How much do you earn?

[Biff]

We've got a real cross section of society here, and it's a great mix, motorbikes being our common interest, a great leveller. Prompted by another current thread re' tax - I'd be interested to know a little more about the economic background of some of this site's members. Obviously we come from all walks of life, but I for one am a nosy bastard, and would love to know what the earnings range of people here is.

So the following poll is intended to illustrate, in confidence, how much we each earn a year.

Please be honest, don't include bonuses or overtime. I'm interested in knowing what your base salary is.

Thanks.

[sAsLEX]

what poll?? huh i dont see one

[Drunken Monkey]

what poll?? huh i dont see one


It's VERY confidential.

Do we put what our friendly accountant tells the tax man what we earn to keep our taxes down (I'm poor, honest!), or what we really get to play with?

[Biff]

what poll?? huh i dont see one

Slow down dude - shit you're quick off the mark!
There must have been all of 30 seconds before I posted the thread and the poll appearing!


It's VERY confidential.

Do we put what our friendly accountant tells the tax man what we earn to keep our taxes down (I'm poor, honest!), or what we really get to play with?

What your contracted salary is. And don't worry - I don't work for the IRD.

[Matt Bleck]

Not enough for a new bike. :no:

So it's off to the lotto shop, AGAIN!! That'll give me a couple of days of dreaming!

[vifferman]

It's VERY confidential.

Do we put what our friendly accountant tells the tax man what we earn to keep our taxes down (I'm poor, honest!), or what we really get to play with?
Hmmmm...
So far, I know that either Biff, Drunken Monkey or (less likely) sAsLEX says he earns between $40k and $50K.
What shall I put... :whistle:
Hmmmm.....
Do I put what I would've been earning before I made some dumb career choices ($80k+), or what I'll soon be earning once my boss finds out I do nothing all day ($0).....

[bugjuice]

where's the 'never enough' option?

[DemonWolf]

haha.. yeah once ya been caught yet again on the kiwibiker site @ work.. ignoring User Helpdesk calls.. and prefer playing with the servers!

[Beemer]

And the none of your business option? :nono:

[sAsLEX]

Hmmmm...
So far, I know that either Biff, Drunken Monkey or (less likely) sAsLEX says he earns between $40k and $50K.


close one bracket off but hey I am still a student so what do you expect!

[Lou Girardin]

Individual or household?

[Biff]

And the none of your business option? :nono:

You select it by simply moving onto another thread. :wait:


Individual or household?

Individual please Lou.

[dhunt]

What I do if I'm studying and earn money at the same time? Very useful scheme as it keeps me with new toys :2thumbsup & able to save towards a new bike (hopefully next year) :ride: :ride:

[Drunken Monkey]

close one bracket off but hey I am still a student so what do you expect!

He assumed each one of us answered the poll when we posted. When I looked at the poll, if you, sAsLEX, were not the one who ticked $40-50K, then you must have been on 100+!

Edit: assuming everyone is honest, of course!

[Biff]

What I do if I'm studying and earn money at the same time? Very useful scheme as it keeps me with new toys :2thumbsup & able to save towards a new bike (hopefully next year) :ride: :ride:

A question I was just wondering myself - I suggest you select that you're a student. And that all full time students should. Part time stundents should select the appropriate salary please,

Ta.

[Sniper]

I earn enough to pay my bail if I need to lol

[k1w1nzl]

it's never enough :violin:

[sAsLEX]

A question I was just wondering myself - I suggest you select that you're a student. And that all full time students should. Part time stundents should select the appropriate salary please,

Ta.

oh well I am a full time student on a salary so picked my salary, sorry

[placidfemme]

*wants to be one of the ones ticking the $100K+ option :(*

[Ms Piggy]

I'm a student but that's not really relevant to how much I earn so I didn't put myself in that category. I'm one of the "lucky" ones who has a well paying job and is eligable for full student alowance (possibly could be my maturity). So I tend not to struggle too much for a student. I don't know how some survive though...don't get me started on the injustices of student allowance!!

[Suney]

For the people who earn $100k +
What are you jobs?

[ManDownUnder]

For the people who earn $100k +
What are you jobs?

SW Sales Manager, Auckland base, Global territory (read "works day and night - when not on kb")

Degree qualified, + time in industry + right person at the right time when the job came up.

Use the philosophy that the best time to find a job is when you don't need one... so they have to induce you into the one they're offering (read PAYRISE and more holidays).

[Blackbird]

For the people who earn $100k +
What are you jobs?


I look after the technical side of marketing for the Carter Holt (Sorry, Graeme Hart :yawn: ) pulpmills south of Tokoroa and at Kawerau. I'm a mechanical engineer and also have a post-grad qual in Quality Systems, but blundered into marketing 4 years ago when I got pissed off with being continuously called out in the middle of the night on maintenance issues. Doors just opened at the right time in my career and I think that's the secret. If you set your sights too narrow, there are all sorts of external influences that will stuff your plans up.

[ManDownUnder]

SW Sales Manager, Auckland base, Global territory (read "works day and night - when not on kb")

Degree qualified, + time in industry + right person at the right time when the job came up.

Use the philosophy that the best time to find a job is when you don't need one... so they have to induce you into the one they're offering (read PAYRISE and more holidays).

Additional notes...
1) Work your arse of when you need to...
2) I'm more than happy to help others reach this income level too. It's actually not hard if you're willing to put in the hard yards to start with - an education, and a career plan.

[enigma51]

I do stuff and get paid for it what can I say life is a bitch

[Fart]

The poll needs changing.

Not everyone that dont work are on welfare. Some choose not to work, so they can.

[ManDownUnder]

The poll needs changing.

Not everyone that dont work are on welfare. Some choose not to work, so they can.

How can you do that without a source of income...?

[Fart]

How can you do that without a source of income...?

Maybe one has enough capital to have a comfortable life. The source of income can come from investing your existing capital and receiving interest and/or capital gains on your investments.

[bugjuice]

so how does one go about getting one of these $100+ jobbies..?? I will stoop low..

[ManDownUnder]

so how does one go about getting one of these $100+ jobbies..?? I will stoop low..

Stand proud...

[Fart]

so how does one go about getting one of these $100+ jobbies..?? I will stoop low..

You first have to stop having signatures of smilies with cum juice on eachother.. LOL :rofl:

[enigma51]

so how does one go about getting one of these $100+ jobbies..?? I will stoop low..

You dont have to change anything then :yawn:

[bugjuice]

Stand proud...
tried that.. and look where it got me.. have to try summut else..


You first have to stop having signatures of smilies with cum juice on eachother.. LOL :rofl:
you kiddin? it'll make me rich one day..
plus, I might be broke, but laughter is free..


You dont have to change anything then :yawn:
*insert cat noise here*.. sourcer of milk, table 5.. lol..

[ManDownUnder]

Maybe one has enough capital to have a comfortable life. The source of income can come from investing your existing capital and receiving interest and/or capital gains on your investments.

yeah - I think we're talking symantics here... I see any returns on investments etc as income.

I also see capital gains as something you can't take to the shop and spend - till you sell up or borrow against it...at which point it (again) becomes a return on your investment... and a source of income.

Just my view.

[texmo]

If your the best at what you do you can earn over 100k with ease. My dad was an electrican then started his own company, he has a nice house in Arch hill, a batch on the water at mangawhai head and a ferrari, not bad for a sparky?

[TonyB]

If your the best at what you do you can earn over 100k with ease. My dad was an electrican then started his own company, he has a nice house in Arch hill, a batch on the water at mangawhai head and a ferrari, not bad for a sparky?
Man- I must be crap at what I do...

[ManDownUnder]

If your the best at what you do you can earn over 100k with ease. My dad was an electrican then started his own company, he has a nice house in Arch hill, a batch on the water at mangawhai head and a ferrari, not bad for a sparky?

top man!

And a bloody good example of what I'm talking about... AN Y ONE can do it... millionaires are actually a dime a dozen... we all know one - you just gotta know what you're looking for.

[Biff]

For the people who earn $100k +
What are you jobs?

Poncy job title. I talk to intersting people from interesting countries about how crap their govts mobile communications infrastructures are. Then I ask them to give me (well - my employers) lots of money for the privilage of being told this.

A long time in university, 12 years doing the same kind of thing, but base my day to day work ethic on one simple principle......Bullshit baffles brains.

[Sniper]

A long time in university, 12 years doing the same kind of thing, but base my day to day work ethic on one simple principle......Bullshit baffles brains.

I baffel brains daily with my bullshit and I generally just get told off or people walk away from me. Hmmmm

[Two Smoker]

How much do i earn??? Go ask the accountants at Colemans... they see virtually all of my money... (seriously they do...)

[Two Smoker]

Oh yeah... those that are on 100k+.... how about helping a poor young racer out with some sponsership :niceone: :yes: ????

[Drunken Monkey]

Oh yeah... those that are on 100k+.... how about helping a poor young racer out with some sponsership :niceone: :yes: ????

No. We have our own, more expensive hobbies to fund.

[oldrider]

Im your 1 on the benifit (pension) didn't know where else to put it. Cheers John. :violin: :devil2:

[Drunken Monkey]

I wonder how our numbers stack up to the national averages? (Assuming every answer has been honest, of course)

[SPORK]

No. We have our own, more expensive hobbies to fund.
That coupled with your posts about drugs in the Marc Ellis thread makes me think I know what you mean?

Say no more say no more! Know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!

[Drunken Monkey]

That coupled with your posts about drugs in the Marc Ellis thread makes me think I know what you mean?

Say no more say no more! Know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!

Busted! :eek5:

[Biff]

I wonder how our numbers stack up to the national averages? (Assuming every answer has been honest, of course)

According to Google, on average, for the number of people that have casted a vote so far, we earn above the national average - by quite a bit. If (as you rightly commented) people here are indeed telling the truth.

[scumdog]

I baffel brains daily with my bullshit and I generally just get told off or people walk away from me. Hmmmm

Yeah but I suspect you're not meant to baffle your OWN brain too!! Sheesh! :wait: :rofl:

[ManDownUnder]

According to Google, on average, for the number of people that have casted a vote so far, we earn above the national average - by quite a bit. If (as you rightly commented) people here are indeed telling the truth.

I think our demographic would possibly skew the income level anyway.
1) Motorcyclists (presumably those with a modicum of disposable income?)
2) Those with access to a PC (same thing re income)
3) PC Literate...

etc
?

Talking through my bum as usual here, but the results don't really surprise me
MDU

[Motu]

I think our demographic would possibly skew the income level anyway.
1) Motorcyclists (presumably those with a modicum of disposable income?)
2) Those with access to a PC (same thing re income)
3) PC Literate...

etc
?

Talking through my bum as usual here, but the results don't really surprise me
MDU

Um,no - not for me.

1) I have no disposable income,never have.To me bikes have always been something I do on the cheap,buy wrecks and fix them for my own use.

2) A PC is part of my job,and has been forced apon me.

3) PC literacy is not a term I would use to describe what I do with a computer.

[chickenfunkstar]

I'd drag the average down a bit.
I think i'm on about 12K at the moment.

[Virago]

top man!

And a bloody good example of what I'm talking about... AN Y ONE can do it... millionaires are actually a dime a dozen... we all know one - you just gotta know what you're looking for.
Yes, you're right - ANYONE can do it. But (and this is the key issue), EVERYONE can't.

A democratic economy is a little like a "pyramid" wealth creation scheme, or pyramid-based selling schemes. The reality is that there is only a certain amount of money to share around. ANYONE can rise to the top, but not EVERYONE.

If all members of society did their very best, there would of course be greater wealth to share around. But any suggestion that we could ALL be millionaires is naive in the extreme.

Anything above pure Communism will always result in a have / have not society. The closer you get to a free-market economy, the greater the imbalances. For every millionaire, there has to be 100's of people in poverty. For those casualties, being told "anyone can do it" is of little consolation.

(End rant)

[ManDownUnder]

3) PC literacy is not a term I would use to describe what I do with a computer.

I'm scared to think what Buggy or Biff will do with that line...

[ManDownUnder]

Yes, you're right - ANYONE can do it. But (and this is the key issue), EVERYONE can't.

A democratic economy is a little like a "pyramid" wealth creation scheme, or pyramid-based selling schemes. The reality is that there is only a certain amount of money to share around. ANYONE can rise to the top, but not EVERYONE.

If all members of society did their very best, there would of course be greater wealth to share around. But any suggestion that we could ALL be millionaires is naive in the extreme.

Anything above pure Communism will always result in a have / have not society. The closer you get to a free-market economy, the greater the imbalances. For every millionaire, there has to be 100's of people in poverty. For those casualties, being told "anyone can do it" is of little consolation.

(End rant)

Gotta disagree with you on that one.

The amount of money "going around" ain't a fixed amount. If the country was full of highly trained specialists (in their respective areas) we'd all be charging each other more for the services being offered... and we'd also be earning higher dollars for everything we offer (goods and services) overseas - the nett income into the Country would exceed to expediture by a greater margin that it currently does... and we'd all be better off...

Or did I miss something?

[Virago]

Gotta disagree with you on that one.

The amount of money "going around" ain't a fixed amount. If the country was full of highly trained specialists (in their respective areas) we'd all be charging each other more for the services being offered... and we'd also be earning higher dollars for everything we offer (goods and services) overseas - the nett income into the Country would exceed to expediture by a greater margin that it currently does... and we'd all be better off...

Or did I miss something?
If we could all charge more for our respective services, where is the nett gain?

A working mother earning $30+ an hour relies on paying someone $10 an hour for childcare or housework.

Haves / have nots.....

[Ixion]

Gotta disagree with you on that one.

The amount of money "going around" ain't a fixed amount. If the country was full of highly trained specialists (in their respective areas) we'd all be charging each other more for the services being offered... and we'd also be earning higher dollars for everything we offer (goods and services) overseas - the nett income into the Country would exceed to expediture by a greater margin that it currently does... and we'd all be better off...

Or did I miss something?

True, but what I think Mr VV meant was, that even if the amount of wealth in the country increases (and thus, as you say, we're all better off), there will still be those who are relatively richer. Nowdays , even poor people have a standard of living beyond the dreams of the wealthiest people of 200 years ago. But we still have rich and poor. Increase the overall wealth of the country, and we will still have rich and poor. The poor will be richer than they are now, perhaps even as rich as the rich are now, but the rich will be richer still . So the (now richer) "poor" will still feel agrieved that they are not as rich as the (now richer) rich

Until everybody becoems a Communist, like me.

[Ixion]

Doesn't anyone else find this thread vaguely unpleasant?

In my experience, income is not always related to one's actual contribution to society and/or the economy. There tends to be a correlation, but there is no inviolable causality involved.

In other words, to take a random example, there are lots of cunts with 'marketing' in their job titles getting paid six figures to sit around all day with their dicks in their hands, taking credit for the work of others.

As a general empirical rule (with a few notable exceptions) I find that, much as I would like it to be otherwise, the wealthier someone is, the more I will dislike them personally.

[/re-lurk]


Hey, come back here. Where you delurk from ? Y' can't just delurk and run, without telling us what you've been up to. We've MISSED you !

[Lou Girardin]

If we could all charge more for our respective services, where is the nett gain?

A working mother earning $30+ an hour relies on paying someone $10 an hour for childcare or housework.

Haves / have nots.....

To quote Eddie Vedder, "The haves, have not a clue"

[ManDownUnder]

If we could all charge more for our respective services, where is the nett gain?

A working mother earning $30+ an hour relies on paying someone $10 an hour for childcare or housework.

Haves / have nots.....

The nett gain starts at Macro level (GDP being higher - more money into NZ than out)... which then filters down to us plebs, which in turn manifests itself as us being able to charge more for our various services (as we do now - there is still money in doing that).

If you spend 30% of your income on a service, I'd rather have 30% of $100,000 than $30% of 30,000.

If you're buying locally made products, same theory applies

If you're purchasing goods imported the cost of those goods is going to appear a lot lower (you income has gone up, but the price imported goods stays the same... ish) so they're dirt cheap!

MDU

[TonyB]

The problem with communism:
-it discourages excellence- why become a surgeon when you're on the same money as the street sweeper outside?
-it encourages apathy- see above
-it never works because those in power become corrupt and end up living like kings.
-if it's such a great system, why do they build walls and fences and have border patrols to try and keep their people in?

Not saying that capitalism is perfect either. As someone mentioned before, there seem to be massive differences in pay rates. One person can work their butt off, have to be at work exactly on time or face reporcussions, and only get $30k a year, while others can sit behind a desk playing on the net, go out and play golf, have 3 hour lunch breaks, arrive late, leave early and pull $100k plus.

[mattt]

Mmmm - Income.
I earn a very average wage and am relatively young, but that doesn't determine the type of person I am. I've been through 30 countries and had some good opportunities. It's all about priorities in life.
I've met a lot of very wealthy people and don't envy them. Basically some of them are DICKS.

A lot of the time people rate their life by how much they earn. My partners friend's Dad is a top heart surgeon. He earns around 4 million. Nice house / boat blah blah blah. He doesn't allow any of his daughters friends over after 8pm and no phone calls because of the high stress. He'll probably have a heart attack or breakdown before he's 50. Fuck that.
I'd probably rather earn less than 40k doing 40hours stress free, than 100k over 70hrs and have no life.... neglect your wife , kids etc

think that made sense.....

[Blackbird]

....while others can sit behind a desk playing on the net, go out and play golf, have 3 hour lunch breaks, arrive late, leave early and pull $100k plus.

I'm sure you're right Tony but on the other hand, spending a lot of years at varsity with bugger all income, followed by 60 hour weeks for 30+ years isn't totally cushy either. Oh yeah, and I'm typing this whilst munching a sandwich for lunch and I can't bloody play golf either! My current job is a lot cushier than previous ones but as I'm only a couple of years from semi-retiring, I'd like to think that it's a nice way of gently winding down :rofl: :rofl:

Geoff

[Virago]

The nett gain starts at Macro level (GDP being higher - more money into NZ than out)... which then filters down to us plebs, which in turn manifests itself as us being able to charge more for our various services (as we do now - there is still money in doing that).

If you spend 30% of your income on a service, I'd rather have 30% of $100,000 than $30% of 30,000.

If you're buying locally made products, same theory applies

If you're purchasing goods imported the cost of those goods is going to appear a lot lower (you income has gone up, but the price imported goods stays the same... ish) so they're dirt cheap!

MDU
See my example of the working mother above - percentages don't come into it at all.

[Motu]

And how does that compare to spending years as an appretice earning a pittance doing the shittiest jobs,going to nightschool and studying in you own time....funding your tool kit out of your own pocket.After all that you getting to earn with luck if you're good enough the average wage? No wonder trades are disappearing,no one would put up with that for no return.

[ManDownUnder]

And how does that compare to spending years as an appretice earning a pittance doing the shittiest jobs,going to nightschool and studying in you own time....funding your tool kit out of your own pocket.After all that you getting to earn with luck if you're good enough the average wage? No wonder trades are disappearing,no one would put up with that for no return.

Funny - you've just (exactly) described my life between 1986 and 1990 - including night school.

I went on to University to earn BUGGER ALL between 1990 and 1994, and yet here I am - one of "the fortunate few"

It is the very fact that "no one would put up with that" that puts me in this position. I DID put up with it, I made the most of it, and I didn't stop pushing till I got what I wanted.

I paid my way through Uni (no parental help there), I paid the first of the high fees and I walked into a labour market with an ok, but not oustanding set of prospects.

I took some risks, some you lose and some you win... and here I am 11 years later "one of the lucky ones".

See what I ride - a '94 RF900 costing the princely sum of $6,300. Not a lot considering what I'm earning, but then I'm busy paying off other investments - again - working toward the future of me and mine.

Living for today is fine, but if you don't keep an eye on the future, nothing will have changed when you get there
MDU
PS - no - this ain't a "woe is me" story - this is called life - my life and it's been fun so far - apart from that week I lived on Potatoes and rice

[ManDownUnder]

If we could all charge more for our respective services, where is the nett gain?

A working mother earning $30+ an hour relies on paying someone $10 an hour for childcare or housework.



Sure it applies - the mother earns more and can afford a larger part of her salary on things like childcare so the childminder also put their fees up.

Let's say Mum goes from $30 to $33 an hour, and nanny from $10 to $11 (both get a 10% pay rise, and both are better off.

The nanny could go for a 30% pay rise before the mother is worse off (but she'd be more tempted to find a cheaper nanny at that point...)

[scumdog]

How much do I earn? Just enough to keep me comfortably in the poverty in which I am accustomed to be living in...

Use to earn lots less at times, lowest ebb? - $535 in the hand for a month of tree planting when we had a lot of snow, the mrs and kids had it hard then.

[Blackbird]

Funny - you've just (exactly) described my life between 1986 and 1990 - including night school.

SNAP. I was an indentured Fitter/Turner before I went on to get a tertiary education and experienced all the things Motu described and then did it all again in my 20's.

[MikeL]

Nothing interesting. I don't have one-a them murder sickles these days, therefore no time or motivation to contribute.



Welcome back, Dan (albeit probably briefly).
You could always acquire additional motivation to contribute...

[Drunken Monkey]

...I've met a lot of very wealthy people and don't envy them. Basically some of them are DICKS......

People can be 'DICKS' irrespective of their earnings.


...As a general empirical rule (with a few notable exceptions) I find that, much as I would like it to be otherwise, the wealthier someone is, the more I will dislike them personally.

And yet another generalisation; see above.

As a general empirical rule (with a few notable exceptions) I find that, as much as I would like it to be otherwise, the poorer someone is, the more likely they are going to be a theiving scumbag or lazy-arse layabout begging for another government handout


In my experience, income is not always related to one's actual contribution to society and/or the economy. There tends to be a correlation, but there is no inviolable causality involved.

Nor is income related to how many hours you put into a job or how many calories you burn carrying out your job. Hard work, when it comes to earning potential, doesn't mean physical labour and/or long hours. Akin to 'work smarter, not harder'.

[Oscar]

Mmmm - Income.
I earn a very average wage and am relatively young, but that doesn't determine the type of person I am. I've been through 30 countries and had some good opportunities. It's all about priorities in life.
I've met a lot of very wealthy people and don't envy them. Basically some of them are DICKS.

A lot of the time people rate their life by how much they earn. My partners friend's Dad is a top heart surgeon. He earns around 4 million. Nice house / boat blah blah blah. He doesn't allow any of his daughters friends over after 8pm and no phone calls because of the high stress. He'll probably have a heart attack or breakdown before he's 50. Fuck that.
I'd probably rather earn less than 40k doing 40hours stress free, than 100k over 70hrs and have no life.... neglect your wife , kids etc

think that made sense.....

I know what you mean.
Some years ago an (ex)mate turned up to talk about a "business opportunity". As I worked for a finance company at the time, I assumed that he wanted me to analyse a loan application or business purchase for him. It turned out, he wanted to talk to me about Amway...prick!

He was flummoxed when I told him that I already earned enough, and I didn't want to spend any more time working. He couldn't understand that I was happy with my lot...

[Hitcher]

Get thee behind me.
A cameo appearance AND double entendre...

[Biff]

Welcome back Mr Random.

[TonyB]

I was an indentured Fitter/Turner... So did having false teeth affect your earning capacity??

[Motoracer]

I'm not back. I am a figment of your imagination. The hallucinations will stop in due course.

And anyway, just argue with me already. Jeez. I imply that you're all a bunch of selfish playa-hating capitalist swine and all anyone can do is go on about how glad they are to see me?

Buncha pussies.

F*ck you, you don't have a bike. We don't welcome your kind, around here!

P.S. Hollycrap! I've got more rep points than you! LOL I didn't think I'd see the day..

[Lou Girardin]

So did having false teeth affect your earning capacity??

In some professions it's an absolute benefit.

[Lou Girardin]

I'm not back. I am a figment of your imagination. The hallucinations will stop in due course.

And anyway, just argue with me already. Jeez. I imply that you're all a bunch of selfish playa-hating capitalist swine and all anyone can do is go on about how glad they are to see me?

Buncha pussies.

Say something I disagree with, tosser. :dodge:

[Motoracer]

That's the spirit. Come get some, you scrawny squid!

F*ckin fat arse! Or maybe not... Did bicycling around in your tights pay off, after all?

[Lou Girardin]

I'm working only a few doors down from AMPS now, you know. I'll wander in the next time I'm wearing my KB T-shirt, say hello and loudly claim that Buells don't handle.

Better still, say that your Heritage Softail will outhandle any of those gay plastic sprotbikes that all the leather wearing pooftahs ride.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm not back. I am a figment of your imagination. The hallucinations will stop in due course.

And anyway, just argue with me already. Jeez. I imply that you're all a bunch of selfish playa-hating capitalist swine and all anyone can do is go on about how glad they are to see me?

Buncha pussies.

WHOA jimmy....

Methinks you need to have a few less coffees in a day...

[Motoracer]

WHOA jimmy....

Methinks you need to have a few less coffees in a day...

Na mate, he's just on the rag. Give him a few days, and he'll come right.

[Riff Raff]

I imply that you're all a bunch of selfish playa-hating capitalist swine and all anyone can do is go on about how glad they are to see me?
I'm not!!! Honestly, if people up and leave us then they should stay leaved, or summat. How the hell are you anyway?

[Virago]

.......It turned out, he wanted to talk to me about Amway...prick!...
I've had a few people wanting to offer me those "business opportunities" - you've got to laugh at the idiots that get sucked into those pyramid selling schemes. :rofl:

Pure Capitalism gone mad, where "you too could earn $20,000 a month". Yeah, right........ .

[scumdog]

I've had a few people wanting to offer me those "business opportunities" - you've got to laugh at the idiots that get sucked into those pyramid selling schemes. :rofl:

Pure Capitalism gone mad, where "you too could earn $20,000 a month". Yeah, right........ .

Hey V=V, are you coming down this way for the Pissed Penguin this weekend?? if so I've got this bridge that's for sale....l

[Virago]

Sure it applies - the mother earns more and can afford a larger part of her salary on things like childcare so the childminder also put their fees up.

Let's say Mum goes from $30 to $33 an hour, and nanny from $10 to $11 (both get a 10% pay rise, and both are better off.

The nanny could go for a 30% pay rise before the mother is worse off (but she'd be more tempted to find a cheaper nanny at that point...)
Yep, both get a 10% pay rise and are better off. Not!!!!!!!

Mum buys nanny's business service, and is $2 an hour better of than before the rise. Nanny buy's mum's professional service and is $2 an hour worse off.

We all have to pay for services, and the cost of those services rise with pay rates. The above example is a classic case of those at the bottom being worse off when the cost of services rise.

[Biff]

And anyway, just argue with me already. Jeez. I imply that you're all a bunch of selfish playa-hating capitalist swine and all anyone can do is go on about how glad they are to see me?

Buncha pussies.

You love us really. We make you feel all wanted, because no one else wants you, because you don't own a bike and you have a shit job. Oh and you're over weight too.


How am I doing?

[ZorsT]

real wealth is measured by how often you can skip work without losing the house

[ManDownUnder]

real wealth is measured by how often you can skip work without losing the house

Na mate - that's monetary wealth.

Real wealth is measured by the number of tears at your funeral...

Huge difference, and the two can be completely exclusive of each other

[Biff]

real wealth is measured by how often you can skip work without losing the house

That makes me a Squillionnaire!

[Oscar]

Na mate - that's monetary wealth.

Real wealth is measured by the number of creditors at your funeral...




Fixed... :devil2:

[ManDownUnder]

Fixed... :devil2:

You should have left them as crying creditors....

[WINJA]

WHOS MADE $100,000 A YEAR FROM AMWAY?

[Hitcher]

Buncha pussies.
Eat my jocks.

[Hitcher]

Over the course of my working life, I've arguably performed a few several-hour-long tasks upon the success or failure of which millions of dollars hinged.
I note that around here is not the only place the grammar/syntax police appear to have absented themselves...

You've got slack in your absence. We have standards around here up with which we must keep!

[ManDownUnder]

WHOS MADE $100,000 A YEAR FROM AMWAY?

No-one that I know.

Bet there'd be good money in WINJaway though...

[MikeL]

Oh dear. Arse-bitten by my own misplaced 'which'. Who woulda thunk it.

Unless you've edited your original sentence I see absolutely nothing wrong with your relative pronoun, about the position of which in the sentence no criticism can possibly be entertained, unless it be on the grounds of deliberate pedantry...

[Hitcher]

Dude, if *your* professional life consisted entirely of issuing press reports on Lesser Fuddled Grasswort infestations in the Lower Nihotipu, you'd probably be a pedant too.
Hey, I represent that! And it's the UPPER Nihotipu, by the way...

[Lou Girardin]

Real wealth is measured by the number of tears at your funeral...


In other words, how many people you owed money to when you karked it.

[Big Dave]

Bet there'd be good money in WINJaway though...


Caustic and abrasive compounds applied to Police?

[Big Dave]

tears, funerals, friends?
Bullshit.
'The man in the world who is richest - is the one with the most MONEY.'

[Pixie]

Is you a revenooer?

[MikeL]

Having dropped this year to a third of my previous income I am now officially poor.
Being poor means no $25 bottles of wine, no overseas holidays, no new car, no new furniture...
But I've got 2 bikes, weekends free for riding, a house full of books and music, a couple of part-time jobs and university study that provide intellectual stimulation and social satisfaction...
The trouble with being wealthy is that enough is never enough.

[Hitcher]

The trouble with being wealthy is that enough is never enough.
A nice lifestyle. I, on the other hand, have sold my soul to The Man...

[mikey]

A nice lifestyle. I, on the other hand, have sold my soul to The Man...

you dont need a soul mate, or not as long as you got good dollar for it

[parsley]

As a general empirical rule (with a few notable exceptions) I find that, much as I would like it to be otherwise, the wealthier someone is, the more I will dislike them personally.
You must really hate yourself then, you capitalist pigdog. :woohoo:

[Big Dave]

'All I ask is for the opportunity to *prove* that money doesn't buy you happiness' - Milligan, S.