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Rcktfsh
12th November 2013, 19:32
Supplementary regs went up on MNZ website today confirming Post Classic GP titles at NZSBK rnd 1 at Ruapuna. Might pay to book ferry tickets now if your from the north and going down as Interislander have suspended bookings until they sort the Aratere's propeller problem out. Booked on Bluebridge tonight but only limited spaces left. Programme as follows

Saturday:
Practice/Qualifying
Support Class 1 x 10 minutes (Round One = 2 support classes)
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only 2 x 10 minutes (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production 2 x 10 minutes
Pro Twins 2 x 10 minutes
Sidecars 2 x 10 minutes
Superlite/125 GP 2 x 10 minutes
Supersport 1 x 20 minute practice & 1 x 20 minute practice/qualifying
Superbike 1 x 20 minute practice & 1 x 20 minute practice/qualifying
Racing (after lunch break)
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only Race = 8 laps (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production Race = 8 laps
Supersport Race = 10 laps
Pro Twins Race = 8 laps
Superbike Race = 10 laps
Superlite/125 GP Race = 8 laps
Support Class Race = 5 laps (Round One = 2 support classes)
Sidecars Race = 8 laps
Sunday:
250 Production/Support Class 3 lap scrub (Round One = 2 support classes)
Post Classic & Additional Support 3 lap scrub (Post Classic Rnd 1 & 3 Only; Support Rnd 1
only)
Pro Twins/Superlite/125 GP 3 lap scrub
Sidecars 3 lap scrub
Superbike/Supersport 3 lap scrub
Support Class Race = 5 laps (Round One = 2 support classes)
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only Race = 8 laps (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production Race = 8 laps
Supersport Race = 15 laps
Pro Twins Race = 8 laps
Superbike Race = 15 laps
Sidecars Race = 8 laps
Superlite/125 GP Race = 8 laps
Lunch Break
Supersport Race = 15 laps except Round One – GP & Three – TT = 20 laps
Pro Twins Race = 8 laps
Superbike Race = 15 laps except Round One – GP & Three – TT = 20 laps
Support Race = 5 laps (Round One = 2 support classes)
Sidecars Race = 8 laps
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only Race = 8 laps (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production Race = 8 laps
Superlite/125 GP Race = 8 laps

jellywrestler
12th November 2013, 19:52
Supplementary regs went up on MNZ website today confirming Post Classic GP titles at NZSBK rnd 1 at Ruapuna. Might pay to book ferry tickets now if your from the north and going down as Interislander have suspended bookings until they sort the Aratere's propeller problem out. Booked on Bluebridge tonight but only limited spaces left. Programme as follows

Saturday:
Practice/Qualifying
Support Class 1 x 10 minutes (Round One = 2 support classes)
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only 2 x 10 minutes (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production 2 x 10 minutes
Pro Twins 2 x 10 minutes
Sidecars 2 x 10 minutes
Superlite/125 GP 2 x 10 minutes
Supersport 1 x 20 minute practice & 1 x 20 minute practice/qualifying
Superbike 1 x 20 minute practice & 1 x 20 minute practice/qualifying
Racing (after lunch break)
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only Race = 8 laps (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production Race = 8 laps
Supersport Race = 10 laps
Pro Twins Race = 8 laps
Superbike Race = 10 laps
Superlite/125 GP Race = 8 laps
Support Class Race = 5 laps (Round One = 2 support classes)
Sidecars Race = 8 laps
Sunday:
250 Production/Support Class 3 lap scrub (Round One = 2 support classes)
Post Classic & Additional Support 3 lap scrub (Post Classic Rnd 1 & 3 Only; Support Rnd 1
only)
Pro Twins/Superlite/125 GP 3 lap scrub
Sidecars 3 lap scrub
Superbike/Supersport 3 lap scrub
Support Class Race = 5 laps (Round One = 2 support classes)
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only Race = 8 laps (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production Race = 8 laps
Supersport Race = 15 laps
Pro Twins Race = 8 laps
Superbike Race = 15 laps
Sidecars Race = 8 laps
Superlite/125 GP Race = 8 laps
Lunch Break
Supersport Race = 15 laps except Round One – GP & Three – TT = 20 laps
Pro Twins Race = 8 laps
Superbike Race = 15 laps except Round One – GP & Three – TT = 20 laps
Support Race = 5 laps (Round One = 2 support classes)
Sidecars Race = 8 laps
Post Classic GP & TT Rnd 1 & 3 only Race = 8 laps (Round One GP & Three TT)
250 Production Race = 8 laps
Superlite/125 GP Race = 8 laps
prizegiving and beer drinking



fixed it for ya

Grumph
13th November 2013, 07:59
I can't see any detail in either supp regs or entry form as to which Post classic classes are eligible.

How's the TT been run ? i'm aware it's been run before but don't know the format.

Anyone have answers ?

Billy
13th November 2013, 08:38
I can't see any detail in either supp regs or entry form as to which Post classic classes are eligible.

How's the TT been run ? i'm aware it's been run before but don't know the format.

Anyone have answers ?

As its a first attempt at running it,

We have to play it by ear this year and see what sort of entries we get as the rulebook demands 6 entries for the class to run,It is our intention to run all 3 if enough entries are received,At the TT they run them all together and then work the finishing order out later,As I said earlier,We will have too see how it pans out before we can give any definitive answers

Kiwi Graham
13th November 2013, 09:05
As Billy has said all together.
Last season there were not enough junior enteries to call it a TT but enough senior enteries.
Remember all wanting eligabilty to race in the TT (& GP) will need Championship licenses.

Billy
13th November 2013, 09:10
As Billy has said all together.
Last season there were not enough junior enteries to call it a TT but enough senior enteries.
Remember all wanting eligabilty to race in the TT (& GP) will need Championship licenses.

Or the licence upgrade,Which costs around $30 i think

Grumph
13th November 2013, 10:26
thank you for your answers. I too will be interested to see how it pans out but Ruapuna is a funny place...With pre 89's in the field, and a relatively long race, there'll be plenty of lapped traffic - and big speed differentials too.

I suspect that now we know it's taking up to pre 89, I won't be involved at all.

Billy
13th November 2013, 10:35
thank you for your answers. I too will be interested to see how it pans out but Ruapuna is a funny place...With pre 89's in the field, and a relatively long race, there'll be plenty of lapped traffic - and big speed differentials too.

I suspect that now we know it's taking up to pre 89, I won't be involved at all.

There will be individual titles for pre 72/82/89 provided enough entries are received for those classes

codgyoleracer
17th November 2013, 06:44
thank you for your answers. I too will be interested to see how it pans out but Ruapuna is a funny place...With pre 89's in the field, and a relatively long race, there'll be plenty of lapped traffic - and big speed differentials too.

I suspect that now we know it's taking up to pre 89, I won't be involved at all.


True........ Those fandangled Pre89 bikes will only be 25 years old in 2014, - They should still be competitve in Superbike aye................. :girlfight:

Grumph
17th November 2013, 08:48
True........ Those fandangled Pre89 bikes will only be 25 years old in 2014, - They should still be competitve in Superbike aye................. :girlfight:

I'll bow to your superior knowledge and more recent experience on thet question Glen...

Here in T'south we have biggish fields of smaller bikes as our circuits suit them. Given the presumably very fast NI pre 89's coming down, and the 125% cutoff quoted in the supp regs, how many will be keen to enter ?

My choice not to be involved was not sour grapes, but comes from observation of large field of mixed classes on Ruapuna, which frankly, frightened me...

Peter Smith
18th November 2013, 19:22
I'll bow to your superior knowledge and more recent experience on thet question Glen...

Here in T'south we have biggish fields of smaller bikes as our circuits suit them. Given the presumably very fast NI pre 89's coming down, and the 125% cutoff quoted in the supp regs, how many will be keen to enter ?

My choice not to be involved was not sour grapes, but comes from observation of large field of mixed classes on Ruapuna, which frankly, frightened me...

I doubt the 125% cut off counts when the classes are mixed.

Grumph
18th November 2013, 20:02
I doubt the 125% cut off counts when the classes are mixed.

Well, again, that's another unknown...But if there's a 125% cutoff for other classes on safety grounds, why wouldn't it apply to this race ?

I'd point out that even at 125%, that means the slow stuff will be lapped twice in 8 laps.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased to see a post Classic race on the programme. Whether an all in as a support class at a national is the best way i really don't know - time will tell.

Rcktfsh
19th November 2013, 05:25
facebook page at

https://www.facebook.com/pages/2014-New-Zealand-Post-Classic-GP/541103249312584

Drew
19th November 2013, 05:38
What's a good pre '89 bike gonna cut around Ruapuna? 1m30s ish?

So the cut off would be 1m52s.

If juniors are gonna be on track at the same time, I envisage a few fucked off people packing up early.

Grumph
19th November 2013, 07:54
What's a good pre '89 bike gonna cut around Ruapuna? 1m30s ish?

So the cut off would be 1m52s.

If juniors are gonna be on track at the same time, I envisage a few fucked off people packing up early.

The fastest two pre 82's i know of were John Beck on the RG at around 1.43 and K Orr on a GS at 1.44. those two were head and shoulders above the rest of pre 82. We haven't really seen a combo of good bike and rider in pre 89's yet so they're only a couple of secs quicker at the moment. i don't know of a pre 72 doing better than around 1.53ish...

Given how John's gone at HD, I doubt the locals will be competitive. Yes, maybe mid 1.30's for the Norfies on slicks.

Rcktfsh
19th November 2013, 18:26
The fastest two pre 82's i know of were John Beck on the RG at around 1.43 and K Orr on a GS at 1.44. those two were head and shoulders above the rest of pre 82. We haven't really seen a combo of good bike and rider in pre 89's yet so they're only a couple of secs quicker at the moment. i don't know of a pre 72 doing better than around 1.53ish...

Given how John's gone at HD, I doubt the locals will be competitive. Yes, maybe mid 1.30's for the Norfies on slicks.

Posties races up north are normally combined classes so riders are used to lapping being lapped ie at the 2012 TT at HD, times over the 40 bikes varied between 1.10 to 1.32 without incident. hardly any of the norfies have ridden modern ruapuna so locals might be surprised.

Billy
19th November 2013, 20:56
Posties races up north are normally combined classes so riders are used to lapping being lapped ie at the 2012 TT at HD, times over the 40 bikes varied between 1.10 to 1.32 without incident. hardly any of the norfies have ridden modern ruapuna so locals might be surprised.

How dare you post with your glass half full attitude on here,This is Kiwibiker where only negativity and half empty glasses exist.

Drew
20th November 2013, 05:35
How dare you post with your glass half full attitude on here,This is Kiwibiker where only negativity and half empty glasses exist.
Any glass not in a vacuum, is completely full.

jellywrestler
20th November 2013, 07:10
How dare you post with your glass half full attitude on here,This is Kiwibiker where only negativity and half empty glasses exist.

poofters use glasses, real men drink straight from the bottle

Peter Smith
20th November 2013, 09:02
Well, again, that's another unknown...But if there's a 125% cutoff for other classes on safety grounds, why wouldn't it apply to this race ?

I'd point out that even at 125%, that means the slow stuff will be lapped twice in 8 laps.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased to see a post Classic race on the programme. Whether an all in as a support class at a national is the best way i really don't know - time will tell.

This is a clip on a post classic combined race showing the speed difference and safe passing practice. (2012 TT Hamptondowns)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-5S1gjr4ZQ&feature=vmdshb

roogazza
20th November 2013, 10:25
This is a clip on a post classic combined race showing the speed difference and safe passing practice. (2012 TT Hamptondowns)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-5S1gjr4ZQ&feature=vmdshb
I only watched two laps, what were you waiting for ?????? :lol:
(sorry about that ,I'm jealous)

Drew
20th November 2013, 14:50
I only watched two laps, what were you waiting for ?????? :lol:
(sorry about that ,I'm jealous)I thought he must be having brake problems, just judging by how early he was getting on them.

jellywrestler
20th November 2013, 16:15
I thought he must be having brake problems, just judging by how early he was getting on them.

yeah that bikes got a reputation for that now........

300weatherby
20th November 2013, 16:19
This is a clip on a post classic combined race showing the speed difference and safe passing practice. (2012 TT Hamptondowns)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-5S1gjr4ZQ&feature=vmdshb

There is no safe passing practice when you come on slow back markers and are being pursued yourself, the exception to that statement is: unless you are prepared to give up your position to accomadate the back marker, therefore, you are no longer racing.

Peter Smith
20th November 2013, 17:45
There is no safe passing practice when you come on slow back markers and are being pursued yourself, the exception to that statement is: unless you are prepared to give up your position to accomadate the back marker, therefore, you are no longer racing.

If it is not safe to pass DON'T. Read the MNZ rule book. This is post classics not a world championship.

Drew
20th November 2013, 17:53
yeah that bikes got a reputation for that now........After it took so long to get a response, I figured I'd gotten the wrong bike, or it wasn't time to make light of things yet.

Peter Smith
20th November 2013, 18:09
After it took so long to get a response, I figured I'd gotten the wrong bike, or it wasn't time to make light of things yet.

It all good. I don't use KB often and am interested to see how the GP works out.
The bike is on the mend (as is the rider), hopefully bike will be ready for classic meetings in February.

malcy25
20th November 2013, 18:32
poofters use glasses, real men drink straight from the bottle

Which are mostly made of glass :lol:

wharfy
22nd November 2013, 20:15
poofters use glasses, real men drink straight from the bottle

Yeah, and smash the neck of on a wagon wheel to open it like John Wayne :)

mossy1200
22nd November 2013, 20:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXLSdJkFL8

This is what happened when posties run with sv650s at manfeild

Drew
23rd November 2013, 06:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXLSdJkFL8

This is what happened when posties run with sv650s at manfeild

Was that on the FZR bro?

I was sure you were faster than that.

mossy1200
23rd November 2013, 07:37
Was that on the FZR bro?

I was sure you were faster than that.

Yeah it was a bit earlier when times were about 1.16 and late 15s. SVs run about the same lap times but its in the corners and not the straights.
Getting in each others way a lot doesn't help.

Drew
23rd November 2013, 07:49
Yeah it was a bit earlier when times were about 1.16 and late 15s. SVs run about the same lap times but its in the corners and not the straights.
Getting in each others way a lot doesn't help.Oh right. Thought things were gonna get messy on the first lap with the orange SV nearly hitting you.

Good times.

mossy1200
23rd November 2013, 08:57
Oh right. Thought things were gonna get messy on the first lap with the orange SV nearly hitting you.

Good times.

Speed in different areas of the track and same lap times make it a bit more challenging than normal.

jellywrestler
23rd November 2013, 09:25
Speed in different areas of the track and same lap times make it a bit more challenging than normal.

yeah buts thats what it's like in posties anyway as you've not only got differnet machinary but a wide range of different riding abilities and race faces on at the same time

Drew
23rd November 2013, 17:56
Speed in different areas of the track and same lap times make it a bit more challenging than normal.Makes for cool racing I reckon...Unless you're the guy on the orange SV.


yeah buts thats what it's like in posties anyway as you've not only got differnet machinary but a wide range of different riding abilities and race faces on at the same timeSums it up nice!

Classics and post classics, have such a massively varied field, it doesn't matter what class they get chucked in with.

Fuck, imagine Glen Williams peddling an OWO1 in posties, (Provided he could ride it better than a ZX10 of course). Mutha fucka would be coming past bikes and lapping over 15 seconds quicker than the mid pack bikes!

mossy1200
23rd November 2013, 18:58
Fuck, imagine Glen Williams peddling an OWO1 in posties, (Provided he could ride it better than a ZX10 of course). Mutha fucka would be coming past bikes and lapping over 15 seconds quicker than the mid pack bikes!

There was a couple of pre 82 juniors that used to be lapped twice every 5 laps.
The thing with the SVs and big posties is that the overall lap time was the same so the battle continued lap after lap.
The good news was that the skill levels were good at the front end of the racing.
As I said was fun but there were moments of madness also.
The silly thing was the first race we went and qualified. 2 posties and 2 SVs made up the fastest laps but then they decided all SVs would start at the front followed by posties on the grid. My FZR was faster in a straight line to corner one then needed to slow down to take the corner. Corner one was a mess with the front two posties trying to drag around the outside of the SVs then slow down.

Needed a staggered start to avoid that or line them like they qualified.

Drew
23rd November 2013, 19:05
line them like they qualified.Is the answer.

Deano
24th November 2013, 17:29
The orange SV #89 was Zane Brooks. Dan Kempthorne on #333 and I was on #180. I remember that race very well - it was a shit load of fun. I can understand how Zane nearly ran into the back of Mossy cause I nearly did the same to Peter Smith ? on #41 at the hairpin. Stuff trying to haul one of those pre 89's up under brakes. That's when men were men LOL

Good times alright !

Peter Smith
24th November 2013, 19:58
The orange SV #89 was Zane Brooks. Dan Kempthorne on #333 and I was on #180. I remember that race very well - it was a shit load of fun. I can understand how Zane nearly ran into the back of Mossy cause I nearly did the same to Peter Smith ? on #41 at the hairpin. Stuff trying to haul one of those pre 89's up under brakes. That's when men were men LOL

Good times alright !

I am #28. Phil Duxbury is #41.
Back to the story. :rolleyes:

mr bucketracer
25th November 2013, 06:13
The orange SV #89 was Zane Brooks. Dan Kempthorne on #333 and I was on #180. I remember that race very well - it was a shit load of fun. I can understand how Zane nearly ran into the back of Mossy cause I nearly did the same to Peter Smith ? on #41 at the hairpin. Stuff trying to haul one of those pre 89's up under brakes. That's when men were men LOL

Good times alright !looks like they let the old folk home come out and ride for the day:laugh:

Deano
25th November 2013, 16:13
I am #28. Phil Duxbury is #41.
Back to the story. :rolleyes:

Yeah I wasn't totally sure Pete, hence the question mark.

Deano
25th November 2013, 16:14
looks like they let the old folk home come out and ride for the day:laugh:

At least they're on real bikes...;)

kiwi cowboy
25th November 2013, 17:24
This is a clip on a post classic combined race showing the speed difference and safe passing practice. (2012 TT Hamptondowns)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-5S1gjr4ZQ&feature=vmdshb

good vid there.
what I did notice and surprised me was the amount the brake fluid moved around in the reservoir.
Seemed to drop a shit load on brakes which could have been the amount of fluid pumped by the lever or had no dampening rubber in the reservoir to stop it moving around.

Drew
25th November 2013, 17:28
good vid there.
what I did notice and surprised me was the amount the brake fluid moved around in the reservoir.
Seemed to drop a shit load on brakes which could have been the amount of fluid pumped by the lever or had no dampening rubber in the reservoir to stop it moving around.
I still have the feeling, we're not talking about the brakes on that bike just yet.:crazy:

kiwi cowboy
25th November 2013, 18:05
I still have the feeling, we're not talking about the brakes on that bike just yet.:crazy:

not sure what ya mean by that drew. not trying to start anything a. was just saying I noticed it and wondered why or is there a story on this I don't know about (being a south islander an all)

Drew
25th November 2013, 18:27
not sure what ya mean by that drew. not trying to start anything a. was just saying I noticed it and wondered why or is there a story on this I don't know about (being a south islander an all)

Fair enough. Choppa sent the bike into oblivion at the Barry Sheene memorial a couple weeks ago. Brakes failed going into the sweaper.

kiwi cowboy
25th November 2013, 18:51
Fair enough. Choppa sent the bike into oblivion at the Barry Sheene memorial a couple weeks ago. Brakes failed going into the sweaper.

bugger all is clear now:whistle:

mr bucketracer
26th November 2013, 14:46
this is what you guys are doing wrong lol http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=1352471&topic=5