Croz build on Bike EXIF

[Smifffy]

http://www.bikeexif.com/kawasaki-z1a?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Bikeexif+%28Bike+EXIF%29

http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Kawasaki-z1a.jpg

[Paul in NZ]

No good for me - I'd lose my license in 5 mins on that....

[Big Dave]

FWIW there is an interview with Mr Bike EXIF in Kiwi Rider this month.

[Katman]

Would look better if it were kept original.

[F5 Dave]

I don't always care for 'original' but an attempt at 'period' would suit my bent (and the owner can have any interpretation he wants, its his bike).

But if I'm going to offer my opinion - & this is KB & a friday afternoon!

Modern wheels ok. Maybe something a little more 'Morris' straight spoke looking.
USDs, meh, lose them & fit cartridged RWUs, say Thunderace
AP brakes (or even ThAce) & non wavy discs
Non Ti exh
What the F is up with those crap looking shocks? Did they cheap out at the poor end of Hagon's range?

Lose the nasty anodised throttle.
Maybe a shallow brace on the SW, nothing too gawdy.

[nodrog]

I don't always care for 'original' but an attempt at 'period' would suit my bent (and the owner can have any interpretation he wants, its his bike).

But if I'm going to offer my opinion - & this is KB & a friday afternoon!

Modern wheels ok. Maybe something a little more 'Morris' straight spoke looking.
USDs, meh, lose them & fit cartridged RWUs, say Thunderace
AP brakes (or even ThAce) & non wavy discs
Non Ti exh
What the F is up with those crap looking shocks? Did they cheap out at the poor end of Hagon's range?

Lose the nasty anodised throttle.
Maybe a shallow brace on the SW, nothing too gawdy.

I think he wanted to use Kawasaki stuff by the looks.

[jellywrestler]

Would look better if it were kept original.

if ya did ya research he does both side by side, some old peices of shit aren't worth bringing back as they were these days too

[kinger]

Don't like the pipes. Looks like a tomcat with the belly he gets when his nuts have been chopped off.

[Grumph]

I see that build is a Z1A - you can do what you like with those, no one cares...

I was visited by a group going to the Burt the other day. All from round Towelronga i think.
One was riding a Z1 just bought off Croz - bog standard restoration. Still running in I think.
It was going to need points and cam chain adjustments by the time they got to Invercargill...

I was not game to ask what it cost....

[Katman]

some old peices of shit aren't worth bringing back as they were these days too

Pick the right ones and I can't see them becoming any cheaper.

Once you bastardise a model it's value basically stops there.

[jellywrestler]

Pick the right ones and I can't see them becoming any cheaper.

Once you bastardise a model it's value basically stops there.
define Value
Monetary or memory??????

i'd have an old Z900 in standard form for the days the backs ok and it's not raining and my piles aren't on the hurt

and a Z900 croz modified for those other days so there's merit in both camps.

[AllanB]

A vast improvement on the original. I very much like the oldies fettled with modern running gear. :yes:

[roogazza]

if ya did ya research he does both side by side, some old peices of shit aren't worth bringing back as they were these days too

So true Spyda, I like the look of this thing. Gotta be better than it was in what, 1972 ?
Most of those old girls feel like crap to ride nowdays,lets be honest !
I have a mate who rebuilt an old H2 ,spent a fortune on it ! First ride out was his last,he said it felt very average.
Mind you I'd like one in the shed to look at.

[F5 Dave]

I think he wanted to use Kawasaki stuff by the looks.
Ok use zxr9 bits then. Front end just looks different to rest of bike. Again it's the owners choice, not mine.

[MIXONE]

I would own one in a heartbeat.

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The shocks look out of place compared to the front end, apart from that it looks great.

[98tls]

A vast improvement on the original. I very much like the oldies fettled with modern running gear. :yes:

Amen to that,would love to read a write up of how it rides.Love the looks though would change a few things if mine ie get rid of anything chrome and make it black incl of the rims.Original is nice but in a so is your grandmother way.

[Oscar]

Would look better if it were kept original.

Like this....?

http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Z1a/i-bKZLNC8/0/M/IMG_3830-M.jpg

[98tls]

As i said.

[Katman]

Like this....?



Yep, like that.

How much will that be worth in 10 years, 20 years......?

[jellywrestler]

Yep, like that.

How much will that be worth in 10 years, 20 years......?

fuck all really, in twenty years everything will be battery powered and shit like this will be consigned to the shed as there wont be anything available to run it...

[98tls]

Yep, like that.

How much will that be worth in 10 years, 20 years......?

Not as much as the fun you have had riding the fucked around with one.

[Oscar]

Yep, like that.

How much will that be worth in 10 years, 20 years......?

There's two nice Zia's on Aussie Ebay with asking prices of AU$15,000 & AU$19,990, right now.

[Katman]

fuck all really, in twenty years everything will be battery powered and shit like this will be consigned to the shed as there wont be anything available to run it...

By that stage everything you think is cool will be consigned to history.

It's a matter of actually having some history - not someone's version of history.

[jasonu]

By that stage everything you think is cool will be consigned to history.

It's a matter of actually having some history - not someone's version of history.

A worn out old katana is not necessarily history just because it is old.

[98tls]

A worn out old katana is not necessarily history just because it is old.

Can remember my old man pulling up in the driveway on a brand spanking new one and thinking fuck thats ugly,straight outta the future it was and ironically all these years into the future tis still fucking ugly,some of the bastardized ones ive seen pics of look ok but.Historys fine but point is when we are all part of it it wont mean shit.

[AllanB]

This one has been on my 'who need's Viagra with bikes like this' list for a while.

[Kickaha]

This one has been on my 'who need's Viagra with bikes like this' list for a while.

Rear end styling looks like shit

[slowpoke]

It's a matter of actually having some history - not someone's version of history.

Fuck off, it's not like it's the last in the World. Or even NZ. Come to think of it every 3 pub town in NZ has a decent Z900 so one more or less isn't gonna make a PeeWee50 worth of difference. They are the Mustang of motorcycles, a defining vehicle in historical context but there are fuckin' millions of 'em around so if someone chooses to modify it to make it actually ride half decent then good on 'em, at least we get to see it rather than have it tucked away in the shed on cracked old cross plies.

[Katman]

Fuck off, it's not like it's the last in the World. Or even NZ. Come to think of it every 3 pub town in NZ has a decent Z900 so one more or less isn't gonna make a PeeWee50 worth of difference. They are the Mustang of motorcycles, a defining vehicle in historical context but there are fuckin' millions of 'em around so if someone chooses to modify it to make it actually ride half decent then good on 'em, at least we get to see it rather than have it tucked away in the shed on cracked old cross plies.

Don't bust a blood vessel dude.

I just happen to prefer classic bikes in their original form.

[Katman]

On second thoughts, maybe there should be a whole lot more people customizing classics.

The unmolested ones would become even more valuable.

[slowpoke]

Don't bust a blood vessel dude.

I just happen to prefer classic bikes in their original form.

Doesn't worry me, I'm just happy to see a bike being enjoyed instead of stuck in a glass box.


On second thoughts, maybe there should be a whole lot more people customizing classics.

The unmolested ones would become even more valuable.

Cool, enjoy your counting your hypothetical cash, the rest of us are off for a ride instead.

[F5 Dave]

People get obsessed with std as some religious sect. Factory spec must be observed. Ok so maybe they always wanted one and that's their right.

But they can fucjk right off if they tell others what is right (unless it's plain crass). I'm building my resto how I want it. Someone else's version of history, but that someone is me! and I'm not looking at bikes as an investment.

[Oscar]

Man, people on both sides of this argument get very excited:baby:

Me, I've got some old bikes and I just ride 'em.
Some are bog standard - R80g/s - and some are modified - Xt500 (better shocks and bars), and so on...

If I find one that needs work, I'd be tempted to do the modification thing (the XT needs more power!) and if it was mint (like the Beemer), it's gonna stay that way.

[AllanB]

People get obsessed with std as some religious sect. Factory spec must be observed. Ok so maybe they always wanted one and that's their right.

But they can fucjk right off if they tell others what is right (unless it's plain crass). I'm building my resto how I want it. Someone else's version of history, but that someone is me! and I'm not looking at bikes as an investment.


Darn right. I've never owned a bike that I have not modified in some form to suit myself, be it suspension, cosmetics, bars, mirrors etc etc to make it preform better, fit better or just look better (to ones own eye).

The factory product is always a compromise between economics and trying to universally fit all potential buyers.

It is nice to have a original museum piece or two however there are some obsessive people out there - I a while back about a US concourse car that the owner had established how each fucking bolt was strung up and painted so where he restored it he could replicate the angle and get the thicker paint build-up of the 'drip' factory correct. That's just friggen mental.

[gammaguy]

fuck all really, in twenty years everything will be battery powered and shit like this will be consigned to the shed as there wont be anything available to run it...

Yeah they said that twenty years ago too.....

[Katman]

......and I'm not looking at bikes as an investment.

Me neither (at least, not for my profit - none of mine will be sold while I'm alive).

It will be nice to know though that eventually each one will return the most that could be expected of it, given what it is.

[AllanB]

The Japanese classics are heading upward in $ value. Clean original spec Nortons fetch big $, Triumphs are still affordable.

It would be a bit of a gamble picking the next high flyer though. I'd had said some years back grab a first model GPZ900r - would have been a bad choice as an investment. You'd think a game changer like the first GSXR750 (86 I think) would be getting good coin, not really mind you can you find one?

[F5 Dave]

H1 ZXR750 with the Hoover pipes. Step into Jellys garage and you might find what several people would call investments but you know they will be ridden at some stage.

[Richard Mc F]

Like this....?

http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Z1a/i-bKZLNC8/0/M/IMG_3830-M.jpg

Twin discs were not standard on that model

[Oscar]

Twin discs were not standard on that model

Factory option.
That one was sold new in the USA.

[F5 Dave]

Twin discs were not standard on that model

Rivet counter.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Factory option.
That one was sold new in the USA.

That and R80: ten grand the pair. I'll bring the trailer up.

Bike EXIF is actually my favourite internet site. (Sorry Kb'ers - nah, not sorry)

And I would take an AC Sanctuary or Croz modded jap classic all day every day over a stocker. motorcycles are not investments for me (unless in the Ross Asset Management/Bernie Madoff/Bridgecorp/Hanover sense) so I want the custom one.

[Oscar]

That and R80: ten grand the pair. I'll bring the trailer up.

Bike EXIF is actually my favourite internet site. (Sorry Kb'ers - nah, not sorry)

And I would take an AC Sanctuary or Croz modded jap classic all day every day over a stocker. motorcycles are not investments for me (unless in the Ross Asset Management/Bernie Madoff/Bridgecorp/Hanover sense) so I want the custom one.

You can have the XT and the Gas Gas for that.

[Big Dave]

When he says Gas Gas he means two farts in a bottle.

[Oscar]

When he says Gas Gas he means two farts in a bottle.

...and it's curry tonight:rolleyes:

[Katman]

Well it appears that even Croz would agree that they have great value when kept perfectly original.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-671209061.htm

[Bikemad]

Well it appears that even Croz would agree that they have great value when kept perfectly original.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-671209061.htm

tell him he's dreamin shirl

[AllanB]

Fucking dreaming I'd say. But I am probably wrong.

Interesting question though - you'd think a mint but fully original example would fetch more than a ground up rebuild as the later is a restro jobbie not an original ..........