My crash at Meremere, 3 November

[The Reibz]

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Wasn't braking much harder than I had for the previous 20 odd runs of the day. Brakes did feel extremely faded though, track marshal said it may have been the front slowly losing grip over time.
You can hear it lock at some stage during the video.

Now all you experts can tell me what I did wrong


EDIT: The Damage
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[nzspokes]

I would be more concerned about the motor running on its side.

[DrunkenMistake]

Now all you experts can tell me what I did wrong



Pretty obvious what you done wrong,

You fell off.

[nzspokes]

But what was your time?

[The Reibz]

Time was a 11.104. Fastest I ran was a 10.9 at 137mph. Def need to work on my launch.

[Pumba]

Now all you experts can tell me what I did wrong

Well all I can tell from that video is that the front tucked, and you fell off. But I suspect you are already knew that.

By the way your oil light is on.

[Erelyes]

Now all you experts can tell me what I did wrong

Cold thrashed it

[Akzle]

epic slipper clutch, weight forward.

[The Reibz]

By the way I walked away with only a small bruise on the elbow and a cut on my finger. Not to bad for 150kph

[unstuck]

Now all you experts can tell me what I did wrong

You didn't die in a fiery ball of hell, cunt. Waste of video.:nya:

[hayd3n]

what the front tyre pressure??
how warm was the tyre?

[The Reibz]

what the front tyre pressure??
how warm was the tyre?

42PSI. Had done a run no more than 5 mins prior which lead me to believe that the brake fluid may have boiled (expert advice needed). Tyre should have been warmish, its not worn either

[DrunkenMistake]

42PSI. Had done a run no more than 5 mins prior which lead me to believe that the brake fluid may have boiled (expert advice needed). Tyre should have been warmish, its not worn either



Holy fuck 42psi?

[mossy1200]

Did you have the front strapped down? Front end seems to jar a lot prior.

[hayd3n]

42 wtf??????????????

[mossy1200]

Holy fuck 42psi?

What? I put 45 in my front tire today. Goes faster:shit:

[DrunkenMistake]

What? I put 45 in my front tire today. Goes faster:shit:

I cant tell if you are serious or pulling on my supple titties ...

[The Reibz]

42PSI is what is stated in the busa manual. Recommended on quite a few busa websites for LSR racing. Should it be lower? Never had any problems with it before.
Front wasn't strapped. Bike at stock ride height

[mossy1200]

I cant tell if you are serious or pulling on my supple titties ...

And 50 in the back for the flying. I like MOOBS. Yours are plump?

[DrunkenMistake]

And 50 in the back for the flying. I like MOOBS. Yours are plump?



Just for you I can eat a few more cheese burgers tonight ;)



If the manual says 42 then run 42 I guess but I would lower it if you are doing any sort of track or drag event, means your tyres will heat up faster to start with, Can't say this was the cause of your accident though I am just an opinionated KB'er

[hayd3n]

next question what brand / model of tyre

[DrunkenMistake]

next question what brand / model of tyre


Shinko 10char

[skippa1]

You fell off bro......that was the mistake

[mossy1200]

next question what brand / model of tyre

I run 40 front and 42 rear on bridge s20 on the road.
Was running 42 front and 45 rear in flying quarter.
42 front and 27rear in standing. S20s destroy themselves on 250kg plus bikes at speed. They get too hot.

[The Reibz]

Metzler Z8's or however you spell it. Good grip, does good burnouts too

[mossy1200]

Shinko 10char

Shinko is the number one choice for drag racers. Now im not sure if your trying for my pink erect breast bits.

[DrunkenMistake]

I run 40 front and 42 rear on bridge s20 on the road.
Was running 42 front and 45 rear in flying quarter.
42 front and 27rear in standing. S20s destroy themselves on 250kg plus bikes at speed. They get too hot.

I run 38F and 42R for general daily riding and a lower them a smidge if im going for a short spirited ride,
I would run them a bit lower if I didnt use my bike for commuting but I found if they are a fraction lower I seem to chew the centres of the rear tyre out too fast,

Thats running on Pilot powers on the Twin

[nzspokes]

Well all I can tell from that video is that the front tucked, and you fell off. But I suspect you are already knew that.

By the way your oil light is on.

Why didnt the motor shut down when it went down? I thought all injected bikes had a tip over switch?

I see a bottom end job in this bikes future.

[jellywrestler]

Now all you experts can tell me what I did wrong you weren't wearing a high viz jacket

[Grashopper]

Glad to hear you're ok. How is the bike doing?

[unstuck]

you weren't wearing a high viz jacket

Nah, the fruit was waving at himself in the mirror.:shifty:

[The Reibz]

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Can anyone lend me a lower fairing? Churr

[DrunkenMistake]

Can anyone lend me a lower fairing? Churr

I see your problem,

Not enough chrome on that Busa and the swinger is too short..

http://i.imgur.com/ynzzmtt.jpg

[mossy1200]

I run 38F and 42R for general daily riding and a lower them a smidge if im going for a short spirited ride,
I would run them a bit lower if I didnt use my bike for commuting but I found if they are a fraction lower I seem to chew the centres of the rear tyre out too fast,

Thats running on Pilot powers on the Twin

Mines long wheel base and front heavy compared to most bikes. Its also claimed 270kg.
Over the last few years the tyre pressure recommendations seem to have risen. I used to run 30 front 32 rear.

I wonder if a brake piston has stuck on the busa. Would like to see the pads removed and some photos of them.
I had a stuck piston on my race bike that caused a disc to lean over and drag when hot. Destroyed the discs and low sided me in the Ss at Manfeild.

[mossy1200]

Can anyone lend me a lower fairing? Churr

Doesn't look as bad as I was expecting.
Jack the front off the ground and see what the drag is like on the front wheel.

[The Reibz]

Yeah I will give it look over the next few days. Its al plastic damage and some scrapes on the starter motor.
Could have been alot worse, for me and the bike...

[DrunkenMistake]

Yeah I will give it look over the next few days. Its al plastic damage and some scrapes on the starter motor.
Could have been alot worse, for me and the bike...


Hayd3n is the king of plastic repairs,

If you cant find new fairings or you decide to repair those and you jack something up with Hayd3n (if you decide too and he can help you I guess) Let me know and I can sort you out a sharp price to freight it down and back.

[The Reibz]

Hayd3n is the king of plastic repairs,

If you cant find new fairings or you decide to repair those and you jack something up with Hayd3n (if you decide too and he can help you I guess) Let me know and I can sort you out a sharp price to freight it down and back.

Yeah I will take some photos of it tomorrow. Its far gone in my opinion but im no expert

[300weatherby]

Under real braking the Busa will push the front, the line of force runs in front of the bike, not down-lockup is easily achieved if you don't set the front up correctly, on a tyre pressure that high, a fraction too much lever in one quick grab and you will lose it.

Be interesting to know what your spring rates,sags and compression up front are, add to that tyre pressure and rate of lever grab, somewhere in there is your answer.

[carburator]

Always got the apex at turn two wrong everytime at champion..

never liked the left lane at meremere on the bike or in the dragcar.
10.9 is respectable and a good top end terminal speed trap as well
its the reaction and 30 and 60' times that tell a lot.

prop's that you walked away like you did and the bike minor damage
( the walls are deadly ) at night during the nightwars on the bike its
freaky..

the runout area at meremere after the 1/4 is 400meters
given your terminal speed your going to use at least 350meters of that
trying to pull up! :buggerd:

[CHOPPA]

Very good chance the front tyre was cold, could have hit something slick. New Busa has ABS aye?

[cynna]

Time was a 11.104. Fastest I ran was a 10.9 at 137mph. Def need to work on my launch.

and your stopping....

pretty damn quick times tho. glad too see there wasn't too much damage to you or your bike

[mossy1200]

Time was a 11.104. Fastest I ran was a 10.9 at 137mph. Def need to work on my launch.

It must be in the first few meters. The 14s showing 145mph on the gps but running high 9s and low 10s. Not a lot of top end speed difference but a second on the track.

[roogazza]

Had a quick look, like choppa said cold tyre ? (and high pressure ?)
Shit yourself and yanked the front brake ????
Can see you launch slowly which shows doing 11 sec on a Busa.

ps I see you are 24, have you been riding long ?

[unstuck]

ps I see you are 24, have you been riding long ?

He,s ridden a lot of sheep, does that count? :msn-wink:

[The Reibz]

Had a quick look, like choppa said cold tyre ? (and high pressure ?)
Shit yourself and yanked the front brake ????
Can see you launch slowly which shows doing 11 sec on a Busa.

ps I see you are 24, have you been riding long ?

Been riding 7 years. Last accident was about 3 years ago when I was being a hooligan on my 250.
Brakes felt like they were fading so I did give it a bit more lever than I should of. Should have let them cool off properly before doing another run. Ah well its done now, time to fix up the plastics and get her back out there.

There is visible blueing on the right hand disk and it did look a bit warped. I will take a good look at it when I get home.

A little bit stiff this morning but I still managed to run the 3km's to work. I will get up some pics of the damage to the leathers tonight and a couple more of the bike

[roogazza]

There is visible blueing on the right hand disk and it did look a bit warped. I will take a good look at it when I get home.
A little bit stiff this morning but I still managed to run the 3km's to work. I will get up some pics of the damage to the leathers tonight and a couple more of the bike

Wouldn't have thought brakes would over heat drag racing? Unless the blueing is a pad down to the metal ??
Being a little stiff in the morning is a distant memory I'm afraid, make the most of it !!! lol.

[The Reibz]

Yeah im a bit suspect of the front right brake now, it felt like brake fade (GEN1 Busas are pretty notorious for it) but then all of a sudden it came straight on. I was giving it a bit of lever so im going to call it operator error hahaha. End of the track seemed to be comming up awfully fast and panic braked once the fade started.

Ah well time to start fixing her! Lucky im a hands on sort of guy. All it needs is the brake light replaced (got a spare one in the shed) and a bit of plastic welding to get it road legal again. Im gonna have a go at plastic welding, doesn't look awfully hard compared TIG or overhead stick :shit:

[F5 Dave]

What you did wrong?
Yeah you launched it just off idle (which is easy to write from the comparative safety of my keyboard).

But the crash? well clearly something was going on with the keyfob & that likely caused the imbalance pushing you off to the right. I think its probably safer to remove it.

[Thaeos]

You forgot to wave..

[quickbuck]

You grabbed a handful of brake with a high tyre pressure that was cold?
Brake fade wouldn't have resulted in a lock-up, it would be the opposite.

how old is the fluid? If Dot 4 then anything over 12 months and you will have enough water in it to boil when applying brakes hard in quick succession.
The water expands with heat and this can mean your leaver is in a different place so brakes will come on slightly earlier than you expect.... might have been what happened?

I would have taken a few pounds out of the tyres myself. 42psi is for a Busa that is on the road at 100km/hr.... Not down a drag strip...
You would actually want your tyre to be fatter (by being flatter) for the stopping part... There is no need for it to be of a good shape to turn the bike in on a strip.... and it's completely usless for the launch other than weight on the front...

Next time remember to get the springs compressed before applying heaps of pressure.

[JayRacer37]

There is visible blueing on the right hand disk and it did look a bit warped. I will take a good look at it when I get home.

A little bit stiff this morning but I still managed to run the 3km's to work. I will get up some pics of the damage to the leathers tonight and a couple more of the bike

Sounds like a warp or stuck piston to me. Over two stops (even from 140mph) in 5 minutes time, it shouldn't have any significant fade, no matter how crappy the fluid was, and for the one heat up I would suggest you riding back round to the front would have pumped the system back up. Perhaps the lever bite point grew with some temperature (which would be normal) and you grabbed it like the bite point was further down the stroke, as if the system was dead cold? Tyre temp would play a big part too as at that point after sitting it would be damn near dead cold and unresponsive.


You grabbed a handful of brake with a high tyre pressure that was cold?
Brake fade wouldn't have resulted in a lock-up, it would be the opposite.

how old is the fluid? If Dot 4 then anything over 12 months and you will have enough water in it to boil when applying brakes hard in quick succession.
The water expands with heat and this can mean your leaver is in a different place so brakes will come on slightly earlier than you expect.... might have been what happened?

I would have taken a few pounds out of the tyres myself. 42psi is for a Busa that is on the road at 100km/hr.... Not down a drag strip...
You would actually want your tyre to be fatter (by being flatter) for the stopping part... There is no need for it to be of a good shape to turn the bike in on a strip.... and it's completely usless for the launch other than weight on the front...

Next time remember to get the springs compressed before applying heaps of pressure.

Pretty much agree...no tyre flex, no time to warm, high pressure so narrow contact patch - all added up to a mess when a bit much brake was used. Although a disc bluing after just a few stops (remember you do 140mph to slow multiple times a lap on track so no excuses for fade over one stop per 5 mins...) seems a bit sinister, like something else is going on creating heat...

[The Reibz]

Had a quick look over the brakes, left one looks fine but there is still a bit of bluing on the right rotor. Will get it up on a jack over the next couple of days and give it a spin to see if its straight or not. Can't say I noticed anything out of the ordinary with it on the way home.

looks like there are going to be a few late nights in the shed ahead of me.

Thanks for the informative posts Jay and Quickbuck. You both obviously know a shitload more about these things than I do.

[Mom]

By the way I walked away with only a small bruise on the elbow and a cut on my finger. Not to bad for 150kph

I thought speed kills?

[F5 Dave]

Nah it's the sudden stop. So lack of speed kills.:confused:

[roogazza]

I thought speed kills?

I'm more jealously concerned with his morning stiffness , Mom ! :confused: :innocent:

[SWERVE]

If one of your discs is blue then that would in turn heat up the fluid causing fade...... maybe you pulled a bit harder to compensate and the other disc suddenly took effect. A thorough strip down of the system is what I would advise..IMHO
And try launching around the 7/8 grand mark and using the clutch...... should results in low 10.s

[mossy1200]

If one of your discs is blue then that would in turn heat up the fluid causing fade...... maybe you pulled a bit harder to compensate and the other disc suddenly took effect. A thorough strip down of the system is what I would advise..IMHO
And try launching around the 7/8 grand mark and using the clutch...... should results in low 10.s

I had a look at my weekend runs on the footage and was leaving the line and not dropping under 7k. Managed to get into the 9s just.

[scumdog]

Sounds like a warp or stuck piston to me. Over two stops (even from 140mph) in 5 minutes time, it shouldn't have any significant fade, no matter how crappy the fluid was, and for the one heat up I would suggest you riding back round to the front would have pumped the system back up. .

My thoughts too - the time between the runs would have allowed the brakes to cool significantly.

[300weatherby]

On the subject of brake fade on a Gen1 Busa, I have managed 44's around Ruapuna on mine (just for shits and giggles) and it was good for about 4 laps before brakes were totally gone and I went motorcrossing- the occasional hard stop won't give you fade, that will only come with multiple hard stops in short order. (had braided lines not the OEM lines)

Just the once, wouldn't do it again, too f#^&king hard work and murders perfectly good road tyres, My race bikes are much more obliging (and a damn sight faster!)

[Brett]

42PSI. Had done a run no more than 5 mins prior which lead me to believe that the brake fluid may have boiled (expert advice needed). Tyre should have been warmish, its not worn either

42 psi is about 10 psi higher than I would have had it...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stop making excuses you raving homo. You launched it like a fucking poofta...changed gear like one...then took it fair and square in the fucking ass come braking time. Own it. Fag. :bleh:

[SWERVE]

I had a look at my weekend runs on the footage and was leaving the line and not dropping under 7k. Managed to get into the 9s just.

Was going to suggest launching @ 10000............ but didn't want the next vid to be track / sky / track and another ooops. Ran 10.4s on my old GSXR 1100M back in the day. A good drag racer should be able to get a pretty stock Busa or ZX12 into the high 9s.

[SWERVE]

On the subject of brake fade on a Gen1 Busa, I have managed 44's around Ruapuna on mine (just for shits and giggles) and it was good for about 4 laps before brakes were totally gone and I went motorcrossing- the occasional hard stop won't give you fade, that will only come with multiple hard stops in short order. (had braided lines not the OEM lines)

Just the once, wouldn't do it again, too f#^&king hard work and murders perfectly good road tyres, My race bikes are much more obliging (and a damn sight faster!)
But you go motocrossing with good brakes...........................:killingme
Sorry ....... just couldn't resist that one:lol:

[scott411]

Stop making excuses you raving homo. You launched it like a fucking poofta...changed gear like one...then took it fair and square in the fucking ass come braking time. Own it. Fag. :bleh:

this is just pure poetry

[The Reibz]

Stop making excuses you raving homo. You launched it like a fucking poofta...changed gear like one...then took it fair and square in the fucking ass come braking time. Own it. Fag. :bleh:

Finally...



Was going to suggest launching @ 10000............ but didn't want the next vid to be track / sky / track and another ooops
Nah mate, tried launching at 8k earlier in the day and didn't like it when the wheel came up and the bike started drift towards the wall slightly causing a brown stain in the back of the pants. Hence why I took it easy for the rest of the day, wouldn't want to crash the bike or anything, oh wait....

[300weatherby]

But you go motocrossing with good brakes...........................:killingme
Sorry ....... just couldn't resist that one:lol:

Cheeky sod!, no idea what you are talking about, I have been known on occasion to have a close inspection of the grass/dirt/sky in order to check on the groundskeepers work.........:whistle:

[ktm84mxc]

That's a bit hash Crasher he's only a Dorklander we all know they can't ride as they spend all their time on the great parking lot that is Auks motorway system , you should have been on here telling him he needs a new Bussa and you'll have a deal of a life time for him.

[scott411]

That's a bit hash Crasher he's only a Dorklander we all know they can't ride as they spend all their time on the great parking lot that is Auks motorway system , you should have been on here telling him he needs a new Bussa and you'll have a deal of a life time for him.

your wrong, No ZX14's suddenly locked a front and went down, he definitely needs one of them, ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's a bit hash Crasher he's only a Dorklander we all know they can't ride as they spend all their time on the great parking lot that is Auks motorway system , you should have been on here telling him he needs a new Bussa and you'll have a deal of a life time for him.

He should consider himself lucky I spent the time helping him with my advice.


your wrong, No ZX14's suddenly locked a front and went down, he definitely needs one of them, ;)

No. Think he needs a GW250. The big boys seem a bit much for the poor fellow.

[The Reibz]

your wrong, No ZX14's suddenly locked a front and went down, he definitely needs one of them, ;)

Surprised no one tried to sell me one the moment I came back on the trailer. I believe Tony Grays gold busa was quicker than quite a few of the ZX14's anyway. That thing with the extended swinger and the straight through pipes was nuts though, forgot the name.

[Devil]

how old is the fluid? If Dot 4 then anything over 12 months and you will have enough water in it to boil when applying brakes hard in quick succession.
The water expands with heat and this can mean your leaver is in a different place so brakes will come on slightly earlier than you expect.... might have been what happened?

I was going to suggest a similar thing. During rapid heat up under heaving braking any moisture in there would effectively explode into steam locking the brake.
Tyre pressure just didn't help.

[vinducati]

The problem you have is that you are on a Hayabusa, which is less a motorcycle and more a spa pool with two wheels and a seat.
But glad you are OK, never good to have a tumble.
At least it didn't land on you.