Michelin Pilot Road 4 [Archive]

p.dath

15th November 2013, 06:58

Blackbird

15th November 2013, 10:37

Just when I thought it couldn't any better, I was cruising the Michelin web site last night, and they had a press release about the PR4's. Due out next year. More grip, longer life, yada yada.

http://www.michelin.com/corporate/EN/news/article?articleID=N2013-MICHELIN-PilotRoad-4

Depending on price, I'm also tempted by the Michelin Pilot Power 3. I'm thinking I 'm choose grip over life this time.

Interesting Philip! The PR3's are the best all-round tyres I've ever had and certainly exceed my meagre abilities. As I have to ride in all weathers, I'll certainly be very interested in the 4's to replace the 3's, as opposed to pure sports tyres.

Gremlin

15th November 2013, 18:25

The range of performance is certainly impressive. Mates have had the Road 2 and 3 on track, no problem. One mate didn't like the flex in the carcass of the Road 3, but was 2up and didn't use the tyres rated for heavier use. Michelin also seems to have the bases covered, with Normal, Trail and GT grade tyres... really cool stuff.

I'm still using Road 2 on the CB919, but I've got a slightly used set of Road 3 (from above) for next work. GSA has used a set of Road 3, perhaps the tyres will be cheaper with a Road 4 out... :innocent: Then again, I'm enjoying the Michelin Anakee 3 on the GSA currently...

nzspokes

15th November 2013, 19:07

It will be interesting to see what the GT version is.

Gremlin

17th November 2013, 20:37

It will be interesting to see what the GT version is.
Likely to look the same, but rated and suited for the heavier touring bikes.

AllanB

18th November 2013, 16:54

Sticking (hahahaha) with my T30's so far.

Does not seem that long ago the PR3 was out!

neels

22nd November 2013, 07:56

Does not seem that long ago the PR3 was out!
It wasn't.

I've got a PR3 on the back of the ST2, PR2 up front. Not sure if it's the bike, the rider, the tyre or a combination of all of the above but I get strange wear on the sides where the tread blocks are ramped to hell, same with the previous michelin rear.

Seem to work OK on the road, but thinking I might try something else next time.

Blackbird

22nd November 2013, 08:15

It wasn't.

I've got a PR3 on the back of the ST2, PR2 up front. Not sure if it's the bike, the rider, the tyre or a combination of all of the above but I get strange wear on the sides where the tread blocks are ramped to hell, same with the previous michelin rear.

Seem to work OK on the road, but thinking I might try something else next time.

Likely to be affected by different profiles and construction characteristics between the two. I'm on my second set of PR3's and leave my old Avon storms (and original Dunlop Qualifiers) for dead in terms of overall performance.

Gremlin

22nd November 2013, 13:40

Does not seem that long ago the PR3 was out!
Early 2011 I think (if not late 2010). Trail version came out Sep/Oct ish, I remember as I was chasing them.

Maha

22nd November 2013, 14:14

Sticking (hahahaha) with my T30's so far.

Does not seem that long ago the PR3 was out!

I on sold the my near new T30's, I had 5-6 slips (one both front and rear at the same time) in cold wet conditions. Went back to tried and proven PR3's but put a 3B on the rear.

Blackbird

22nd November 2013, 14:34

I on sold the my near new T30's, I had 5-6 slips (one both front and rear at the same time) in cold wet conditions. Went back to tried and proven PR3's but put a 3B on the rear.

Yep, have had 2 sets of 3B's on the Street Triple even though it's light. You can always vary the tyre pressure a wee bit. At the other end of the weight scale, the IAM Chief Examiner has a 3B on his ST1300 and it lasted for over 9000 k's without going out of shape which says something!

My Dunlop Qualifiers tended to slip and slide a bit in damp conditions because I couldn't get the heat into them to make them work properly. I ride in all weathers so was looking for something with good grip over a wider range of conditions than a pure sport tyre.

Maha

22nd November 2013, 14:57

Yep, have had 2 sets of 3B's on the Street Triple even though it's light. You can always vary the tyre pressure a wee bit. At the other end of the weight scale, the IAM Chief Examiner has a 3B on his ST1300 and it lasted for over 9000 k's without going out of shape which says something!

My Dunlop Qualifiers tended to slip and slide a bit in damp conditions because I couldn't get the heat into them to make them work properly. I ride in all weathers so was looking for something with good grip over a wider range of conditions than a pure sport tyre.

I have had PR3's an 2's on my CB1300, and would load that thing up with a double pack/tank bag and pillion, ride through the desert road in winter, ride in any conditions really without a worry. Torrential rain/side winds, you need faith in what is keeping you upright.

vifferman

23rd November 2013, 19:26

I've got a PR2 on the rear, and a PP on the front. Front doesn't last long, but the turn-in is great. Rear's due to be replaced... next week, maybe? (Big work afoot - new tyre, new swingarm bushes, new rear disc.) I'm not sure whether to go PR3 or PR4....:confused:

Ocean1

23rd November 2013, 20:26

I've got a PR2 on the rear, and a PP on the front. Front doesn't last long, but the turn-in is great.

Used to be my favourite combination for the XB12R, works well and the life is similar.

Rear's due to be replaced... next week, maybe? (Big work afoot - new tyre, new swingarm bushes, new rear disc.) I'm not sure whether to go PR3 or PR4....:confused:

I've just put 3500km on new PR3s on the Uly this week. Definitely touring shaped, (very round) and the rear seems to be wearing a little strangely but they feel fine. In fact they felt superb after the OE Pirellis that were fitted. They don't have the tactile stickiness the PR2 had, but they hold on well and the odd wee squirm was very... unflappable.

No idea about the PR4s, go get some and let us know eh?

caspernz

23rd November 2013, 21:30

Mr Michelin is just playing catch-up. On my 750 the PR2s worked fine, PPs were a treat but overkill. Couple of sets of PR3s...great grip but maybe 2/3 the life of the PR2s. Only thing slightly unnerving about the PR3s is the way they wear towards the end of their life, made me think if the edges show extreme feathering on my old 750 then I wouldn't wanna try em on my new Busa...

But heck, once the PR4 comes out, best to just try a set I suppose?

The only benefit of owning a hyperbike is that you get to try a few sets of tyres in short succession I suppose? Now on Bridgestone S20s and liking them.

Danzano

27th November 2013, 22:23

Be interested to see the reviews. At the moment the angle GT is definitely my favourite of the current sport touring tire segment. 8000k's going strong still not squaring off and grip wet or dry.

Prev tyres were Dunlop road smart 2's and Continental's road attack 2's

When the angels die I'm going to post a review of them and maybe in future I'll give these pr4's a jam to or stick with the angels depending on the first reviews.

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nzspokes

7th January 2014, 22:03

Review on the PR4. Ive been having some small issues with the PR3s at a track day and on the road at lean angles. I believe on the 3s the sipes were to close to the edges and the compound to soft at the edges on the rear. Looks like on the 4s this has been resolved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGD6HLdNcW4&feature=player_embedded

Gremlin

7th January 2014, 23:57

Interesting and annoying that the PR4 Trail rear is going to be similar to the PR3, using medium and soft, instead of hard and medium. Wonder why.

Last I checked, the 150/70/17 was available in both Trail and normal, so perhaps mixing and matching then... I want the hard centre.

Banditbandit

8th January 2014, 07:35

I prefer the melt in the mouth soft centres ..

SMOKEU

8th January 2014, 12:38

I'm not sure whether to go PR3 or PR4....:confused:

Those run a 180 rear don't they? If you don't mind something a bit more sporty than what you've got at the moment, then Cycletreads has a 180/55 17 Pilot Power for $239 (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/199-michelin_road/1573-michelin_pilot_power_road_spor.aspx). It's a steal for that price. I simply couldn't resist at that price.

AllanB

8th January 2014, 18:36

Those run a 180 rear don't they? If you don't mind something a bit more sporty than what you've got at the moment, then Cycletreads has a 180/55 17 Pilot Power for $239 (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/199-michelin_road/1573-michelin_pilot_power_road_spor.aspx). It's a steal for that price. I simply couldn't resist at that price.

US$130 in the, well, USA! Bastards.

Gremlin

27th February 2014, 22:58

Has anyone been given ETAs for the PR4 being available in NZ? I'm specifically after the Trail, but I imagine others will be interested in the road versions.

They're available in the USA now, but I don't need just yet, but if it's going to be a while, then I may as well order them in. Last time I did it, the PR3 was available here within a month of ordering in... :blink:

On that note actually, I was really impressed with the Anakee 3 being available as I asked (couple of sample sets randomly in a container with other stock) and it had only just been released... so quite impressed with the rate we've got tyres for the last couple of sets.

Blackbird

28th February 2014, 07:13

Alan,
I spoke to someone called Michelle at Northern Accessories, the importers. They said that the best information they had will be sometime in March but had no further info. I tried to import from Jake Wilson in the USA and they said they were prohibited from sending to NZ. I decided to use the YouShop route to get round this but the weight/volume calculation applies to tyres and makes it uneconomic. Oh, and a pair will set you back the best part of $750 in NZ so the 20% extra life claim better be right!

Unfortunately, I can't wait as my rear PR3 is just about down to the legal minimum so it looks like it will be a straight replacement again. Not that I'm really complaining as we both know how good they are. Also, my first PR3 rear lasted for around 14000 km and this one has lasted 15500 km so it's fairly consistent. They've both had a fairly hard life too :yes:

P.s if you find an option to import, let me know!

manxkiwi

28th February 2014, 08:18

Blackbird

28th February 2014, 08:32

You're probably right on the crossover. If you spend a fair bit of time well loaded with a pillion or luggage, then maybe the GT, otherwise the normal ones would almost certainly be fine. A friend uses the PR3 with the "B" spec rear and gets around 9000 km with his ST 1300 but I think the PR4 would be a better option when it's available. Another mate had PR3's on his Triumph Sprint and they were great. Now has them on his BMW K1200.

Bear in mind that the PR4 models all use different compounds from each other too. The normal road PR4 now has a hard compound centre and medium compound on the sides. The PR3 has a medium centre and soft sides. If you log onto the Revzilla site and look up PR4's, there's an informative video on them.

Trade_nancy

28th February 2014, 09:13

I'll be interested to find out if my Sprint GT would be best on the normal PR4 or the GT model?
I've been looking at the big splurge about them in the Road Guide booklet. It recomends things like the BMW1600 and others for the GT, but puts the VFR1200 in with the 'normal' model. I'd have thought the VFR and the Sprint were 'heavy' bikes. Must do some digging.

More about your applied use of the bike than the bike model itself. i.e. if u are a canyon chaser - go for sport tyres; if a commuter with a once a year trip to Taupo - get a sport/tour (PR3) - if you go to the Burt Munro from Russell each year and do umpteem highway miles on the motorway with a pillion - get a GT.
I have a Sprint GT and had an ST955 before that - I use PR/PR2/PR3 - any of these... The GT tyre is of benefit for riders who lean less and point the bike down the freeway loaded up with gear. I do that 1-2 times a year. I did get a really good techo briefing last year from the Bridgestone rep on their range - which has a GT tyre also (BT-23GT). This sort of tyre construction is harder - better to last - not so much fun into warm tar tight corners I think...so I expect the Michelin PR3 version to behave similarly. IMHO.
Regards
Mark

Gremlin

28th February 2014, 10:44

I spoke to someone called Michelle at Northern Accessories, the importers. They said that the best information they had will be sometime in March but had no further info. I tried to import from Jake Wilson in the USA and they said they were prohibited from sending to NZ. I decided to use the YouShop route to get round this but the weight/volume calculation applies to tyres and makes it uneconomic. Oh, and a pair will set you back the best part of $750 in NZ so the 20% extra life claim better be right!
Bah, after you said Jake Wilson didn't any more (and that was how I did it) then I thought of YouShop, but seems that's out too. :( March would be fine for me, but if they're going to be that expensive, I'm getting the 3 Trail instead. Overseas, there is a marginal price difference between 3 and 4.

I'll be interested to find out if my Sprint GT would be best on the normal PR4 or the GT model?
I've been looking at the big splurge about them in the Road Guide booklet. It recomends things like the BMW1600 and others for the GT, but puts the VFR1200 in with the 'normal' model. I'd have thought the VFR and the Sprint were 'heavy' bikes. Must do some digging.
manx, depends on your use I think. Always one up, the normal might be suitable, but lots of luggage or 2up, I'd probably go for the GT. As blackbird says, the compounds and spread have changed on 4s, with more hard in the centre of GT, yet the Trail continues to use soft and medium...

manxkiwi

2nd March 2014, 20:40

manx, depends on your use I think. Always one up, the normal might be suitable, but lots of luggage or 2up, I'd probably go for the GT. As blackbird says, the compounds and spread have changed on 4s, with more hard in the centre of GT, yet the Trail continues to use soft and medium...

Yeah sounds fair enough. Bought the bike specifically for two up work, East Cape, Welly etc. South Island, maybe next summer. So the GT sounds good for that. But I don't mind seeking out the twisties and 'leaning' a bit! I wouldn't call it sport riding though, got the 675 for that. Just got a set of Angel GTs to go on, I'll see how they go. The OEM Bridgies were sh*t! Front gone at 5k, squeezed 7k out of the rear. Even allowing for average or below OEM suspension they were the most shagged tyres I've ever seen. They were BT021Rs.

Gremlin

1st April 2014, 10:12

Blackbird

1st April 2014, 10:42

Looks like they're available now:

Regular: http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/199-michelin_road/12630-michelin_pilot_road_4_standard.aspx
Trail: http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/304-michelin_trail/12631-michelin_pilot_road_4_trail_sp.aspx
GT: http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/199-michelin_road/12629-michelin_pilot_road_4_gt_sport.aspx

Couldn't hang on Alan :weep: . Bought another PR3 rear in mid-March, not that I'm complaining. Will swap the front for a PR4 when it's due. Used to change both tyres together but after changing to PR3's on the Triple (14,200 and 16,600 km for both rears respectively and over 17,000 from the first front), the current front has got a long way to go.

Gremlin

1st April 2014, 11:39

the current front has got a long way to go.
Yeah, long mileages and suddenly you're not replacing frequently. CB900 gets 24k ish from the rear and 26k ish from the front on PR2. At 12k a year for it, that's 2 years :eek5:

GTRMAN

2nd April 2014, 18:41

I dream of that kind if tyre life....:(

nzspokes

2nd April 2014, 18:56

Yeah, long mileages and suddenly you're not replacing frequently. CB900 gets 24k ish from the rear and 26k ish from the front on PR2. At 12k a year for it, that's 2 years :eek5:

Im about 18k and the PR3s are pretty toasted. Not an issue now though.

Gremlin

2nd April 2014, 20:59

Im about 18k and the PR3s are pretty toasted. Not an issue now though.
Must be a hard bugger then. Mate was doing the odd ART days, plus other riding, and still got 24k ish from PR3 on a CB900...

BMW has no chance of getting 20 anything. Managed 12k on PR3, Anakee 3 I've managed 13k (highest mileage tyre yet) with a little more to go. Think I'll get a set of PR4 and run them next on the BMW, see how they go, but with my reduced mileage, it's taking over a year to finish a tyre. Odd situation when I've run out tyres in a month or two :confused:

nzspokes

2nd April 2014, 21:14

Must be a hard bugger then. Mate was doing the odd ART days, plus other riding, and still got 24k ish from PR3 on a CB900...

Nah, just fat.

Fronts got a nasty cup and backs getting down in the center. 4s do look good though.

Its not being ridden anymore so not an issue anyway.

AllanB

2nd April 2014, 22:02

I got 12k out of PR2's on my Horny 900. Bloody course South Island roads :facepalm:

nzspokes

2nd April 2014, 22:13

I got 12k out of PR2's on my Horny 900. Bloody course South Island roads :facepalm:

Thats harsh.....

AllanB

3rd April 2014, 08:15

Thats harsh.....

But it was twice what I got out of the sport rubber on it before so good value. Conti Road Attack 2 was about 10k, T30's on there presently and looking good. Oddly enough Pilot Powers did OK for a sticky rubber duration wise, at about 8k.

MarkH

20th May 2014, 17:43

Found this link on another forum: http://www.cycleworld.com/videos/latest_videos/michelin_pilot_road_4_performance_video/
They are claiming better wet performance than their rivals tyres get.

caspernz

19th June 2014, 13:40

Jizah

19th June 2014, 15:51

Michelin Pilot Road 4 set fitted to the Busa today, be interesting to see how they perform.

Where did you get them and what did they cost?

Blackbird

19th June 2014, 17:18

Michelin Pilot Road 4 set fitted to the Busa today, be interesting to see how they perform.

Bridgestone S20 set did almost 5000 kms, would have done maybe another 500 clicks, but next trip is quite a bit longer than that...so meh, ripped 'em off a bit early.

Did you fit the GT? I recently chucked a PR4 on the rear after puncturing an almost new PR3 - standard version. They have the same feel as the PR3 and are excellent in the wet, as we're the 3's. A rear cost me $450 at Drury Performance Centre.

caspernz

20th June 2014, 11:25

Where did you get them and what did they cost?

Wellington Motorcycles. Cheaper than Cycletreads, might have something to do with me being a loyal repeat customer...:scratch:

Did you fit the GT? I recently chucked a PR4 on the rear after puncturing an almost new PR3 - standard version. They have the same feel as the PR3 and are excellent in the wet, as we're the 3's. A rear cost me $450 at Drury Performance Centre.

Standard version for me. Have had PR3s on my previous bike and was impressed by the all round performance. I run with light luggage and mostly one-up so no need for a GT version is my thinking. Kinda hard to judge until I've clocked some serious kays on the PR4s. If the wear seems high then I might try a GT next time around.

The PR4s seem to be getting good reviews in their segment, and after running PR3s, it's a safe guess they'll do well. But to be honest I've favoured Michelin for some years anyway :2thumbsup

Blackbird

20th June 2014, 12:21

Wellington Motorcycles. Cheaper than Cycletreads, might have something to do with me being a loyal repeat customer...:scratch:

Standard version for me. Have had PR3s on my previous bike and was impressed by the all round performance. I run with light luggage and mostly one-up so no need for a GT version is my thinking. Kinda hard to judge until I've clocked some serious kays on the PR4s. If the wear seems high then I might try a GT next time around.

The PR4s seem to be getting good reviews in their segment, and after running PR3s, it's a safe guess they'll do well. But to be honest I've favoured Michelin for some years anyway :2thumbsup

I was planning to import some but it got stuffed in the "too hard" basket as the rear PR3 hadn't got much life in it after 16000 km so had to swallow hard and fork out!

Yeah, I reckon the PR4 will work out just fine. If the marketing claims are accurate, they should last even longer than the PR3's without sacrificing grip.

caspernz

22nd June 2014, 22:29

Righto, initial impressions on Pilot Road 4s on my Busa.

Tread squirm far less than experienced on PR3s on previous bike, pleasant surprise. The sipes are narrower though, so all in all this is just natural progression I suppose?

Quick warm-up, sure footed feel and at least as good as PR3s in wet weather...yeah I carried on despite the rain! Compared to the S20s, I'd go for the PR4s in the wet, no surprise there really given the target market for the tyre. After riding a Bandit on T30s, I was more inclined to go for PR4s.

Got a bit of distance to cover in weeks to come, but initial impressions are better than expected. The only question that counts I suppose is the longevity one. Not the cheapest tyre up front, but like the PR3s before them, a good compromise for a lot of real world riding situations. Like Mr Hitcher has often commented, a good sport/touring tyre is all most of us need, and yes I can agree...

All I can say is if you cover a few kays in all kinds of weather, the PR4s are :2thumbsup

pritch

1st July 2014, 18:19

Blackbird

1st July 2014, 18:47

BIKE magazine commented that there was a question about the longevity of the PR3s. The latest review of the PR4 that I have seen states that the update is aimed to increase the mileage. Not that Blackbird seems to be suffering.

Hi Ron,
Well, the Street Triple is one of the lighter bikes around but 14000 - 17000 km from PR3 rears was pretty acceptable and the bike gets used as intended :laugh: . I haven't seen the article but maybe sidewall flex affected heavier bikes or those with more HP. Having said that, the IAM Chief Examiner had PR3's (B spec rear) on his ST1300 and got around 9000 km from them. The PR4 GT's look a good prospect for heavier/gruntier bikes.

Gremlin

1st July 2014, 20:01

While Michelin claimed the PR3 was good for +20% life (or something) over the PR2, I don't think that was really the case. It was more like about equal, but the PR3 wet weather grip was brilliant.

If you look at the changes in the PR4, yep, there is less use of the sipes, interesting changes in the centre of the tread etc, so ideally, more life from the PR4. However, the PR4 Trail wasn't changed much over the PR3 Trail... bastards.

Ocean1

1st July 2014, 20:02

BIKE magazine commented that there was a question about the longevity of the PR3s. The latest review of the PR4 that I have seen states that the update is aimed to increase the mileage. Not that Blackbird seems to be suffering.

I hope my next new tyres are some way off yet, but the PR4 (or 5?) is currently first choice.

The PR3s on the XB12 are 6k old, and the sides are 70% gone. Quite heavy scalloping, which I didn't get with PR2s on previous Buells. The book says the likely cause is heavy handed compression damping, but that's not the case.

They do squirm around a bit, but it doesn't seem to affect feedback and I don't mind it although they do feel quite different to the PR2s. Given me druthers I'd probably go PR2 to replace it if there was a bit of a tour on the horizon, one of the PPowers if not.

So I'm keen to get some feedback on the PP4s before I have to stump up for a new rear in a couple of months...

nzspokes

1st July 2014, 20:33

The PR3s on the XB12 are 6k old, and the sides are 70% gone. Quite heavy scalloping, which I didn't get with PR2s on previous Buells. The book says the likely cause is heavy handed compression damping, but that's not the case.

They do squirm around a bit, but it doesn't seem to affect feedback and I don't mind it although they do feel quite different to the PR2s. Given me druthers I'd probably go PR2 to replace it if there was a bit of a tour on the horizon, one of the PPowers if not.

So I'm keen to get some feedback on the PP4s before I have to stump up for a new rear in a couple of months...

I had the PR3s on the Hornet and they did give an unsure feel on a hot day on on the track. I found on the track they moved about quite a bit on turn 6 at Hampton. For commuting they are stunning, I never had a slip from them. But yeah on the edges I didnt like them, front was fine for me.

On my VTR I have original Pilots which dont move at all, the just grip or let go. In the wet they let go quite a bit.

Not sure what I will go for next. PR4s are very interesting. Would like to know what they are like on the edges.

Ocean1

1st July 2014, 20:53

I had the PR3s on the Hornet and they did give an unsure feel on a hot day on on the track. I found on the track they moved about quite a bit on turn 6 at Hampton. For commuting they are stunning, I never had a slip from them. But yeah on the edges I didnt like them, front was fine for me.

On my VTR I have original Pilots which dont move at all, the just grip or let go. In the wet they let go quite a bit.

Not sure what I will go for next. PR4s are very interesting. Would like to know what they are like on the edges.

Was it you that posted pics of significant scalloping on a PR3 rear? The pic I'm thinking of showed the leading edge scalloped, as if worn under acceleration? Mine is the opposite, the trailing edge worn, as if worn under brakes.

And to be honest such wear wouldn't have surprised me because of the Buells heavy engine braking and my dirty riding habits, but as I said it didn't happen with the PR2s or PPs on earlier Buells.

nzspokes

1st July 2014, 21:21

Was it you that posted pics of significant scalloping on a PR3 rear? The pic I'm thinking of showed the leading edge scalloped, as if worn under acceleration? Mine is the opposite, the trailing edge worn, as if worn under brakes.

And to be honest such wear wouldn't have surprised me because of the Buells heavy engine braking and my dirty riding habits, but as I said it didn't happen with the PR2s or PPs on earlier Buells.

Wasnt me but yes mine had that. Leading edge from memory. Also front was getting some scalloping but it never had a bad feel. Rear was nasty on the edges. The Pilot Roads i have on the VTR are not showing any scalloping.

Ocean1

1st July 2014, 21:31

The Pilot Roads i have on the VTR are not showing any scalloping.

Good tyres, I've trashed two and a half pair over the last few years, not quite as sticky as the dual compound items, certainly not in the wet, but they always seemed predictable even when drifting a tad, and you can't really ask for more than that.

caspernz

6th July 2014, 21:26

Ok, 500 odd clicks into a set of Pilot Road 4s on my Busa :devil2:

It's odd to ride on a sport/touring tyre that feels so sporty is one of the things that comes to mind. The improvement over the PR3s is incremental to my mind, the main change being a less "squirmy" feel when cranking in and out of corners. I also can't recall the PR3s being as easy to tip into a corner on, but hey the PR3s were on a different bike, so could be perception.

Now I'll accept that not everyone will like riding on a 'mere' sport/touring tyre, but for my use I can't fault it. If anyone needs more from a tyre it should perhaps also involve a racetrack :headbang:

The only downside for some might be the upfront cost of buying a set :eek: but hey it's only a set of tyres :rolleyes:

Big Dog

30th August 2014, 14:11

Sticking (hahahaha) with my T30's so far.

Does not seem that long ago the PR3 was out!

Currently trying to decide between t30 and pr4.

I can find lots of reviews that rave about traction in the dry. Conspicuous vacuum of people mentioning grip in the wet.

Any opinion on the t30?
What sort I mileage did you get from the t30?

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

caspernz

30th August 2014, 14:33

Currently trying to decide between t30 and pr4.

I can find lots of reviews that rave about traction in the dry. Conspicuous vacuum of people mentioning grip in the wet.

Any opinion on the t30?
What sort I mileage did you get from the t30?

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

My 5 cents...

Traction of PR4 in the wet is an incremental improvement over PR3. Haven't used T30, only S20 and they were grippy enough in the wet for my liking, but in all fairness the PR4 feels more settled in the wet.