The future of Police chases?

[shafty]

www.bikepoint.com.au/news/2013/radio-pulse-technology-to-end-pursuits-40397

[nzmikey]

So if your running an older bike ... that does not have any of this flash ECU stuff ... hows that going to work ?

[Edbear]

www.bikepoint.com.au/news/2013/radio-pulse-technology-to-end-pursuits-40397

You would hope, as one comment said, that the radio frequency was not being used by other equipment. Before long they will have the tech to govern vehicle speeds by senders along the highways...

[shafty]

So if your running an older bike ... that does not have any of this flash ECU stuff ... hows that going to work ?

Nicely ! (As in, not at all?)

[bogan]

So if your running an older bike ... that does not have any of this flash ECU stuff ... hows that going to work ?

Poorly, and if the rider has a pacemaker (as those who ride dinosaurs might very well do), perhaps catastrophically.

[nzmikey]

:clap: Noice ... if it gets implemented ... will be time to go back to an older bike ... Poked & stroked

Failing that just find a way to shield it from interference

[Edbear]

:clap: Noice ... if it gets implemented ... will be time to go back to an older bike ... Poked & stroked

Failing that just find a way to shield it from interference

This is where those tin-foil hats might come in handy...

[nzmikey]

This is where those tin-foil hats might come in handy...

You were close with the hats thing ... but this may work better around the ECU & critical ECU wiring tho .

[Banditbandit]

THis may not be as safe as it sounds - especially at high speed.


“The RF [radio frequency] is pulsed from the unit just as it would be in radar; it couples into the wiring in the car and that disrupts and confuses the electronics in the car, causing the engine to stall,” he said.

Given that most cars on the road have power assisted brakes and steering, at high speed (i.e. as in a chase) the sudden loss of an engine with the consequent loss of steering and brakes might be disasterous.

[Juniper]

Would be interesting if they could target it to just 1 victim. And yes you do have to worry about other electronic devices.....pacemakers.

running older bikes....just keep running. :p

[nzmikey]

running older bikes....just keep running. :p

LOL Unless it is your bike :shutup:

[bluninja]

Here's a link from MIT (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409039/stopping-cars-with-radiation/)about the technology. Seems it needs to be aimed through non metal gaps, and doesn't yet have much range. So if you shielded your ignition system it wouldn't work anyway....plus if you were going fast enough it would kill your engine, you'd coast through and then it would start up again :)

[Juniper]

LOL Unless it is your bike :shutup:

HEY!! Shes the best of her year in the 250 range! There's nothing wrong with her speed...just her carbs. :facepalm:

[nzmikey]

HEY!! Shes the best of her year in the 250 range! There's nothing wrong with her speed...just her carbs. :facepalm:

& without proper functioning carbs ... it dont go so well :P

[The Reibz]

Just detonate a nuclear warhead in a low earth orbit while your at it. Fry all electronics on one side of the earth. Hooning problem = Solved.

[nzmikey]

Just detonate a nuclear warhead in a low earth orbit while your at it. Fry all electronics on one side of the earth. Hooning problem = Solved.

There goes riding the busa then lol

[Fastmark]

Nicely ! (As in, not at all?)


Sweet so my old dinosaur has just gone up in value, just like fashion hang on in there long enough and it will come round again:rolleyes:

[bluninja]

Sweet so my old dinosaur has just gone up in value, just like fashion hang on in there long enough and it will come round again:rolleyes:

wot? Like Harley Davisons? :eek5:

[HenryDorsetCase]

THis may not be as safe as it sounds - especially at high speed.



Given that most cars on the road have power assisted brakes and steering, at high speed (i.e. as in a chase) the sudden loss of an engine with the consequent loss of steering and brakes might be disasterous.

my thought too. ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

wot? Like Harley Davisons? :eek5:

Modern H-D's have ECU's and all are now fuel injected. Some might say they would have trouble exceeding the speed limit to a point where this "remedy" is required, however.

NOt I though.

[bogan]

THis may not be as safe as it sounds - especially at high speed.



Given that most cars on the road have power assisted brakes and steering, at high speed (i.e. as in a chase) the sudden loss of an engine with the consequent loss of steering and brakes might be disasterous.

Lesser of two evils I think, power assists are generally from engine RPM, not whether its running or not. Though if it is an auto I guess it might cut out fairly quick. Speaking of fancy gearboxes, I wonder if some autos or locking diffs could lock up completely if their chips were fried.

[Swoop]

THis may not be as safe as it sounds - especially at high speed.

Given that most cars on the road have power assisted brakes and steering, at high speed (i.e. as in a chase) the sudden loss of an engine with the consequent loss of steering and brakes might be disasterous.
It gives them an alternative from the old "pull a U-turn in front of the bikes" approach...

[Flip]

It would be possible to shield the electrical system of any vehicle from RF attack. It would be a bit of work but you could do it.

I have an ex miliary V8 landrover that has a shielded electrical system, in this case it's to stop RF getting out as it was a radio truck but the principle is the same.

What would be involved, a RF cage around the ECU and shielded cables to all the sensors and coils.

There would also have to be a change in the radio communications act as it is illegal to emit a radio jamming signal.

[Jeff Sichoe]

They'll just cut out the middleman and put a 90kph limiter on your bike at the factory pretty soon anyway.

You'll be able to buy a special 'ACC Approved' 6 hour unlock code for trackdays for only $900

[rustyrobot]

They'll just cut out the middleman and put a 90kph limiter on your bike at the factory pretty soon anyway.

You'll be able to buy a special 'ACC Approved' 6 hour unlock code for trackdays for only $900

Nah - that won't generate enough revenue. What they will do is install a mandatory GPS tracking device (for 'safety') so they can automatically ping you every time you go over the speed limit, no matter where you are.

But you'll still have to pay the $900 for the GPS speed tracking exemption.

Man, what a cash cow - I'm in the wrong industry!

[nzmikey]

Nah - that won't generate enough revenue. What they will do is install a mandatory GPS tracking device (for 'safety') so they can automatically ping you every time you go over the speed limit, no matter where you are.

But you'll still have to pay the $900 for the GPS speed tracking exemption.

Man, what a cash cow - I'm in the wrong industry!

You could only imagine the speed figure that would pop up when you go through the new Auckland tunnel then ... goes in @100kmh .... looses cell reception .... pops out the other side doing 100kmh according to the clock but the gps system says otherwise & pings you for doing 350kmh :lol:

[RDJ]

So... would this device (or even a NORK-lit EMP) shut down a bike with Lucas-like electrics from the era of the the MkI Minis from Austin / Leyland? I.e. electric start, alternator, carbs, distributor, electrical fuel pump...? Just wanna see if I can still outrun the post-EMP zombie hordes...

[pritch]

Just detonate a nuclear warhead in a low earth orbit while your at it.

That's the line my thoughts were taking. Only disadvantage is the collateral damage in the area: as in wiping out most of the population of Auckland as well as the alleged offender.

[rustyrobot]

After reading the scant literature that is available, it doesn't seem as if the 350kg unit is going to be on many highway patrol cars in the next few years. It has a 50m range at present so not going to be used from a helicopter. I wouldn't be surprised if a few embassies install them, the device will be pointing away from their facility and they've never seemed hugely worried about collateral (civilian) damage.

However, given the typical progression of technology and electronics I'm sure they'll fit on a key chain within twenty years time. Concerns about them potentially 'hitting' bystanders would be about the same as with projectile weapons - there will be procedures, and training, and accidents.

Will be interesting once they are reverse engineered and plans are available on the internet - would this disable an armoured car, and block it's radio transmissions at the same time?


Solution:

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[GrayWolf]

That's the line my thought were taking. Only disadvantage is the collateral damage in the area: as in wiping out most of the population of Auckland as werll as the alleged offender.

And the problem with 'removing' the Population of Auckland is?? :innocent:

[SMOKEU]

They'll just cut out the middleman and put a 90kph limiter on your bike at the factory pretty soon anyway.

You'll be able to buy a special 'ACC Approved' 6 hour unlock code for trackdays for only $900

In Japan, Godzilla already does that, up to 180kmh on roads, with the limiter removed on approved race tracks. The technology is here, and I'm sure the fun police will do that here.

[rastuscat]

Noooooooooooooooooo.................that's it, the bloody fun Police have struck...........:facepalm:

[pete376403]

So... would this device (or even a NORK-lit EMP) shut down a bike with Lucas-like electrics from the era of the the MkI Minis from Austin / Leyland? I.e. electric start, alternator, carbs, distributor, electrical fuel pump...? Just wanna see if I can still outrun the post-EMP zombie hordes...
Just about anything can put Lucas electrics on the fritz - wrong day of the week, humidity over 10%, you name it.

[awa355]

And the problem with 'removing' the Population of Auckland is?? :innocent:

There would be nothing between Akzle country and NZ :gob:

[varminter]

God help anyone with metal teeth fillings or hip replacements.

[RDJ]

Just about anything can put Lucas electrics on the fritz - wrong day of the week, humidity over 10%, you name it.

True, but it was always fixable - we got good at fixing it because we had lots of practice :-) On my carbed bikes (all except the Vrod) I can at least halfway get to the diagnose-and-treat stage with fuel starvation signs or electrics shutting down. On the standard Vrod I would not know where to start diagnosing the EFI system… and on the turbo Vrod I'd probably just check it had gas in the tank and then call the tow truck!

[nerrrd]

I thought the future of police chases would be drones...maybe a drone with one of these mounted on it?

[GrayWolf]

God help anyone with metal teeth fillings or hip replacements.

if thats bad enough? Magnetic of high levels of RF affect pacemakers...

can see the Headlines... Police stop high speed car chase.... several pedestrians killed/injured as the pursued car goes off the road...

[cheshirecat]

Just about anything can put Lucas electrics on the fritz - wrong day of the week, humidity over 10%, you name it.
As a long standing, now ex Landrover owner you're not kidding. You've know idea what it was like getting my first non LR vehicle - a Honda CB160. Unreal being able to ride at night/in the rain and get back.

[R650R]

This looks bit more effective

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[bogan]

This looks bit more effective


Might not be so flash for bike pursuits though...

[p.dath]

www.bikepoint.com.au/news/2013/radio-pulse-technology-to-end-pursuits-40397

Can't see this technology making it into production. It works by generally disrupting electronic devices. What if:
* It disrupts a pace maker, killer the person in the car.
* Disrupting electronics produces a more random effect. Sure it may kill the engine. What about if you have a drive by wire steering system, and the vehicle suddenly and violently pulls to one side - or prevents the driver from steering around a corner or obstacle?
* What if it causes ABS brakes to violently lock on - or fail to lock on preventing the driver from stopping?

It sounds just too dangerous.

[R650R]

Can't see this technology making it into production. It works by generally disrupting electronic devices. What if:
* It disrupts a pace maker, killer the person in the car.
* Disrupting electronics produces a more random effect. Sure it may kill the engine. What about if you have a drive by wire steering system, and the vehicle suddenly and violently pulls to one side - or prevents the driver from steering around a corner or obstacle?
* What if it causes ABS brakes to violently lock on - or fail to lock on preventing the driver from stopping?

It sounds just too dangerous.

They are a bit of a one shot device to really. To create an EMF burst suitablely large, you need a big magnetic field to collapse suddenly. This is done by have a high voltage/current running through coil then breaking the circuit very quickly. So whatever is running it would need some serious juice/battery power behind it... especially to target something up to 50m away...

[BoristheBiter]

You could only imagine the speed figure that would pop up when you go through the new Auckland tunnel then ... goes in @100kmh .... looses cell reception .... pops out the other side doing 100kmh according to the clock but the gps system says otherwise & pings you for doing 350kmh :lol:

There is also a GPS blip around Matamata.
Something happens to trip the gps to thinking it has just gone a massive distance. the top speed stays the same but the average speed goes up to over 3000 km/hr.
I thought it was a once off but every time i go down SH27 it happens.

It's dem aliens again.

[BoristheBiter]

Can't see this technology making it into production. It works by generally disrupting electronic devices. What if:
* It disrupts a pace maker, killer the person in the car.
* Disrupting electronics produces a more random effect. Sure it may kill the engine. What about if you have a drive by wire steering system, and the vehicle suddenly and violently pulls to one side - or prevents the driver from steering around a corner or obstacle?
* What if it causes ABS brakes to violently lock on - or fail to lock on preventing the driver from stopping?

It sounds just too dangerous.


Ever seen a cop chase from the USA? they don't care so if this has a working model you can bet they will use it.
Otherwise tuff shit. who cares. should have stopped.

[RDJ]

Ever seen a cop chase from the USA? they don't care so if this has a working model you can bet they will use it.

Oh I don't think we have to look to the USA to know that if the police are given a dangerous tool to use in enforcement, some police will use that tool dangerously. "Between 1941 and 2008 the NZP have shot and killed 22 citizens, which includes the notorious incidents involving Steven Wallace in 2000 and Stephen Bellingham in 2007 - then there is the more recent Auckland motorway shooting." BTW from 1886-2009 29 officers have been killed by a criminal act while performing police duties.

[BoristheBiter]

Oh I don't think we have to look to the USA to know that if the police are given a dangerous tool to use in enforcement, some police will use that tool dangerously. "Between 1941 and 2008 the NZP have shot and killed 22 citizens, which includes the notorious incidents involving Steven Wallace in 2000 and Stephen Bellingham in 2007 - then there is the more recent Auckland motorway shooting." BTW from 1886-2009 29 officers have been killed by a criminal act while performing police duties.

Fuck off, two wankers that advanced on armed police. Darwin's theory worked well.

Police defending themselves, no issue.