Where to buy shit that ISN'T made in China.

[Akzle]

fuck china. seriously. fuck the lot of them.

i would most (99/100) times rather pay more for quality and then i never have to buy another one again,
unfortunately, some things made in china are distributed by reputable companies with good service and shit. but fuck them too.

so. if anyone gives a fuck. post up shit that isn't made in china. right now i'm looking at

bosch cordless drill (hungary)
coleman chilli bin (U S of fucken A, which i'm almost as opposed to as china)
dovo knife (germania)
gerber knife (also US, but now, i believe, made in china)
m' nokia (korea??)


what the fuck is wrong with industry in nz, why the fuck are we importing all this SHIT that will end up in our fucking landfills, or be sold back to them to recycle and sell back to us again. stupid fucking stupid fuckers.

[Akzle]

oh, and there's this fucking website if you want to read some shit.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2007/07/19/my_year_without_made_in_china/

[Robbo]

My Metabo battery drill, made in Germany

Can't kill it.:first:

[Brian d marge]

China
thats the place to buy stuff thats not made in china

but seriously

There are some very good products coming out of China but I have found that when dealing with them , they are very good at , lets just say making "MONEY"

You have to be careful what you buy from them ( try 2 million yen of springs that met the specs until it was discovered the #$##$## had made them from the wrong material and not said anything )

As for that Gerber knife , I have the multi tool and its a nice bit of kit , but the perang had issues but after the recall seem to be fine , I cant fault my one.

So after saying all of that

I will NEVER buy a pair of Chinese made shoes again ( Limmer boots , hand made in America , expect to get 20 years out of them. )

Stephen

[Tazz]

China has us by the balls, they're just waiting to give them a twist XD

The manufacturing is a worry, as is the stockpiling of precious and or rare resources.

Kind of one for the 'you'd never get to sleep or die from a stress overload if you think/look into this shit to much' basket.

Good to support 'local' industry when and where you can though.

[SMOKEU]

Almost every electronic product or vehicle is going to be made from components that are made in China. So you pretty much have to give up modern living if you want to avoid purchasing Chinese made products.

[Akzle]

Almost every electronic product or vehicle is going to be made from components that are made in China. So you pretty much have to give up modern living if you want to avoid purchasing Chinese made products.

no see this is the point of the fucking thread, smokey. looking for things that ARE NOT, as far as possible.

[Akzle]

Good to support 'local' industry when and where you can though.

i fuken love to. but unfortunately, they often price themselves ridiculously. i dont mind paying a bit more, but some shit's ridiculous.

anyone in NZ make body boards? i want one.

[Motu]

what the fuck is wrong with industry in nz, why the fuck are we importing all this SHIT

After WWII when this country was strapped for cash after spending money defending other parts of the world, to save money, or stacking up more debt buying stuff from overseas, New Zealand industrialised. Tariffs were put on anything we couldn't make here, and so that's what we did, shut ourselves off and made everything in NZ. It was almost socialism, there was lack of choice and we had to buy NZ made. Everyone prospered - cities grew, roads were built, houses and factories were built, there were more jobs than people to fill them.

Some people may think those were horrible days, but we didn't know what we were missing, so it was ok at the time. Personally I don't desperately desire the latest stuff, and I'd be happy to go back to NZ made and jobs for all.

[slofox]

Good to support 'local' industry when and where you can though.

That's why I started this thread, Tazz - because I couldn't find a way to do that with the earplug deal.

[scumdog]

f


what the fuck is wrong with industry in nz, why the fuck are we importing all this SHIT that will end up in our fucking landfills, or be sold back to them to recycle and sell back to us again. stupid fucking stupid fuckers.

'Cos it's cheap as shit to make cos they pay their minions zilch for making them???

[george formby]

Just bought a Solo chainsaw, made in Germany & all my power tools are Bosch, made in Hungary. My bikes were made in Japan & most of my tea tonight wil be NZ. Never crossed my mind until reading this thread. Lots of other stuff lying around which is local, Aussie or US made. Most of the tat, baubles & entertainment stuff will be Chinese or Taiwanese, just a swim away...
Eventually China will adopt and enforce new laws and standards so we are reassured about buying high end or hard working products. It's constant growth, populations & manufacturers. India will start to compete with China soon for cheap stuff. China has to make proper stuff & gain that good reputation to grow. `

[hayd3n]

i fuken love to. but unfortunately, they often price themselves ridiculously. i dont mind paying a bit more, but some shit's ridiculous.

anyone in NZ make body boards? i want one.

my friend makes surf boards, im sure he could make a body board

[Grizzo]

Almost every electronic product or vehicle is going to be made from components that are made in China. So you pretty much have to give up modern living if you want to avoid purchasing Chinese made products.

Yep, and I swear one day some arsehole in China will push the button and my washing machine and toaster will start fucking shit up.....rise of the Chinese made machines:shit:

Hell, if it aint made in China, it's surely assembled there.

[mashman]

'Cos it's cheap as shit to make cos they pay their minions zilch for making them???

So NZers must pay their minions much betterer, in which case they should be able to afford to buy shit that Unzud makes surely?

[Tazz]

Well, I could wank on about this sort of thing for hours (from a manufacturers and consumers point of view) but bugger it, I'm not going to fix anything so fark it XD

Do you realllly need a body board bro? Could you not just use a chilly bin lid or body surf? :p


That's why I started this thread, Tazz - because I couldn't find a way to do that with the earplug deal.

Eh? Think you have the wrong thread man. Earplugs? There are NZ made ones I believe.

[Tazz]

So NZers must pay their minions much betterer, in which case they should be able to afford to buy shit that Unzud makes surely?

Are you being sarcastic or not there? :p

Min wage is already to high here. That's part of the problem. Min wage goes up....EVERYTHING goes up. And who becomes the worst off from it? Min wage earners :doh:

[Zedder]

So NZers must pay their minions much betterer, in which case they should be able to afford to buy shit that Unzud makes surely?

The range of products made here is diminishing and NZ would have to get rid of the Trade Agreements with Oz, China, USA, Chile, Brunei, Singapore etc not to mention John Key...

[Akzle]

my friend makes surf boards, im sure he could make a body board

ask him eh. Im fkn keen.

[AllanB]

Meh - global market now.

Bet the electronic device you started this thread on is made in or at least full of Chinese made parts. Best you not post anymore - they may be tracking you ........

[geoffc]

Closing Hillside in Dunedin that made decent railway wagons etc because the Govt effectively encouraged buying Chinese running stock. Slightly cheaper but shite. NZ skilled jobs lost. Couldn't believe their shortsightedness. :brick:

[Akzle]

The range of products made here is diminishing and NZ would have to get rid of the Trade Agreements with Oz, China, USA, Chile, Brunei, Singapore etc not to mention John Key...

i dont see the problem...

[mashman]

Are you being sarcastic or not there? :p

Min wage is already to high here. That's part of the problem. Min wage goes up....EVERYTHING goes up. And who becomes the worst off from it? Min wage earners :doh:

Just for a change, let's leave it up to reader's choice :eek:

That's just silly talk... are you being sarcastic ;)


The range of products made here is diminishing and NZ would have to get rid of the Trade Agreements with Oz, China, USA, Chile, Brunei, Singapore etc not to mention John Key...

Fortunately we can't eat a lot of those products we don't make here... as for key, I don't eat dick.

[James Deuce]

After WWII when this country was strapped for cash after spending money defending other parts of the world, to save money, or stacking up more debt buying stuff from overseas, New Zealand industrialised. Tariffs were put on anything we couldn't make here, and so that's what we did, shut ourselves off and made everything in NZ. It was almost socialism, there was lack of choice and we had to buy NZ made. Everyone prospered - cities grew, roads were built, houses and factories were built, there were more jobs than people to fill them.

Some people may think those were horrible days, but we didn't know what we were missing, so it was ok at the time. Personally I don't desperately desire the latest stuff, and I'd be happy to go back to NZ made and jobs for all.

No, we were strapped for cash because we refused to sign the Canberra Pact of 1944 which involved handing crown territory over to the US at war's end. Wasn't ours to hand over. Australia initially supported our stance but bailed as soon as the US made it clear they would activate punitive clauses in Lend/Lease agreements. The US made us empty our treasury which contained about 2 million quid at the time for all the Lend/Lease stuff we'd acquired to support their cleanup operations in the Solomons Is. and withdrew logistics and medical support. Check out how many NZers died of dysentery and malaria in the Solomons in 1944 and 1945. 2 of my Great Uncles died of dysentery. US Seebees, predominantly African/American kept the Corsair and Ventura sqns operational by sneaking them fuel and spares, often "timed" parts which created their own problems. All engineering projects underway or being planned in NZ at the time by the US Army Corps of Engineers, like the Wainuiomata tunnel and Transmission Gulley, were cancelled or left incomplete.

It worked out for us in the long run though. The UK only finished their Lend/Lease payments a year or two ago. We got six decades to screw our economy up (repeatedly) on our own. There was a reason you couldn't take more than $400 cash overseas up until the early '80s. We didn't have any cash reserves. There was a reason you had to apply to buy a car that wasn't assembled locally. We couldn't let much cash go overseas, so vehicle imports needed to be worked into trade agreements. From the 1820s on, the US has had a net negative effect on the antecedents of pakeha and non-pakeha society alike. Contrary to popular opinion, the Musket and Blanket economy in NZ was not started by the British Empire.

I agree with the rest of your post though. Unlimited access to oodles of shit hasn't made us better people or a better society.

[pete376403]

No, we were strapped for cash because we refused to sign the Canberra Pact of 1944 which involved handing crown territory over to the US at war's end. Wasn't ours to hand over. Australia initially supported our stance but bailed as soon as the US made it clear they would activate punitive clauses in Lend/Lease agreements. The US made us empty our treasury which contained about 2 million quid at the time for all the Lend/Lease stuff we'd acquired to support their cleanup operations in the Solomons Is. and withdrew logistics and medical support. Check out how many NZers died of dysentery and malaria in the Solomons in 1944 and 1945. 2 of my Great Uncles died of dysentery. US Seebees, predominantly African/American kept the Corsair and Ventura sqns operational by sneaking them fuel and spares, often "timed" parts which created their own problems. All engineering projects underway or being planned in NZ at the time by the US Army Corps of Engineers, like the Wainuiomata tunnel and Transmission Gulley, were cancelled or left incomplete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Pact suggests the Pact WAS signed by both Aust and NZ and this is what pissed off the US. Also suggests that the pact was about Aust/NZ management of the south pacific region rather than handing over to the US.
Do you have any references for further research?

[James Deuce]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Pact suggests the Pact WAS signed by both Aust and NZ and this is what pissed off the US. Also suggests that the pact was about Aust/NZ management of the south pacific region rather than handing over to the US.
Do you have any references for further research?
NZ was the only non-signatory. The Official RNZAF History documents it well. The RNZAF History released for the 50th Anniversary also has a chapter on it. That Wikipedia article is fiction. By the time NZ was forced to agree in pronciple our Treasury had been emptied. The Canberra pact demanded all NZ and Australian administered territories be handed over to the US at the war's end, demonstrating a complete lack of understanding on the part of the US as to who held legal title. Despite the US and Australia signing it, you'll note that territories the Solomons to Fiji remained in crown hands because the UK simply said, "I beg your pardon?", and maintained administrative oversight with an eye to independence.

[Tazz]

Just for a change, let's leave it up to reader's choice :eek:

That's just silly talk... are you being sarcastic ;)

haha, sorry I'm having a few days off coffee so more than usual goes

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[Berries]

I had egg fried rice for tea and it was fucking choice.

[Tazz]

I had egg fried rice for tea and it was fucking choice.

Was it imported?

[Berries]

Yep, from the Chinese on the corner.



They're not all bad, just keep them away from the milk powder.

[Tazz]

At least some of the manufactures over there are hard out heavy metal fans.


They even make toys with heavy metal in/on em for kids to start out young. That's commitment to the cause :Punk:

[gammaguy]

Closing Hillside in Dunedin that made decent railway wagons etc because the Govt effectively encouraged buying Chinese running stock. Slightly cheaper but shite. NZ skilled jobs lost. Couldn't believe their shortsightedness. :brick:

Don't make me laugh

Being shortsighted and saving a cent now and paying a dollar later is the kiwi way

The Chinese love it

[slofox]

Eh? Think you have the wrong thread man. Earplugs? There are NZ made ones I believe.

Mmmm...too much Christmas cheer, eh...

[jasonu]

Are you being sarcastic or not there? :p

Min wage is already to high here. That's part of the problem. Min wage goes up....EVERYTHING goes up. And who becomes the worst off from it? Min wage earners :doh:

Don't forget that on top of the high min wage NZ employers have to pay their employees a shitload of holiday pay and stat holiday money which adds a significant amount to the final cost of the product or service.

[Akzle]

Don't forget that on top of the high min wage NZ employers have to pay their employees a shitload of holiday pay and stat holiday money which adds a significant amount to the final cost of the product or service.

while i accept that paying people a "reasonable" amount is one of the largest "expenses" of a business, i'd say the tax at every step of the way, the insurance, re-insurance (every step of the way) and all the other bullshit that goes with the fucked up capitalist way, is a far higher cost...

[Swoop]

I have discovered this site which supports NZ made products. Easy to deal with as well!

http://www.checkoutnz.co.nz/

[Quasievil]

I would hazard a guess that at least 80% of everything piece of property of KB members here is property originating from China, lets start with your wardrobes

[slofox]

I would hazard a guess that at least 80% of everything piece of property of KB members here is property originating from China, lets start with your wardrobes

As in "Fabric woven in Italy" (but garment made in China)..?

[Motu]

I would hazard a guess that at least 80% of everything piece of property of KB members here is property originating from China, lets start with your wardrobes

Isn't that the point of this thread ? With a daughter being a dressmaker I could have most of my clothes locally made with her label inside - but she tends to put buttons on the wrong side.

[Tazz]

Don't forget that on top of the high min wage NZ employers have to pay their employees a shitload of holiday pay and stat holiday money which adds a significant amount to the final cost of the product or service.

Yeah you just about need to make 100k for each fulltime employee to cover all the costs. After that you're making profit....that goes back into the business. Add some more and you start making money to feed yourself XD

But as mentioned insurances, ACC and all that stuff costs a fair whack too, not to mention you have to pay more for everything as a business. Even the PO box is just about double the cost (even though you can't get half the things you want delivered to it. WTF is up with that!). The Chch EQ hasn't helped insurance costs and demands either. Kiwisaver is an added cost too. It all adds up. I've been out of the job market for a while but I'd imagine Kiwisaver incentives will be included in the wage agreement you sign up too rather than a bonus add on as it has been in the past.


I have discovered this site which supports NZ made products. Easy to deal with as well!

http://www.checkoutnz.co.nz/

Cool wee store.


And back to your bodyboard man, you could have a crack at it yourself if you've got some spare time. A friend made his own surfboard out of carbon fibre. He may have snapped it....but the second one is still going all good, honest XD

[Berries]

I would hazard a guess that at least 80% of everything piece of property of KB members here is property originating from China, lets start with your wardrobes
Mitre 10.

...

[gammaguy]

I would hazard a guess that at least 80% of everything piece of property of KB members here is property originating from China, lets start with your wardrobes

No... Let's start with your motorcycle

Most Japanese bikes are now made in the Golden triangle of China Indonesia or Thailand

Oh.... and so are Triumphs

[Akzle]

No... Let's start with your motorcycle

Most Japanese bikes are now made in the Golden triangle of China Indonesia or Thailand

Oh.... and so are Triumphs

back the fuken truck up.
Who in their right mind would buy a trumpy?

[pritch]

back the fuken truck up.
Who in their right mind would buy a trumpy?

Ummm would need to find someone else to vouch for the "right mind" thing - or otherwise.

KTM, Harley, and others are now made in India as are some Brembos. My BMW riding kit was made in the former Yugoslavia. My Held gloves were made in Hungary not Germany. Some SIDI boots are now made in Romania rather than Italy. The manufacturers go where the labour is cheaper.

A Gerber made in China should be OK, mine is. So is my USA made Gerber, and the Spyderco that was made in Japan. My SJ50 was made in China but to Suzuki standards. There was a post on KB from someone who had worked in China and said what you really need to know is if the client company actually had quality control staff on the end of the production line. Unfortunately that info is not available.

I have previously bought items of Columbia clothing from Farmers Trading, made in China of course. Last winter I couldn't see any so I asked wassup. I was told that the quality was crap so the whole shipment was returned to China. They may try again this year. Evidently Farmers was one customer that didn't have QA staff on the line?

When buying stuff on Ebay I could usually find stuff made in USA, Italy, Germany, Canada, or Britain. At work our computers could not access TradeMe but I could shop up a storm on Ebay each time I bought a new bike. :whistle:

[oldrider]

fuck china. seriously. fuck the lot of them.

i would most (99/100) times rather pay more for quality and then i never have to buy another one again,
unfortunately, some things made in china are distributed by reputable companies with good service and shit. but fuck them too.

so. if anyone gives a fuck. post up shit that isn't made in china. right now i'm looking at

bosch cordless drill (hungary)
coleman chilli bin (U S of fucken A, which i'm almost as opposed to as china)
dovo knife (germania)
gerber knife (also US, but now, i believe, made in china)
m' nokia (korea??)


what the fuck is wrong with industry in nz, why the fuck are we importing all this SHIT that will end up in our fucking landfills, or be sold back to them to recycle and sell back to us again. stupid fucking stupid fuckers.

Because everyone wants to live a high standard of life but the upshot of that means our goods and services are too expensive for us to consume!

Unions? While they have a validity initially ... there is only so much blood you can squeeze out of a stone before the stone colapses!

As for China ... Japan was in the same position pre WW2 ... Chinese quality will improve just as Japan's and Korea's did.

Every market produces quality and crap ... Caveat emptor ... let the buyer beware ... or personal responsibility! (considered rare behaviour in NZ) :mellow:

[SMOKEU]

while i accept that paying people a "reasonable" amount is one of the largest "expenses" of a business, i'd say the tax at every step of the way, the insurance, re-insurance (every step of the way) and all the other bullshit that goes with the fucked up capitalist way, is a far higher cost...

Fucking Jews!


not to mention you have to pay more for everything as a business.

What about trade discount and not having to pay GST on business items?

[Voltaire]

I remember the tail end with wage freezes, useless slipothene retread tyres , Lincoln Turner screwdrivers made of crapite, having to get Postal Notes from the Post Office to buy bits for my VW as the importer wanted to live like a King off the punter, Keith Holyoak and all the cronies with import licences. Thats where your "old Money' coined it.
Its never been better than now.
If people don't want to buy Chinese stuff, you don't have to, just pay more.
Do you get Chinese Jews?:innocent:

[Ocean1]

There was a post on KB from someone who had worked in China and said what you really need to know is if the client company actually had quality control staff on the end of the production line. Unfortunately that info is not available.

There's a particular model lathe available here through several outlets, some of them were indeed made to a certain client's spec' and QA on these was in factory. Some of them, (apparently from the same factory) either didn't meet spec' or were made alongside those that were going through the QA system. So you're right, you can't actually tell unless the product's traceable through standards compliance you're personally familliar with.

A mate's brand new lathe had half a cupfull of sand in the apron feed gearbox, it'd obviously never been cleaned or inspected anywhere from the foundry to the paint shop.

[Ocean1]

What about trade discount and not having to pay GST on business items?

Only the really big businesses get serious discounts. A bottle of argon cost me $395 a bottle, same bottle for one of the big fabricators in NZ is $60. I don't deal with that company any more.

And GST is a consiumption tax, the end user pays, producers claim it back.

[Maha]

''Where to buy shit that ISN'T made in China''? North Korea?

[gammaguy]

back the fuken truck up.
Who in their right mind would buy a trumpy?

tough decision...is it a single A twin.....or a triple....

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[jasonu]

A Gerber made in China should be OK, mine is. So is my USA made Gerber, :

You had me worried for a second. I had to check that my Glock survival knife is still made in Austria. (and it is)

[blue rider]

food.....go to thy local market

furniture.....also markets


clothes ...there is a good range of nz made, some cheat i.e. designed in nz made in china, but still there are good Dressmakers and Tailors

shoes.....Mini Cooper, not cheap but nz made and good

and just to please my inner german....most tools made in germany and or europe are good, sorry nz

yes that shit all costs a bit more than made in china, but fact is we don't yet have the living condition like china. Maybe in a couple of years we to can have that pleasure. I myself have already found a groovy pad under a bridge and am happy to share with likeminded people.

[rustyrobot]

Until we decide to live with less we're better off having all this shit made in China. Have you seen the state of pollution in China recently? The Unbreathable air? The harbours? The rivers? The local environment can't sustain that hard core race-to-the-bottom industrial manufacturing. Sure we all like to have boutique hand-made long lasting big-ticket items, but that's not the bulk of stuff sold in this country, or produced in China. Think about all that plastic shit that fills your kitchen cupboards, the thousands of tonnes of packaging and broken toys being buried in our landfill, and all the cheap crappy circuitry and electronics that are slowly creeping their way into everyday objects.

It's going to take a massive shift in our consuming habits before we are able to buy only NZ Made without turning our own country into a scorched wasteland.

[Akzle]

Until we decide to live with less we're better off having all this shit made in China. Have you seen the state of pollution in China recently? The Unbreathable air? The harbours? The rivers? The local environment can't sustain that hard core race-to-the-bottom industrial manufacturing. Sure we all like to have boutique hand-made long lasting big-ticket items, but that's not the bulk of stuff sold in this country, or produced in China. Think about all that plastic shit that fills your kitchen cupboards, the thousands of tonnes of packaging and broken toys being buried in our landfill, and all the cheap crappy circuitry and electronics that are slowly creeping their way into everyday objects.

It's going to take a massive shift in our consuming habits before we are able to buy only NZ Made without turning our own country into a scorched wasteland.

i do, think about all that shit. I believe it was no less than ocean who suggested leaving packaging at the retailer. Fuken oats! But i try not to buy much of it anyway, certainly fuckall plastic.
As for not polluting our shit? Shipping aint exactly eco friendly. Rena anyone?

[Swoop]

I had to check that my Glock survival knife is still made in Austria. (and it is)
I found it quite interesting on the Megafactories episode devoted to the Victorinox Swiss Army knife.
The head honcho of the place was referring to "imitations and copies" of their knives (he didn't comment on cheap chinese made crap though...). The genuine article has something that the rip-offs do not.
The sound it makes. Simple and clever.

[Banditbandit]

so. if anyone gives a fuck. post up shit that isn't made in china. right now i'm looking at



Oh ... I dunno ... there are a few things made in China that people would pay money for ..

E.G.


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[oldrider]

Oh ... I dunno ... there are a few things made in China that people would pay money for .. E.G.

Obviously the exchange rate would be pretty low though! :whistle:

[Akzle]

Oh ... I dunno ... there are a few things made in China that people would pay money for ..

E.G.


imitation antique gilt framing and synthetic velvet curtains?

[Banditbandit]

Obviously the exchange rate would be pretty low though! :whistle:

Yeah ... the profit's from high turnover, not high charges ...


imitation antique gilt framing and synthetic velvet curtains?

People will pay fuck all for those things too ...