Who here is doing the MGTOW thing?

[yokel]

Just found about the MGTOW movement if that is what it is?
Google or youtube it.

who's doing it and do you know you're doing it?

http://youtu.be/H2B_K8h3wbQ

[mashman]

I feel like a victim. Great propaganda. A valid point of view, nah, not for me. Two wrong views don't make a right one :innocent:

[yokel]

Well as a man you're not meant to feel like a victim, there in lies the problem.
The thing is I see men being emasculated everywhere, by women, government and the media.
Women are just not women any more and so are men.

[mashman]

It's your choice to see it that way. It's just another division and a fuckin pointless one at that. Who's worse off then? The black woman in SA that relies on billions in international aid I bet. Fuckin scumbag conniving bitch. Is this not a case of men saying that they're bigger victims than women? Is it not a matter of protecting the guardian of the children as best as possible, because they're the guardian of little helpless beings? And how would quitting your well paid job (the one the man probably gets more highly paid for) help your kids? In regards to his, oh they're rubbing their hands together at the "child revenue protection agency", no, that's plain bullshit. I don't buy the MGTOW argument.

No, I don't feel like a victim because I know who the real victims are and being brutally honest, every man and woman that allows these "systems of persecution" to stay in place kinda deserves what they get. Me included.

[yokel]

Looks like I hit a nerve, must be where your balls use to be?

[mashman]

Nope, just my funny bone. Epic fail witnessed, enjoyed, forgotten.

[fridayflash]

menimists

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[Berries]

I gave it about ten seconds. To save me from the obvious boredom, can someone tell me what MGTOW stands for?

[Ocean1]

I gave it about ten seconds. To save me from the obvious boredom, can someone tell me what MGTOW stands for?

Men Going Their Own Way.

It's a sort of masculine version of yer lesbian stormtrooper movement.

[Ocean1]

Looks like I hit a nerve, must be where your balls use to be?

Difficult to fail to hit a nerve in that fucker.

And for the record, refusing to notice personal injustices and inequities is the correct behaviour for a man, not wallowing in them.

[fridayflash]

I gave it about ten seconds. To save me from the obvious boredom, can someone tell me what MGTOW stands for?

i gave it about 12 seconds, i fucken hate feminists, but theyre only a problem if some poof gives them a baby, otherwise they can stew in their hatefull spinster juices. but other than that whats the point in this weak mgtow dross?

[Tazz]

This is a 'thing' now? Isn't it just life decisions rather than anything special?
Like how some mates have wives who get out tramping and boozing with them and others have wives that stay at home and call every 5 mins giving them a bollocking for not being back yet.....they made that choice :lol:

[Big Dave]

We did have an MG once. And boy it needed towing often. Prick of a thing.

[Zedder]

We did have an MG once. And boy it needed towing often. Prick of a thing.

Lol. Was it an MGBGT?

[yokel]

Difficult to fail to hit a nerve in that fucker.

And for the record, refusing to notice personal injustices and inequities is the correct behaviour for a man, not wallowing in them.

Yes your correct, that's why it feels kinda weird to bring it up and that's why men are going their own way (MGTOW) instead of complaining about it, it happening world wide especially in Japan.

I now no longer proscribe to the idea of equality of the sexes, it's a bullshit idea thats not based on any kind of logic.

[Tazz]

especially in Japan.

It ain't hard to go against the norm in Japan though. You're a rebel there if you haven't married and popped out a kid in your 20's over there.

[nudemetalz]

We did have an MG once. And boy it needed towing often. Prick of a thing.

Thought you meant Moto Guzzi for a sec there...but must be Morris Garages...

[Laava]

I gave it about ten seconds. To save me from the obvious boredom, can someone tell me what MGTOW stands for?

Men get tired of wanking.

[buggerit]

I gave it about ten seconds. To save me from the obvious boredom, can someone tell me what MGTOW stands for?

Men Get Tired Of Waiting:innocent::gob:;)

[Big Dave]

Lol. Was it an MGBGT?


I only ever heard it referred to as 'that fucking MG'.

I bought it because I thought she wanted it. She bought it because she thought I wanted it.
It was good to get that mistake out of the way early in our marriage.

[mashman]

Wah wah wah, all I can hear is, "I'm a man and women are getting the better of me and I don't like it because they're just women.". It's comedic just how moronic you girls are.

[Banditbandit]

Wah wah wah, all I can hear is, "I'm a man and women are getting the better of me and I don't like it because they're just women.". It's comedic just how moronic you girls are.

Wot he said ...

Get over yourselves ...

[yokel]

It ain't hard to go against the norm in Japan though. You're a rebel there if you haven't married and popped out a kid in your 20's over there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

yeah well with a birth rate of 1.39 it's just not happening like that any more same with Germany and Italy and other countries,
Bear in mind you need a birth rate of 2.1- 2.3 to maintained a population.
It's a economic nightmare, less kids means people not working as hard or spending as much money also less kids at schools and so on.

[yokel]

Wah wah wah, all I can hear is, "I'm a man and women are getting the better of me and I don't like it because they're just women.". It's comedic just how moronic you girls are.

Haha nice display of chest beating self regulating "manhood" there, valiant even though it's misguided.
There seem to be two camps, the pussy controlled manginas and well those that just dont want to hand over their balls, I'm now in the later.

[Geeen]

Just found about the MGTOW movement if that is what it is?
Google or youtube it.

who's doing it and do you know you're doing it?



http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data/500/258Troll_spray.jpg

[mashman]

Haha nice display of chest beating self regulating "manhood" there, valiant even though it's misguided.
There seem to be two camps, the pussy controlled manginas and well those that just dont want to hand over their balls, I'm now in the later.

Am sure your mum will let you have them back, if only to get you out of the house on weekends. Enjoy your balls and masculinity.

[yokel]

Am sure your mum will let you have them back, if only to get you out of the house on weekends. Enjoy your balls and masculinity.

You can say what you like about me that's fine, but don't you dare say anything like that in rearguards my mother you disrespectful piece of shit.

[Berries]

You can say what you like about me that's fine, but don't you dare say anything like that in rearguards my mother you disrespectful piece of shit.
If your mother has rearguards I wouldn't boast about it online.

[mashman]

You can say what you like about me that's fine, but don't you dare say anything like that in rearguards my mother you disrespectful piece of shit.

I didn't say anything about your mother. You made that bit up yourself. Nice to see that you and your mum are close.

[BoristheBiter]

You can say what you like about me that's fine, but don't you dare say anything like that in rearguards my mother you disrespectful piece of shit.

Now who has hit a nerve.

[BoristheBiter]

Wah wah wah, all I can hear is, "I'm a man and women are getting the better of me and I don't like it because they're just women.". It's comedic just how moronic you girls are.


Wot he said ...

Get over yourselves ...

Wot they said.

Just because you're insecure don't blame it on women.

[Big Dave]

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[ellipsis]

You can say what you like about me that's fine, but don't you dare say anything like that in rearguards my mother you disrespectful piece of shit.

...oi!...you posted the shit...wanker...shouldn't play here if you are pussy and the replies offend...(rearguards?...nowhere near even phonetically correct, not that it matters around here)...man got testicles or wot?

[mashman]

...oi!...you posted the shit...wanker...shouldn't play here if you are pussy and the replies offend...(rearguards?...nowhere near even phonetically correct, not that it matters around here)...man got testicles or wot?

http://core.ecu.edu/soci/juskaa/soci2110/Lectures/socialization/img016.gif

[ellipsis]

...FREUD (Sir Clement)


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[Grubber]

Wah wah wah, all I can hear is, "I'm a man and women are getting the better of me and I don't like it because they're just women.". It's comedic just how moronic you girls are.

Agreed!:crybaby:

[Swoop]

MGTOW?
Maximum Gross Take Off Weight?

Shouldn't this be in the "aircraft" thread?:scratch:



(Nobody likes using up ALL of the runway to get airborne!)

[fridayflash]

dredge

just revisiting this thread, catching up on the last page and a half...who is this fucken weaner 'yokel'? sounds like a student wanker to me
and probably one whos had no luck with the ladies, either way fuck off until you grow some hairs on your chest :tugger:

[rgvsmoker]

dredge

just revisiting this thread, catching up on the last page and a half...who is this fucken weaner 'yokel'? sounds like a student wanker to me
and probably one whos had no luck with the ladies, either way fuck off until you grow some hairs on your chest :tugger:

Wow. Just read a whole lot of bonehead idiot comments here. No wonder we blokes are screwed over by the property laws, ex-wives, family courts - you're all too fucking stupid, gung-ho or too young to know any better!

I learnt a fair bit about MGTOW when looking into pre-nup vs no prenup cases and relationship property agreements and how men are systematically screwed over for most of their lives. All this in a society where western women are programmed differently (by design!) from the rest of the world. (I'm in a de-facto situation living w/ gf, considering if it's worth the long haul.)

Maybe you idiots should come back here in 10-15 years and see if you're still so happy about putting your balls through our courts and laws. Good luck, i mean it.

In the meantime enjoy this. Tom Leykis - very funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW97tWuGd1k Sums up the drivers for MGTOW (or pre-nups) nicely.

"What I always say about misogyny is I don't hate women, everyone should own one. Then I say wait a minute, why buy when you can rent?"
"Getting married [or 3yr de-facto] is not a romantic thing. It's signing a contract to make someone a 50% partner in your corporation. And if that person has made a lot less money than you have or a lot less education than you have and a lot less to contribute, why would you give them 50% of it?"

If you plan to work hard and do well, stop thinking with your dicks fellas. :laugh:
Keep what you have safe because the world monetary system (another rip-off) is even worse than westerns laws.

[pzkpfw]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way


The Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) movement is a weird offshoot of the men's rights movement resembling some kind of straight male separatism. Basically, MGTOWers buy into the same rhetoric MRAs spread ("society is actually biased against men, not women!" etc.), but instead of taking any sort of action, they have vowed to stay away from women altogether, or at least stop forming any sort of relationships with them. In other words, it's a hilarious analog to the lesbian separatism movement, but without homosexuality (they don't believe men should "become gay" as an element of further rebellion). It's unclear if the movement has any power beyond "disgruntled douchebags talking shit about women (in general) on the Internet." As a general rule, the reaction of sane people is "Sure, do go your own way and stop whining already!"

People generally cause their own problems.

[yokel]

Wow. Just read a whole lot of bonehead idiot comments here. No wonder we blokes are screwed over by the property laws, ex-wives, family courts - you're all too fucking stupid, gung-ho or too young to know any better!

I learnt a fair bit about MGTOW when looking into pre-nup vs no prenup cases and relationship property agreements and how men are systematically screwed over for most of their lives. All this in a society where western women are programmed differently (by design!) from the rest of the world. (I'm in a de-facto situation living w/ gf, considering if it's worth the long haul.)

Maybe you idiots should come back here in 10-15 years and see if you're still so happy about putting your balls through our courts and laws. Good luck, i mean it.

In the meantime enjoy this. Tom Leykis - very funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW97tWuGd1k Sums up the drivers for MGTOW (or pre-nups) nicely.

"What I always say about misogyny is I don't hate women, everyone should own one. Then I say wait a minute, why buy when you can rent?"
"Getting married [or 3yr de-facto] is not a romantic thing. It's signing a contract to make someone a 50% partner in your corporation. And if that person has made a lot less money than you have or a lot less education than you have and a lot less to contribute, why would you give them 50% of it?"

If you plan to work hard and do well, stop thinking with your dicks fellas. :laugh:
Keep what you have safe because the world monetary system (another rip-off) is even worse than westerns laws.

You pretty much have a flatmate with benefits.
The world we live in is an illusion, you are now disillusioned.
True male female relationships no longer exist, you are a salve.

[bogan]

So, some bloke feels insecure enough about being single by choice (allegedly) to start a movement? :scratch:

[Stirts]

Looks to me like bitter and twisted men that have forgotten or given up their rights to decide how they want to live their life, and what their goals are. Clearly they are lacking in the ball sack, intelligence and common sense departments because they blame it on woman and/or society for not getting what they want out of life, or 'protecting themselves' from munters within society of today.

[yokel]

Looks to me like bitter and twisted men that have forgotten or given up their rights to decide how they want to live their life, and what their goals are. Clearly they are lacking in the ball sack, intelligence and common sense departments because they blame it on woman and/or society for not getting what they want out of life, or 'protecting themselves' from munters within society of today.

Yeah all those guys that have or tried to commit suicide (I know of a few) should have just used common sense and used their BALLS! Fucking pussies

[Stirts]

Yeah all those guys that have or tried to commit suicide (I know of a few) should have just used common sense and used their BALLS! Fucking pussies

Seeking help takes fucking BALLS!! But seek/ask for help from people that can actually help, not from some people who have come up with a cool acronym with hateful tendancies.

[Banditbandit]

Seeking help takes fucking BALLS!! But seek/ask for help from people that can actually help, not from some people who have come up with a cool acronym with hateful tendancies.

Yeah .. and these wimps don't have any ..

[mashman]

Mine are detachable, so I can lend them out to anyone who needs 'em.

[Tazz]

Mine are detachable, so I can lend them out to anyone who needs 'em.



http://youtu.be/byDiILrNbM4

[unstuck]

:violin::violin::violin::violin::killingme:killing me:killingme

[yokel]

Seeking help takes fucking BALLS!! But seek/ask for help from people that can actually help, not from some people who have come up with a cool acronym with hateful tendancies.

so what you're saying is that it takes fucking BALLS! to admit that you have no balls? that is the conundrum a male gets himself into.
when you understand the problem you know there is fuck all hope of getting any real help.

anyway I'm not fucking around with kiwi shemales any more, I'm getting me an import.

[Stirts]

anyway I'm not fucking around with kiwi shemales any more, I'm getting me an import.

Ahhhhh yes the MGTOW way...they don't hate all women, just those uppity "western women." They'd be perfectly fine with dating one of those exotic, submissive "eastern women" who would do anything they asked.

[mashman]

Ahhhhh yes the MGTOW way...they don't hate all women, just those uppity "western women." They'd be perfectly fine with dating one of those exotic, submissive "eastern women" who would do anything they asked.

Do they do trade-ins?

[Stirts]

Do they do trade-ins?

Why not have both?

[Tazz]

I'm getting me an import.

I've only seriously dated one Kiwi chick and she was a major headcase. Kids and marriage wanted after 6 months, no compromise, no exceptions. There was an unexpected ending to that conversation, according to her :laugh: So many single mums around here, not surprised.
Pregnant with triplets now, dodged that one...!

Mediterranean girls all the way :devil2:


Ahhhhh yes the MGTOW way...they don't hate all women, just those uppity "western women." They'd be perfectly fine with dating one of those exotic, submissive "eastern women" who would do anything they asked.

:laugh: I didn't even think of it like that. Not all are are like that though, just more like they see a relationship as a team effort rather than a free ride.

[Stirts]

Fark I know bitches be crazy but ever considered changing your MO. Maybe start looking outside of your social circle, you might actually start meeting some normal crazy bitches with less baggage

[yokel]

Fark I know bitches be crazy but ever considered changing your MO. Maybe start looking outside of your social circle, you might actually start meeting some normal crazy bitches with less baggage

I think going half way around the world is far enough out side my social circle haha.

I could fuck around trying to find a descent female thats not been beat up or used up or had kids, but I'm not.

[mashman]

Why not have both?

Oooooo that's a fuckin evil thing to say.

[Virago]

...anyway I'm not fucking around with kiwi shemales any more, I'm getting me an import.

Lol. Let us know how you get on. :laugh:

[Woodman]

I think going half way around the world is far enough out side my social circle haha.

I could fuck around trying to find a descent female thats not been beat up or used up or had kids, but I'm not.

A descent female? Is that one that is always going down?

[yokel]

A descent female? Is that one that is always going down?

I had one like that, she had horses,cats, dogs and fish and was insane! not really her fault, and I had no idea that me being the "man" meant that I have to control a womans sanity.

[Virago]

so what you're saying is that it takes fucking BALLS!...

Is that those anti-gravity balls?

[yokel]

Is that those anti-gravity balls?

Nah, more like anti-have my balls in the vice of the state balls.

all im trying to do is keep my balls and have a relationship with a female AT THE SAME TIME!
I'm not sure if this is even possible? guess we'll see.

[Stirts]

Nah, more like anti-have my balls in the vice of the state balls.

all im trying to do is keep my balls and have a relationship with a female AT THE SAME TIME!
I'm not sure if this is even possible? guess we'll see.

Of course it is...most females love your balls.

Unfortunately there are others out there that love your balls for your money. They see your balls as an ATM machine. They love and caress them, making you believe it's true love and then they take that love coming from your balls and trap you...your balls then become a sperm donor. And now your balls are screwed over.

You have to learn to distinguish the difference between these types of females. Us females can spot them a mile away. Don't let your ballsack and little head rule your big head.

[Woodman]

Nah, more like anti-have my balls in the vice of the state balls.

all im trying to do is keep my balls and have a relationship with a female AT THE SAME TIME!
I'm not sure if this is even possible? guess we'll see.

The ball is in your court.

[jonbuoy]

If you choose a life partner mainly based on looks/body dont be surprised if they turn out to be a bitch/bastard.

[Tazz]

I could fuck around trying to find a descent female thats not been beat up or used up or had kids, but I'm not.

Maybe it's so hard because you're not quite the catch you think you are? Who knows....:bleh:

[jonbuoy]

I think going half way around the world is far enough out side my social circle haha.

I could fuck around trying to find a descent female thats not been beat up or used up or had kids, but I'm not.

Do you really think a woman wants to date someone with an attitude like that. I think they aren't interested in you because your a cunt- and they already have one of those.

[yokel]

Of course it is...most females love your balls.

Unfortunately there are others out there that love your balls for your money. They see your balls as an ATM machine. They love and caress them, making you believe it's true love and then they take that love coming from your balls and trap you...your balls then become a sperm donor. And now your balls are screwed over.

You have to learn to distinguish the difference between these types of females. Us females can spot them a mile away. Don't let your ballsack and little head rule your big head.

there's not much to distinguish, almost all women are the same.
you are one decision away from being one of "those" females, you just choose not to .......... for now.
you know full well how to have control over a man, can you be trusted not to?

and If some woman ever tries to remove my kids from me she could very well end up in a pine box? this is why I've had any just yet.




Maybe it's so hard because you're not quite the catch you think you are? Who knows....:bleh:

I'm not the catch, the womenz are the catch, the tricky part is keeping the dam things, me being a tight cunt is not helpful haha

[Woodman]

Yokel, it sounds like you need to invest in some brylcream, a comb and a suburban club membership, and learn to take 7 hours to drink a jug.

[yokel]

Yokel, it sounds like you need to invest in some brylcream, a comb and a suburban club membership, and learn to take 7 hours to drink a jug.

whatyoutalkinboutwillis?

[Stirts]

there's not much to distinguish, almost all women are the same.
you are one decision away from being one of "those" females, you just choose not to .......... for now.
you know full well how to have control over a man, can you be trusted not to?

Oh for sure, that's me and almost all woman to a tee :facepalm:

Given your above statement...I would've adjusted the below statement slightly.


me being a tight cunt is not helpful haha

[Banditbandit]

there's not much to distinguish, almost all women are the same.

Bullshit - such a comment just shows your inexperience and naivity ...



you are one decision away from being one of "those" females, you just choose not to .......... for now.
you know full well how to have control over a man, can you be trusted not to?

Women only get control over a man if the man lets them ... are you so wimpy that you can't say no to them? Or are you easily cunt-struck?


and If some woman ever tries to remove my kids from me she could very well end up in a pine box? this is why I've had any just yet.



How terribly Christian of you ...

If you have kids with the right woman that would not be a problem.

[buggerit]

there's not much to distinguish, almost all women are the same.
you are one decision away from being one of "those" females, you just choose not to .......... for now.
you know full well how to have control over a man, can you be trusted not to?

and If some woman ever tries to remove my kids from me she could very well end up in a pine box? this is why I've had any just yet.





I'm not the catch, the womenz are the catch, the tricky part is keeping the dam things, me being a tight cunt is not helpful haha

Some people are just more suited to the rental market:rolleyes:

[Woodman]

whatyoutalkinboutwillis?

Just go to any Suburban type club and ask where the Mysoganists hang out.

You will see what I mean.

[yokel]

Bullshit - such a comment just shows your inexperience and naivity ...




Women only get control over a man if the man lets them ... are you so wimpy that you can't say no to them? Or are you easily cunt-struck?




How terribly Christian of you ...

If you have kids with the right woman that would not be a problem.


Some people are just more suited to the rental market:rolleyes:

you know I reckon those Christians might be on to something?

the funny thing is that it is now sociably unacceptable for a man to be a man and a woman to be a woman, and people wonder why their relationships are shit.

your own flesh and blood is owned by the state. why the fuck have kids when they are not yours?

[yokel]

Some people are just more suited to the rental market:rolleyes:

well not me, I would never pay money to root some slapper

[Banditbandit]

you know I reckon those Christians might be on to something?

the funny thing is that it is now sociably unacceptable for a man to be a man and a woman to be a woman, and people wonder why their relationships are shit.

your own flesh and blood is owned by the state. why the fuck have kids when they are not yours?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HvGte70ttCc/TxePXKYq4dI/AAAAAAAAYy0/naFljrgnqHc/s1600/funny-dog-laughing-poster-you-funny-kid.jpg

[yokel]

Women? you cant reason with em and you're not allowed to hit em, so what'd ya do??

[buggerit]

Women? you cant reason with em and you're not allowed to hit em, so what'd ya do??

Pneumatics?

[mashman]

Women? you cant reason with em and you're not allowed to hit em, so what'd ya do??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMimqfJVedE

[Virago]

Women? you cant reason with em and you're not allowed to hit em, so what'd ya do??

What do you do? Seek psychiatric help - urgently.

[jim.cox]

What do you do? Seek psychiatric help - urgently.

Money wasted on psychiatrists would be better spent on beer

[yokel]

Money wasted on psychiatrists would be better spent on beer

Yeah I'd wouldn't wast any money on psychiatric help for a woman

[jim.cox]

Yeah I'd wouldn't wast any money on psychiatric help for a woman

Or beer for that matter...

[Woodman]

What do you do? Seek psychiatric help - urgently.

The only psychiatric help that would be of any use to Yokel would be a book by Houdini on how to extricate ones self from a straight jacket.

[jonbuoy]

Women? you cant reason with em and you're not allowed to hit em, so what'd ya do??

I don´t think you can blame a whole gender for your bad experiences. Either the problem is within you - or the women your choosing. Either way its your fault.

[schrodingers cat]

So, some bloke feels insecure enough about being single by choice (allegedly) to start a movement? :scratch:

Yes but with a facebook page and a (not so) catchy acronym.
Cause real independent fellas tell the world about it in between scaling mountains and changing tractor tyres

[rgvsmoker]

I don´t think you can blame a whole gender for your bad experiences. Either the problem is within you - or the women your choosing. Either way its your fault.

You've missed the point mate. The problems facing men (& fathers) today is not about bad females (also a problem) but the system that's been put in place.

Like Yokel said, it all enables a decision they can make at any time to "take their rights" as females - ie. take the kids, most money, assets, and have the man paying for most of his life under the excuse that she can't work (as much) due to the children she wants (and gets) custody of!! Family courts enable this as men are seen as the bad guy in breakups*. 92% of single parents in the UK separated from children are fathers. Yet the false narrative is that this is because of (a small number of) deadbeat dads while women are the stoic (welfare enabled) heroes!!

*This decision to flick the switch (ie. divorce) is being initiated by women 70% of the time - US stats. (These sometimes come with false accusations... then she gets the kids.)

It's no surprise when you have free stuff or welfare open to abuse, it ends up getting abused!! Yet we as men are supposed be tough, deny there's a problem and accept it.

Of the 38,000 US suicides in 2010, guess how many are men? 30,000!!

- see links below for details.



Yes but with a facebook page and a (not so) catchy acronym.
Cause real independent fellas tell the world about it in between scaling mountains and changing tractor tyres

It's not about that at all. The "independence" is just a result of not wanting to enter this raw ball-shredding deal. It is an entirely rational reaction from men and its becoming more and more obvious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpBa4ITEcI
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358912/losing-men-interview

[jonbuoy]

You've missed the point mate. The problems facing men (& fathers) today is not about bad females (also a problem) but the system that's been put in place.

Like Yokel said, it all enables a decision they can make at any time to "take their rights" as females - ie. take the kids, most money, assets, and have the man paying for most of his life under the excuse that she can't work (as much) due to the children she wants (and gets) custody of!! Family courts enable this as men are seen as the bad guy in breakups*. 92% of single parents in the UK separated from children are fathers. Yet the false narrative is that this is because of (a small number of) deadbeat dads while women are the stoic (welfare enabled) heroes!!

*This decision to flick the switch (ie. divorce) is being initiated by women 70% of the time - US stats. (These sometimes come with false accusations... then she gets the kids.)

It's no surprise when you have free stuff or welfare open to abuse, it ends up getting abused!! Yet we as men are supposed be tough, deny there's a problem and accept it.

Of the 38,000 US suicides in 2010, guess how many are men? 30,000!!

- see links below for details.




It's not about that at all. The "independence" is just a result of not wanting to enter this raw ball-shredding deal. It is an entirely rational reaction from men and its becoming more and more obvious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpBa4ITEcI
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358912/losing-men-interview

I disagree - a decent woman wouldn't do that. My sister didn't do it in her divorce, neither did my girlfriend. 50/50 custody. Choose your partner carefully.

[unstuck]

Boo hoo Im a victim.:violin::violin:
Fuckin pussies.

[yokel]

I disagree - a decent woman wouldn't do that. My sister didn't do it in her divorce, neither did my girlfriend. 50/50 custody. Choose your partner carefully.

says the man and his sister that have had failed relationships.
any increase in divorce rates or broken families chips away at the fabric of society until there is nothing left, it is a compounding problem.

the new generation of fatherless (whether the dad is present or not) kids are much less likely to turn out to be functional capable adults.

The US is screwed and we're not far behind http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/

[yokel]

Boo hoo Im a victim.:violin::violin:
Fuckin pussies.

Oh unstuck your so manly! Can I suck your cock?

[unstuck]

Oh unstuck your so manly! Can I suck your cock?

Nah, I like women, not whiney little bitches.:2thumbsup

[Banditbandit]

and If some woman ever tries to remove my kids from me she could very well end up in a pine box? this is why I've had any just yet.




You've missed the point mate. The problems facing men (& fathers) today is not about bad females (also a problem) but the system that's been put in place.

Like Yokel said, it all enables a decision they can make at any time to "take their rights" as females - ie. take the kids, most money, assets,

let me see ... Yokel, in the post quoted above, has threatened to kill any woman who every tries to take his kids.

If I was a judge deciding in a breakup of his relationship, whether the kids were better of with their mother, or with the man who has threatened to kill their mother - I would make a very easy choice .. The mother gets the kids, the father has shown that he is potentially murderously dangerous.

Then Yokel would be screaming about the unfairness the system ...

Well, I call BULLSHIT .. look at your own attitudes and behaviours ...





and have the man paying for most of his life under the excuse that she can't work (as much) due to the children she wants (and gets) custody of!! Family courts enable this as men are seen as the bad guy in breakups*. 92% of single parents in the UK separated from children are fathers. Yet the false narrative is that this is because of (a small number of) deadbeat dads while women are the stoic (welfare enabled) heroes!!


And I have had dealings with many men in the past exactly like Yokel .. they show that they are prepared to use violence to keep their kids .. and are therefore shown to be potentially dangerous fathers ...



*This decision to flick the switch (ie. divorce) is being initiated by women 70% of the time - US stats. (These sometimes come with false accusations... then she gets the kids.)

I wonder why women would walk out on a family, financial support and all ??? What have men done to have this occur ?? (Yes, I do agree that relationships have two people involved) .. but the question needs to be asked ... (not all women are money-hungry bitches .. bugger all of them are actually)


It's no surprise when you have free stuff or welfare open to abuse, it ends up getting abused!! Yet we as men are supposed be tough, deny there's a problem and accept it.

Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ... with all the anger thrown around by men at the time of a breakup it's easy to see why the courts give the children to the mother - the display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent.


Of the 38,000 US suicides in 2010, guess how many are men? 30,000!!

- see links below for details.




It's not about that at all. The "independence" is just a result of not wanting to enter this raw ball-shredding deal. It is an entirely rational reaction from men and its becoming more and more obvious.


Suicide is never a rational reaction ... are you seriously suggesting that children should be raised by parents who are unbalanced enough to consider suicide a rational decision ??? You have to be kidding me ..

[yokel]

Nah, I like women, not whiney little bitches.:2thumbsup

So you like woman that are not whiney little bitches? You not like pussy or something?
Whining, complaining and not being able or willing to identify a problem is woman behavior, looks to me that you're the little bitch.

You want to suck my dick then?

[Stirts]

Whining, complaining and not being able or willing to identify a problem is woman behavior

Then stop acting like a woman!

[jonbuoy]

says the man and his sister that have had failed relationships.
any increase in divorce rates or broken families chips away at the fabric of society until there is nothing left, it is a compounding problem.

the new generation of fatherless (whether the dad is present or not) kids are much less likely to turn out to be functional capable adults.

The US is screwed and we're not far behind http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/

It's very rare for someone not to have had a failed relationship in their lifetime. It's how you handle it that counts.

You got burned/hurt and its twisted your view on women. You obviously struggling to find a girlfriend or you would have moved on by now. Don't expect everyone else to join you in your bitter and twisted campaigns. I assume your under 25?

[Bikemad]

So you like woman that are not whiney little bitches? You not like pussy or something?
Whining, complaining and not being able or willing to identify a problem is woman behavior, looks to me that you're the little bitch.

You want to suck my dick then?

fuck man..........how old are you?..........ya sound about 10-12....have you even.....you know....been with a lady.......ya Mum doesn't count.....anyway,hurry up and get to the conspiracy bit........clearly you must think all these evil evil woman must be in cahoots to keep you so downtrodden

[yokel]

let me see ... Yokel, in the post quoted above, has threatened to kill any woman who every tries to take his kids.

If I was a judge deciding in a breakup of his relationship, whether the kids were better of with their mother, or with the man who has threatened to kill their mother - I would make a very easy choice .. The mother gets the kids, the father has shown that he is potentially murderously dangerous.

Then Yokel would be screaming about the unfairness the system ...

Well, I call BULLSHIT .. look at your own attitudes and behaviours ...







And I have had dealings with many men in the past exactly like Yokel .. they show that they are prepared to use violence to keep their kids .. and are therefore shown to be potentially dangerous fathers ...




I wonder why women would walk out on a family, financial support and all ??? What have men done to have this occur ?? (Yes, I do agree that relationships have two people involved) .. but the question needs to be asked ... (not all women are money-hungry bitches .. bugger all of them are actually)



Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ... with all the anger thrown around by men at the time of a breakup it's easy to see why the courts give the children to the mother - the display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent.



Suicide is never a rational reaction ... are you seriously suggesting that children should be raised by parents who are unbalanced enough to consider suicide a rational decision ??? You have to be kidding me ..

Why the fuck do I need some fucking judge to tell me what right for my kids?
Men have every right to be fucking angry,
Men make the babies not women.

[pzkpfw]

Geez, he can't even Tango.

[Banditbandit]

Why the fuck do I need some fucking judge to tell me what right for my kids?
Men have every right to be fucking angry,
Men make the babies not women.

We all have an interest in how children are raised .. do we seriously want some angry father like you raising angry kids who then perpetrate the violence on the rest of us ???

The role of the family court is to protect the children .. NOT giving children to angry/violent fathers would seem to be fulfilling that role ... and you continue to prove you are angry and you display tendencies towards violence .. do you seriously expect us to say you could be a good father ??? Not even ..

Babies are made by a couple and raised by a village .. and they are not owned by fathers - children are not possessions ...

[unstuck]

You want to suck my dick then?

Nah, not into goat shit either. I can see why you would have relationship issues, your a fuckwit.:laugh:

[Bikemad]

Why the fuck do I need some fucking judge to tell me what right for my kids?
Men have every right to be fucking angry,
Men make the babies not women.

you do know it's called MOTHER nature eh?

[yokel]

We all have an interest in how children are raised .. do we seriously want some angry father like you raising angry kids who then perpetrate the violence on the rest of us ???

The role of the family court is to protect the children .. NOT giving children to angry/violent fathers would seem to be fulfilling that role ... and you continue to prove you are angry and you display tendencies towards violence .. do you seriously expect us to say you could be a good father ??? Not even ..

Babies are made by a couple and raised by a village .. and they are not owned by fathers - children are not possessions ...

what a load of PC nonsense, the role of the "family" court is to destroy the family unit and to flush the cash from men to keep the economy rolling, has fuck all to do with protecting children.

violence doesn't come from anger, it comes from frustration.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting angry, a man not being able to express anger can lead to things like suicide and depression or just being a emasculated placid dumb dumb.

who bakes the cake? the baker or the oven?

babies are made from a man's intention and decision to have sex, not a couple or village. this is why men are ultimately held responsible.

what's this shit about children not being owned by fathers? why pay something like child support that according to you is not yours?




Nah, not into goat shit either. I can see why you would have relationship issues, your a fuckwit.:laugh:

who said anything about goats? that could be fun you know


you do know it's called MOTHER nature eh?

no it's not, it's called the father son and holy spirit.

[Banditbandit]

what a load of PC nonsense, the role of the "family" court is to destroy the family unit and to flush the cash from men to keep the economy rolling, has fuck all to do with protecting children.

violence doesn't come from anger, it comes from frustration.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting angry, a man not being able to express anger can lead to things like suicide and depression or just being a emasculated placid dumb dumb.

who bakes the cake? the baker or the oven?

babies are made from a man's intention and decision to have sex, not a couple or village. this is why men are ultimately held responsible.

what's this shit about children not being owned by fathers? why pay something like child support that according to you is not yours?





who said anything about goats? that could be fun you know



no it's not, it's called the father son and holy spirit.


http://barbaradenny.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/If-youre-in-a-hole-stop-digging.jpg

[Virago]

Why the fuck do I need some fucking judge to tell me what right for my kids?
Men have every right to be fucking angry,
Men make the babies not women.

Dude. Get some help. Seriously, get some help.

[yokel]

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/3491371.jpg

[TheDemonLord]

Oh God!

I'm in a thread agreeing (partially) with Yokel!

but I don't have time for a full debate so I will be brief:

I don't subscribe to MGTOW, or MRM or MRA myself.

Mainly because I find that while they raise good points, they are also guilty of letting Ideology cloud decisions.

To state my position would be this:

If we look at history - there have been a number of both Laws and societal conventions put into place - some with noble intention, others with the sole agenda of maintaning an inequitable status quo.

Then came first wave feminism (the Suffrage movement) and women got the vote - Awesome!

Then came second wave feminism (the birth of Feminism/Womens Lib) and women got equal pay, the right to work etc. - Awesome!

Then we have third wave feminism (Tumblr Feminism) and this is where it gets a little interesting - we have a group of people who firmly believe that women (particularly in the western world) are still actively oppressed by an overarching organization known as the Patriarchy.

So finally we have groups of men that look at all the changes that happened during womens Lib, and go 'Cool, so if Women are now Equal to men (and rightly so) what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

[yokel]

shit Banditbandit I didnt realise you are actually David Cunliffe?


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[yokel]

Oh God!

I'm in a thread agreeing (partially) with Yokel!

but I don't have time for a full debate so I will be brief:

I don't subscribe to MGTOW, or MRM or MRA myself.

Mainly because I find that while they raise good points, they are also guilty of letting Ideology cloud decisions.

To state my position would be this:

If we look at history - there have been a number of both Laws and societal conventions put into place - some with noble intention, others with the sole agenda of maintaning an inequitable status quo.

Then came first wave feminism (the Suffrage movement) and women got the vote - Awesome!

Then came second wave feminism (the birth of Feminism/Womens Lib) and women got equal pay, the right to work etc. - Awesome!

Then we have third wave feminism (Tumblr Feminism) and this is where it gets a little interesting - we have a group of people who firmly believe that women (particularly in the western world) are still actively oppressed by an overarching organization known as the Patriarchy.

So finally we have groups of men that look at all the changes that happened during womens Lib, and go 'Cool, so if Women are now Equal to men (and rightly so) what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

womens lib, from the home to the work place, what a awesome idea?
now women complain about the "man drought" ladies, you are now the man.

Feminism is a fucking scam, from the right to vote to now.

one thing is for sure people cant stand to hear a man complaining, seems to be part of our social conditioning.

[schrodingers cat]

one thing is for sure people cant stand to hear a man complaining, seems to be part of our social conditioning.

Rather like Unstuck I'm struggling to identify a MAN complaining, just some moron with anger issues and a big fuck off chip.

PS - I'm sure I'm not your type but I don't want to suck your cock either ( although I'm not sure what your sexuality has to do with it )

[rgvsmoker]

I disagree - a decent woman wouldn't do that. My sister didn't do it in her divorce, neither did my girlfriend. 50/50 custody. Choose your partner carefully.

Well advised caution. But it's chance - they might or might not abuse the system. ie. She might not have known any better. Maybe the court didn’t get involved and she didn’t have a lawyer to tell her how to use (abuse) the system in the routine way.

With the net and people waking up to how the world really works you can't rely on ignorance for long. For men we get shut up by today’s widespread feminist mentality even for speaking about our rights... that keeps us fairly ignorant (as seen here) until we manage to find out what's happening.

When Florida passed a law for all cases to be 50/50 custody splits the feminists threw a hissy fit and got it thrown out because it threatened the $$ gravy train. That’s where we are today.

But some are fighting for a fairer system - here's a very sad case where one guy is doing it from the grave (suicide note) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwrJHxfWgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meOY49_4q_0&src_vid=6IgqYJwWzOQ

(And these are the misguided feminists who enable this further to all the rights they've already won -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw&t=0m41s )

[ellipsis]

Oh God!

I'm in a thread agreeing (partially) with Yokel!

but I don't have time for a full debate so I will be brief:

I don't subscribe to MGTOW, or MRM or MRA myself.

Mainly because I find that while they raise good points, they are also guilty of letting Ideology cloud decisions.

To state my position would be this:

If we look at history - there have been a number of both Laws and societal conventions put into place - some with noble intention, others with the sole agenda of maintaning an inequitable status quo.

Then came first wave feminism (the Suffrage movement) and women got the vote - Awesome!

Then came second wave feminism (the birth of Feminism/Womens Lib) and women got equal pay, the right to work etc. - Awesome!

Then we have third wave feminism (Tumblr Feminism) and this is where it gets a little interesting - we have a group of people who firmly believe that women (particularly in the western world) are still actively oppressed by an overarching organization known as the Patriarchy.

So finally we have groups of men that look at all the changes that happened during womens Lib, and go 'Cool, so if Women are now Equal to men (and rightly so) what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'


...if cunts don't agree with me on basic conditions they are wankers that I will expunge from my horizon...or take them fishing...you would probably just get ten points out of nine...

[rgvsmoker]

Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ... with all the anger thrown around by men at the time of a breakup it's easy to see why the courts give the children to the mother - the display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent.

Suicide is never a rational reaction ... are you seriously suggesting that children should be raised by parents who are unbalanced enough to consider suicide a rational decision ??? You have to be kidding me ..

"The display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent."
Wow, this is exactly the stereotyping of your fellow brother that gets them screwed over in the first place. It's endemic in our society. (It is called misandry.) Don't believe it? Spare some time and learn brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpmEnR_u1c

"Suicide is never a rational reaction"
Judge the above case (my last post) for yourself. If you have a system that is able to completely grind you down at the whims of your ex-wife who can also bankrupt you, it's debatable whether life is still worth living. He made his (rational?) choice. Put yourself in his shoes and judge if you like mate.

"Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ..."
Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. The above (suicide) case and stories like Glen Poole's seem to be the tip of the iceberg.

[bogan]

what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

Yeh, where's my maternity leave!

[Bikemad]

what a load of PC nonsense, the role of the "family" court is to destroy the family unit and to flush the cash from men to keep the economy rolling, has fuck all to do with protecting children.

violence doesn't come from anger, it comes from frustration.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting angry, a man not being able to express anger can lead to things like suicide and depression or just being a emasculated placid dumb dumb.

who bakes the cake? the baker or the oven?

babies are made from a man's intention and decision to have sex, not a couple or village. this is why men are ultimately held responsible.

what's this shit about children not being owned by fathers? why pay something like child support that according to you is not yours?





who said anything about goats? that could be fun you know



no it's not, it's called the father son and holy spirit.

is that you Ed............

[jonbuoy]

Yeh, where's my maternity leave!

Scandinavian system seems to be the fairest. Both parents are entitled to maternity leave. I really don´t think Yokel has too much to worry about - the chances of a female wanting to pro-create with him are pretty slim.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeh, where's my maternity leave!

Well, it would be Paternity leave in NZ - but yes, that is one area.

I'm not going to respond directly to Yokel - he is the reason I cannot support directly any of the movements as there is a group who are active who still cling to 1950's family values (which IMO is wrong)

But yes, there are areas where women still get a rough deal, there are areas where men have always got a rough deal (mainly because they got a sweet deal in other areas) it is now time to address those areas so that both men and women can enjoy true equality

[Tazz]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/305/442/111.jpg

[Oblivion]

Wheres the I dont give a fuck button? I was told that it would be around here somewhere?

Honestly. If you don't like the compromise that you have to deal with as part of being in a relationship, then honestly get out of them. Because you can go through multiple women, but the only recurring factor is you.

Better yet find one that doesn't mind that you eat like shit and drink piss :bleh:

[Banditbandit]

shit Banditbandit I didnt realise you are actually David Cunliffe?



WTF ??? You are a complete fool aren't you ...




When Florida passed a law for all cases to be 50/50 custody splits the feminists threw a hissy fit and got it thrown out because it threatened the $$ gravy train. That’s where we are today.

Florida ?? WTF ?? Godzone has had such a law for a very long time .. what the fuck has Florida got to do with us???


But some are fighting for a fairer system - here's a very sad case where one guy is doing it from the grave (suicide note) -

[
(And these are the misguided feminists who enable this further to all the rights they've already won -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw&t=0m41s )

Why are you citing overseas issues??/ Not been like that here for a long time ..


"The display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent."
Wow, this is exactly the stereotyping of your fellow brother that gets them screwed over in the first place. It's endemic in our society. (It is called misandry.) Don't believe it? Spare some time and learn brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpmEnR_u1c


Yeah .. good examples of angry men who demonstrate why they might not make good parents.


["Suicide is never a rational reaction"
Judge the above case (my last post) for yourself. If you have a system that is able to completely grind you down at the whims of your ex-wife who can also bankrupt you, it's debatable whether life is still worth living. He made his (rational?) choice. Put yourself in his shoes and judge if you like mate.

Again - not relevant to Godzone .. women can't bankrupt men here through divorce settlements .. its a 50/50 split here ...

Are you seriously suggesting that suicide is a rational decision??? (I'd be taking my lithium more regulalry if I was you . )


"Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ..."
Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. The above (suicide) case and stories like Glen Poole's seem to be the tip of the iceberg.

Life happens .. get over yourselves ... (and you are using overseas examples .. not relevant in Godzone ...)

[rgvsmoker]

Florida ?? WTF ?? Godzone has had such a law for a very long time .. what the fuck has Florida got to do with us???

Wrong. Show me that law matey. :Oops:
http://www.jeremysutton.co.nz/uncategorized/fathers-rights-faqs/#d1 50/50 custody and exclusion of the possibility of having to pay for 1-2 decades after divorce is *not* enshrined in our laws. (Neither are cases of false accusations, obviously.) I've seen it myself.



Why are you citing overseas issues??/ Not been like that here for a long time ..


Really? You talk a lot of rubbish without backing it up mate. And you obviously read my piece and didn't bother to look into the guy's case further. The same thing could happen here. All dependent on family court. You don't want to be involved in that shit.

You'd be a fool to have blind faith in our (or their) legal system, especially where family court and rabid feminists hold sway. Just look at university campuses when men's rights people try to speak up. Again, things may be worse overseas (more extreme cases), but that doesn't mean men & fathers don't go through similar issues here. In Godzone.



Quote Originally Posted by rgvsmoker
"The display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent."
Wow, this is exactly the stereotyping of your fellow brother that gets them screwed over in the first place. It's endemic in our society. (It is called misandry.) Don't believe it? Spare some time and learn brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpmEnR_u1c

Yeah .. good examples of angry men who demonstrate why they might not make good parents.


Sure we don't disagree with that - if it the guys is out of control for no good reason. But again, you ignored the point I made and decided to repeat the bullshit the last guy said. :facepalm: Real smart mate.

[Banditbandit]

Wrong. Show me that law matey.









Division of relationship property
(1)On the division of relationship property under this Act, each of the spouses or partners is entitled to share equally in—
(a)the family home; and
(b)the family chattels; and
(c)any other relationship property.
(2)This section is subject to the other provisions of this Part.



Part 4, section 11 of the Property (Relationships) Act 1976

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1976/0166/latest/DLM440945.html?search=qs_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_marriage_resel_25_h&p=1

[rgvsmoker]

Part 4, section 11 of the Property (Relationships) Act 1976

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1976/0166/latest/DLM440945.html?search=qs_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_marriage_resel_25_h&p=1

Haha, you believe the RPA 1976 applies to children (as property? lol) and supersedes the family court?? cough-fool-cough.

Again, didn't bother to read my link:

Does a father have 50/50 rights to custody of his children?
No. The law does not specify how much time children should spend with each parent and there is no rule as to 50/50 sharing of custody.

Come on man, do I have to spell it all out? :baby:

[rgvsmoker]

The 50/50 split is dead for families. If RPA (1976) meant 50/50 applies to everything, then these would no longer exist:

spousal maintenance, child support and lump sum judgments (not 50/50) at divorce/family courts...

They do.

And that, my friend, is why the Florida 50/50 law was so damn important to those feminists / misandrists.

[Banditbandit]

Haha, you believe the RPA 1976 applies to children (as property? lol) and supersedes the family court?? cough-fool-cough.

Again, didn't bother to read my link:

Does a father have 50/50 rights to custody of his children?
No. The law does not specify how much time children should spend with each parent and there is no rule as to 50/50 sharing of custody.

Come on man, do I have to spell it all out? :baby:

The original discussion that I supplied the law for was about the division of property - not who gets the kids ... can't you even maintain your side of an argument? Coherency would help your cause quite a bit ...

No, I do not think that the law gives 50/50 custody to the children. The children go to the person the courts think will be the better parent. And often the other party gets visiting rights etc ... specified in each case.

I'm not the courts, and I don't always think the courts get it right - sometimes they get it terribly wrong. But we don't get to sit in the family court, we don't get all the information the judge sees even if we do sit in court - so I won't second-guess the judges.

[rgvsmoker]

Ok mate, fair points. But I made it pretty clear it's not just about custody. It's about a $$ transfer that is generally unfair - this is the case whether you have kids or not. When you do it is much worse - women get a far easier deal at a man's (and the state's) expense.

That's one reason why 70% of divorces are initiated by females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA
Even where RPA 1976 is applied, it doesn't result in judgments consistent with that law: ie. 50% of houses and bank accounts solely earned eg. by the man (pre-relationship) often get deemed 50% hers (due to $ mingling and cohabitation). That's not fair (ie. it's not what that law states) but it still happens a lot. So be careful with that.

So my point is, if things were fairer men would be more keen to assume the role we mostly aspire to - husbands / fathers. Heck, I do. But when the system is unfair, fewer men fall for this trap -

Case in point:


The 50/50 split is dead for families. If RPA (1976) meant 50/50 applies to everything, then these would no longer exist:

spousal maintenance, child support and lump sum judgments (not 50/50) at divorce/family courts...

They do.

And that, my friend, is why the Florida 50/50 law was so damn important to those feminists.
And it's not a stretch at all to say men are manipulated into accepting this and staying silent about it. The fact you think things are fair as is - that's part of the problem mate. :cool:

[Banditbandit]

Ok mate, fair points. But I made it pretty clear it's not just about custody. It's about a $$ transfer that is generally unfair - this is the case whether you have kids or not. When you do it is much worse - women get a far easier deal at a man's (and the state's) expense.

That's one reason why 70% of divorces are initiated by females.

Video chopped ...

Even where RPA 1976 is applied, it doesn't result in judgments consistent with that law: ie. 50% of houses and bank accounts solely earned eg. by the man (pre-relationship) often get deemed 50% hers (due to $ mingling and cohabitation). That's not fair (ie. it's not what that law states) but it still happens a lot. So be careful with that.

So my point is, if things were fairer men would be more keen to assume the role we mostly aspire to - husbands / fathers. Heck, I do. But when the system is unfair, fewer men fall for this trap -

Case in point:


And it's not a stretch at all to say men are manipulated into accepting this and staying silent about it. The fact you think things are fair as is - that's part of the problem mate. :cool:

OK - I do get all that - I do understand what you are saying. I don't agree. let me think about this and I will reply ... possibly tomorrow ..

[TheDemonLord]

Bandit -

You don't have to join the MGTOW/MRA/MRM or completely agree with people like Yokel, but here are a few other things where there is disparity in favour of women.

Domestic Abuse - There are far, far, far more Battered women shelters than Battered men shelters, and yet Domestic abuse in heterosexual relationships is almost 50/50 (I think the actual figure is 55/45) surely if society was about true equality, the number of shelters would correlate with the % of abuse

Draft - not an Issue in NZ, but in other countries where there is a Draft, Women are exempt, Men aren't - when was the last time you heard about women fighting for the right to be forced to combat?

Women-only scholarships - I have no problem per se with them - so long as there is an equal number of Men only scholarships (which don't exist, and if they did there would be a furor)

Women only positions in companies/Mandates for a minimum percentage of women in certain roles - Let those that are most qualified be appointed to higher positions - regardless of whether they are Male or Female. If a women only gains access to a position solely to fill a quota or by her gender, then isn't this just another form of sex discrimination?

these are but a few.

I will restate I am all for equality, but I mean equality, not just improvements to areas where people get a bad deal, but reductions in areas where they get a sweet deal

[rustyrobot]

Domestic Abuse - There are far, far, far more Battered women shelters than Battered men shelters, and yet Domestic abuse in heterosexual relationships is almost 50/50 (I think the actual figure is 55/45) surely if society was about true equality, the number of shelters would correlate with the % of abuse


Got any more statistics you want to make up? There is a woman killed by her partner every 6 weeks in New Zealand. I think the average is 2 men per year. It is clear that there is domestic violence against both males and females in this country the viciousness and severity of violence towards women is far higher than towards men.

Women set up those shelters themselves because they needed protection from men, if you really think there is a need for shelters for men, then get about setting some up. I'll support you - don't just harp on about how unfair and unbalanced the world is.



Draft - not an Issue in NZ, but in other countries where there is a Draft, Women are exempt, Men aren't - when was the last time you heard about women fighting for the right to be forced to combat?


When was the last time you heard about men fighting for the right to be forced in to combat? Women serve in the Israeli military.



Women-only scholarships - I have no problem per se with them - so long as there is an equal number of Men only scholarships (which don't exist, and if they did there would be a furor)


Glad to see this concerns you so much, pity no men ever mentioned it when women weren't allowed in Universities or able to attain higher education. I understand that you are too busy feeling sorry for yourself, but you need to look at the big picture my friend - like the last 5,000 years or so.




Women only positions in companies/Mandates for a minimum percentage of women in certain roles - Let those that are most qualified be appointed to higher positions - regardless of whether they are Male or Female. If a women only gains access to a position solely to fill a quota or by her gender, then isn't this just another form of sex discrimination?


It's about redressing a balance again. I can tell this isn't going to go anywhere, but I'll try anyway. Given that men have assumed and controlled 99.99% of the positions of power over the last few thousand years, it feel pretty fair to give women a go. If that means forcing a few of the men who clutch at that position to step aside - so be it.

I don't get what you are so afraid of anyway - if you're such a corporate go-getter you'll still have a chance to climb to the top of the 50% of spots left. Your directorship is not at threat.



these are but a few.

I will restate I am all for equality, but I mean equality, not just improvements to areas where people get a bad deal, but reductions in areas where they get a sweet deal


And I will say that equality doesn't mean sameness, and it also doesn't come about just because you say "I believe in equality". I understand that there are some men who have grievances, but this Men Going Their Own Way thing - apart from sounding like a gay camping trip, mostly appears like spoilt men who are used to getting everything their own way, and can't handle sharing.

[unstuck]

but this Men Going Their Own Way thing - apart from sounding like a gay camping trip, mostly appears like spoilt men who are used to getting everything their own way, and can't handle sharing.

:lol::lol::lol::2thumbsup

[yokel]

Bandit -

You don't have to join the MGTOW/MRA/MRM or completely agree with people like Yokel, but here are a few other things where there is disparity in favour of women.

Domestic Abuse - There are far, far, far more Battered women shelters than Battered men shelters, and yet Domestic abuse in heterosexual relationships is almost 50/50 (I think the actual figure is 55/45) surely if society was about true equality, the number of shelters would correlate with the % of abuse

Draft - not an Issue in NZ, but in other countries where there is a Draft, Women are exempt, Men aren't - when was the last time you heard about women fighting for the right to be forced to combat?

Women-only scholarships - I have no problem per se with them - so long as there is an equal number of Men only scholarships (which don't exist, and if they did there would be a furor)

Women only positions in companies/Mandates for a minimum percentage of women in certain roles - Let those that are most qualified be appointed to higher positions - regardless of whether they are Male or Female. If a women only gains access to a position solely to fill a quota or by her gender, then isn't this just another form of sex discrimination?

these are but a few.

I will restate I am all for equality, but I mean equality, not just improvements to areas where people get a bad deal, but reductions in areas where they get a sweet deal

"people like Yokel" haha funny

feminist complain about negative stereotypes about women like being weak and emotional nut jobs that get knock up, yet complain about rape culture and say all men are rapists.

the world has trued into a hypocritical double stranded mess.

the MGTOW thing is sad, there are plenty of dudes I know that want fuck all to do with women or are angry individuals. I prefer this instead.

http://youtu.be/HAIyhfHt188

http://youtu.be/0tLnWDuZflc

[haydes55]

I'm white, I'm male, I'm able bodied.

Everything I say is racist, sexist, fascist or discriminatory.

When I am discriminated against, whenever I am a victim of racism or sexism, I have no avenue of recourse, no one in my corner, no government department, no minister for my affairs.

Not having a winge, just saying.... Everyone gets their own bit of preferential treatment, unless you're a white male with an able body and a minimum wage or above income.

[yokel]

I'm white, I'm male, I'm able bodied.

Everything I say is racist, sexist, fascist or discriminatory.

When I am discriminated against, whenever I am a victim of racism or sexism, I have no avenue of recourse, no one in my corner, no government department, no minister for my affairs.

Not having a winge, just saying.... Everyone gets their own bit of preferential treatment, unless you're a white male with an able body and a minimum wage or above income.

you forgot to add being straight (assuming)

[rustyrobot]

Everyone gets their own bit of preferential treatment, unless you're a white male with an able body and a minimum wage or above income.

I know right... it's MADNESS. Just show me ONE single multi-national corporation, religious group, government or military which has an able bodied white man of above average income in power. JUST ONE. It's just not damn fair

/sarcasm


* also applies to serial killers

[TheDemonLord]

Got any more statistics you want to make up? There is a woman killed by her partner every 6 weeks in New Zealand. I think the average is 2 men per year. It is clear that there is domestic violence against both males and females in this country the viciousness and severity of violence towards women is far higher than towards men.

Women set up those shelters themselves because they needed protection from men, if you really think there is a need for shelters for men, then get about setting some up. I'll support you - don't just harp on about how unfair and unbalanced the world is.

Okay, I am going to start nice here - but your opinion about Domestic Abuse (that its far higher one way) is NOT supported by numerous studies

"Women reported committing one-sided attacks more than twice as often as men (70% versus 29%)"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence

"The 1985 U.S. National Family Violence Survey, carried out by Murray A. Straus and Richard J. Gelles on a nationally representative sample of 6,002 couples, found that when a woman called the police to report IPV, the man was ordered out of the house in 41.4% of cases. However, when a man called, the woman was ordered out of the house in 0% of cases. When a woman called, the man was threatened with immediate arrest in 28.2% of cases; when a man called, the woman was threatened with arrest in 0% of cases. When a woman called, the man was threatened with arrest at a later date in 10.7% of cases; when a man called, the woman was threatened with arrest at a later date in 0% of cases. Whan a woman called, the man was arrested in 15.2% of cases; when a man called, the woman was arrested in 0% of cases. In fact, in 12.1% of cases when the man called, the man himself was arrested."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

And here is an NZ study for you:

"In New Zealand, the twenty-one year Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study, published in 1999, reported that of their sample of 1,037 people, 27% of women and 34% of men reported being physically abused by a partner, with 37% of women and 22% of men reporting they had perpetrated IPV.[34] Also in New Zealand, a 2009 report by the Journal of Applied Social Psychology evaluated samples of university students (35 female, 27 male), general population (34 female, 27 male), and incarcerated participants (15 female, 24 male), and found that 16.7% of the male respondents reported physical abuse (12.9% for students and 15.4% for convicts), while 29.5% reported bidirectional (i.e. both partners commit IPV against one another) violence (14.5% for students and 51.3% for convicts)"

(same source as above)

In fact - go read the entire Article - then come back to this debate. I won't even go into theory that information about Women on Male violence is actively suppressed by those who benefit/profit from perpetuating the notion that women are always the victims


When was the last time you heard about men fighting for the right to be forced in to combat? Women serve in the Israeli military.

Women can Serve in the armed forces, only men can be forced. This is a historic hangover from when only men could fight in the armed forces - Various Mens Right organizations have attempted to have this changed in countries where Draft still exists in legislation


Glad to see this concerns you so much, pity no men ever mentioned it when women weren't allowed in Universities or able to attain higher education. I understand that you are too busy feeling sorry for yourself, but you need to look at the big picture my friend - like the last 5,000 years or so.

Except before womens Lib there were women that attained great provedance in Academia (Ada Lovelace, Marie Curie spring to mind) but that aside - your argument is that we spent 5000 years doing something wrong in one particular way, so therefore we should spend 5000 years doing it wrong a different way? This is not about me feeling sorry for myself, this is about the simple fact that if Men were to setup a Men-Only scholarship, there would be an uproar from various groups, yet when there is a Womens-only scholarship - Silence. Treating people differently based solely on their Gender is Sexism - which we must strive to eliminate.


It's about redressing a balance again. I can tell this isn't going to go anywhere, but I'll try anyway. Given that men have assumed and controlled 99.99% of the positions of power over the last few thousand years, it feel pretty fair to give women a go. If that means forcing a few of the men who clutch at that position to step aside - so be it.

I don't get what you are so afraid of anyway - if you're such a corporate go-getter you'll still have a chance to climb to the top of the 50% of spots left. Your directorship is not at threat.

Ah yes - the old redressing the balance arguement: I will make 2 points:

First: How did men assume positions of power - before the Corporates came into existence? Men took risk, cause that is what we are biologically programmed to do, in Nature there is no consolation prize for being 2nd, you are either the best, or you die. So Men have evolved to be risk takers - and many fall by the wayside when their gambles don't pay off, but some, a select few by virtue of their skill, their luck and other factors get a pay out from taking risk. Afterall - it wasn't women that formed Apple, Google, Microsoft etc.

Second point: You have 2 candidates for a position on the board of directors, one Female, one Male. The male is more qualified (more experiance in the field, better degree etc.) Who do you hire?

The obvious answer is the one most qualified for the position - The Male

Same scenario - only this time the Female is more qualified, Who do you hire?

Obvious answer is the Female - most qualified for the position.

Now back to scenario 1, but this time your company has a quota required on the board of directors - who do you hire? You are now hiring someone who is less qualified for the position, based solely on their Gender - this is Sexism, which we must strive to eliminate.


And I will say that equality doesn't mean sameness, and it also doesn't come about just because you say "I believe in equality". I understand that there are some men who have grievances, but this Men Going Their Own Way thing - apart from sounding like a gay camping trip, mostly appears like spoilt men who are used to getting everything their own way, and can't handle sharing.

Actually equality - from a Legal standpoint should absolutely mean Sameness. Men and women should be treated identically by the Legal system.

Now, I agree men and women aren't the same - one carries babies, the other carries up 50% more muscle mass - we have evolved to fulfill different roles in accordance to nature. There are a lot of societal and legal hangovers to the time when society wasn't equal - In area where men got a sweet deal, these have been legislated against, campaigned against etc. Where women got a sweet deal - they still exist, the various womens organisations don't do anything about them (even the ones that proclaim to be about equality) - so it is up to an Organisation of men to do it.

I agree the name does sound like a gay camping trip though :laugh::laugh:

One final anecdote to perhaps highlight my position:

When I was younger (at School) someone wore this Tshirt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversy

Yes, I laughed, cause it was funny - but at the same time, If I wore a Tshirt that actively promoted throwing stones at women, I would be persecuted as a Mysognist, Women hater, compared to backwards countries that still stone women to death for infedelity etc.

And you will be quick to point out that there was controversy on the Tshirt but I think this line from Helen Grieco, executive director of the National Organization for Women sums it up:

"No, I don't think the shirts are cute. But I spend every day on life-and-death issues and don't have time for T-shirt campaigns."

If the roles were reversed and it was a Tshirt that promoted violence against women - I would bet she would have a little more to say than 'She doesn't have time for a T-shirt campaign'

[yokel]

pretty much women should just go back to the kitchen and be the subordinates to men.

Bill burr on domestic abuse.

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[rustyrobot]

pretty much women should just go back to the kitchen and be the subordinates to men

Struggle to see why you are single

What a catch

[Stylo]

Interesting thread, plenty of vitriol and venom out there.

Been with some nasty women in my time. Shockers.

Now with a woman coming up seven years, never had a fight or an argument. Robust discussions of course but never more than that.

Two sides to a coin I guess ...

Life is about being happy aye ?


308887

[unstuck]

Life is about being happy aye ?




Darn tooting it is.:niceone:

[jonbuoy]

pretty much women should just go back to the kitchen and be the subordinates to men.

Bill burr on domestic abuse.



Maybe if men acted like men and not overgrown schoolboys they would. Toughen up, dry your eyes, grow some balls, let it go and move on.

[rgvsmoker]

One final anecdote to perhaps highlight my position:

When I was younger (at School) someone wore this Tshirt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversy

Yes, I laughed, cause it was funny - but at the same time, If I wore a Tshirt that actively promoted throwing stones at women, I would be persecuted as a Mysognist, Women hater, compared to backwards countries that still stone women to death for infedelity etc.

And you will be quick to point out that there was controversy on the Tshirt but I think this line from Helen Grieco, executive director of the National Organization for Women sums it up:

"No, I don't think the shirts are cute. But I spend every day on life-and-death issues and don't have time for T-shirt campaigns."

If the roles were reversed and it was a Tshirt that promoted violence against women - I would bet she would have a little more to say than 'She doesn't have time for a T-shirt campaign'

Yep the double standards are just laughable. If it only were funny... women seem to think so. :oi-grr: Yet the dbl standards (and the women) persist with it. The least we can do is get the ones that directly affect us to at least be talked about. That's why I love funnyman Bill Burr...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr162OZ2Z0w

[rgvsmoker]

"Women reported committing one-sided attacks more than twice as often as men (70% versus 29%)"
Personally I think talking domestic violence and getting traction on men's issues is kind of tough and maybe a waste of time.
Unless it is about how skewed and false the "statistics" are. They always paint women as victims - they say 1 in 4 (or 5) of women is domestically assaulted at some point. That's actually rubbish - see this http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/domestic-violence-industry/1-in-4-women-admit-to-violence-in-relationships/
"research results are narrowed and skewed to achieve an ideologically favorable outcome, particular for media consumption."
And on the other hand, showing women do the same wins us no favours either - we're just men... we're expected to take it. :bash:


Ah yes - the old redressing the balance argument: I will make 2 points:
First: How did men assume positions of power - before the Corporates came into existence? Men took risk, cause that is what we are biologically programmed to do, in Nature there is no consolation prize for being 2nd, you are either the best, or you die. So Men have evolved to be risk takers - and many fall by the wayside when their gambles don't pay off, but some, a select few by virtue of their skill, their luck and other factors get a pay out from taking risk. Afterall - it wasn't women that formed Apple, Google, Microsoft etc.
Second point: You have 2 candidates for a position on the board of directors, one Female, one Male. The male is more qualified (more experiance in the field, better degree etc.) Who do you hire?

The obvious answer is the one most qualified for the position - The Male. Same scenario - only this time the Female is more qualified, Who do you hire?

Obvious answer is the Female - most qualified for the position.

Now back to scenario 1, but this time your company has a quota required on the board of directors - who do you hire? You are now hiring someone who is less qualified for the position, based solely on their Gender - this is Sexism, which we must strive to eliminate.

Bottom line is "the average female earns less than the average man" stats create a problem for us but this is also based on a fallacy.

The whole idea that a woman is disadvantaged in the workplace is flawed. The usual statistics they use should be illegal: they don't compare apples with apples (similar qualification, education level etc) and the participation rate is entirely different to start with!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EK6Y1X_xa4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo

The same applies to black vs white people. I love it when smart black guys tell the world how it really is! (cos they can't get shit for it like men do: false labels like "misogyny"... "patriarchy"... and the like. All bullshit.)
To me this all shows how brainwashed we are by the mainstream media...


Maybe if men acted like men and not overgrown schoolboys they would. Toughen up, dry your eyes, grow some balls, let it go and move on.

Yes and no. Men have done better for society (and ourselves) in the past. Doesn't mean we should give up and let it turn to shit like today.

Maybe we need to realise there's a deliberate element and Rockefeller social engineering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpjmvaIgNA

Also includes dumbing us down worldwide thru state education systems since the early 1900s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYFvdBt-VEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M Now that's a thought - the average guy in the 1800s was more of a free thinker than the average guy today... let's admit it - we are like sheep.

I believe females are slightly more vulnerable to this than males, we're less conformist - but that's just me.

[jonbuoy]

There are no women in the career I'm in - doubtless mine is not the only one. I can't think of many careers that are "women only".

[yokel]

There are no women in the career I'm in - doubtless mine is not the only one. I can't think of many careers that are "women only".

being a solo mother is one.

I've worked with a few women, some are ok but others are fucking useless crying shit stirring self centred cunts, all they care about are their "feelings" mind you there's a few dudes like that too,
when you go to work, leave your "precious" feelings and fragile ego at the door.

[scumdog]

Well as a man you're not meant to feel like a victim, there in lies the problem.
The thing is I see men being emasculated everywhere, by women, government and the media.
Women are just not women any more and so are men.

Your foil cap needs replacing - it's wearing thin...:yes:

[rgvsmoker]

There are no women in the career I'm in - doubtless mine is not the only one. I can't think of many careers that are "women only".

What line of work is that? If that's the case it's probably because they don't want to.

There are also barely any women house movers, scaffolders, abseiling welders, garbage collectors and human forklifts etc... doesn't mean they're the victims of discrimination, lol. (...maybe men are just stronger and better suited.)

Also in most well-paying jobs where you compare apples with apples women don't makes less money than men.

[TheDemonLord]

What line of work is that? If that's the case it's probably because they don't want to.

There are also barely any women house movers, scaffolders, abseiling welders, garbage collectors and human forklifts etc... doesn't mean they're the victims of discrimination, lol. (...maybe men are just stronger and better suited.)

Also in most well-paying jobs where you compare apples with apples women don't makes less money than men.

Its funny how you hear feminists clamouring for more women on the board of directors (High paying positions of power with little in the way of personal hazards) and yet you never hear them campaigning for more women to work in say Mining, Commercial Fishing, Logging or any other industry that has a high fatality/injury rates associated with them.

[jonbuoy]

What line of work is that? If that's the case it's probably because they don't want to.

There are also barely any women house movers, scaffolders, abseiling welders, garbage collectors and human forklifts etc... doesn't mean they're the victims of discrimination, lol. (...maybe men are just stronger and better suited.)

Also in most well-paying jobs where you compare apples with apples women don't makes less money than men.

Marine. Bit of a sexist industry - there are women but they are usually stewardess/chef/purser. There are male stewards/chefs and pursers. I have heard there are female deck officers but never heard of any females on the engineering/technical side. When my sister started work as a corporate lawyer she was told she would never make partner- sure enough when her body clock starting ticking she went on maternity leave, had kids and decided being on 24 hour call wasn't worth it. I don´t know any couples where the man does the major care giving to the kids. Generally its the mum who switches to part time hours and takes time off to look after the kids.

[Banditbandit]

. I don´t know any couples where the man does the major care giving to the kids. Generally its the mum who switches to part time hours and takes time off to look after the kids.


In 2010 there were more than 300,000 stay at home dads in Godzone


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10633316

[Latte]

In 2010 there were more than 300,000 stay at home dads in Godzone


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10633316

Dream job, as long as it came with a house cleaner, and a baby sitter (both female, and hot).

[Stirts]

Dream job, as long as it came with a house cleaner, and a baby sitter (both female, and hot).

And a Chef!! Nothing worse than coming home from a days ride and having to cook!!!

[unstuck]

In 2010 there were more than 300,000 stay at home dads in Godzone



Yep, I decided to be a stay at home dad, as soon as all the kids had left home. Best job I have ever had. :devil2:

[mashman]

In 2010 there were more than 300,000 stay at home dads in Godzone


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10633316

Someday I shall join them ranks... hopefully this year :D

[Voltaire]

Taht wus a watse of twnety minits, where is the cnspiracy theory ( Tauranga spelling)
http://nzpuc.adventist.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Men-Are-from-Mars-Women-are-from-Venus.jpg

[imdying]

Best thing I've seen all day :2thumbsup

I'm so glad these sort of pussy little betas exist in the world, makes every other man look so much better :lol:

[Latte]

And a Chef!! Nothing worse than coming home from a days ride and having to cook!!!

Of Course!, well, almost. Everyone knows _real_ chef's are men, women are merely cooks. So a cook is fine - female and hot.

[yokel]

In 2010 there were more than 300,000 stay at home dads in Godzone


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10633316

those poor emasculated bastards. I hope there's a support group out there for these guys to help deal with the loss of their balls?

unless you've got feminist/cultural marxists rocks in your head and you think this kind of nonsense is just what's needed to help destroy the patriarchy??

minding the kids is women's work, period!



And a Chef!! Nothing worse than coming home from a days ride and having to cook!!!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/12/df/50/12df504056aa7eeed7476b43f3c00ed1.jpg

[scumdog]

Lol. Was it an MGBGT?

Prob'ly a MGBGTV8!:whistle:

[yokel]

and then there's this kind of female insanity http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/66229569/single-ladies-stop-marrying-yourselves

[Stirts]

wifey

I prefer big balls!

[haydes55]

I prefer big balls!


I don't know about your bedroom (or outdoors, not judging) life. But I've never heard of a guy shoving his balls up there.... I usually use the shaft....

[yokel]

I don't know about your bedroom (or outdoors, not judging) life. But I've never heard of a guy shoving his balls up there.... I usually use the shaft....

silly boy, she's after the pleasure and enjoyment (maybe even a little pain?) a big pair of balls can bring in to her life.

[haydes55]

silly boy, she's after the pleasure and enjoyment (maybe even a little pain?) a big pair of balls can bring in to her life.


How can a pair of balls pleasure a woman? You're not trying to put your balls in with the shaft are you?

[scumdog]

How can a pair of balls pleasure a woman? You're not trying to put your balls in with the shaft are you?

Dead right!
There's a shitload of 'know-it-all' twats that THINK they know everything but actually know fuckall compared all of us that are older than 12 years old!!

[scumdog]

those poor emasculated bastards. I hope there's a support group out there for these guys to help deal with the loss of their balls?

unless you've got feminist/cultural marxists rocks in your head and you think this kind of nonsense is just what's needed to help destroy the patriarchy??

minding the kids is women's work, period!






So, you really ARE 12 years old??

Comgratulations...<_<

[Banditbandit]

So, you really ARE 12 years old??

Comgratulations...<_<

And he only posts in the early evening - when he's supposed to be doing his homework. I wonder if his parents know what he's actually doing. Do you think we should tell them ??

[yokel]

So, you really ARE 12 years old??

Comgratulations...<_<


http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/53401150.jpg


And he only posts in the early evening - when he's supposed to be doing his homework. I wonder if his parents know what he's actually doing. Do you think we should tell them ??

you staking me bro? haha
I hardly ever did my home work, spend all day learning mostly useless crap, why do more at home?
look at all the stupid people rolling around with useless stupid crap in their heads, they all went to school.
you're at the top of the heap of stupids.

how about you go and have an "intelligent" conversation with your educated idiot work mates?

[scumdog]

you staking me bro? haha


'Staking'?

Are you a vampire???:pinch: