to keep warm once you've been introduced to whiskey!?

Yeah .. liked that thank you. Whiskey makes your women hot and horny ... must be because your male ancestors denied it to them for so long ... (both the sex and the whiskey ...)

[husaberg]

Forget that detail. The BIG question is "how does that small bit of fabric keep the jubblies inside?".

Seriously, if bike frames were made of that material, they would be un-breakable! Perhaps Suzuki should get in contact?

Same way the jubblies are held in you use to stop her talking, you also use the same to hold a race bike together ..................Gaffa tape

[carbonhed]

Go Russell go.

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[mashman]

As it turns out, Paxman never voted in the last election either.

[BoristheBiter]

Go Russell go.



Fuck me he is a politician, 7 mins of jabbering away and said nothing.

[mashman]

If someone came up with a new one, would he vote them into office to implement it? Probably not.

He says that he would (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/russell-brand-democratic-system-newsnight?CMP=twt_gu) ;)

[Damantis]

He says that he would (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/russell-brand-democratic-system-newsnight?CMP=twt_gu) ;)

I like this bit ...

"Some people say I'm a hypocrite because I've got money now. When I was poor and I complained about inequality people said I was bitter, now I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want inequality on the agenda because it is a real problem that needs to be addressed."

[husaberg]

Rich he only meant to be worth 15 million US... is he really that rich at the end of the day:msn-wink:
Compared to the real rich that he is targeting, he is a bellboy.....

[avgas]

I dunno - I had little to no respect for Brand up until recently.
While I don't agree completely with what he is saying - I am starting to fall into the following catagory:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qs0iAebB1qjqxmoo1_1280.jpg

[mashman]

I like this bit ...

"Some people say I'm a hypocrite because I've got money now. When I was poor and I complained about inequality people said I was bitter, now I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want inequality on the agenda because it is a real problem that needs to be addressed."

Aye, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Hypocrisy is an easy label to hide behind. It's amusing to think that the people calling him a hypocrite haven't taken any steps to raise the issue themselves. Kinda puts their opinion into perspective.


I dunno - I had little to no respect for Brand up until recently.
While I don't agree completely with what he is saying - I am starting to fall into the following catagory:

You gotz to getz lots of money before you're allowed to actively take part in that pursuit and unfortunately for you, those positions look to be taken.

[BoristheBiter]

Aye, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Hypocrisy is an easy label to hide behind. It's amusing to think that the people calling him a hypocrite haven't taken any steps to raise the issue themselves. Kinda puts their opinion into perspective.



The people that are calling him a hypocrite don't think there is anything wrong with the system so why would they want to change it?

The only issue is some celebrity thinks he knows better than everyone else in regards to equality but wont give them his millions.

But we have equality now, anyone can work for a living, it's not just a benefit of the rich you know.

[husaberg]

The people that are calling him a hypocrite don't think there is anything wrong with the system so why would they want to change it?

The only issue is some celebrity thinks he knows better than everyone else in regards to equality but wont give them his millions.

But we have equality now, anyone can work for a living, it's not just a benefit of the rich you know.

True but.
Have a look at the propping up of Wall street and other financial institutions.
the bailing out of the finance companies.

The buy out by Soild energy of the Todd families share of Spring creek mine, The buy out of Pike river mine all just months before it apparently collapsed and the subsequent deals by NZ oil and Gas regarding Pike.
who benefited who lost.
Transpowers Cayman Island Tax dodge
Anyone remember how the CHCH rebuild management was tendered out???????????????

[avgas]

You gotz to getz lots of money before you're allowed to actively take part in that pursuit and unfortunately for you, those positions look to be taken.
Not always true. It will be the poor who start the fires - and the rich who will be unable to help them to prevent them starting the fires.

Who is John Galt?
He is the great destroyer apparently. Or the guy who could have fixed it but didn't

Who is Howard Roark?
He was the person who didn't want to do things the traditional way. Because it was ineffective.

If we can kill off fictional characters.....my guess is this guy is next in the real world
http://tommytoy.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f3a4072c970b01901e4f616a970b-550wi

Top Gear, VW and GM have already had a crack at it. US Govt will be next.

[mashman]

The people that are calling him a hypocrite don't think there is anything wrong with the system so why would they want to change it?

The only issue is some celebrity thinks he knows better than everyone else in regards to equality but wont give them his millions.

But we have equality now, anyone can work for a living, it's not just a benefit of the rich you know.

Fair point <_<

Why would he give them his millions?

:killingme

[avgas]

True but.
Have a look at the propping up of Wall street and other financial institutions.
the bailing out of the finance companies.

The buy out by Soild energy of the Todd families share of Spring creek mine, The buy out of Pike river mine all just months before it apparently collapsed and the subsequent deals by NZ oil and Gas regarding Pike.
who benefited who lost.
Transpowers Cayman Island Tax dodge
Anyone remember how the CHCH rebuild management was tendered out???????????????
Tip of the iceberg. I worked for my family company that took on the big boys at a particular industry.
We had the resources, the knowledge and the skills. We also were cheaper and more reliable.

Do you think we could crowbar the big boys hands out of the council/govt pockets while they jerked them off.
Hell no. They got the contracts, under-quoted, and were allowed to run 7 times over budget. In many circumstances we got sub-contracted the work.
So we did the job - you paid 5 times for it.

This happened to me in my engineering career in NZ for the last 14 years. Working for 3 separate, small and efficient companies.
Sometimes I would throw a spanner in the works - just to watch the fat fucks squirm a little. Of course these were purely for my short term entertainment. Cost the tax payer millions......but you would have lost that any way.

Big boys have been jerking off the govt for a long time.

[mashman]

Not always true. It will be the poor who start the fires - and the rich who will be unable to help them to prevent them starting the fires.

Who is John Galt?
He is the great destroyer apparently. Or the guy who could have fixed it but didn't

Who is Howard Roark?
He was the person who didn't want to do things the traditional way. Because it was ineffective.

If we can kill off fictional characters.....my guess is this guy is next in the real world

The poor? Dunno about that. I reckon it'll be the kids across all financial classes.

Galt: Could have fixed it but didn't? or could have fixed it but was never given the chance?

Roark: Sounds like a sensible fulla... shame he wasn't given the chance to stretch his legs.

Mebee. Guess he won't be the first or the most famous.

[Ocean1]

Hypocrisy is an easy label to hide behind. It's amusing to think that the people calling him a hypocrite haven't taken any steps to raise the issue themselves. Kinda puts their opinion into perspective.

You don't like the label?

That's unfortunate, 'cause it's perfectly accurate.


The people that are calling him a hypocrite don't think there is anything wrong with the system so why would they want to change it?

Aye.

And there's plenty that can see the hypocrisy while acknowledging that there's things wrong with the system.

[Thaeos]

Revolution sounds good, if only because I'd like to sit back and watch it.

[mashman]

You don't like the label?

That's unfortunate, 'cause it's perfectly accurate.

Aye.

And there's plenty that can see the hypocrisy while acknowledging that there's things wrong with the system.

As I've said to you before, I am aware of my hypocrisy as you see it. I have no problem with the label where those using it, as mentioned earlier, hide behind it to paint a picture where the system that we currently live under is perfect.

And as it's you... your perfect system is based on the premise where society has an economy to look after those who live within that society, with the right whinge bent of, look after those who work i.e. pay a fair days wage for a fair days work etc... It also purports to manage the resources being used as best as it can to the benefit of those within that society, again you may attach the right whinge bent. That system is failing people time and time again, so hiding behind that is nothing more than mindless denial. If you are denying that the system is imperfect, then your use of hypocrisy is not only deeply ironic, but carries about as much weight as the fart that has just squeezed out from between my cheeks. In fact if your denial was the smell, I would have likely accidentally killed my family with that last one whereas a known hypocrisy fart would have barely had their nasal hairs twitching.

Ours is a world you'll never understand. And you always fear what you don't understand. Don't be scared, we'll be gentle.

[Ocean1]

As I've said to you before, I am aware of my hypocrisy as you see it. I have no problem with the label where those using it, as mentioned earlier, hide behind it to paint a picture where the system that we currently live under is perfect.

And as it's you... your perfect system is based on the premise where society has an economy to look after those who live within that society, with the right whinge bent of, look after those who work i.e. pay a fair days wage for a fair days work etc... It also purports to manage the resources being used as best as it can to the benefit of those within that society, again you may attach the right whinge bent. That system is failing people time and time again, so hiding behind that is nothing more than mindless denial. If you are denying that the system is imperfect, then your use of hypocrisy is not only deeply ironic, but carries about as much weight as the fart that has just squeezed out from between my cheeks. In fact if your denial was the smell, I would have likely accidentally killed my family with that last one whereas a known hypocrisy fart would have barely had their nasal hairs twitching.

It's not just hypocrisy as I see it, it's a generally accepted term for those that fail to behave as they expect others to. And it's a good thing you are a in fact hypocrite, anybody else would have serious difficulty living living with the shame of failing to live up to their own expectations.

And I've never mentioned anything about what I might consider to be a perfect system, you continue to insist on seeing bogeymen that aren't there. Which sorta makes your deep and meaningful bogeyman analysis complete crap, dunnit?


Ours is a world you'll never understand. And you always fear what you don't understand. Don't be scared, we'll be gentle.

Is it just hypocrites that need to pretend they know best? Or is there the odd fuckwit in there with you?

[mashman]

It's not just hypocrisy as I see it, it's a generally accepted term for those that fail to behave as they expect others to. And it's a good thing you are a in fact hypocrite, anybody else would have serious difficulty living living with the shame of failing to live up to their own expectations.

And I've never mentioned anything about what I might consider to be a perfect system, you continue to insist on seeing bogeymen that aren't there. Which sorta makes your deep and meaningful bogeyman analysis complete crap, dunnit?

Is it just hypocrites that need to pretend they know best? Or is there the odd fuckwit in there with you?

Are you saying that those who would like more equity in society wouldn't accept that which they espouse? Coz if not, that kinda blows your hypocrisy argument outta the water, innt? I live up to my expectations, no worries there, else I'd do something about it.

You did say that there was nothing wrong with the system? Or where you disassociating yourself from that view?

Better, not best and no, it's not the sole preserve of the so called hypocrite. There are many fuckwits that feel the same way about how things could be done betterer.

[husaberg]

It's not just hypocrisy as I see it, it's a generally accepted term for those that fail to behave as they expect others to. And it's a good thing you are a in fact hypocrite, anybody else would have serious difficulty living living with the shame of failing to live up to their own expectations.

And I've never mentioned anything about what I might consider to be a perfect system, you continue to insist on seeing bogeymen that aren't there. Which sorta makes your deep and meaningful bogeyman analysis complete crap, dunnit?



Is it just hypocrites that need to pretend they know best? Or is there the odd fuckwit in there with you?


Are you saying that those who would like more equity in society wouldn't accept that which they espouse? Coz if not, that kinda blows your hypocrisy argument outta the water, innt? I live up to my expectations, no worries there, else I'd do something about it.

You did say that there was nothing wrong with the system? Or where you disassociating yourself from that view?

Better, not best and no, it's not the sole preserve of the so called hypocrite. There are many fuckwits that feel the same way about how things could be done betterer.

If you too are ever single at the same time i reckon you should get married:innocent:

[bluninja]

If you too are ever single at the same time i reckon you should get married:innocent:

Nah, imagine the divorce....how would they split their belongings and money? :motu:

[Ocean1]

Are you saying that those who would like more equity in society wouldn't accept that which they espouse? Coz if not, that kinda blows your hypocrisy argument outta the water, innt? I live up to my expectations, no worries there, else I'd do something about it.

The ones that are already free to do exactly what they expect others to do, and don't?

Yes.

But you go right ahead and give enough of your income and assets to the poor so they have what you do and I’ll apologise immediately.

I’ll even be moderately sincere.


You did say that there was nothing wrong with the system? Or where you disassociating yourself from that view?

Never have said there was nothing wrong with "the system". Far too much disparity between effort and return to start with.


Better, not best and no, it's not the sole preserve of the so called hypocrite. There are many fuckwits that feel the same way about how things could be done betterer.

“Knows best” is a term often used in describing hypocritical behaviour. That’s why I used it in reference to hypocrites. An actual hypocrite in this case, as opposed to one of your fuzzy “so called hypocrites”. I’m funny like that, like to say what I mean.

And you don’t need to be a hypocrite or a fuckwit to want things organised differently, most people do, those tag’s tend to be reserved for those who just want other people to do stuff they don’t bother doing themselves.

Now fuck off and earn your keep, before the boss notices you’re not worth the price of a pile of cold rancid tripe.

[mashman]

Nah, imagine the divorce....how would they split their belongings and money? :motu:

If he's got the kids, he can have it all.

[mashman]

The ones that are already free to do exactly what they expect others to do, and don't?

Yes.

But you go right ahead and give enough of your income and assets to the poor so they have what you do and I’ll apologise immediately.

I’ll even be moderately sincere.

I would say that they're waiting for the environment to do just that. Children of 2 worlds iffen ye like. Until then, why disadvantage your family and those who rely upon you due to you being a child of 2 worlds? I wouldn't refer to that as hypocrisy. Anyway, who's expecting anyone to do anything different than they already do? I'm expecting others to do exactly what they are currently doing.

Why is it then when anyone talks of income redistribution etc... they must instantly give everything away? I'm all for the govt taking more tax from me to pay for the poor... although I'd rather we changed the way the system worked and we did what we do now but without the financial constraint/penalty results that we constantly fight and argue over.



Never have said there was nothing wrong with "the system". Far too much disparity between effort and return to start with.

My apologies, I misread your quote earlier. I agree, there is.



“Knows best” is a term often used in describing hypocritical behaviour. That’s why I used it in reference to hypocrites. An actual hypocrite in this case, as opposed to one of your fuzzy “so called hypocrites”. I’m funny like that, like to say what I mean.

And you don’t need to be a hypocrite or a fuckwit to want things organised differently, most people do, those tag’s tend to be reserved for those who just want other people to do stuff they don’t bother doing themselves.

Now fuck off and earn your keep, before the boss notices you’re not worth the price of a pile of cold rancid tripe.

Horse for courses, I guess it's how you use the term and in this case, it is the motion in the Ocean.

So, everyone then.

I guess their valuation depends on how much work they have for me. Fortunately that's their problem.

[husaberg]

Nah, imagine the divorce....how would they split their belongings and money? :motu:
I'd rather imagine the divorce than the wedding night.
I just noticed they both live in Wellington as well..........:shit:

[mashman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3PalrfEF4g

[wharekura]

So a way to cause change is by not voting - what an idiot.

Preaching to the naive and the stupid through his wit and charm. Try telling black South Africans that voting does not cause change.

Yes, so when the people do vote on non-binding ref like the fluoridating of Hamilton water - even though around 70% said put it back in the water - it seems the council mite be a wee bit scared of the bullying rhetoric tactics of the anti-fluoride brigade. They tend to like using words like "mass medication - last used by the Nazis".

So yes, Mr Brand, it does seem voting in some cases is a waste of time. I was going to suggest Mr Brand to run in politics - but his naïve and stupid followers wont vote - because he advocates this?

'nuff said.

[BoristheBiter]

So a way to cause change is by not voting - what an idiot.

Preaching to the naive and the stupid through his wit and charm. Try telling black South Africans that voting does not cause change.

Yes, so when the people do vote on non-binding ref like the fluoridating of Hamilton water - even though around 70% said put it back in the water - it seems the council mite be a wee bit scared of the bullying rhetoric tactics of the anti-fluoride brigade. They tend to like using words like "mass medication - last used by the Nazis".

So yes, Mr Brand, it does seem voting in some cases is a waste of time. I was going to suggest Mr Brand to run in politics - but his naïve and stupid followers wont vote - because he advocates this?

'nuff said.

They are waiting on the outcome of the legal case in Taranaki before making a decision but it did seem they were going to put it back in.
I do think it is a non issue, if you don't want it then put in a tank and if you do want it then put it in yourself.
Not to hard to figure out.

As for Brand i agree. what a twat.

[mashman]

So a way to cause change is by not voting - what an idiot.

Makes sense to me. A massive vote of no confidence. It's already at ?22%? (almost 1/4 of the population). Get that to 51% and what's gonna happen? Change?

[wharekura]

Makes sense to me. A massive vote of no confidence. It's already at ?22%? (almost 1/4 of the population). Get that to 51% and what's gonna happen? Change?

Of course it would.

[mashman]

Of course it would.

So you wuz being sarcronic.

[Winston001]

Makes sense to me. A massive vote of no confidence. It's already at ?22%? (almost 1/4 of the population). Get that to 51% and what's gonna happen? Change?

The primary reason people don't vote is because it isn't important to them. Life is ok with good bits and bad bits and politics simply doesn't touch their lives.

The secondary reason is what Russel Brand says - a small minority feel powerless and do not understand representative democracy. So rather than reading and working it out, its much easier to cynically dismiss the right to vote and blame everyone else for their personal woes.

But basically, safe boring contented populations do not get excited about voting. Its in times of trouble that we see big turnouts at the ballot box.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I think he did his best work in this interview, where he literally destroyed the credibility and confidence of three interviewers on Good morning Joe.


http://youtu.be/mDCtFTyw6fI

[mashman]

The primary reason people don't vote is because it isn't important to them. Life is ok with good bits and bad bits and politics simply doesn't touch their lives.

The secondary reason is what Russel Brand says - a small minority feel powerless and do not understand representative democracy. So rather than reading and working it out, its much easier to cynically dismiss the right to vote and blame everyone else for their personal woes.

But basically, safe boring contented populations do not get excited about voting. Its in times of trouble that we see big turnouts at the ballot box.

Very true... and when they do they see it for the ridiculous sham that it is, or at the very least go back to not voting.

Their woes are brought on by the actions of others though. There are no ifs ands or buts about it. It matters not whether it's a minority that are "suffering" for those actions.

I wonder if there will be a larger voter turnout next year?

We can do much better.

[avgas]

The primary reason people don't vote is because it isn't important to them. Life is ok with good bits and bad bits and politics simply doesn't touch their lives.

The secondary reason is what Russel Brand says - a small minority feel powerless and do not understand representative democracy. So rather than reading and working it out, its much easier to cynically dismiss the right to vote and blame everyone else for their personal woes.

But basically, safe boring contented populations do not get excited about voting. Its in times of trouble that we see big turnouts at the ballot box.
I could say the same who vote for the sake of it.

[husaberg]

I could say the same who vote for the sake of it.

People generally vote for the lesser of evils.
if the Brand way, is not having saying no don't vote that will teach them.
guess which one gets voted in.
Russells Funny and charming, Mad and well spoken.
But shit, to stop pounding Katy. He will never not get my vote.