A call to ban the sale of fireworks

[Katman]

http://www.change.org/petitions/new-zealand-government-ban-sales-of-fireworks-and-allow-public-display-only

[Hitcher]

That should go off with a bang. Sky rockets in flight. Afternoon delight.

[Zedder]

Could be a fizzer though.

[sketch]

pfft more bubble wrapping of the masses,

bring back tom thumbs!!!!!!!!!!!
and those huge stacked packs of moon travelers

[Laava]

Thunder bungers!

[husaberg]

The plot thickens.............

[Maha]

Will strike me down with a Catherine wheel, this will hardly ignite credible debate.

[husaberg]

I wonder if someone in parliament will defuse the situation..........

[Big Dave]

Won't somebody think of the Children!

[Zedder]

The plot thickens.............

C'mon guy it's not that bad.

[Zedder]

Will strike me down with a Catherine wheel, this will hardly ignite credible debate.

This is KB, it'll get blown up out of all proportion.

[Zedder]

I wonder if someone in parliament will defuse the situation..........

For fawkes sake, they wouldn't have a clue.

[husaberg]

For fawkes sake, they wouldn't have a clue.

its bound to strike a cord with the political activists

[unstuck]

Good.:niceone:

[ellipsis]

Good.:niceone:

...i'm wif him...

[husaberg]

powder to the people.........

[swbarnett]

The Swiss have fireworks for their national day. When I was there the local supermarket sold sky rockets with sticks measuring about 2m long. The propellant was a barrel about 5cm in diameter and twice as long. On top of that was the payload - about 10cm in diameter and just as long.

Even with this freely available they didn't seem to have any problems with their abuse.

The abuse of fireworks is just a symptom of a wider problem. Banning them will only mask the problem and make it less likely that it will be solved.

[unstuck]

The Swiss have fireworks for their national day. When I was there the local supermarket sold sky rockets with sticks measuring about 2m long. The propellant was a barrel about 5cm in diameter and twice as long. On top of that was the payload - about 10cm in diameter and just as long.

Even with this freely available they didn't seem to have any problems with their abuse.

The abuse of fireworks is just a symptom of a wider problem. Banning them will only mask the problem and make it less likely that it will be solved.

Agreed, we need some way of banning idiots. Then we could get a whole swag of stupidity sorted in one go.:niceone:

[husaberg]

Stop adding intelligent debate to the thread, personally, I blame the Americans they have been banging on about a fireworks ban since July.
Probably something to do with their war on terrorism.. i reckon its likely all smoke and mirrors and it will blow over by Thursday.

The poms tried to banish idiots, only problem was they are now much better at cricket and rugby than them.

[Zedder]

its bound to strike a cord with the political activists

A slanging match will probably ensue.

[Zedder]

powder to the people.........

Yeah, the Government should be fired.

[Zedder]

Stop adding intelligent debate to the thread, personally, I blame the Americans they have been banging on about a fireworks ban since July.
Probably something to do with their war on terrorism.. i reckon its likely all smoke and mirrors and it will blow over by Thursday.

The poms tried to banish idiots, only problem was they are now much better at cricket and rugby than them.

Yep, just a flash in the pan.

[husaberg]

I am with Katy Perry on this.

'Cause baby, you're a firework
Come on, show 'em what you're worth
Make 'em go, oh
As you shoot across the sky

Baby, you're a firework
Come on, let your colors burst
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[Bikemad]

Yeah, the Government should be fryed.

fixed for ya....

[husaberg]

Yeah, the Government should be fired.

A cracker of an idea

[husaberg]

Yep, just a flash in the pan.

Thunderous applause for the sparkling repartee.... our jousting has soared to great heights....

[Berries]

New Zealand fireworks are shit and should be banned for that reason. Give me a pocket full of German air bomb repeaters and a bus shelter and I'll show you what fireworks can do.

[mashman]

Cool. Something else for the black market to make... should get some crackers.

[husaberg]

New Zealand fireworks are shit and should be banned for that reason. Give me a pocket full of German air bomb repeaters and a bus shelter and I'll show you what fireworks can do.

I blame immigration its the bloody Asians causing all this everyone know what they think about cats.


Cool. Something else for the black market to make... should get some crackers.

would it be called black powder and sold by black power.............

[Str8 Jacket]

Done and signed. I am all for freedom of speech/ use of fireworks but too many cunts ruin it for the rest.

[Zedder]

Thunderous applause for the sparkling repartee.... our jousting has soared to great heights....

Bang on there.

[Zedder]

Done and signed. I am all for freedom of speech/ use of fireworks but too many cunts ruin it for the rest.

Very true unfortunately.

[husaberg]

Wise... and profound, you crack me up.

[husaberg]

Done and signed. I am all for freedom of speech/ use of fireworks but too many cunts ruin it for the rest.

You seemed all fired up about this...has Koba blown up the kitty.

[Str8 Jacket]

You seemed all fired up about this...has Koba blown up the kitty.

In your end, oh.

[husaberg]

Oh well I can't pull the wool over your eyes Straight jacket........You..... you light up his life.....
He mentioned one would have to get up pretty early in the morning in order to get one up over you.....

[Zedder]

A cracker of an idea

Missed that one, I couldn't C4 all the others.

[Zedder]

I blame immigration its the bloody Asians causing all this everyone know what they think about cats.



would it be called black powder and sold by black power.............

You could get flamed for that.

[husaberg]

You could get flamed for that.

i will be going down in a blaze of glory.........

[husaberg]

Missed that one, I couldn't C4 all the others.
brilliant display of inflammatory prose i didn't of course expect, to cop so much flak from you......

[unstuck]

You guys are dynamite.:devil2:

[Zedder]

brilliant display of inflammatory prose i didn't of course expect, to cop so much flak from you......

I try to keep it light.

[Thaeos]

2000 more signatures needed, for what? To be laughed at?

[Zedder]

You guys are dynamite.:devil2:

Thanks, we seem to have a flare for it.

[unstuck]

Thanks, we seem to have a flare for it.

No one could hold a roman candle to you fellas.:msn-wink:

[Madness]

Seeing as we can't ban idiots or hopeless parents I signed it. The whole thing turned to shit years ago anyhoo. Ban it now & we won't miss it in 2-3 years, just like smoking indoors.

[Maha]

You guys are dynamite.:devil2:

That guy is a fake!

[husaberg]

I try to keep it light.

i am gun shy, tis cause i have been burnt before...
there is a lot a stake over this..........

Right now serious stuff.
let me say this.

I looked on the fireworks Box.
It says not for sale to under 18's
So in order to protect the kitties from trauma, people say it should be banned for sale.
But You can have sex at 16.........So i ask, What will they be banging on about banning next...........

[Woodman]

I have a box of doublehappys in the shed. Are they still legal?

[Zedder]

No one could hold a roman candle to you fellas.:msn-wink:

'snuff of that.

[husaberg]

No one could hold a roman candle to you fellas.:msn-wink:

Nero got me then........

[Zedder]

i am gun shy, tis cause i have been burnt before...
there is a lot a stake over this..........

Right now serious stuff.
let me say this.

I looked on the fireworks Box.
It says not for sale to under 18's
So in order to protect the kitties from trauma, people say it should be banned for sale.
But You can have sex at 16.........So i ask, What will they be banging on about banning next...........

Shell we wait and see?

[husaberg]

Seeing as we can't ban idiots or hopeless parents I signed it. The whole thing turned to shit years ago anyhoo. Ban it now & we won't miss it in 2-3 years, just like smoking indoors.


Shell we wait and see?isn't that making light of the situation
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[Zedder]

isn't that making light of the situation

You just had to put that out didn't you?

[husaberg]

He was just b̶a̶s̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ basting in the orange glow of your latest barrage...........

[Berries]

Isn't it somewhat ironic that a government, of whatever country, would prohibit the sale of fireworks?


I think they have tried it before a couple of time. How many times do people need telling to never go back?

[mashman]

Isn't it somewhat ironic that a government, of whatever country, would prohibit the sale of fireworks?

Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of the everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration - whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday - I thought we could mark this November the fifth, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.
There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now orders are being shouted into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?
Cruelty and injustice...intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance, coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, truth be told...if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.
I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War. Terror. Disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor Adam Sutler. He promised you order. He promised you peace. And all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.
Last night, I sought to end that silence. Last night, I destroyed the Old Bailey to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago, a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice and freedom are more than words - they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek...then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament. And together, we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever, be forgot!

[husaberg]

nice but I preferred her in Black swan.
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[Robbo]

This is becoming a very explosive issue. :mad:

[husaberg]

volatile cocktail of latent issues simmering below the surface, but on the horizon there is a glimmer of hope. All we need is someone with flair

[Akzle]

Thunder bungers!

thats either related to a good curry, or something you did with your wife on honeymoon....

Just as well potassium nitrate and diesel are still readily available eh....

[Laava]

I had a dodgy prawn korma a couple of weeks ago. Thought I was dying at 2 am. Very explosive and colourful.

[Paul in NZ]

Given the amount of distressing carnage we see every year. Young lives ruined, havoc and mayhem to wild life etc I'd suggest banning dogs and cats to be a vastly more sensible way of handling the situation...

[Katman]

Given the amount of distressing carnage we see every year. Young lives ruined, havoc and mayhem to wild life etc I'd suggest banning dogs and cats to be a vastly more sensible way of handling the situation...

Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.

[nzspokes]

Given the amount of distressing carnage we see every year. Young lives ruined, havoc and mayhem to wild life etc I'd suggest banning dogs and cats to be a vastly more sensible way of handling the situation...

Agreed. Nobody should have pets.

[Paul in NZ]

Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.

Fun.... We don't have kids at home any more so we don't do fireworks anymore but always enjoyed it when they were young uns. Get together with family for a laugh and a few fireworks.

Its just at the wrong time of year - should be in the middle of winter....

[Katman]

Fun.... We don't have kids at home any more so we don't do fireworks anymore but always enjoyed it when they were young uns. Get together with family for a laugh and a few fireworks.

Its just at the wrong time of year - should be in the middle of winter....

Parents and kids could have just as much fun going along to a public fireworks display without any of the negative impact of letting off fireworks in their neighborhood.

[SMOKEU]

Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.

Moar lulz. That's a good enough reason.

[Paul in NZ]

Parents and kids could have just as much fun going along to a public fireworks display without any of the negative impact of letting off fireworks in their neighborhood.

Sweet - I guees we don't need motorcycles either? Much better if we went to see a professional display of motorcycling, just as much fun...

Look I get your point but ... oh never mind...

[Katman]

Sweet - I guees we don't need motorcycles either? Much better if we went to see a professional display of motorcycling, just as much fun...

Look I get your point but ... oh never mind...

Hey, if you want to campaign for more responsible backyard use of fireworks in order to stop them being banned go for your life.

[Banditbandit]

Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.

Keeps Parliament in check - as Guy Fawkes and his friends were trying on ...

[Katman]

Keeps Parliament in check - as Guy Fawkes and his friends were trying on ...

Actually, they were trying to assassinate a protestant King in order to replace him with a Catholic monarch.

Not really anything to do with Parliament.

[Banditbandit]

Actually, they were trying to assassinate a protestant King in order to replace him with a Catholic monarch.

Not really anything to do with Parliament.

Trust you to spoil witty repartee with serious shit ...

(and like I didn't know that ..)

[Katman]

(and like I didn't know that ..)

You may well know that.....

The majority on here wouldn't have a fucking clue what Guy Fawkes 'celebrations' are actually celebrating though.

(And you need some work on your "witty repartee".)

[husaberg]

Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.

Ever wondered how a lot of NZ farm land was cleared of stumps, and how the drains were formed in a lot of the Swamps.holes dug in rocks for posts etc.
Our local polytechnic runs a very popular explosive course.
I said to a lady who does the course administration i would like to do it but i don't actually need it for my work anymore or anything.I just think it sounds like fun.
She said don't worry nearly all the people go on course say the the same "they want to learn how to blow shit up cause, its fun"

[Zedder]

Parents and kids could have just as much fun going along to a public fireworks display without any of the negative impact of letting off fireworks in their neighborhood.

Parents and kids being more responsible in supervision and safety would probably go a long way but as Str8 Jacket put it, "...too many cunts ruin it for the rest".

[ellipsis]

Agreed, we need some way of banning idiots. Then we could get a whole swag of stupidity sorted in one go.:niceone:

..."The Surest Sign that Intelligent Life Exists
Elsewhere In The Universe
Is The Fact That It Has Never Tried To Contact Us".....

[Katman]

Ever wondered how a lot of NZ farm land was cleared of stumps, and how the drains were formed in a lot of the Swamps.holes dug in rocks for posts etc.


Doesn't really equate to urban backyard fireworks though, does it?

[husaberg]

Doesn't really equate to urban backyard fireworks though, does it?

But it does succinctly answer your question though.........


Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.

[Stirts]

Very explosive and colourful.

Tub Girl!!

[Stirts]

Name me one positive aspect of placing explosives in the hands of the general public Paul.


Moar lulz. That's a good enough reason.

Nothing is funnier than watching the dumb...

http://thinknice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Funny-Animated-GIF-Exploding-Fireworks.gif

from afar of course :msn-wink:

[imdying]

This, like most things in the world, could be fixed by executing no less than two thirds of the worlds population. Fireworks are not the problem, they cannot light themselves.

If they ban fireworks, then I'll do my damndest to ensure that motorcycles are either banned, or heavily legislated against (i.e. race tracks only or similar, $2000 a year rego, compulsory full face and leathers year round, 2 years on a 125 for a learner, that sort of thing). You can't make a futile effort to clean out one bunch of idiots without making everybody suffer equally, it's only fair.

[Paul in NZ]

Look – I’m pretty well over this. I really don’t care much either way but I think this is a bloody shame.

Lifes little pleasures get eroded all the time and the ‘you can’t do that’ brigade win every time. You know I’m sorry some peoples animals get spooked but you know I’ve had dogs and cats and it never a big deal to have them inside. Neither of the dogs were ever that stressed by it all. Yet the people that whine about it have no issue letting their fucking cats kill endless native birds or their dogs crap all over my lawn and rush at other people. Fuck it – live and let live. The problem is inconsiderate arses and you cannot legislate that out… Damned if I think you should even try.

You know – its fun letting off a few fireworks with the kids and its an opportunity to teach them respect for the neighbours and basic fire safety. Most kids don’t get to learn how to make up a safe campfire or anything these days…

[Katman]

Dry your eyes Paul.

There's plenty of fun you can have with your kids that doesn't involve creating a nuisance for the neighborhood.

[SMOKEU]

Animal owners also need to take responsibility by ensuring that their animals have adequate shelter to mitigate the effects of the fireworks. We gave my dog some diazepam last night (lucky dog, I want some too!), and that really helped a lot as he gets very scared from the fireworks, but interestingly enough he doesn't really mind the sound of a 12ga shotgun.

[SMOKEU]

Dry your eyes Paul.

There's plenty of fun you can have with your kids that doesn't involve creating a nuisance for the neighborhood.

We should ban everyone from riding motorcycles too, as that could also create a nuisance in the neighbourhood.

[EJK]

Holy crap I should start signing a petition to ban KiwiBiker because I fear of it's compromising threat to intellect responsibility!

[Katman]

We should ban everyone from riding motorcycles too, as that could also create a nuisance in the neighbourhood.

Well, I've been warning of something similar for a while now.

[imdying]

There's plenty of fun you can have with your kids that doesn't involve creating a nuisance for the neighborhood.Odd... I'm not that old, and when I grew up they were a neighbourhood event.... from the school across the back fence that ran a Guy Fawkes evening, complete with bonfire and display, to the letting of them at BBQs with the neighbours and their families.

I'm sick of this lowest common denominator bullshit. Your logic is a good reason to get rid of motorcycles, booze, churches, and cyclists.

[SMOKEU]

So what the fuck happened to taking some personal responsibility for your actions? I was always brought up to take responsibility for my own actions, and to man up and admit a fuck up if I make one, rather than blame everything on society allowing the sale of fireworks/alcohol etc.

[Stirts]

I'm sick of this lowest common denominator bullshit. Your logic is a good reason to get rid of motorcycles, booze, churches, and cyclists.

I like the churches bit, solves the "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff", after all God must love stupid people, he created them all.

[Katman]

So what the fuck happened to taking some personal responsibility for your actions? I was always brought up to take responsibility for my own actions, and to man up and admit a fuck up if I make one, rather than blame everything on society allowing the sale of fireworks/alcohol etc.

Hey, if fucking little shitheads (and the retarded parents that spawned them) won't take personal responsibility for their actions then they can hardly complain if society instead solves the problem by banning it.

[SMOKEU]

Hey, if fucking little shitheads (and the retarded parents that spawned them) won't take personal responsibility for their actions then they can hardly complain if society instead solves the problem by banning it.

Then why not hold those individual trouble makers responsible, rather than punishing the majority for the actions of a minority? It seems to be exactly the same concept as liquor ban areas.

[Banditbandit]

You may well know that.....

The majority on here wouldn't have a fucking clue what Guy Fawkes 'celebrations' are actually celebrating though.

(And you need some work on your "witty repartee".)

No-one "celebrates" Guy Fawkes Day at my house - we have a memorial service for a fine man who attempted to blow up the ruling classes - fine intentions ...

(And I'm not gay so I don't have to work on Whiti Repati at all ...)

[Banditbandit]

Hey, if fucking little shitheads (and the retarded parents that spawned them) won't take personal responsibility for their actions then they can hardly complain if society instead solves the problem by banning them.

There .. fixed it for you

[husaberg]

I thought the Katman was already fixed.
He just wants to be able to go out on Guy Fawkes and not see the banging, cause it upsets him.

[swbarnett]

Hey, if fucking little shitheads (and the retarded parents that spawned them) won't take personal responsibility for their actions then they can hardly complain if society instead solves the problem by banning it.
Yes, but the rest of us can. Besides, the problem is hardly solved. Far from it. All you've done is mask it so that it crops up later with even greater consequences.

[Katman]

Yes, but the rest of us can. Besides, the problem is hardly solved. Far from it. All you've done is mask it so that it crops up later with even greater consequences.

In the meantime we'll have gotten rid of backyard fireworks though.

That's progress in itself.

[swbarnett]

In the meantime we'll have gotten rid of backyard fireworks though.

That's progress in itself.
Hardly progress. The fireworks are not the problem. If you get rid of them the little shits of which you speak will find some other mischief to get up to.


And, meanwhile, the rest of us will have had yet another freedom removed. Can anyone say "boiling frog"?

[Katman]

No-one "celebrates" Guy Fawkes Day at my house - we have a memorial service for a fine man who attempted to blow up the ruling classes - fine intentions ...


(Perhaps you're just deliberately trying to be dense)....

They weren't attempting to "blow up the ruling classes" they were attempting to blow up one person and replace him with another member of the "ruling classes".

[Swoop]

Make the sale ONLY permissible from R-18 Adult shops AND only in the mid-winter (Winter solstice celebrations perhaps?).
Solves both issues. Little fire risk and less people will be brave enough to walk past the Giga-dong with vibrating options display.

Then again, sex toy sales might skyrocket!

[Stirts]

Make the sale ONLY permissible from R-18 Adult shops AND only in the mid-winter (Winter solstice celebrations perhaps?).
Solves both issues. Little fire risk and less people will be brave enough to walk past the Giga-dong with vibrating options display.

Then again, sex toy sales might skyrocket!

A Double Happy Vibrator :wings:

Did a google search - seems someone's already done it...

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[swbarnett]

A bit of clarity.

The Gunpowder Plot of 1605:

"The plan was to blow up the House of Lords during the State Opening of England's Parliament on 5 November 1605, as the prelude to a popular revolt in the Midlands during which James's nine-year-old daughter, Princess Elizabeth, was to be installed as the Catholic head of state."

So, yes, it was an attempt to blow up parliament but had nothing to do with eliminating the "ruling classes".

[Banditbandit]

(Perhaps you're just deliberately trying to be dense)....

They weren't attempting to "blow up the ruling classes" they were attempting to blow up one person and replace him with another member of the "ruling classes".

In the prossess of blowing up one person they would have blown up the members of parliament as well ...

I like to look at the big picture ..

And haven't all revolutions removed one member of the ruling elite and rerplaced them with another ??? Isn't that why they have failed and why anarchists think those revolutionaries are just full of shit ???

And fuck - you're so fucking serious .. lighten up .. or is that light up ...

SIng with me now - to the The Pink Panther tune

Pedant Pedant Pedant Pedant Pedant ...

[Katman]

A bit of clarity.

The Gunpowder Plot of 1605:

"The plan was to blow up the House of Lords during the State Opening of England's Parliament on 5 November 1605, as the prelude to a popular revolt in the Midlands during which James's nine-year-old daughter, Princess Elizabeth, was to be installed as the Catholic head of state."

So, yes, it was an attempt to blow up parliament but had nothing to do with eliminating the "ruling classes".

I suppose it depends which history book you read.

The Gunpowder Plot of 1605, in earlier centuries often called the Gunpowder Treason Plot or the Jesuit Treason, was a failed assassination attempt against King James I of England and VI of Scotland by a group of provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby.

[ellipsis]

I suppose it depends which history book you read.

The Gunpowder Plot of 1605, in earlier centuries often called the Gunpowder Treason Plot or the Jesuit Treason, was a failed assassination attempt against King James I of England and VI of Scotland by a group of provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby.

...and was about as successful as our attempts as 15/16 year olds to assault the Lyttelton Police Station with badly aimed skyrockets which was supposed to make the occupants run out of the station and into our four baked bean tins stuffed full of tuppenny bangers that were going to all go bang at the same time and blow them to pieces...didn't go to plan at all and like the little fuckwits we were, hanging around watching was probably the wrong thing to do...we were not hung or burned at the stake but our arses were bruised by size ten bobby boots...

[Zedder]

...and was about as successful as our attempts as 15/16 year olds to assault the Lyttelton Police Station with badly aimed skyrockets which was supposed to make the occupants run out of the station and into our four baked bean tins stuffed full of tuppenny bangers that were going to all go bang at the same time and blow them to pieces...didn't go to plan at all and like the little fuckwits we were, hanging around watching was probably the wrong thing to do...we were not hung or burned at the stake but our arses were bruised by size ten bobby boots...

Now that made this thread worthwhile for me.

[swbarnett]

I suppose it depends which history book you read.

The Gunpowder Plot of 1605, in earlier centuries often called the Gunpowder Treason Plot or the Jesuit Treason, was a failed assassination attempt against King James I of England and VI of Scotland by a group of provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby.
Indeed. He may have been the target but in order to achieve this they intended to blow up the house of lords.

[Bender]

...and was about as successful as our attempts as 15/16 year olds to assault the Lyttelton Police Station with badly aimed skyrockets which was supposed to make the occupants run out of the station and into our four baked bean tins stuffed full of tuppenny bangers that were going to all go bang at the same time and blow them to pieces...didn't go to plan at all and like the little fuckwits we were, hanging around watching was probably the wrong thing to do...we were not hung or burned at the stake but our arses were bruised by size ten bobby boots...


Post of the year!:clap::clap: :niceone::laugh:

[Flip]

Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!

[Fatjim]

Hey, if fucking little shitheads (and the retarded parents that spawned them) won't take personal responsibility for their actions then they can hardly complain if morons instead solve the problem by banning it.

Corrected it for ya.

[caspernz]

Fireworks enable folks to audition for their Darwin award me thinks...:lol:

But yeah, free choice and all, maybe fireworks should be restricted to professional public displays? Like Whakatane in 2009 maybe...:brick:

[swbarnett]

Like Whakatane in 2009 maybe...:brick:
For those of us not in the know would you like to elaborate?

[rustyrobot]

For those of us not in the know would you like to elaborate?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjdtWC9kjRE

[Berries]

I can confirm that in the party capital that is Queenstown Guy Fawkes night last was shit. I didn't hear one siren all night, and this is the night the fire service look forward to all year, whatever they say on TV the night before.

As I said earlier, you might as well ban it because it is irrelevant in NZ. And shit. It is a UK day and best experienced when the nights are drawing in and you can stand around a big fuck off bonfire to keep warm with your pockets full of fireworks. Never even saw a bonfire yesterday, the council won't let you light one. Fuckers. Burn them.

Or better still, fill a milk bottle, a glass one, with the innards of half a dozen Standard bangers. Point a rocket in to the bottle, snapping the stick so it sits in the mouth of the bottle, light it and stand back. Or throw it for a bit of Russian Roulette.

What, no rockets? Talk about half arsed. Either do it properly or don't bother.


EDIT. Whakatane looked cool though. Where is that?

[Road kill]

As much a part of NZ society as jesus,the easter bunny,santa claus and the tooth fairy.

Then there's always Hallowen just in case we needed something even more meaningfull to the average Kiwi.

Ban the fucking lot and replace them with something that means something more than a long weekend from Kiwi culture.

Damn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sorry about that.:laugh:

[SMOKEU]

Ban the fucking lot and replace them with something that means something more than a long weekend from Kiwi culture.


Like a J day every month? :doobey:

[rustyrobot]

As much a part of NZ society as jesus,the easter bunny,santa claus and the tooth fairy.

Then there's always Hallowen just in case we needed something even more meaningfull to the average Kiwi.

Ban the fucking lot and replace them with something that means something more than a long weekend from Kiwi culture.


Which average Kiwi? Leaving aside Jebus - Easter, Christmas, losing teeth (+getting money) and dressing up for Trick or Treating hold heaps of great childhood memories for me. Sure they might not mean anything to thee olde tyme folkes, but they can always put on the wireless and play rationing sugar or something.

As an adult I have plenty of fond memories associated with those long weekends too. I don't really have any desire for more nationalistic days of somber ponderance.

[Road kill]

Like a J day every month? :doobey:

Make it once a week an we're getting closer.:laugh:

[Road kill]

Which average Kiwi? Leaving aside Jebus - Easter, Christmas, losing teeth (+getting money) and dressing up for Trick or Treating hold heaps of great childhood memories for me. Sure they might not mean anything to thee olde tyme folkes, but they can always put on the wireless and play rationing sugar or something.

As an adult I have plenty of fond memories associated with those long weekends too. I don't really have any desire for more nationalistic days of somber ponderance.

Tell me where the tooth fairy comes from.
Tell me about Xmas or easter,,,not your fucking holidays or the money you were given as a demanding little shit that wanted what he hadn't earnt,the real reasons and how you really honored them,,,and I might believe you.

Not gonna happen is it ?

And 30 minites to look it up on google doesn't count.

So you still lose.

[Berries]

Tell me where the tooth fairy comes from.
Tell me about Xmas or easter,,,not your fucking holidays or the money you were given as a demanding little shit that wanted what he hadn't earnt,the real reasons and how you really honored them,,,and I might believe you.

Not gonna happen is it ?

And 30 minites to look it up on google doesn't count.

So you still lose.
I bet your kids don't believe in Santa.

[rustyrobot]

Tell me where the tooth fairy comes from.
Tell me about Xmas or easter,,,not your fucking holidays or the money you were given as a demanding little shit that wanted what he hadn't earnt,the real reasons and how you really honored them,,,and I might believe you.

Not gonna happen is it ?

And 30 minites to look it up on google doesn't count.

So you still lose.

Lose what? The 'who is the grumpiest meanest old git competition'?

What does/did Christmas mean? It meant that my parents didn't have to work so they get to spend the day at home with us, we see our extended family, have a big meal together, often go to the beach, yes we played with our new toys, met our friends in the street and ran around shooting each other with imaginary guns or made ramps for our bikes. It meant Star Wars or Indiana Jones on the TV and no adverts, it meant staying up late, it meant summer weather and strawberries.

Why are you so caught up in it having to have some old meaning - ALL those meanings were just made up by people at some point anyway. Rituals exist now, why not celebrate those?

My kids don't believe in Santa Claus, they don't believe in the tooth fairy, but they know about our family rituals. We don't see our children as "Demanding little shits who want what they haven't earned" - we see them as little people to nurture and treasure, who haven't gotten all bitter and cynical like you. We want to celebrate them, celebrate these few years of naivety about the harsh reality of the world. Help them when it hurts, let the revel in it when it's fun.

What does it mean to 'really honour' something? Worship? Flagellation? Is that what you learned in school? Church?

I know about the pre-christian origins of most of our festivals. They are aligned for Northern Hemisphere seasons, they are for people living closely with the land. I live in a city, I am supported by a network of other humans working hard in their jobs, and providing services for one another. The dynamics have changed. Let's celebrate holidays.

[Banditbandit]

Tell me where the tooth fairy comes from.
Tell me about Xmas or easter,,,not your fucking holidays or the money you were given as a demanding little shit that wanted what he hadn't earnt,the real reasons and how you really honored them,,,and I might believe you.

Not gonna happen is it ?

And 30 minites to look it up on google doesn't count.

So you still lose.



Gee I'll bet your kids really enjoy (or will really enjoy) having a father like you .... :facepalm:

[Paul in NZ]

Well this debates gone to crap - should probably ban them....

End of the day - we had a few small fireworks in our back yard. We had the grandkids staying and the look on the 2 year olds face said it all. He was absolutely entranced and it was jolly good fun - lasted 15 mins or so and was conducted in a safe fashion.

We had their very excitable boxer (dog) with us and as he likes me a whole bunch, my job was keeping him calm and as long as he was with me he was as good as gold. In fact he was a lot happier when he could see what was going on that being stuck inside... (yeah I thought it was peculiar but he is a boxer)