Auckland Transport's new ride safe video

[iYRe]

http://youtu.be/ZnZlOyxsQbM

I was quite impressed...

[Gremlin]

Not bad, volume or revs of bike is a little weird, colours as well.

I would also like to see a section on (for eg) a 3 lane road, 2 right lanes are stopped traffic and you're zipping down the left lane. At an intersection the cars leave a gap for a car to cross through... common incident.

[iYRe]

I'll flag this thread to the AT person who sent it to me. They might be interested in the comments..

[discotex]

Not bad, volume or revs of bike is a little weird, colours as well.

I would also like to see a section on (for eg) a 3 lane road, 2 right lanes are stopped traffic and you're zipping down the left lane. At an intersection the cars leave a gap for a car to cross through... common incident.

I was thinking the same, but for bus lanes...

[R650R]

More waste of public money to justify someone's job/yearly budget and my apologies to person concerned if reading this but; this is so basic that if your not already thinking about stuff like this you shouldn't even be driving a car let alone a bike. I note the vid begins without him doing a pretrip check...
My own defensive techniques go above this and include thinking about stuff like: If we do collide where do I want to be pointed towards/tumbling/sliding afterwards, ie is there a greater hazard like oncoming traffic, poles or steep dropoff etc...
There's one of those drive social ltsa ads to that irks me, it shows a slow caravan holding up traffic that eventually pulls over. How ever the cars following are bunched up and not anticipating him pulling over and have no momentum built up to pass. Then it shows someone roaring past from the back of the que like if they are the bad driver. When really its the wonbles up the front squandering an overtaking opportunity that have created the hazard, yet the ad reinforces their behaviour.

[iYRe]

More waste of public money to justify someone's job/yearly budget and my apologies to person concerned if reading this but; this is so basic that if your not already thinking about stuff like this you shouldn't even be driving a car let alone a bike. I note the vid begins without him doing a pretrip check...
My own defensive techniques go above this and include thinking about stuff like: If we do collide where do I want to be pointed towards/tumbling/sliding afterwards, ie is there a greater hazard like oncoming traffic, poles or steep dropoff etc...


And yet, 90% of people who ride bikes are not as perfect as you.. so therefore this is needed.

Its also handy for new riders to have a gander at before they pop out in the traffic.

[rustic101]

The question is; if AT can produce this for all riders to access, what the jingos are MOTONZ doing....

Full credit to AT even though there will be knockers

[Erelyes]

More waste of public money to justify someone's job/yearly budget and my apologies to person concerned if reading this but; this is so basic that if your not already thinking about stuff like this you shouldn't even be driving a car let alone a bike. I note the vid begins without him doing a pretrip check...

I'm simplifying things (ironic) but psychologically speaking, if you try to teach ten things in a two minute vid, the person watching is gonna forget em all. There is worth in keeping things simple.

As for the value of what is being said, the messages (roll off / cover brake / look for an escape) seem the same as what Code, Ienatsch, Hough, and others cover in their books...

Consider also that if you pick any professional sportsperson then chances are you'll find they spend a majority of their day practicing the basics.

[maraudingkiwi]

Quite impressed as well. These are the kind of things that go on in your head continuously and automatically once you've had a fair bit of experience but aren't obvious to beginners. Good stuff.

I'd like to see more advanced and detailed ones e.g. freeze-framing or slowing down a situation with multiple hazards and highlighting the things an experienced rider would focus on, how they would prioritise them, what defensive actions they would take, etc.

[R650R]

Yeah I'm not perfect and not knocking for the sake of it, just I feel this stuff is covered in the basics and road rules when doing the licence test/training along with the minimum level of human common sense.
Still think making all road users sit and watch an hour of Russian dashcam vids would be more effective than all these fancy sidshows, and the cost to joe public is zero.
The real problem is that we are taught 'road rules' and foolishly believe for awhile that other road users remember and obey them...
BTW in that first junction, are we to believe he pulled off a violent right-left-right flick across the white line on that damp looking junction without highsiding :)

[The Reibz]

I found this about as useful as the ridesafe signs which now litter our state highways

[iYRe]

BTW in that first junction, are we to believe he pulled off a violent right-left-right flick across the white line on that damp looking junction without highsiding :)
Yeah... I "practice" that all the time :P

[Big Dave]

I pulled a few good wheelies going up that hill on the title.

[Zedder]

And yet, 90% of people who ride bikes are not as perfect as you.. so therefore this is needed.

Its also handy for new riders to have a gander at before they pop out in the traffic.

Yep, it's about sending a message to a wide target audience.

[Zedder]

The question is; if AT can produce this for all riders to access, what the jingos are MOTONZ doing....

Full credit to AT even though there will be knockers

I agree.


As far as MOTONZ goes, in the words of Paul Simon: There were incidents and accidents, there were hints and allegations...

[Big Dave]

my apologies to person concerned if reading this but.


Nice - but I wouldn't sweat it. Not many industry people take anon online forums seriously.

If they do - I would strongly warn them against it!

[iYRe]

Nice - but I wouldn't sweat it. Not many industry people take anon online forums seriously.

If they do - I would strongly warn them against it!

I linked the person to the thread, but I did point out they might have to wade through a load of tripe to find the gems..

[Big Dave]

wade through

Icebreaker.

A lot of it is mine and it's top quality tripe.

[iYRe]

Icebreaker.

A lot of it is mine and it's top quality tripe.

no comment :eek5:

[Big Dave]

no comment :eek5:

No no. You say - 'but we love your pithy insights, David. Do go on.'

GET IT RIGHT!

[iYRe]

No no. You say - 'but we love your pithy insights, David. Do go on.'

GET IT RIGHT!

Its ok, pithying people off is what most people here do for lulz.

[Big Dave]

Its ok, pithying people off is what most people here do for lulz.

Now say 'she sells sea shells'.

It's what happens on the majority of online forums.

[iYRe]

Now say 'she sells sea shells'.


all I want for christmas is my two front teeth

[Zedder]

Online forums and marketing: http://www.websitemagazine.com/content/blogs/posts/archive/2013/02/22/leveraging-forums-for-customer-service-and-marketing.aspx

[Big Dave]

Online forums and marketing: http://www.websitemagazine.com/content/blogs/posts/archive/2013/02/22/leveraging-forums-for-customer-service-and-marketing.aspx


By the CEO of an online forums hosting company. Classic.

IF you want a product denigrated, its competitors praised, a list of where you can buy it cheaper, or one-sided bleats about customer service - a good start is put it on an 'anon' online forum.

Facebook - or anywhere where the respondent has a name and contact address so issues can be verified - different story.

[iYRe]

Online forums and marketing: http://www.websitemagazine.com/content/blogs/posts/archive/2013/02/22/leveraging-forums-for-customer-service-and-marketing.aspx

An ISP I used to work for did that... and while it "sort of" worked.. it can backfire extremely easily..

You need someone "special" to manage it..

[BigAl]

I didn't see any reference in the video to the constant checking that your speedo reads <= 4 kph of the area speed limit.

[iYRe]

I had two officers in the office yesterday and we were discussing the fact that my speedo is out by 6% at 100kmh on my bike.. so 100kmh on my speedo is 94kmh.. So I have to, at this time of year, rely on my gps device, which is usually only 1-2kmh out, but even then, if the accuracy drops to say 10m or 20m, then the GPS can be WAY out too.

The whole 4kmh thing is ridiculous because it is outside of the accuracy of most vehical's speed measurement devices..

but anyway..

[Zedder]

By the CEO of an online forums hosting company. Classic.

IF you want a product denigrated, its competitors praised, a list of where you can buy it cheaper, or one-sided bleats about customer service - a good start is put it on an 'anon' online forum.

Facebook - or anywhere where the respondent has a name and contact address so issues can be verified - different story.

I don't think they got to be "Best Hosted Forum" two years running plus have 3.5 million forums created, 22 million registered visitors and more than 15 million unique monthly vistors by being not credible.

[Big Dave]

I don't think they got to be "Best Hosted Forum" two years running plus have 3.5 million forums created, 22 million registered visitors and more than 15 million unique monthly vistors by being not credible.

Meh. I have 800 gazsquillion visitors to my sites. And I won the University of Outer Cairns Marketer's Marketer award 12 years running.

[Big Dave]

You need someone "special" to manage it..

OT. But....

There's an argument that says the money spent maintaining 300 likes on your facebook page is not cost effective.

That the 'special' person's overhead would buy you 300,000 bums on seats on a TV slot eg.

I've never seen it quantified. Interesting to ponder though.

[iYRe]

yeah... I work at a radio/tv station (doing IT) - for us farcebook/twitiot are pretty much essential. We have a couple of pretty level headed people who manage it, and a bunch of management types who oversee it for their departments - even then we get a few crazies,,,

But we dont pay anyone specifically to do it..

[Big Dave]

yeah... I work at a radio/tv station (doing IT) - for us farcebook/twitiot are pretty much essential. We have a couple of pretty level headed people who manage it, and a bunch of management types who oversee it for their departments - even then we get a few crazies,,,

But we don't pay anyone specifically to do it..

And that's my point too. In this format there is nobody to control the crazies outside the site rulez. If anything the crazy is contagious.

I still like it though. Crazy is entertaining.

[iYRe]

And that's my point too. In this format there is nobody to control the crazies outside the site rulez. If anything the crazy is contagious.

I still like it though. Crazy is entertaining.


I guess that's why people find me entertaining...

[Kendoll]

I didn't see any reference in the video to the constant checking that your speedo reads <= 4 kph of the area speed limit.

Good call. Because that's what we should all be doing instead of looking at the roads. :brick:

[rastuscat]

Consider also that if you pick any professional sportsperson then chances are you'll find they spend a majority of their day practicing the basics.

Advanced riding is simply full mastery of the basics.

[Gremlin]

Advanced riding is simply full mastery of the basics.
And yet it's amazing how many think they're great riders when they're not.

First step to getting better (regardless of where you are at) is accepting you're not perfect and you can be better.

[R650R]

Nice - but I wouldn't sweat it. Not many industry people take anon online forums seriously.

If they do - I would strongly warn them against it!

Was just a courtesy, sticks and stones an all that.
Actually I was discussing something with gliding on hierarchy one day and suggested a couple of online places for feedback and a current feel of particular issues. Was met with a chuckle which I thought was a bit sad as the guy was actually missing out on just the data he was looking for.
Sure there's a bit of sifting to be done but same even with books and verbal conversations.
I do laugh when these 'it's not real because its on the Internet' types then quote an online source mins later, especially a certain radio host lol...

[R650R]

And yet it's amazing how many think they're great riders when they're not.

First step to getting better (regardless of where you are at) is accepting you're not perfect and you can be better.

I accept I'm not perfect but I don't accept expensive advertising agency created propaganda or awhile day at a generic safety course is a step foward. Just imagine if all that money went into fixing roads, better signage, barriers, lighting etc...

[rastuscat]

I accept I'm not perfect but I don't accept expensive advertising agency created propaganda or awhile day at a generic safety course is a step foward. Just imagine if all that money went into fixing roads, better signage, barriers, lighting etc...

Money well spent. It costs millions to get engineering solutions to fix the infrastructure.

For the cost of one or two remedial road works, the ad can achieve more, if people listen to it.

Of course, it's easy to look elsewhere for solutions.

We own at least some of the solutions. Ourselves. Just us.

Anticipate trouble, allow for it, and trouble is less likely to harm you.

Harumph.

[Gremlin]

I accept I'm not perfect but I don't accept expensive advertising agency created propaganda or awhile day at a generic safety course is a step foward. Just imagine if all that money went into fixing roads, better signage, barriers, lighting etc...
Sure, there are crappy roads, bad corners etc. As the cat said, the engineering solutions aren't cheap, and it only fixes one corner, one stretch of road. Help the riders be better, and the effect works on all roads, all corners. Helps people not get into bad situations in the first place, or get out of bad situations (either created by themselves or by others). Like spending your coin on upgrading or servicing suspension. It doesn't just help in one corner, it helps everywhere.

Actually, in some places, I'd rather less signage. Some of it is so reflective, so bright, it ruins your night vision and you can't see the road ahead as easily.

I'd also prefer they spend their money on these sorts of ads, because a, previous efforts were crappy and often a complete waste of money, this is actually quite good in the scheme of things, and b, it's helping riders, scooters etc. Of course, the one given, is that someone has to be in a receptive frame of mind to take the info on board.

[Racing Dave]

Some of it is so reflective, so bright, it ruins your night vision and you can't see the road ahead as easily.



You can if you have decent lights!

Top photo, R1200GSA, standard headlight on high beam (separate low and high beam reflectors)
Middle photo, BMW K1600GT, with its clever gyro stabilised low beam (staying flat when banked) + 2 x high beams
Lower photo, R1200GSA, with extra lights, so aimed as to reduce reflection from road signs, but hugely aids seeing in the dark.

I don't want to ride faster at night, just safely and with more confidence.

[Grizzo]

Nice little vid full of common sense.

[Gremlin]

You can if you have decent lights!
My lights are... sufficient. However, positioning is around performance on open roads, and no thought to reflection from boards. Basically, it's because the lights are powerful that I get that much reflection. I've reduced the front lights from 8 to 6, as I'm not doing as much country night riding these days...

[R650R]

Dipping the lights solves the problem... Except there's always some tool in front of you on high beam. What I found worse for being blinded was the first generation of those cop led light bars, of course the voyueristic attraction of seeing someone get... outweighs the common sense option of looking away lol

[caspernz]

Money well spent. It costs millions to get engineering solutions to fix the infrastructure.

For the cost of one or two remedial road works, the ad can achieve more, if people listen to it.

Of course, it's easy to look elsewhere for solutions.

We own at least some of the solutions. Ourselves. Just us.

Anticipate trouble, allow for it, and trouble is less likely to harm you.

Harumph.

Yes of course. Basic video with basic skills. Most accidents seem to be largely caused by a failure in basic skills....

Funnily enough, having watched so called accident black spots being engineered out, the accidents still keep happening at the spot up the road that has now become the most challenging to the driver/rider whose basic skills are lacking.