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HenryDorsetCase
28th October 2013, 10:13
some one has posted the lamest thread ever on this which does not even say who has died and links to a news story out of Oregon FFS.

Legendary Velvet Underground mainstay and founder member, and always interesting singer songwriter, composer and lyricist, LEWIS ALLAN "LOU" REED, had died, aged 71.

Here is a cut and paste of an Artist of the Week I did for a music board I am on: It isnt Lou specific, but its an overview of the Velvets: I can expand on it for the solo career if there is interest but I figure that if any of you have any inkling of or interest in actual rock and roll music then you will understand and be sad.


First thing you learn is that you always gotta wait”
Sorry this AOTW is a bit late – I screwed up the time difference thingy.
The reason I have called you all together is to talk to you about The Velvet Underground. Everybody knows the Velvets, right? Well, surprisingly, like a lot of bands I get the sense they are more talked about and revered than listened to. But I think they are so essential, and so great, that having a listen is totally worthwhile.
This is not going to be an immaculately researched and footnoted wall of text, what I am going to do is give a brief overview, then a headsup on the albums, then a totally indulgent Top 10 of my favourite tracks.
So, imagine its New York City in the early -mid 1960’s. The band has four members:
Lou Reed: Reed had been a paid songwriter for a record company, been to college, plays guitar and sings.
John Cale: Cale is Welsh, i.e. from Wales and is a classically trained viola player who ended up in New York to pursue avant garde music career.
Sterling Morrison: guitarist. Played with Lou in an earlier band.
Maureen Tucker. Drummer and quite the avant gardist (is that a word?) herself.

Andy Warhol’s Factory happening thing is like, where all the hep cats are at, man. And he becomes their manager (in 1965). He is the darling of the art world and they get a recording contract. And he has this multimedia extravaganza thing called the Exploding Plastic Inevitable, which tours. And the Velvets provide the music for it. Pretty easy to roll your eyes at this point and go “Fuck off, hippies, or “Fuck off art-wank”. But persevere! What saves us is the songs.
The songs are incredible. You have two main themes going on: the total avant garde thing personified by Cale, and the pop sensibility of Reed. And they write songs about shit that no one else is writing songs about at the time: sado masochism, scoring drugs, transvestitism, weird ass stuff that they see. And sometimes it sounds like a popsong. Sometimes not so much.

The officially recorded/released output is only four albums!* You really need all four.

1967 “The Velvet Underground and Nico” - This is the record with the banana on it. Warhol was the nominal producer, and Nico who was a chanteuse (whatever that is – I thought it was some kind of weird liqueur) sings on some songs. (Thus, the & Nico) thing. She flat out cannot sing. Honestly, she is flat. And her voice is deep. I used to hate her songs on this record but I am (to coin a phrase) “Beginning to see the light”. Having said that, this album has “Heroin” (Hey kids, lets do some drugs”) “Waiting for the Man” (Hey kids, lets go uptown to score some drugs” ) and “Run Run Run” on it so I pretty much used to skip her vocals. Not so much lately though. The deep flat drone kind of works with some of the more drone-y material.

1968: White Light/White Heat. By this stage Warhol has been ditched, so has Nico, and the band are doing what they do. John Cale is on record as saying the record is “Anti- beauty” This album has the song “White Light/White Heat” on it which is (surprise.....) about drugs. Amphetamines to be precise. There are a couple of more experimental pieces (“The Gift” and “Lady Godivas Operation”) plus the songs about drag queens and lobotomies etc. This (despite WL/WH) was the album I took the longest to get into. I find it really great to listen to late at night when tired though, for some reason.

1969: The Velvet Underground. Cale is out! Reed seizes control! Pop songs abound! New member is Doug Yule who was shoulder tapped after Cale left. This is stark contrast to the last album which is quite abrasive described by Robert Christgau as "folk rock". This has some killer material though: “Pale Blue Eyes”, “What Goes on” and “Beginning to see the Light”

1970 Loaded. This is actually the first record of theirs I ever heard. A guy I flatted with loved it and would play it over and over. Not hard to see why: “Lonesome Cowboy Bill” “Sweet Jane” “Rock and Roll”, seriously there is not a bad song on this record. If you only buy one album, make it this one.

And thats it. Two other things to mention. The “lost” album of 1969: they did some recording while on the road, they argued with their record company but they recorded some stellar stuff. This was eventually released (in the 80’s?) as VU. Get it for “Foggy Notion” if for no other reason.

The final footnote is an album by Doug Yule (trading as The Velvet Underground) in 1973 called “Squeeze”. I’ve never heard it. I doubt I would buy it.

Oh yeah, if you’re buying Velvets stuff again probably your best bet is to pick up the “Peel Slowly and See” boxset. If for no other reason than the liner notes are great, plus you get hugely expanded (and in some cases demos and alternate mixes and stuff) editions of the four studio albums and another of demos etc. The “Fully loaded” reissues are also good. There is also a huge vinyl boxset I eye hungrily whenever I go into my LRS. But for nearly $300 it can sit there a bit longer....

OK: my self indulgent top ten (I am reading Nick Hornby’s HIGH FIDELITY at present):

10:What Goes On
9:Sunday Morning
8:Pale Blue Eyes
7: Heroin
6: New Age
5: White Light/White Heat
4: Sweet Jane
3: Run Run Run
2: Rock and Roll
1: Foggy Notion ( no idea why. I love this song. I have a playlist at work which is this song repeated five times...)

samples:
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nkumhBVPGdg There is also the Lou Reed solo kick ass rock and roll version of this on Rock N Roll Animal. That plus the intro are worth the entry price

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VEM1wayCOjI Sister Ray live in 1969 (listen to that git-box!)

one more:

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Anyway, I feel I have kind of half arsed this a bit. but its difficult to find a balance with such an important and well known act. If this does nothing else than inspire someone to dust off some dusty old CD's or (even beter) records, then I am happy.

Lou Reed solo is interesting too. a (it has to be said) fairly inconsistent output but some works of utter genius. His fuck you to glam rock (ROCK N ROLL ANIMAL) his "Fuck you" to his label METAL MACHINE MUSIC (its unlistenable - re-released last year), and some great albums: "Coney Island Baby" "his love song to New York: "NEW YORK" etc.

There is a whole lot more to his back catalogue than "Walk on the Wild side" which is still a work of untrammelled genius.

I feel as if someone I know has died. I am sad.

Rcktfsh
28th October 2013, 11:03
Hey, that cunt's not breathing
I think she's had too much
of something or other, hey, man, you know what I mean?
I don't mean to scare you
but you're the one who came here
and you're the one who's gotta take her when you leave
I'm not being smart
or trying to be cold on my part
and I'm not gonna wear my heart on my sleeve
But you know people get all emotional
and sometimes, man, they just don't act rational you know,
they think they're just on TV

Sha-la-la-la, man
why don't you just slip her away

You know, I'm glad that we met man
it really was nice talking
and I really wish that there was a little more time to speak
But you know it could be a hassle
trying to explain this all to a police officer
about how it was that your old lady got herself stiffed
And it's not like we could help
but there wasn't nothing no one could do
and if there was, man, you know I would have been the first
But when someone turns that blue
well, it's a universal truth
and then you just know that bitch will never fuck again
By the way, that's really some bad shit
that you came to our place with
but you ought to be more careful around the little girls
It's either the best or it's the worst
and since I don't have to choose
I guess I won't and I know this ain't no way to treat a guest
But why don't you grab your old lady by the feet
and just lay her out in the darkest street
and by morning, she's just another hit and run.
You know, some people got no choice
and they can never find a voice
to talk with that they can even call their own
So the first thing that they see
that allows them the right to be
why they follow it, you know, it's called bad luck.

blue rider
28th October 2013, 11:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wNknGIKkoA

sounds of my childhood

R.I.P

Motu
28th October 2013, 11:08
I feel as if someone I know has died. I am sad.

Me too. For someone angry at the world, not knowing why, or what to do about it, Lou Reed set the tone of my life in that period. I prefer his solo stuff to Velvet Underground, but a lot of his solo work is his version of those songs, just better production in the '70's. Time for a marathon through my collection today - so much different without the drugs.

Most remembered line - ''Life is meant to be more than this...and this is a bum trip!''

eelracing
28th October 2013, 15:34
A sad day so had to break out my fave Reed Album...Set The Twilight Reeling.

Senator an illegal congress by proxy is a pigeon by any other name...Senators you polish a turd
Here in the big city we got a word for those who would bed their beloved big bird
And make a mockery of our freedoms
Without even using a condom...without even saying no
By god we have a name for people like that.
It's-hey-motherfucker

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BMWST?
28th October 2013, 15:47
some time ago i went to a concert in Wellington where Lou reed was gonna play...he was so smashed he could hardly walk or sing.I think he sang a song or maybe two at the most,and that was it...

Zedder
28th October 2013, 17:40
some time ago i went to a concert in Wellington where Lou reed was gonna play...he was so smashed he could hardly walk or sing.I think he sang a song or maybe two at the most,and that was it...

Hence the need for a liver transplant probably:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11147429

Big Dave
28th October 2013, 18:14
Too early for a fork joke?

gammaguy
28th October 2013, 19:00
Replying to a thread to meh is an oxymoron

But meh

I was too busy at the disco

jasonu
28th October 2013, 19:04
[QUOTE=HenryDorsetCase;1130630274]some one has posted the lamest thread ever on this which does not even say who has died and links to a news story out of Oregon FFS.

Um it says who died in the story, which actually originated from CNN, in the link I included you thick cunt. The thread was 'for your information' and I didn't feel it necessary to post anything else as the story was self explanatory so go fuck yourself. Also, what is wrong with a story from Oregon? Oregon is in the USA which by coincidence is the exact same country Lou Reed is from. Would you rather the story came from the Te Kuiti Chronicle?

Stylo
28th October 2013, 19:14
RIP the Man ...

Only Concert I saw him was early '80's - encore song after about 10 minutes of cheering, he came on and did 'Walk on the Wild side'

Memorable night ...

Scouse
28th October 2013, 19:21
RIP LOU Rock'n'Roll animal and Lou Reed Live was the sound of my 1970's

Big Dave
28th October 2013, 22:07
'Te Kuiti Chronicle?'

Yes. Do you have a link?

Big Dave
29th October 2013, 01:43
The sound of my 1970's:

Velcro.

Banditbandit
29th October 2013, 08:03
Another great one leaves us ...

I'm amused that the news keeps playing Walk on the Wild Side .. thee are so many othe grerat Lou Reed songs ...

And every punk band in Godzone in the 1970s played Sweet Jane ..

"One chord is fine, two chords are pushing it, three chords and you're into jazz" Lou Reed ..

HenryDorsetCase
29th October 2013, 08:22
The sound of my 1970's:

Velcro.

and now that you are IN your 70's: still velcro. This time on your Depends though. Does that count?

Big Dave
29th October 2013, 12:30
My deep end has no velcro.


And I think there's something in that for all of us - don't you?

It may even look good on a tee shirt.