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pritch
7th December 2013, 08:56
Don't be put of by the word "cyclist". The author is a fighter pilot and accident investigator who is knowledgable about that of which he writes. The article is informative and just a bit scary.

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/

bogan
7th December 2013, 09:12
Just to clarify, saccades are not wholly decided on by the viewer, in fact when viewing a single object or scene they eye makes many involuntary saccades per second to build a up a complete picture. By intensely focusing on one thing as per the number plate example you can over-ride this though. The saccade mechanic does not prevent a person from seeing an object at mid distance when they transfer focus from a close to far position; unless they become too focused on each. As he said at the begining, the human brain/eye is designed to pick up sabertooths and the like, now a sabertooth sized motorcycle heading towards you at sabertooth like speeds, is not beyond our capabilities to detect.

Ocean1
7th December 2013, 10:19
Aye. Someone posted that link a year or so ago, but I doubt the topic could be over-stressed.

I particularly like:


If you are not convinced, try this test.
1.Look in a mirror.
2.Look repeatedly from your right eye to your left eye.
3.Can you see your eyes moving? You can’t.
4.Repeat the test with a friend and watch them. You will see their eyes moving quite markedly.

You can’t see your own eyes move because your brain shuts down the image for the instant that your eyes are moving. This is called Saccadic masking.

Because it caused my daughter to give me $10. :laugh:

carbonhed
8th December 2013, 10:11
Wish I'd read this about six weeks ago :laugh: I'd have been a lot less confident in my prediction that "he'll see me, brake to a stop and then I'll ride around the end of him".

XP@
2nd March 2014, 21:24
This will work many times, but not every time. So covering your stoppers and easing off throttle wont hurt and will speed up your reactions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqQBubilSXU

oneblackflag
2nd March 2014, 23:27
This will work many times, but not every time. So covering your stoppers and easing off throttle wont hurt and will speed up your reactions.

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Had my first a few days ago. Managed to slip round the car.

What caught my eye in ths clip was how dull the 'high viz' vest was behind the motorcycle screen, it also really broke up the outline of the rider too.

oneblackflag
2nd March 2014, 23:31
Because it caused my daughter to give me $10. :laugh:

Easy money aye, feel in my bones some coming my way :devil2:

XP@
3rd March 2014, 09:30
Had my first a few days ago. Managed to slip round the car.

What caught my eye in ths clip was how dull the 'high viz' vest was behind the motorcycle screen, it also really broke up the outline of the rider too.

Next time you have a friend saying High-Vis saves lives ask to borrow their jacket, remove the hi vis and put them both on the grass. Then ask which is the most visible?

I'm not saying don't wear high-viz but we should never rely on them (or any other safety aid) to make us visible to other road users. If possible avoid camouflage as it probably doesn't help your chances.

90s
29th May 2014, 13:18
"Additionally, if you didn’t expect there to be a cyclist your brain is more likely to automatically jump to the conclusion that the road is empty."

Hi-Viz or no Hi-Viz this is probably the most relevant part in real world accidents. Had a chat with a colleague this morning re: the cyclist killed in Christchurch where the judge said cyclists should wear hi-viz. Colleague said it IS easier to see h-viz cycling, but I asked whether this was true at turnings, roundabouts and junctions - exactly where this accident happened for example, and where most bikes of any sort get hit. And the answer was probably not - as this is where people are scanning for what they anticipate - cars - and that article goes some way to explaining why bikes and motorbikes are missed.

As a motorbike rider and cyclist there's another factor that is mainly worse for cyclists due to the cognitive processing functions of drivers - and its this: a car driver pulling out sees a cyclist. His brain assumes it will be slow, so pulls out. Wrong - if its me on the flat I'll be doing around 40ks. On the approach to the lower Nihotupu dam it could be 80k. A case again of making a point to see clearly rather than act on quick impulse. I either commute on the GSXF or cycle - on Dominion rd I have to always expect cars WILL pull out inappropriately, and sadly I am seldom disappointed.