Why are we allowing these eco idiots to abandon their ship?

[carbonhed]

What happens to all the fuel oil and toxic chemicals when the ice finally sinks it? In this pristine environment?

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/shipoffools.jpg

This is a bunch of climate hysterics looking for proof of Globull Warming only to be trapped by record levels of irony and stupidity. Maybe somebody should have shown them this graph of Antarctic sea ice extent and they could have saved us all the trouble of rescuing their dumb arses... and been safe back home at the BBC and Guardian?

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/Antarcticseaiceextent.png

Meanwile the lefty media tries to reinvent these buffoons as "tourists".

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/media_cover_up_warmist_scientists_trapped_by_ice_a re_just_tourists/

[mashman]

:killingme ... taking ice-breakers, that smash chunks of ice off of the main ice-sheet, to measure how much ice has been lost from the ice-sheet. Priceless.

I know. Let's pretend that climate change is real and react accordingly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Let's burn fossil fuels trying to prove us using fossil fuel is fucking the world.

[Robbo]

Serves the Bastards right.:doh:

[carbonhed]

Apparently this is an Australian funded Global Warming wankfest complete with BBC camera crews and Guardian journalists that has come hilariously unstuck... err stuck.... no footage will ever be allowed to hit the airwaves.

From http://joannenova.com.au/

"Why is there nothing on this story on the ABC News homepage?

Because yet again the ABC are playing fast and furious with the truth.

The original story about the research ship getting stuck in the ice was belatedly posted in the “justin” section early Saturday morning (Saturday 27/12/2013 7.04am), when it became obvious the story couldn’t be hidden any longer. I say “belatedly”, because there is a BBC film crew on board. Plus there are reporters from the Guardian. So the whole drama could be being covered live.

Since then, rather than post each new development as a “new” story – such as the failure of the Chinese icebreaker to reach them – the ABC has simply gone back and amended the original story, which now lies about two thirds of the way down the second page of the “justin” section.

However, don’t bother going there if you want to find out any of the real facts. Just some of the things that remain unreported are:

* This is the largest and most expensive Antarctic expedition ever mounted by Australia.
* It is being funded almost entirely by the Australian Taxpayer, as is the rescue operation.
* It’s not about “tourists”. There is the ship’s crew, the BBC documentary crew, the Guardian Reporters, a bunch of mad climate scientists, and a whole heap teachers and PhD students who actually paid for passage so they could be unpaid “research assistants” to the mad scientists.
* By the time this little “Climate Change PR fiasco” is over, the cost to the Australian Taxpayers will run into several millions of dollars.

It is interesting to note that the alleged purpose of this little taxpayer-funded White Christmas jaunt was to study the effects of climate change since Mawson was there, 1911 to 1914. Well, when Mawson was there, he was able to get his wooden sailing ship to within 50 yards of the shore. He couldn’t get closer, not because of ice, but because the water was too shallow. Conversely, the purpose-built, steel construction, ice-strengthened research vessel is currently stuck 60 kilometres out to sea, which is as close as they could get to Mawson’s landing spot, on account of all the sea-ice.

Still, despite the total farce of the situation, not to mention the enormous waste of funds and effort, you have to laugh. Here we have a full, professional BBC documentary film crew, PLUS reporters from the Guardian and Fairfax, caught in the middle of what would, in any other circumstances, be a Pulitzer Prize, Walkley Award winning real-life drama, and because of the politics of climate change, they can’t report it and it’s unlikely that a single second of footage will ever be seen by a member of the general public.

Can you imagine the coverage if instead of being stuck in ice that isn’t supposed to be there, they were all in a small Victorian country town surrounded by bushfires?"

Another telling graph :-

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/Antartcticseaiceanomaly.gif

[Ocean1]

There is the ship’s crew, the BBC documentary crew, the Guardian Reporters, a bunch of mad climate scientists, and a whole heap teachers and PhD students who actually paid for passage so they could be unpaid “research assistants” to the mad scientists.

Perfect B ark material, in fact... :bye:









:woohoo:

[bogan]

That's fucking hilarious, especially the bit about not making it as far as the 1914 expedition due to too much ice :rolleyes:

[caspernz]

That's fucking hilarious, especially the bit about not making it as far as the 1914 expedition due to too much ice :rolleyes:

Interesting reading...alert Wikileaks!!

[oneofsix]

Wait for the press release the says the ice is thickening in a few areas but generally reducing and that the ice is 'new' ice rather than permanent ice and in itself somehow evidence that the climate is warming. :laugh:

[carbonhed]

Further to this comedy of errors. The Russki ship has rung up US weather forecasters to tell them when a wind shift might get them out of the shit they're in... and got put through to Anthony Watts, arch sceptic and head honcho of Wattsupwiththat. He's only too happy to help :laugh:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/31/wuwt-and-weatherbell-help-kusi-tv-with-a-weather-forecasting-request-from-ice-trapped-ship-in-antarctica-akademik-shokalskiy/#more-100200

[avgas]

Like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

Have you ever spooned a man to death?

[Ocean1]

So, the heavy ice is all part of global war... Ah, climate change. It's an extreme weather event, see? like we said was to be expected from anthropomorphic glo... climate change all along.

"While scientists expect and observe more extreme weather with man-made global warming, some say it's not quite fair to blame the Antarctic blizzard that trapped the ship on climate change.

University of Colorado ice scientist Waleed Abdalati, NASA's former chief scientist, cautioned, like many scientists do, that while researchers can spot a trend in extreme weather, they can't immediately associate an individual event -like a blizzard - with changing climate.

When scientists do attribute an individual extreme weather event to climate change, it is usually more than a year later after numerous computer model simulations and then published in a peer-reviewed journal.

Also, Antarctica, which is more governed by localized wind circulation and other characteristics, "is kind of its own beast," Abdalati said. "Antarctica feels the changing climate a little differently than the rest of the world. I myself can't point to the weather and say 'it's part of a changing climate."

[HenryDorsetCase]

I thnk the Chinese overlords have rescued the passengers but the crew are staying put. I suspect that the crew will be breathing a sigh of relief, bringing the hookers out of hiding, cranking up the stereo, chucking some fishing lines over the side (or depth charges) and starting the party. Who wants a toothfish burger and shot of vodka?

[Jantar]

The chinese ship is also staying put as it is also jammed in by ice. Now the australian icebreaker is also in difficulty and barely making 1/4 knot. Its web cams show solid ice all around it. If it doesn't escape before the katabatic winds start up then it may also have to be rescued.

What idiots would plan a sea mission into an area with record ice and expect to find a clear ocean?

[Ocean1]

What idiots would plan a sea mission into an area with record ice and expect to find a clear ocean?

... Wait, it's a trap, innit?

[Swoop]

Wait for the press release the says the ice is thickening in a few areas but generally reducing and that the ice is 'new' ice
Ahh. Modern "improved" ice that is Genetically Modified, improved and resistant to thought waves, nuclear fallout, and green party rhetoric!

What idiots would plan a sea mission into an area with record ice and expect to find a clear ocean?
The rarest of the rare. Genuine IDIOTS!

[Laava]

... Wait, it's a trap, innit?

funny how supposedly smart boffins are often completely lacking in common sense and practical skills.
Someone need to publicly wedgie these guys

[Virago]

...What idiots would plan a sea mission into an area with record ice and expect to find a clear ocean?

While I have no patience with the eco-nutters, I think that surely the captain of the ship must bear ultimate responsibility for the result? He should not be putting his vessel in harms way on the instructions of the passengers?

[kinger]

I was in the British Army on exercise in Germany many moons ago.
The first Land Rover got stuck in mud.
Second one sent to recover it got stuck.
Three tonne truck sent to rescue them got stuck.
Tractor driven by German farmer recovered all three for a huge fee.

just send a German ice breaker.......... :jerry: ............at least you know they won't laugh at the situation!

[Brian d marge]

use table salt to clear Ice and snow from the pathway in winter

Works a treat

Stephen

[HenryDorsetCase]

While I have no patience with the eco-nutters, I think that surely the captain of the ship must bear ultimate responsibility for the result? He should not be putting his vessel in harms way on the instructions of the passengers?

He's Russian. It's "wessel".

His name is Pavel Chekov.

[HenryDorsetCase]

... Wait, it's a trap, innit?

Thank you Admiral.

291867

[carbonhed]

People are starting to laugh.

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[carbonhed]

The carbon footprint of this fiasco keeps growing. Now there's an American icebreaker going down to save the Chinese icebreaker that took over from the Australians who were trying to rescue the Russians... I think. :lol:

[bogan]

The carbon footprint of this fiasco keeps growing. Now there's an American icebreaker going down to save the Chinese icebreaker that took over from the Australians who were trying to rescue the Russians... I think. :lol:

:laugh: Is this the sequel to 'The Little Yellow Digger' or something?

[SPman]

What idiots would plan a sea mission into an area with record ice and expect to find a clear ocean?
I sense a cunning plan............a plan so cunning................

[carbonhed]

:laugh: Is this the sequel to 'The Little Yellow Digger' or something?

Perhaps we could arrange an emergency airdrop of a copy. Did everything end happily?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11181415

[SPman]

http://theconversation.com/an-icebreaker-gets-stuck-in-the-ice-photos-are-used-to-mislead-21736?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+7+Ja nuary+2014&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+7+Jan uary+2014+CID_95a20db5ce0b38d4567ab53c8ed37e0f&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=An icebreaker gets stuck in the ice photos are used to mislead

[carbonhed]

http://theconversation.com/an-icebreaker-gets-stuck-in-the-ice-photos-are-used-to-mislead-21736?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+7+Ja nuary+2014&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+7+Jan uary+2014+CID_95a20db5ce0b38d4567ab53c8ed37e0f&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=An icebreaker gets stuck in the ice photos are used to mislead

Ah yes Stepan Lewandowsky the world renowned Climate Scie.... ooops Cod Psychologist and author of some of the shabbiest smears in the history of the Climate Wars.

[carbonhed]

Climate change has caused the wind to change direction and the ships are now free. Hurrah.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/080114_Rescueoperationscomplete.pdf

[carbonhed]

One more kick to the codpiece for good measure :-

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/01/eco-warriors-stranded-in-the-antarctic-its-too-good-to-be-true/

[Crasherfromwayback]

Reminded me of this for some reason...

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[mashman]

Climate change has caused the wind to change direction and the ships are now free. Hurrah.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/080114_Rescueoperationscomplete.pdf

No no no, that was the breath of God... just to help keeping the righteous, well, righteous.

[carbonhed]

No no no, that was the breath of God... just to help keeping the righteous, well, righteous.

Afloat actually... but you're right, the mighty hand of global warming is, as we speak, on the other side of the planet freezing the testicles off the unbelievers in North America.

[mashman]

Afloat actually... but you're right, the mighty hand of global warming is, as we speak, on the other side of the planet freezing the testicles off the unbelievers in North America.

lol, floaters and wind, arses on boats, what's not to enjoy about the endless debate that has no real clue about what the weather was like a thousand years ago on any given continent... other than the endless debate that is and the no real clue bit.

[Banditbandit]

So the boat didn't sink .. the crew stayed there and got it out of the ice ... it wasn't abandoned. All is well.

All you scaremongers can wander off and find something else to jump up and down about ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

lol, floaters and wind, arses on boats, what's not to enjoy about the endless debate that has no real clue about what the weather was like a thousand years ago on any given continent... other than the endless debate that is and the no real clue bit.

Actually, scientists have fairly good idea of local climate conditions at various ages of the earth's history. Things like tree rings (more growth in a good year, less in a bad year), ice core samples from the Arctic and Antarctic, analysis of geological strata etc enable inferences to be drawn.

[mashman]

Actually, scientists have fairly good idea of local climate conditions at various ages of the earth's history. Things like tree rings (more growth in a good year, less in a bad year), ice core samples from the Arctic and Antarctic, analysis of geological strata etc enable inferences to be drawn.

I can infer that they're wrong, based on the evidence that a top Volcanologist was lowered into a volcano and instantly stated "our models are very wrong". I can infer that tornado's are in fact the finger of God. If the possibility of God exists, so does my inference. He/She may well be pushing the clouds together and then stirring it with his finger, maybe even a whisk, like a chocolate mousse. Now, WHAT IF the evidence has been incorrectly interpreted? Who's to say that the work done back in the day (be it ice cores or rings etc...) was actually a good guess (could there have been those who put up opposing theories and were shat upon because they weren't adopted by the mainstream? History says that is a probability, and quite a high one), I mean a good hypothesis. Let's take the rings and cores for example. We take a tree, cut it in half and go mmmmmm, tree rings. How old is the tree? If it's 5000+ years old, then what was there before the tree? Can trees withstand an entirely different atmosphere and weather conditions? Ice melts, nuff said. The don't know, so they don't have a real clue, just a hope that the guesses made thus far are correct. They can analyse their little butts off, but if a top Volcanologist is stunned when he finds out that a Volcano (a static thing that spews lava, doesn't do much else) works differently to how he thought, then what is the likelihood that things that grow, die, melt, react differently to various weather conditions etc... is correct?

I apologise for questioning the experts, after all, they must know what they're talking about, right?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I apologise for questioning the experts, after all, they must know what they're talking about, right?


questions are fine, but I think your questions display a fundamental lack of understanding of what the scientific method is, what a "Theory" is in that context, and how the sum of human knowledge is advanced.

The test will be whether you recognise the two people in the attachment, and get why this is amusing.

[Tazz]

questions are fine, but I think your questions display a fundamental lack of understanding of what the scientific method is, what a "Theory" is in that context, and how the sum of human knowledge is advanced.

The test will be whether you recognise the two people in the attachment, and get why this is amusing.

I recognize em, at least one anyway...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GEXFDAv9egE/TI-w3QSn-dI/AAAAAAAAACE/MthqupwKluw/s1600/rapist-search-news.jpg

[mashman]

questions are fine, but I think your questions display a fundamental lack of understanding of what the scientific method is, what a "Theory" is in that context, and how the sum of human knowledge is advanced.

The test will be whether you recognise the two people in the attachment, and get why this is amusing.

I get the idea behind scientific "theory", Occam's Razor all the way baby... to put it bluntly. As I mentioned earlier, not shitting all over science/scientists/scientologists and the way they go about things etc..., but, unless you have any facts (which science does not claim to have), then all you have is assumption. I care not how intelligent, logical, advanced etc... it is, when boiled down the findings could be absolute bollocks. Given the variables involved, there's a lot of things to get incorrect when it comes to climate change and the "archeology" of. Our advanced knowledge means fuck all if there something is incorrect dunnit?

Damn. I failed. Where they on a boat that underwent a surprise attack from a pack of ice?

[Banditbandit]

Yeup .. those of you who claim some sort of supremacy for science should go and read Paul Feyerabend's writing on the Philosophy of Science and knowledge in general ...

[Ocean1]

Yeup .. those of you who claim some sort of supremacy for science should go and read Paul Feyerabend's writing on the Philosophy of Science and knowledge in general ...

Why? His claims about what represents science are a construct built solely to abuse the "establishment". There are far fewer inelastic rules governing scientific methedology than any other endeavour I can think of.

[Banditbandit]

Why? His claims about what represents science are a construct built solely to abuse the "establishment". There are far fewer inelastic rules governing scientific methedology than any other endeavour I can think of.

:killingme Yes - he was a good anarchist ... but I disagree that it was soley to abuse the establishment. His discussions with Lakatos are interesting - and make a mockery of claims of "truth".

The second part of your sentence is true .. the lack of rules is the part I was referring to. Too many people believe that science is governed by rules - and produces facts .. and, as Lakatos says, "it is closer to the truth" ... Feyerabend makes the point that those are completely wrong interpretations of science.

[Ocean1]

:killingme Yes - he was a good anarchist ...

It's been decades... but he couldn't see the internal contradiction in his assertion that a doctrine of infinite postulation was inherently constrained by dogma.

Proper science doesn't give a fuck for methodology, that's for academics.

[Banditbandit]

It's been decades... but he couldn't see the internal contradiction in his assertion that a doctrine of inherently constrained by dogma.

Hmm .. I might have to think about that - or can you elaborate?

(You do realise that later in life he said that he could not remember what he written in his earlier years, and he might not agree with it any more anyway )


Proper science doesn't give a fuck for methodology, that's for academics.

:rofl: Dr Feyerabend would so agree with you ...

[jonbuoy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25743806

This will balance it out..... Dont get me wrong these guys are smarter than me but when you read a comment "ive been a solar physicist for 30 years and never seen anything like it" and then realise the sun is 4.5 billion years old you have to wonder.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25743806

This will balance it out..... Dont get me wrong these guys are smarter than me but when you read a comment "ive been a solar physicist for 30 years and never seen anything like it" and then realise the sun is 4.5 billion years old you have to wonder.

Yes - that's right - and shows the fallacy inherent in trying to theorize from inferences.

[mashman]

Yes - that's right - and shows the fallacy inherent in trying to theorize from inferences.

Nah, that kind of talk is bullshit....... according to another thread on here.