Busa or Blackbird?

[nzspokes]

Between say a 05 to 07 Blackbird or same age Busa, which bike is better for day to day use? I commute everyday on the bike so would have to handle that. Not that interested in absolute speed but want some sportiness.

Not ready to jump yet but always wanted a Busa, then I recently tripped over Blackbirds which I think I prefer. That mainly due to a slightly more relaxed riding position.

Have heard the Busa called the fat mans sportsbike. Which in my case fits. :lol:

[mossy1200]

Between say a 05 to 07 Blackbird or same age Busa, which bike is better for day to day use? I commute everyday on the bike so would have to handle that. Not that interested in absolute speed but want some sportiness.

Not ready to jump yet but always wanted a Busa, then I recently tripped over Blackbirds which I think I prefer. That mainly due to a slightly more relaxed riding position.

Have heard the Busa called the fat mans sportsbike. Which in my case fits. :lol:

Be better off with a zx12r. Have owned a blackbird and zx12. The 12 comfort level is the same as the blackbird but the handling, ground clearance is better on the 12 if you want to corner at any speed.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-661318783.htm cheap one but idd try find later one.

[AllanB]

Looks like a good fit .............

[nzspokes]

Looks like a good fit .............

That's a lot of leather.....

[nzspokes]

Be better off with a zx12r. Have owned a blackbird and zx12. The 12 comfort level is the same as the blackbird but the handling, ground clearance is better on the 12 if you want to corner at any speed.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-661318783.htm cheap one but idd try find later one.

Really? I would have thought the 12 was a lot more sporty?

[skippa1]

Looks like a good fit .............
That beast has a motorcycle hangin out its arse

[mossy1200]

Looks like a good fit .............

Wow look. Hes managed to wedgie himself with a motorbike.

[mossy1200]

Really? I would have thought the 12 was a lot more sporty?

It is but the comfort level is very good. My wife thinks the 12 back seat is better also. The blackbird gave me bad back after extended hrs riding and the zx12 didn't.

I don't know anything about busas. Never had a chance to ride one (don't think the shop thought I was a safe option for test ride) and half the older busa colour schemes don't appeal to me.

[nzspokes]

It is but the comfort level is very good. My wife thinks the 12 back seat is better also. The blackbird gave me bad back after extended hrs riding and the zx12 didn't.

I don't know anything about busas. Never had a chance to ride one (don't think the shop thought I was a safe option for test ride) and half the older busa colour schemes don't appeal to me.

ZX12 is an interesting option. What are they like about town?

[nzspokes]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-661318783.htm cheap one but idd try find later one.

Gotta say I like the look of that bike, like the colour.

[mossy1200]

ZX12 is an interesting option. What are they like about town?

Not hard to ride in town. Easier than a litre bike due to more torque. 2nd or 3rd gear holds 50kph.

If wanting a big bike for around 6k-8k price they are a very good option. Over 8k starts to get zx14 2007 models etc.

Birds are good bikes but I wore the fairings away on mine so scratching isn't their strong point.

12rs arnt as heavy either. My 14r was 260kg and the 12rs were about 220kg from memory.

[300weatherby]

Between say a 05 to 07 Blackbird or same age Busa, which bike is better for day to day use? I commute everyday on the bike so would have to handle that. Not that interested in absolute speed but want some sportiness.

Not ready to jump yet but always wanted a Busa, then I recently tripped over Blackbirds which I think I prefer. That mainly due to a slightly more relaxed riding position.

Have heard the Busa called the fat mans sportsbike. Which in my case fits. :lol:

Busa!!!! The Busa is no more difficult to punt in the twisty stuff than any other big bike, riders need to look at themselves first, the bike second. Buy mine (on TM)and i'll teach you how to ride a Busa effectively. Busa will nanna about as a shopping trolley, will fang in the twisties, will make like a dragster, and is a LEDGEND, in a way the blackbird, zx12 and the like will NEVER, be.

Fly into CHCH on a friday, spend the afternoon at Ruapuna, ride it home the next day, will cover the costs and sort the logistics at my asking price. Now you are curious, you gotta figure out which one is mine..........

[nzspokes]

Not hard to ride in town. Easier than a litre bike due to more torque. 2nd or 3rd gear holds 50kph.

If wanting a big bike for around 6k-8k price they are a very good option. Over 8k starts to get zx14 2007 models etc.

Birds are good bikes but I wore the fairings away on mine so scratching isn't their strong point.

12rs arnt as heavy either. My 14r was 260kg and the 12rs were about 220kg from memory.

Thanks for that. I do like that green bike.

[mossy1200]

Gotta say I like the look of that bike, like the colour.

That's the last of the unrestricted ones. Pre 300kph limiting. After that model the air intake snout is more aerodynamic looking but the limiters started.
Saying that mine had 167 rwhp and never reached the limiter so factory claims arnt always worth listning to.

Its was the kind of bike that could sit at 90-110 no problem and have an evil top end with power and torque if requested.

[nzspokes]

Busa!!!! The Busa is no more difficult to punt in the twisty stuff than any other big bike, riders need to look at themselves first, the bike second. Buy mine (on TM)and i'll teach you how to ride a Busa effectively. Busa will nanna about as a shopping trolley, will fang in the twisties, will make like a dragster, and is a LEDGEND, in a way the blackbird, zx12 and the like will NEVER, be.

Fly into CHCH on a friday, spend the afternoon at Ruapuna, ride it home the next day, will cover the costs and sort the logistics at my asking price. Now you are curious, you gotta figure out which one is mine..........

Bet its this one......

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-656552424.htm

:crazy:

[nzspokes]

That's the last of the unrestricted ones. Pre 300kph limiting. After that model the air intake snout is more aerodynamic looking but the limiters started.
Saying that mine had 167 rwhp and never reached the limiter so factory claims arnt always worth listning to.

Its was the kind of bike that could sit at 90-110 no problem and have an evil top end with power and torque if requested.

Im not interested in much over 200. Are they stable at speed? they have a steering damper?

This ones done just under 60k, they last well in the motors?

[nzspokes]

Busa!!!! The Busa is no more difficult to punt in the twisty stuff than any other big bike, riders need to look at themselves first, the bike second. Buy mine (on TM)and i'll teach you how to ride a Busa effectively. Busa will nanna about as a shopping trolley, will fang in the twisties, will make like a dragster, and is a LEDGEND, in a way the blackbird, zx12 and the like will NEVER, be.

Fly into CHCH on a friday, spend the afternoon at Ruapuna, ride it home the next day, will cover the costs and sort the logistics at my asking price. Now you are curious, you gotta figure out which one is mine..........

Is it the one with different colour fairings from side to side?

[300weatherby]

Bet its this one......

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-656552424.htm

:crazy:

Jeeze........! not!

[300weatherby]

Is it the one with different colour fairings from side to side?

Yup. With practice you Sherlocking skills improve!

[nzspokes]

Yup. With practice you Sherlocking skills improve!

Its the only one in Christchurch. Hmm interesting. I just happen to have a mate that's a mint painter.

I do like that green ZX12 though.

[300weatherby]

Its the only one in Christchurch. Hmm interesting. I just happen to have a mate that's a mint painter.

I do like that green ZX12 though.

Well, you could be the only Busa rider in the country with a Kermit green Busa......... Have a calculate of the value of the service, then subtract that number from the asking price, then compare the remainder value against others on offer.........

Then add in a flight south on the big orange budgey, track time to understand the bike on the best track in NZ, and a road trip home, wins all around, I can tell you are on a roll right now............:yes:

[mossy1200]

Im not interested in much over 200. Are they stable at speed? they have a steering damper?

This ones done just under 60k, they last well in the motors?

I tend to buy new bike every year or two. I don't even know how long ago I had a bike with over 30k on it.
Its hard at 60k as if looked after by previous owners may do another 100k but if not looked after may not.
Any bike carries the same risk.
Idd get it checked and ask for service receipts.
Its a cracker price and a lot of bike for that money.

Not long ago I spotted a 2005 with 28k in silver for 7.5grand

Im not sure a busa would out handle a 12 in corners. Idd say the 12 would out handle my 14r by a long shot and reviews seems to rate the 14r handling above the generation 2 busa.
Busa would have a mid range pull advantage and higher top speed.
The reason busas held the top spot for so long is the range of accessories due to the length of unchanged production time.

[Gremlin]

Neither is supposed to be ridden around town... :confused:

Keep the Hornet, it's plenty good at that. You also want a more relaxed riding position. Again, the Hornet is the most relaxed...

Mileage? 60k is nothing on a Hornet.

edit: Servicing on the Hornet is a whole lot cheaper and simpler too...

[blackdog]

Be better off with a zx12r. Have owned a blackbird and zx12. The 12 comfort level is the same as the blackbird but the handling, ground clearance is better on the 12 if you want to corner at any speed.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-661318783.htm cheap one but idd try find later one.

I think Madness may still be selling his.

[nzspokes]

Neither is supposed to be ridden around town... :confused:

Keep the Hornet, it's plenty good at that. You also want a more relaxed riding position. Again, the Hornet is the most relaxed...

Mileage? 60k is nothing on a Hornet.

edit: Servicing on the Hornet is a whole lot cheaper and simpler too...

Well ive lifted the pegs on the Hornet 30mm up and back over stock. And am looking at lower bars. After riding the Hyobag for the first time in a year I have found that a sports position may be able to work for me, its got flat bars on it now and rearsets set full back. Changing the pegs on the Hornet has helped me get to grips with its handling a lot. As for size my old Bandit was about the same as the Blackbird/Busa so that doesn't bother me.

As Im the only person that works on my bikes, servicing is a non-issue. Only place they will go to is Drury tyres for new rubbers from time to time.

[nzspokes]

Well, you could be the only Busa rider in the country with a Kermit green Busa......... Have a calculate of the value of the service, then subtract that number from the asking price, then compare the remainder value against others on offer.........

Then add in a flight south on the big orange budgey, track time to understand the bike on the best track in NZ, and a road trip home, wins all around, I can tell you are on a roll right now............:yes:

Is it a first gen one? Are all the fairings good just different colours?

I reckon a deep red with gold wheels on that. still would probably cost 1k at least to tidy it up I think if I did it how I would want. I have always wanted a Busa.

[The Reibz]

Can't go wrong with a busa, def aint the best bike for lane splliting due to the width but everything which has been said previously has been true. Your spolit for choice with the after market, there are custom parts for everything to suit everyones style.

Most modified street bike in the world.

[Big Dave]

Someone explain the logic of buying a 300kph bike for 100kph speed limited roads?

[EJK]

Someone explain the logic of buying a 300kph bike for 100kph speed limited roads?

Because some rules are meant to be broken.

Either that or we are just mean angry BAMFs.

[Blackbird]

I had a Blackbird for 8 years and absolutely loved it. Mossy's comments about catching the fairing is spot on but that's fixed by raising the rear ride height. Ignoring the emotional appeal of owning either bike, be ready for high "consumable" costs like rear tyres! Both bikes have bullet-proof motors with good routine maintenance. Lots of the UK Blackbird owners have done over a quarter of a million miles with nothing more than a cam chain tensioner change. Owning a 'bird or a 'busa is a great experience (notwithstanding Big Dave's valid comment :rolleyes:), particularly if you're on the open road a lot but they're naturally a bit more cumbersome in town than a lighter bike.

I've owned a Street Triple for 4 years since selling the 'bird. Interestingly, the difference in power to weight ratio between the Triple and 'bird is a lot less than you'd expect and it only becomes really apparent at open highway speeds. Pillion carrying isn't an issue for me. I miss the top end rush of the 'bird but overall, prefer the Triple for the type of riding I do these days. Horses for courses an' all that!

[Gremlin]

Someone explain the logic of buying a 300kph bike for 100kph speed limited roads?
I reckon most people have to sorta go through it. Plenty lust after the high power bikes. Some stay... some don't. One of the most frustrating things I found was trundling along, knowing the bike could do triple the current speed.

As long as it has some overtaking punch for now and then... I need my licence more than a high speed thrill...

[The Reibz]

Someone explain the logic of buying a 300kph bike for 100kph speed limited roads?

This guy explains it probably better than anyone. If this doesn't directly answer your question nothing will.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/9A9Qn9nMJqU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This is why I own a busa...
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[insomnia01]

Owned my 99 'Bird' for 7yrs now brought it at 42k now has 212,000 & still going strong, have custom this & that as you do.... Had a 07' ZX14 but had to sell due to issues at home :weep: have been thinking of getting another ZX as I liked it but didn't spend enough time on it to get to know it. The hard thing is deciding what to get ( Now i'm looking at adventure style bike for the mancave ) I love touring & endurance events (1000milers etc ) but still like pushing sportys along On Any Sunday, any of the 3 mentioned will make you wet yourself if you let it :wait: plenty of good advice here for you to mull over, Good luck with your choice :headbang:

[nzmikey]

ZX14 ?


http://youtu.be/6f6CXcoQHgA?t=19s

[Ender EnZed]

There's plenty of information and reviews about the bikes you're looking at online so I guess all you're really after from KB is people telling you to buy what they already own. On those lines...




I have always wanted a Busa.

There could be a very simple answer to your question right here.^^^

There are no real downsides to a Busa, it'll handle the ride to work each day just as easily as it'll rip across the country as fast as you dare and then some. It won't change direction quite like a GSXR that weighs 50kg less but unless you ride one of those regularly you won't notice that.

A Blackbird or a ZX12 might be a better bike but will owning one cross the Hayabusa off your list of bikes you want to own before you die? Don't take the risk, just buy the one you already know you want.

[5150]

Looks like a good fit .............

I didn't know that Kim .com rode bikes? Or is this Gerry Brownlee on his way to parliament?

[AllanB]

The drag race video was interesting - I'd have liked a 1/2 mile run as I see the Busa was gaining ground fast at the end of the 1/4 mile.

Salt Lake drag race?

Does it even matter at that level other than over a beer in the pub?

[mossy1200]

The drag race video was interesting - I'd have liked a 1/2 mile run as I see the Busa was gaining ground fast at the end of the 1/4 mile.

Salt Lake drag race?

Does it even matter at that level other than over a beer in the pub?

?? the terminal speed at the quarter was 146 14r and 142 busa. That's not gaining ground its 4mph slower across the line so the gap is getting larger.

It depends what drag clips you watch also as to the results.

Aus run on the zx14r in stock form less the speed restrictor has the 14r reaching 202mph at the 1 mile mark.

Theres also a lot of safety maps on the zx14r in 5th and 6th gear and a safety stp map for over acceleration. Different bike once restrictors removed.

I think the OP is looking to spend a little less than the price of a new zx14r.
The 12r is a great bike for the cost of buying one. That's why I suggested it as an option.

[Stylo]

Between say a 05 to 07 Blackbird or same age Busa, which bike is better for day to day use? I commute everyday on the bike so would have to handle that. Not that interested in absolute speed but want some sportiness.

Not ready to jump yet but always wanted a Busa, then I recently tripped over Blackbirds which I think I prefer. That mainly due to a slightly more relaxed riding position.

Have heard the Busa called the fat mans sportsbike. Which in my case fits. :lol:

Back to the script . I've never had a Blackbird but spent some time on one a while back, they do have some comfort advantage over a Busa for sure. I'm on my third Busa now and they're Ok , just don't expect them to be a good fit when you're in congested traffic or as a commuting tool. For the money and, if that's you're two options given the price range, I'd go for a very well looked after Blackbird ( if there's any around ) if not there's still a few low mileage G1 Busa's out there, as always caveat emptor.

Busa's the bike if you want street cred and the bike you'll get home on and grab a beer and go and have another look at it in your garage.

Blackbird you'll park it up and go and turn the telly on, if you know what I mean.

[Blackbird]

Blackbird vs R1 vs ZX12R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jApCAEq3LTU.

Blackbird vs busa vs ZX12R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCAgMlKeek

Good old-fashioned bike porn :banana:

[Stylo]

Blackbird vs R1 vs ZX12R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jApCAEq3LTU.

Blackbird vs busa vs ZX12R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCAgMlKeek

Good old-fashioned bike porn :banana:

Holy shit !

Thanks for the post

[300weatherby]

Blackbird vs R1 vs ZX12R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jApCAEq3LTU.

Blackbird vs busa vs ZX12R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCAgMlKeek

Good old-fashioned bike porn :banana:

None of the bike vs bike stuff means anything unless the variables are taken out of the equasion, bragging rights, ie: "mine is bigger/faster/stonger than yours" only has legitimate value when everything is equal. If you turned up at the track on a Blackbird or ZX12, i'll beat the pants off you and make your bike look slow, when in fact it is not slow. Then we go to the drag strip and you make my bike look like it's dragging an anchour. Neither bike is slow, at the dragstrip on any given day, the result could be different,

The choice should come down to how it looks to you, how it feels, and in this case, weather you want to own a ledgendary icon, or just another big fast supertourer.............

[nzspokes]

Busa's the bike if you want street cred and the bike you'll get home on and grab a beer and go and have another look at it in your garage.

Blackbird you'll park it up and go and turn the telly on, if you know what I mean.

And that's the answer to it there. I would like something as you say I can grab a beer and go back out and look at. I think your right on the Blackbird. Not sure on the Busa. ZX12 is the leading contender.

ZX14, I don't like the look for some reason.

[EJK]

ZX14, I don't like the look for some reason.

Why? Cause they look like a jet ski?

[mossy1200]

And that's the answer to it there. I would like something as you say I can grab a beer and go back out and look at. I think your right on the Blackbird. Not sure on the Busa. ZX12 is the leading contender.

ZX14, I don't like the look for some reason.

Put soap in your mouth.

[BigB]

Well brought my Blackbird new in 2005 and still commute every from Albany to the city in Auckland every day and i love it. Have been round the South Island with the wife on the back not an issue. And when I want to have fun I can, so to me the perfect all round bike and yes I have ridden the Busa and ZX12 both great bikes.

It all comes down to your own personal opinion, as simple as that.


cheers

[nzspokes]

Well brought my Blackbird new in 2005 and still commute every from Albany to the city in Auckland every day and i love it. Have been round the South Island with the wife on the back not an issue. And when I want to have fun I can, so to me the perfect all round bike and yes I have ridden the Busa and ZX12 both great bikes.

It all comes down to your own personal opinion, as simple as that.


cheers

Am going to have a quick look at one tomorrow and have a quick sit.

[nzspokes]

This looks nice but overpriced. Photo of the front makes it look like its smiling.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=664910211

[mossy1200]

This looks nice but overpriced. Photo of the front makes it look like its smiling.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=664910211

That's the same as the one I had. Mine also had Yoshi can but at the normal height.
Its a nice bike but the price is getting to close to a newer hyperbike.
Looks more like a 7.5k bike to me. At 7 to 7.5 you would say you had good bike for your dollars.

If these bikes are around 10k (approx) then the 12r at 9k is to dear.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-664723575.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-663653656.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-664567787.htm

[The Reibz]

My busa will be back on the road in 2 or 3 weeks. Come have a ride of that if you want.
ZX12's aren't bradaz bro, buy one and your next welding job will cost double. I might also start mistaking you for madness

[nzspokes]

That's the same as the one I had. Mine also had Yoshi can but at the normal height.
Its a nice bike but the price is getting to close to a newer hyperbike.
Looks more like a 7.5k bike to me. At 7 to 7.5 you would say you had good bike for your dollars.

If these bikes are around 10k (approx) then the 12r at 9k is to dear.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-664723575.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-663653656.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-664567787.htm

Its the front that I don't like on the 14s. Nothing personal. The 12 just looks better to me. But yes to expensive.

[mossy1200]

Its the front that I don't like on the 14s. Nothing personal. The 12 just looks better to me. But yes to expensive.

Yeah using 14 for price check only.
I like both the 12 and 14.

[nzspokes]

Looks like 14s are getting a blower...

[The Reibz]

Could you please post your source for that information? Or is it just a rumor?
This looks like its going to turn into another hyper bike thread...

[nzspokes]

Could you please post your source for that information? Or is it just a rumor?
This looks like its going to turn into another hyper bike thread...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2013/November/nov2013-kawasaki-unveil-supercharged-engine/

[insomnia01]

Blackbird you'll park it up and go and turn the telly on, if you know what I mean.

And the next day do ANOTHER 1000 miles & again & again.... thats all Blackbirds are good for while you stand in the garage all alone drinking your beer, now be a doll & turn the the telly on....

[AllanB]

1000cc feck supercharge a 1400 go whole hog.

[mossy1200]

1000cc feck supercharge a 1400 go whole hog.

Not a lot of information. Its just as likely to end up in the z1000.

Would need to be a 1400 engine to retain the zx14r zzr1400 label.

Question is how much power do they dare sell to the public.

[AllanB]

Not a lot of information. Its just as likely to end up in the z1000.

Would need to be a 1400 engine to retain the zx14r zzr1400 label.

Question is how much power do they dare sell to the public.

Agree re 14. I hope they do not go down the 80's path as the Japanese did with the turbos - apply them to small engines that acted like under powered 500/650/750's and 900's when on tap. Novelty only as a 900/1000 had all the grunt and power simpler and cheaper.

So the addition of a supercharger needs to result in something very special.

[mossy1200]

Agree re 14. I hope they do not go down the 80's path as the Japanese did with the turbos - apply them to small engines that acted like under powered 500/650/750's and 900's when on tap. Novelty only as a 900/1000 had all the grunt and power simpler and cheaper.

So the addition of a supercharger needs to result in something very special.
They are talking about the engine on zx14r sites.
Possible the charger will be a 600 motor for road bikes with power and torque equal to the zx10r but lighter.

[Ender EnZed]

Possible the charger will be a 600 motor for road bikes with power and torque equal to the zx10r but lighter.

It'd be pretty fucking surprising if they make a real step up on the current crop of litre bikes. I hope they do but a stupid-er powerful hypertourer seems a lot more likely.

[mossy1200]

Eaton supercharger 1498cc motor. 310 horsepower, in there Ultra 310 jet ski......bad ass!

Seems they already run a big bore SC in the top jet ski.

[nzspokes]

Sat on a Blackbird today, was good. Later I sat on a 09 Blade. Never thought i could ride one due to an problem wrist. Wrist is now a lot better. Im stunned to say the least I got on it and felt comfortable. I think that makes the ZX12 doable with comfort. Im pretty sure a ZX12 is in my future when the right bike comes along and the funds are right.

[Gremlin]

Possible the charger will be a 600 motor for road bikes with power and torque equal to the zx10r but lighter.
That would make the rego brackets a bit of a giggle :laugh:

[mossy1200]

That would make the rego brackets a bit of a giggle :laugh:

Run the charger in reverse to suck away power for a lams bike. Swap it when you have a full licence.

[sinned]

Had the Gen2 Busa coming up to 5 years and never regretted buying it. There are a few other bikes I would like but not if that means selling the Busa; it is just so good. So there is a good reason not to buy one - hard to change out from.

My yearning is to add an Adventure/ Dual purpose, a HOG and another decent naked to replace the Speedtriple I sold. We can all dream.

[Marmoot]

I tried both before, ended up choosing 05 Busa.
It handles better, more nimble, and less of a stretch to the handlebars.

But I suggest you try both. They are quite different from each other. See which one suits you better.

[ital916]

Had both, actually I owned Blackbird's (on here) blackbird and now have a busa. The Blackbird in my opinion is the nicer bike to commute on, more comfortable and bit better with stop start and splitting but also a little bit more zzz. The busa, doesn't lag far behind in the day to day usage but is hands down more fun to ride when wanting to blat around. In the end it's whichever one gives you the bigger boner.

[baffa]

Sat on a Blackbird today, was good. Later I sat on a 09 Blade. Never thought i could ride one due to an problem wrist. Wrist is now a lot better. Im stunned to say the least I got on it and felt comfortable. I think that makes the ZX12 doable with comfort. Im pretty sure a ZX12 is in my future when the right bike comes along and the funds are right.

Dont take a 1 litre bike for a ride. That will confuse the issue. Whilst they dont have the mid range to match the black/busa/kwaka, they have a nimble jekyll and hyde personality that is hard not to love.

You want a busa, just buy one. Then when you come to your senses, you can sell it after a year and buy a CBR1000RR.

Actually, I'd also suggest trying to track down a Honda Predator (CB1000R). kinda like a hornet on steriods.

[Tigadee]

Actually, I'd also suggest trying to track down a Honda Predator (CB1000R). kinda like a hornet on steriods.

Yum! That is a noice bike!!

[nzspokes]

Actually, I'd also suggest trying to track down a Honda Predator (CB1000R). kinda like a hornet on steriods.

Theres not a lot of difference between them. And another bike will be as well as the Hornet. Pretty set on a ZX12r.

[rustyblade]

Someone explain the logic of buying a 300kph bike for 100kph speed limited roads?

#1, it's a shedload of fun
#2, the average car when driven by someone who isn't a muppet will do a fair amount of over 100kph
#3, Track
#4, overtaking
#5, sometimes you just have to go a little crazy
#6, it's nice knowing you've ALWAYS got more power available when you need it. On tap. Immediately.

Other than those, it's like having a ridiculously high power PC that you don't have to upgrade as often.

[Big Dog]

Someone explain the logic of buying a 300kph bike for 100kph speed limited roads?

For me it was the simple mathematics of being able to buy a sports styled mile muncher that was actually big enough for me. Brakes that would haul you up so fast you needed to hold on to the tank with your nuts as well as your legs was a bonus.

Add to that, I owned it for 9 years and was still able to say I felt a genuine thrill every time I started it.
If finances weren't tight I'd still have her.


Feeling the hand of god in any gear from almost any speed is something quite special. :weep:

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