Wireless safety?

[Berries]

There is so much shit out there on the interweb I thought I would get the view of the KB experts.

I have an Apple airport extreme running the wireless for my computer. The only phone line in the house that is enabled is in one of the kids bedrooms so that is where the airport extreme sits, emitting all of its death rays etc. The wife has gone all tin foil hat and now turns the thing off when the lad goes to bed leaving me unable to post late night rubbish on KB.

I have read a whole lot of conflicting advice. Of course there are waves everywhere. If you have wireless the waves will be all through the house. Are they stronger and more dangerous the closer they are to the device emitting them? Is it really any different to the original wireless, ie the radio waves that pervade the whole world?

Any decent links appreciated.

[Ntoxcated]

http://www.emfexplained.info/site/misc/image/Fullsize/11032.gif

Guaranteed there are other studies that paint a much worse picture.

[SMOKEU]

It depends which conspiracy theory you'd like to believe. There's so much conflicting evidence, so don't count on a "true" answer.

[AllanB]

Tell her the nipper will be exposed to way more rays once he/she goes to school - telecom love erecting cell phone towers around schools .....

[Akzle]

i wouldnt. The 900MHz to 2.4g that cellular shit runs on is bad for bees.
It hasnt existed long enough for science to work out how badly it will fuck you up.

If rf heats tissue 0.7degree it 900%s your chance of cancer and jew disease.

Find your demarc and run 2wire to a jack in a central location away from people.

Or just cat6 your house like a fucking pro.

Fucking macfag.

[Akzle]

youre in dunedin. The wee tyke probably has 3 arms and 12 toes anyway. Maybe the cancerific will make him normal enough to leave the hole.

[Akzle]

also look up some yasimaru emoto shit. He studied and photographed the effects of waves on water and subsequent ice crystals.

Peoples are 80% water. The brain especially.

[Berries]

youre in dunedin. The wee tyke probably has 3 arms and 12 toes anyway. Maybe the cancerific will make him normal enough to leave the hole.
He's adopted from up your way so we had the arms amputated to stop him thieving.

[bogan]

Think the field strength is inverse distance squared or something. Get it a few m away to be on the safe side.

[Hitcher]

I'm more worried about chemtrails and amalgam fillings than I am about rogue WiFi.

[Smifffy]

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/wifi-effects-on-health-creatine-and-ages-and-introducing-solids/#axzz2pPCXLou9

Mark knows his stuff, and has helped me personally on many aspects of healthy living. He pretty much has a bob each way on this though.

[Berries]

I'm more worried about chemtrails and amalgam fillings than I am about rogue WiFi.
Not bothered about either of those. Serves you right for not wiping your arse or brushing your teeth properly.

Thanks everyone else, some interesting stuff. I was actually open minded when I started this thread, wanting to show my wife she was getting a bit over the top, but do believe the comment that Akzle made about wifi not having existed long enough for science to work out how badly it will fuck you up. I am guessing that having an emitting device close to the head of the bed of a child might not be a good idea, not withstanding all the radio waves and cell phone waves that are banging around every house in NZ.

So, anyone want a five year old? He learnt the F word at Christmas.

[Akzle]

certain frequencies in the rf spectrum are non-harmful to tissue and other shit. Generally of the variety and amplitude found in nature.

I dont run wifi and my cellphones off as often as not. I dont live near people, though can pick up the neighbours wifi (2.4GHz) if i point my high gain antenna dish in their direction, so it is blasting past, just not in useful-for-streaming-hentai concentrations.

Also i live just below the ridge of a north facing hill/bowl so that acts as a collector for lots of rf, its amazing what you can tune into with a wideband hf receiver. Tesla was right, theres a fucktonne of energy up there, grow your hair long and tune into the cosmos!

As for the kid, would you swap for a 7 year old girl that is far too much like her mother?
(the mother is a kamayamaya beyatch)

[Berries]

Maybe when she is 16. I'll be in touch.

:buggerd:

[Swoop]

So, anyone want a five year old? He learnt the F word at Christmas.
Ford?


Stuff that, wash his mouth out with soap!

[Ulsterkiwi]

Think the field strength is inverse distance squared or something. Get it a few m away to be on the safe side.

yup, the inverse square law, can be applied to anything making up the electromagnetic spectrum. Every time you double the distance you end up with a quarter of the intensity.

Distance is only part of the story for protection, the other factors are time and shielding. These are not in your favour as you want to be on KB all the time and shielding is problematic as you actually want to be able to pick up the WiFi signal.

Interesting that Akzle doesnt run his phone a lot. A student of mine did a lit review a few years back about the risk to sperm count in young men carrying cell phones in their trouser pocket. Interestingly the effect was not so much on count but significantly impacted the quality of the sperm. On another vein, I worked with a medical physicist a while back who wouldn't have a microwave oven in his house. Bottom line? Nope we dont understand it all completely and WiFi could be risky, however we are talking risk factors calculated on a population basis, not that helpful in predicting likelihood of an 11th toe growing. Statistically you run more risk of dying of cancer in NZ than any other cause and that depends on many many variables. The only thing that is certain however is that you will die. The decision therefore to place the WiFi source there rather than anywhere else is no more statistically significant or risky than deciding whether or not to eat mouldy bread or cross the street when the little red man says no.

I think what might be more useful to you is that you use the same principles to minimise harm from an angry wife....Time, Distance and Shielding.

[Akzle]

I worked with a medical physicist a while back who wouldn't have a microwave oven in his house.

fuck that, go bunnings and buy a dozen chinese smoke alarms,
its probably depleted uranium they use, but stick a few of them under a frypan and you got wireless cooking!

[wharekura]

Drink fluoridated water once Hamilton City Council puts it back in, and that will disperse the effects of radio emissions.

[Berries]

Drink fluoridated water once Hamilton City Council puts it back in, and that will disperse the effects of radio emissions.
I am fucked if I am moving to Hamilton to fix it.

[G4L4XY]

Maybe he will dream about the interwebs with the airport extreme thingy being so close to his brain

[FJRider]

Tell the Mrs to sell her cell phone too ... can't be too careful around kids ...

[george formby]

Grow your own fruit & veggies & eat lots of them. Minimise processed food & cut back on red meat, factory farmed chicken etc.
Give your body a decent chance of healing any death ray damage. Probably a better option all round in the long run.

[Fatjim]

There is no way you can PROVE that wifi is not harmful over time. However what you can say is that if you are prepared to live with a cellphone that has both cellular (2.1GHZ) and wifi radios in it next to your skin 10-16 hours a day, then other wifi which eminates from much further away and therefor 8-10 orders of magnitude lower strength of is of much lower risk.

This is why the school that recently pulled wifi was being a bit daft. The parents will undoubtably have wifi at home as a rule, and more than likely a large number of kids live with phones in their pockets.

FYI, Wireless access points are deemed safe if they are operated at least 20cm away from humans.

[Ocean1]

There is so much shit out there on the interweb

Ain't there though? It's fucking astounding the sheer quantity of misinformation and general conspiracy theorist gobbledegook polluting the system.


On another vein, I worked with a medical physicist a while back who wouldn't have a microwave oven in his house.

Another vein. :facepalm:

Think I know his wife, she wouldn't feed her kid milk that'd been warmed in a microwave...

[BoristheBiter]

The other one is how many heat food in, or covered, by plastic?

[Ocean1]

The other one is how many heat food in, or covered, by plastic?

Some are supposed to be OK. Not sure which, other than some memory of someone saying glad-wrap wasn't good in a microwave. But even if you knew, how many plastic food containers are labelled?

What about aluminium pots? Supposed to be bad 'cause of the amount of oxide-bearing material scraped off the inside when stirring...

[Akzle]

Some are supposed to be OK. Not sure which, other than some memory of someone saying glad-wrap wasn't good in a microwave. But even if you knew, how many plastic food containers are labelled?

What about aluminium pots? Supposed to be bad 'cause of the amount of oxide-bearing material scraped off the inside when stirring...

causes alzheimers. Same with the oxide shit in anti perspirant.
Fucks your shit up. Especially if you have tits.

[BoristheBiter]

causes alzheimers. Same with the oxide shit in anti perspirant.
Fucks your shit up. Especially if you have tits.

Then we're all fucked.

[BoristheBiter]

Some are supposed to be OK. Not sure which, other than some memory of someone saying glad-wrap wasn't good in a microwave. But even if you knew, how many plastic food containers are labelled?

What about aluminium pots? Supposed to be bad 'cause of the amount of oxide-bearing material scraped off the inside when stirring...

More people actually breath in massive volumes of CO but complain about smokers, or wifi, or all other kinds of shit.
Everything will kill you in a high enough dose.

[Ocean1]

More people actually breath in massive volumes of CO but complain about smokers, or wifi, or all other kinds of shit.
Everything will kill you in a high enough dose.

Aye. Some get a bit precious about what most experts consider very minor risks. But we're living a lot longer, more chance for any cumulative badshit to catch up with us.

Speaking of which, I was reading a bit the other day about the old Beatles song that went "when I'm sixty four". The claim was that when the song was released that was pretty close to the average life expectancy. It's over a decade longer now.

Fuck life's good.

[BoristheBiter]

Aye. Some get a bit precious about what most experts consider very minor risks. But we're living a lot longer, more chance for any cumulative badshit to catch up with us.

Speaking of which, I was reading a bit the other day about the old Beatles song that went "when I'm sixty four". The claim was that when the song was released that was pretty close to the average life expectancy. It's over a decade longer now.

Fuck life's good.

Unless you are in the growing statistics of the middle aged people that are living healthily getting diagnosed with all forms of cancer.

Just puts more weight to the "grains are bad for us" groups.

[KiwiGeek]

Just joined the forum recently so jumping in feet first.

There has been no causative link found between wireless and cancer in human, old or young. The most recently released study, http://sparkonit.com/2014/02/13/a-long-drawn-out-research-proves-mobile-phones-do-not-cause-cancer/, is yet another nail in the coffin of the wireless/cancer crap.

As for aluminium and Alzheimers, while early studies suggested it, further investigation showed that thee is no link. http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=102

Unfortunately there are people that go off half cocked or are deliberatly misleading, such as that vaccine/autism thing, where it turned out the doctor doing the "study" had registered a patent appliucation for a rival vaccine before he did the "study". Not only that, he falsified data or left out lots of rather awkward data that refuted his claims. The conspiracy chuckleheads then extended it to all vaccines.

[Smifffy]

Aye. Some get a bit precious about what most experts consider very minor risks. But we're living a lot longer, more chance for any cumulative badshit to catch up with us.

Speaking of which, I was reading a bit the other day about the old Beatles song that went "when I'm sixty four". The claim was that when the song was released that was pretty close to the average life expectancy. It's over a decade longer now.

Fuck life's good.

'64 was released in 1967. Average life expectancy from birth for a UK male in 1967 was 75.3. In 2011 it was 82.7.

Lennon has been quoted as saying the song was written in "the cavern days" so perhaps 61-63 would be more representative. In which case 74 would be a good average.

[Ocean1]

'64 was released in 1967. Average life expectancy from birth for a UK male in 1967 was 75.3. In 2011 it was 82.7.

Lennon has been quoted as saying the song was written in "the cavern days" so perhaps 61-63 would be more representative. In which case 74 would be a good average.

Thought it sounded a bit low. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/mortality-ageing/mortality-in-england-and-wales/average-life-span/rpt-average-life-span.html

The extra 10 years is good though.

Having looked, I was surprised at the disparity of data over the few references I checked, varied by 5 years or so.

Another recent read, (well alright, a couple of years ago): The current English generation is the first for several centuries to have a lower life expectancy than their parents.

[Ricamortise]

Resonance-Beings of frequency documentary, 1:30mins ish, if anyone can be bovvered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FhMFvZFHo2c

[Akzle]

Resonance-Beings of frequency documentary, 1:30mins ish, if anyone can be bovvered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FhMFvZFHo2c

we are 80% water...
Get some yasamaru emoto (sorry jap guy, i forget your name) in ya.