What is NZ's police pursuit policy regarding vehicles?

[inazuma1200]

Keep in mind this is purely hypothetical NO IM NOT GOING TO RUN FROM THE POLICE im just curious.
What are the laws around police pursuing motorcycles/any vehicle? Lets say they tried to pull over a motorcycle and they ran, what speed can they chase them to? can they hit someone off their motorcycle? what restrictions do they have? at what point would they have to call off the pursuit? I have tried google but couldnt really find anything

any links or info is helpful thanks

Just to mention once again NO im not going to run from the police that isnt why im asking :P

[skippa1]

Keep in mind this is purely hypothetical NO IM NOT GOING TO RUN FROM THE POLICE im just curious.
What are the laws around police pursuing motorcycles/any vehicle? Lets say they tried to pull over a motorcycle and they ran, what speed can they chase them to? can they hit someone off their motorcycle? what restrictions do they have? at what point would they have to call off the pursuit? I have tried google but couldnt really find anything

any links or info is helpful thanks

Just to mention once again NO im not going to run from the police that isnt why im asking :P

Generally, they just call ahead and ask one of their colleagues to hook a u turn in front of the bike they are trying to stop

[Akzle]

dont need to run. Just dont stop.
Popo frequently get in shit for when they run someone into a lamp post or ditch, but the media line is always 'we terminated the pursuit 2 minutes before they died'

[haydes55]

This following post is what I think and not actual fact.

Police will call off a pursuit if it is deemed unsafe, a rider going 180km/h on country roads would be unsafe, and 100km/h in town would be unsafe etc.

No they wouldn't knock a rider off. A police officer would have to look at the outcome, is it worth putting a rider in hospital or worse worth giving them a $150 ticket? Chances are, a motorbike crashing on a police pursuit would cause injury. Any injury on a police pursuit obviously negates the purpose of stopping an uncrashed motorbike to prevent injuries :facepalm:

A police officer will try remain in sight and get the license plate.

I'm not sure if police are even allowed to use spike strips on bikes because of the injuries it could cause.

[tigertim20]

you cant outrun radio!!

[Damantis]

I'm sure anyone who rides fast now and then has the thought of running cross their mind. Let's be honest about it. It's exciting and you's have a great story to tell. Only the inconsiderate idiots or wanted criminals amongst us probably seriously consider it though. Exceed the speed limit by more than 40kph and you are walking for a month while you wait for a hearing to determine how much longer you'll lose your license for. Solution - stay less than 40 below the posted limit.

I'm pretty sure pursuits are "called off" when the person fleeing looks like they are likely to lose control or are putting other people at serious risk etc. That doesn't mean the police stop looking for you. It just means they flood the area with available units and recommence the pursuit when they spot you again. The bottom line is that it's not worth the risk. Who wants to be the guy on the news who killed a family to avoid a speeding ticket? Just pull over and take the punishment. They may even thank you for stopping.

[SMOKEU]

Police will call off a pursuit if it is deemed unsafe, a rider going 180km/h on country roads would be unsafe, and 100km/h in town would be unsafe etc.



It's not so black and white. I've listened to many chases while I had my scanner, and the comms supervisor has to make the call based on speed, road conditions, traffic density etc. I've heard of chases getting to 140kmh in a 50 zone before being called off.



It just means they flood the area with available units and recommence the pursuit when they spot you again.

Not always. If the driver/rider being chased was operating their motor vehicle in a particularly dangerous manner, comms can order the nearby units not to recommence pursuit upon sighting the suspect again.

[Mo NZ]

Of course it dose make a difference why the pursuit was initiated.
Depends on what you may be suspected of.
Top end I spose for instance somebody popping off shots at people with a firearm would get smashed off his bike at the first opportunity I would expect.
Lower end a random or slightly over speed traffic stop it would come down to the public risk and so forth.

You can bet on one thing though... You do a runner and you will be looked for and when located slapped with the biggest wet bus ticket you have ever imagined.

[DrunkenMistake]

This post reminds me of one from a few years back,

Something to do with outrunning a police helicopter...

[Brett]

Hard to out run a chopper.

[scumdog]

Hard to out run a chopper.

I'm presently awaiting the usual KB tsunami of clap-trap that follows a statement like that...<_<

[Tazz]

I was pondering this the other day when I glanced down and saw I was doing (an indicated) 117 behind a cop cruising up SH1 :sweatdrop

I've first hand seen a cop car pull out in front of a motorcyclist and put them into the front of their car (was on Moorhouse Ave a few years ago. Absolutely surreal), however I don't know why he was being chased (speeding, stabbed someone and on some drug fueled rage, changed lanes without indicating, who knows).

All I know is I wouldn't be counting on any rules and regulations to keep me safe if I decided to give Ratus a bit of a nostalgic work out. They're trying to stop you and once the red mist forms...

And I don't know about the speed part around the city. I know a dude who was in the back of a police vehicle (the ride along thing before signing up) doing 140km/h at times in a 50km/h area (Litchfield St in Chch) on the way to an AOS call out. Didn't see it with my own eyes but he's not the kind of man that bothers with bragging or any of that BS. AOS is a big deal here, so not having a whinge about it or anything ;)

[DrunkenMistake]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/138098-So-hypothetically-you-find-yourself-being-chased-by-a-helicopter?highlight=Outrun+police+helicopter


Here it is, I knew it was on here somewhere...

[Indiana_Jones]

Chase them until they crash, 45 seconds after the chase was called off ;)

-Indy

[Mushu]

Chase them until they crash, 45 seconds after the chase was called off ;)

-Indy

I think it goes more like, chase till they crash then call in that pursuit has been abandoned, wait a minute or two then call in the crash.

[Damantis]

Then we'll see less pursuit deaths.

[scumdog]

Then we'll see less pursuit deaths.

Yep, a camera mounted on the back of the car being chased would be good - that way the driver doing the runner would be able to prove the cops called off the chase AFTER the crash.:msn-wink: (Of course if driver of said runner ends up dead I guess it's a moot point...):weep:

[scumdog]

I think it goes more like, chase till they crash then call in that pursuit has been abandoned, wait a minute or two then call in the crash.

Yep, 97.85% of all other cretins on this site actually believe that too!:rolleyes:

[pritch]

Coupla things:

The media always refer to such a chase as a "Police chase". So if someone dies it is reported along the lines of, "Youth dies in Police chase." This contains a tacit implication that the Police were at fault. This impression is reinforced by the announcement of an inquiry, and that the matter has been referred to the Police Complaints Authority.

A more realistic headline might be, "Stupid criminal arsehole kills himself while attempting to evade Police." If you think that's a bit tough, imagine this was happening on your bike which he had just stolen. Somehow though that headline, while accurate, needs to be a bit more snappy.

Somebody referred to thought processes; it's more basic than that. The response goes back to the days of cavemen and sabre tooth tigers. I am admitting to nothing you understand, but I can remember when I was young. No, not quite as far back as sabre tooth tigers. One time the siren goes off and you shit yourself (figuratively I hope). Next time time it's, "Fuck you", and away we go. This is to do with the fight or flight response. Of course then you have time to think, but once you have grabbed the gas you would look pretty silly slowing down.

If any of you actually plan to do a runner you had better keep your tank topped up - or it could get very embarrassing.

[James Deuce]

Coupla things:

The media always refer to such a chase as a "Police chase". So if someone dies it is reported along the lines of, "Youth dies in Police chase." This contains a tacit implication that the Police were at fault. This impression is reinforced by the announcement of an inquiry, and that the matter has been referred to the Police Complaints Authority.



The same principle is used to assign fault in "collisions" simply by using a pejorative instead of a generic noun when describing an MVA. "Biker collides with Tanker." That usually translates in reality to Burgman 650 scooter rider killed by Tanker not stopping at an intersection. Apologies to Burgman 650 riders and tanker drivers alike. Any resemblence to Burgman 650 riders and Tanker drivers in general is completely coincidental.

The "Police Chase" thing has started to become almost as annoying as the aforementioned habit of apportioning blame via clumsy use of language. It primarily indicates the lack of respect the media has for its client base. "We did no research so we won't report any facts but the Police WERE in the process of pursuing someone. So there."

It used to be, "A suspect in a petrol station robbery was identified by a Police unit and pursued, however pursuit was abandoned and the driver of the pursued vehicle later lost control of their vehicle. Police are on the look out for a Caucasian male, approximately 1.8 metres tall, wearing jeans and a black t-shirt." Not very exciting though, is it?

[Swoop]

Some reading for you.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/27970-Beginners-guide-to-runners

[tigertim20]

It's not so black and white. I've listened to many chases while I had my scanner, and the comms supervisor has to make the call based on speed, road conditions, traffic density etc. I've heard of chases getting to 140kmh in a 50 zone before being called off.



Not always. If the driver/rider being chased was operating their motor vehicle in a particularly dangerous manner, comms can order the nearby units not to recommence pursuit upon sighting the suspect again.

I think thats exactly what he was pointing out - that there is no hard and fast rule. residential area, vs residential area 2 bolcks from a school at 3pm for instance will likely have a different result in terms of police response to speed and a chase.

[Muppet]

dont need to run. Just dont stop.
Popo frequently get in shit for when they run someone into a lamp post or ditch, but the media line is always 'we terminated the pursuit 2 minutes before they died'

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?

[FJRider]

I think it goes more like, chase till they crash then call in that pursuit has been abandoned, wait a minute or two then call in the crash.

Some motorcyclists seem to be able to crash ... without being chased ... :pinch:

[Mo NZ]

Just had a thought.
You cant find anything re police pursuit policy.

Try looking up Fleeing Driver Policy.

[Akzle]

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?

why would you go to court? You know that shits rigged so the jews/lawyerjews/jewdges/copjews always win, right?
Youll notice quite early on in the piece i said 'dont run'
i also never advocated putting anyone in more risk than neccessary.
Muppet, indeed.

[Gremlin]

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?
Don't take that one too seriously, we're still trying to find the originating village...

[nzspokes]

"Stupid criminal arsehole kills himself while attempting to evade Police."

Agreed. Sadly said asshat sometimes kills others at the same time.

[Brett]

Don't take that one too seriously, we're still trying to find the originating village...

You wont find it on this planet mate...

[FJRider]

Don't take that one too seriously, we're still trying to find the originating village...

Perhaps ... the originating village has already evicted him... :lol:

[sugilite]

I'd back my self to outrun a helicopter, as I'm pretty sure they fly, rather than run :yes:

[Ulsterkiwi]

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?

Ah mate, do not go where many of the rest of us have gone before. Akzle is a master baiter. I dig the man's sense of humour, very black....(can I say that Akzle?) and he knows how to push buttons.
I think that secretly his name is Lebowitz and he runs a successful conveyancing and litigation practice with big government contracts. The caravan is actually where his security personnel live at the gate to his gazillion dollar mansion which is actually a cover for the New Zealand branch of the NSA. He just grows weed for the aesthetic satisfaction.

[Akzle]

Ah mate, do not go where many of the rest of us have gone before. Akzle is a master baiter. I dig the man's sense of humour, very black....(can I say that Akzle?) and he knows how to push buttons.
I think that secretly his name is Lebowitz and he runs a successful conveyancing and litigation practice with big government contracts. The caravan is actually where his security personnel live at the gate to his gazillion dollar mansion which is actually a cover for the New Zealand branch of the NSA. He just grows weed for the aesthetic satisfaction.

i will find you

[Ulsterkiwi]

i will find you

cool! you can show me the listening devices then! :corn:

[Damantis]

NZ police pursuit policy of sheep? Loose women?

[jonnyk5614]

On my old GSX250, I got clocked by an oncoming cop on SH1 doing 120. I was just cruising and didn't really notice I'd got fast.

The cop pulled a U turn, and pulled me over.

He thanked me for stopping - I was a bit surprised.

"Oh, most bikes don't stop - they can easily do 200. We can only do 180 so don't bother trying...."

[J.A.W.]

On my old GSX250, I got clocked by an oncoming cop on SH1 doing 120. I was just cruising and didn't really notice I'd got fast.

The cop pulled a U turn, and pulled me over.

He thanked me for stopping - I was a bit surprised.

"Oh, most bikes don't stop - they can easily do 200. We can only do 180 so don't bother trying...."



Yeah, well.. this Porker driver appears to be "trying" fairly hard to keep up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyWV1p0ZvoU

But - does even he get close enough to record the bike rego?
If so, then maybe if going out in 'fang-mode' - a subtle rego plate symbol alteration ( via whiteboard marker or white tack?) is in order..

[scumdog]

Yeah, well.. this Porker driver appears to be "trying" fairly hard to keep up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyWV1p0ZvoU

But - does even he get close enough to record the bike rego?
If so, then maybe if going out in 'fang-mode' - a subtle rego plate symbol alteration ( via whiteboard marker or white tack?) is in order..


But when you crash and die and the rego comes back to Abdul Aziz 1998 Honda scooter how will your mum ever find out you're dead??

[J.A.W.]

But when you crash and die and the rego comes back to Abdul Aziz 1998 Honda scooter how will your mum ever find out you're dead??


"Abdul Aziz" has really gotta be expectin' a 'dawn raid' at any time, don't he? L.O.L...

& most any mum of a bike ridin' fool - has likely done bin expectin' a fatal outcome - right from the start, aint she?
Not that its gonna be a problem for the deceased, any which way..

[jellywrestler]

But when you crash and die and the rego comes back to Abdul Aziz 1998 Honda scooter how will your mum ever find out you're dead??

when you don't run up on mothers day?

[scumdog]

when you don't run up on mothers day?

A good salient point, how remiss of me to overlook that!:pinch:

[jonnyk5614]

Re the video, NZ cops have Porches?

And I don't think alteration is needed. Read a plate over your shoulder at a closing speed of 300kph? Good luck.
Mine is bent (the wind .... Honest) and someone sprayed chain lube on it so it is rather dirty .....


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[nzspokes]

Re the video, NZ cops have Porches?

And I don't think alteration is needed. Read a plate over your shoulder at a closing speed of 300kph? Good luck.
Mine is bent (the wind .... Honest) and someone sprayed chain lube on it so it is rather dirty .....


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I feel sorry for the people that have to clean up the mess after the crash.

[russd7]

Why them, particularly?
Do you also "feel sorry" for everyone else who chooses to do a filthy job for a living

messes created at speed are normally not done in town therefor those that have to clean it up are most likely volunteers, not a pleasant experience

[Hitcher]

NZ cops have Porches?

No, they have Verandas.

[J.A.W.]

No, they have Verandas.


Mitsubishi Verandas? Fancy stuff.. & I thought they only got the plain-jane V3000s..

[Metastable]

So back in the early days of motorcycle forms circa 1999, there was this fellow that use to go by the handle Voodoo (different site btw). There was a similar post and folks talking about not out running radios and helicopters..... and got all excited and mentioned "I'll give you a helicopter and two radios and you still won't catch me."

Shortly after he said that, he disappeared from the forum for a few months. Then all the sudden he reappeared. "Hey guys, I just got out of jail. Police tried to pull me over and I got away. They had a helicopter, had me almost boxed in with cruisers but they couldn't catch me. However, one of the officers recognized a tattoo on my arm." The Police showed up at my house a couple of days later and arrested me."

Obviously I can't verify the story, but his story seemed to jive. Anyway, I found the whole situation quite amusing.

[RGVforme]

So when is a reason not a good one for a police car to light up the ole blues and twos?

I was heading home after a epic days riding a weekend back down a local long stretch of straight road
When I see coming up from behind a police car with lights all lit up.

I was doing 100k so had a small bit of time to judge his speed with my own and he was honking along and came up on me pretty fast.
My rusty bullet hole puckered only to be relaxed as he sounded his siren mounted the other side of the road(that was clear at the time) and around me and my already left side hugging DR only to be puckered again the straight and three corners later to the sight of him parked up and getting out of his car!.

To my joy he didn't even look up and let me pass.Not that I was doing anything wrong but old habits from younger days still remain :msn-wink:....Now here is the rub.

As I was heading back into town in the "Wheelbarrow" an hour later with some nice clothes on for a dinner out with the better looking half I drove past the same spot I left this local hero.:Police:

Only to see he had set up a common two way breath testing station with his pals and was calmly going about his normal duty.
Id like to think this was a covert set up as he may have been tipped off to a driver heading his way but an hour plus change seems a long time to wait for your 'Man' at a covert stop.

The only other reason I can think of is he was simply late for work at his posted location.Perhaps there was a half priced Big Mac combo on the line for the first to be there and set up....If so his actions passing me earlier on did seem a bit excessive as I remember thinking as he flew by "Wow I hope he gets there fast to help whoever the poor soul is that's getting murdered.


How I am seeing it or epic Police fail?.:crazy:

[Banditbandit]

How I am seeing it or epic Police fail?.:crazy:

FAIL .. he was probably not goign to an emergency or chasing ... so he should not have been in full living colour ..

[scumdog]

So when is a reason not a good one for a police car to light up the ole blues and twos?

Blah-blah-blah etc

The only other reason I can think of is he was simply late for work at his posted location.Perhaps there was a half priced Big Mac combo on the line for the first to be there and set up....If so his actions passing me earlier on did seem a bit excessive as I remember thinking as he flew by "Wow I hope he gets there fast to help whoever the poor soul is that's getting murdered.


How I am seeing it or epic Police fail?.:crazy:

You don't know what you don't know.....;)

[scumdog]

FAIL .. he was probably not goign to an emergency or chasing ... so he should not have been in full living colour ..


You KNOW he wasn't going to an emergency??:wait:

[nzspokes]

You KNOW he wasn't going to an emergency??:wait:

A curry the night before and was looking for an appropriate tree to crap behind?

[RGVforme]

You don't know what you don't know.....;)

This is true.....Assumption is the basis of many fuck ups after all....But evidence leading to certain unarguable facts however is another matter.:psst:

[Banditbandit]

You KNOW he wasn't going to an emergency??:wait:

Yeah .. I know you have to defend your colleagues .. notice I said "probably not" ... just going on the info given he was probably not going to an emergency ..

[scumdog]

Yeah .. I know you have to defend your colleagues .. notice I said "probably not" ... just going on the info given he was probably not going to an emergency ..


Not 'defending" (Why should I care?) but pointing out the world has too many 'assumptions' mistaken(?) for 'fact'


Just look at Stuff.co.nz etc...

[Hubris]

I had friends who were in the police (in Canada) who occasionally let me know about internal things like when an officer was caught doing 120km/h on a red-light camera. After investigation (photo-radar is administered by 3rd parties, so the ticket still arrives to the police) it was determined the officer wasn't on an emergency call and was just speeding. Suspect there was a lot of internal discussion about that one.

That being said, I don't think there's much will within the police to actually have an audit of the use of lights and sirens. It really wouldn't be difficult to do....any time they were engaged it would log/phone home and the officer would be expected to log an acceptable explanation which could be validated. Setting this up would cost resources, be extra admin for the officers, and is predicated on an assumption that abuse occurs frequently-enough to warrant tracking - and I don't think there's enough interest by anyone to suggest the cost was worth the benefit.

[5150]

Hard to out run a chopper.

I would dispute that statement ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbaO8mzByvw

[R650R]

So how many cops does it take to stop a Hilux.....????

An entire city kept awake for well over an hour due to this ridiculous pursuit. They say 'low speed' but when he came past my house with only one tyre popped he was hauling and the noise was incredible.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11602446

[RGVforme]

So how many cops does it take to stop a Hilux.....????

An entire city kept awake for well over an hour due to this ridiculous pursuit. They say 'low speed' but when he came past my house with only one tyre popped he was hauling and the noise was incredible.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11602446

They had to put on a show for the 40 odd locals that joined the pursuit plus onlookers so they would have something to post up on their FB pages.:facepalm:.....Tis sometimes quite embarrassing to say you come from HB.

A better question may be is what is the max time frame for a armed drug house siege before the cops are given the ok tear gas the joint and bust in?.:tugger:

[Akzle]

A better question may be is what is the max time frame for a armed drug house siege before the cops are given the ok tear gas the joint and bust in?.:tugger:

this, i do not get.

thermal scope. .308. job done.

any human that has willingly harmed 3 others, is unlikely to be recoverable.

[caseye]

this, i do not get.

thermal scope. .308. job done.

any human that has willingly harmed 3 others, is unlikely to be recoverable.

100% with you on that. No other outcome should be expected by the perpetrator or the general public, shoot people, expect to be shot, the fucken end.

[Akzle]

100% with you on that. No other outcome should be expected by the perpetrator or the general public, shoot people, expect to be shot, the fucken end.

yeah.... But what if you shoot yourself... In the hand...? (and wear a blue vest to work)

[caseye]

yeah.... But what if you shoot yourself... In the hand...? (and wear a blue vest to work)

Bit harder to do , but I guess you'd have to do yer duty and dispatch that mo Fo.
You know summit we don't?

[Akzle]

Bit harder to do , but I guess you'd have to do yer duty and dispatch that mo Fo.
You know summit we don't?

3 p.o shot in "the incident".
One in hospital with a gunshot wound to the hand. Draw your own conclusions.
I suppose shooting themselves is a step up from shooting each other.

Its sad that this is going to result in the pitchforks out to a) "gun laws" and b) arm police.

1) it's already illegal to shoot people
2) cops suck at guns.

[scumdog]

3 p.o shot in "the incident".
One in hospital with a gunshot wound to the hand. Draw your own conclusions.
I suppose shooting themselves is a step up from shooting each other.

Its sad that this is going to result in the pitchforks out to a) "gun laws" and b) arm police.

1) it's already illegal to shoot people
2) cops suck at guns.
3) cops are people.

[Madness]

Its sad that this is going to result in the pitchforks out to a) "gun laws" and b) arm police.

It would never have happened if Cannabis wasn't a crime.

[scumdog]

It would never have happened if Cannabis wasn't a crime.

True, I mean booze is not a crime and nobody gets shot at over taking some booze...<_<<_<

[Akzle]

It would never have happened if Cannabis wasn't a crime.

yes but *they* have to do something to keep lawyers, judges and politicians employed; add to the consolidated fund; put darkies in gaol to keep the white folk thinking the system works; and propagate ignorance.

[Madness]

True, I mean booze is not a crime and nobody gets shot at over taking some booze...<_<<_<

Fucking lucky that, eh?

[Akzle]

3) cops are people.

no. They're cops.
If they take off the uniform (belt and car full of weapons, gang patch and vest) i'll let them be people,
but while they're badge-and-gun: they're cops,

[Akzle]

Fucking lucky that, eh?

jeeeeeeesus fucking fuck old son. How many times are ya gonna roll that one out?

[Madness]

jeeeeeeesus fucking fuck old son. How many times are ya gonna roll that one out?

I reckon it's good for a couple o' doz' at least ;)

[scumdog]

I reckon it's good for a couple o' doz' at least ;)

Well a six-pack anyway....

[Its_Syd]

dont need to run. Just dont stop.
Popo frequently get in shit for when they run someone into a lamp post or ditch, but the media line is always 'we terminated the pursuit 2 minutes before they died'

Ha! I witnessed the falseness of this claim a few years back when they chased some drunk locals into the gumtrees on our house-heard the sirens before I heard the car hit the tree. They never publicised my statement that was taken on video... wonder why haha.(maybe as I was 15 at the time and no one else had been home but pfft)
Ha.. terminated pursuit my ass.

[Banditbandit]

:rofl: :clap: :laugh: :Punk: :wings: :first: :headbang: :banana:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcYxr0RsIlY&ebc=ANyPxKoQWVyfx2IvA7oII6cbSsr2gHTFV43QUBeU7llP-CjQRXyGOzakVbLLIO_b2Zno0HZcn9PtseGweR1W2xtXqA032SR QBA

[scumdog]

Ha.. terminated pursuit my ass.

It finished dinnit?<_<

[caseye]

Ha! I witnessed the falseness of this claim a few years back when they chased some drunk locals into the gumtrees on our house-heard the sirens before I heard the car hit the tree. They never publicised my statement that was taken on video... wonder why haha.(maybe as I was 15 at the time and no one else had been home but pfft)
Ha.. terminated pursuit my ass.

You saw a fuckwit crash because they could not drive properly and were running from the law.
Are you one of these people who go, yeah na and flip flop depending on how they feel each time a set piece is played out.Grow some have a fucking opinion and stick by it. Driving drunk is OK is it? sirens make a lot of noise, you said yourself you heard them before the car hit the tree, can you say honestly that the Police were still in hot pursuit at the time the car hit the tree?
Um, I'd say that the chase'e hitting a tree pretty much terminated the chase, wouldn't you.
Funny isn't it how luckily we are all different, even at 15 I'd have said fucking good job, you it seems thought the Police had done something wrong???

[Tazz]

You saw a fuckwit crash because they could not drive properly and were running from the law.
Are you one of these people who go, yeah na and flip flop depending on how they feel each time a set piece is played out.Grow some have a fucking opinion and stick by it. Driving drunk is OK is it? sirens make a lot of noise, you said yourself you heard them before the car hit the tree, can you say honestly that the Police were still in hot pursuit at the time the car hit the tree?
Um, I'd say that the chase'e hitting a tree pretty much terminated the chase, wouldn't you.
Funny isn't it how luckily we are all different, even at 15 I'd have said fucking good job, you it seems thought the Police had done something wrong???

Driving drunk is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Chasing people over certain speeds is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Because you're 'well meaning' or have 'good intentions' it's OK for you as a popo to endanger people? Who's flip flopping here mate :laugh:

[caseye]

Driving drunk is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Chasing people over certain speeds is endangering the public by the popos standards.

Because you're 'well meaning' or have 'good intentions' it's OK for you as a popo to endanger people? Who's flip flopping here mate :laugh:

Wait up a minute, for starters I've always been an advocate of the chase must go on, the crims should not be allowed to get away.
I do not flip or flop.
The popo have particular rules about when to and when not to continue a chase, the interpretation of those rules is no longer allowed by the officers doing the chasing, they must cease and desist if they go over the threshold, my point is, unless the poster had seen the police car right up the crashing cars arsehole he could not say for sure they were still engaged, and if they were how come they didn't end up in the same tree?
We as "the general public must give our guys and girls on the actual front line where people do get killed, the tools to do their job as well as it can be, we must stand behind them and not waver in the face of the do gooders who would have their heads for thinking a criminal bum is just that.
I am not saying it's OK to break rules, I am saying we should have the same rules for us as them.

[Tazz]

Wait up a minute, for starters I've always been an advocate of the chase must go on, the crims should not be allowed to get away.
I do not flip or flop.
The popo have particular rules about when to and when not to continue a chase, the interpretation of those rules is no longer allowed by the officers doing the chasing, they must cease and desist if they go over the threshold, my point is, unless the poster had seen the police car right up the crashing cars arsehole he could not say for sure they were still engaged, and if they were how come they didn't end up in the same tree?
We as "the general public must give our guys and girls on the actual front line where people do get killed, the tools to do their job as well as it can be, we must stand behind them and not waver in the face of the do gooders who would have their heads for thinking a criminal bum is just that.
I am not saying it's OK to break rules, I am saying we should have the same rules for us as them.

That is flip flopping.

There are rules and laws in place for Popos to follow too. If they are breaking rules and laws to enforce rules and laws then what is the point of rules and laws?

The same rules for 'them' as 'us' would see no Police cars exceeding 100kph anyway :laugh:
If you want to have no rule book when catching folk breaking the law then you are probably the last type of person that should be enforcing any laws, because frankly cops are not all good at their jobs. It turns out they are people in paid employment like (mostly) the rest of us and they fuck it up and do things that are just as dumb as the 'general public', plus they spend way to much bloody time on traffic enforcement anyway.


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[rastuscat]

That is flip flopping.

There are rules and laws in place for Popos to follow too. If they are breaking rules and laws to enforce rules and laws then what is the point of rules and laws?

The same rules for 'them' as 'us' would see no Police cars exceeding 100kph anyway[emoji23]
If you want to have no rule book when catching folk breaking the law then you are probably the last type of person that should be enforcing any laws, because frankly cops are not all good at their jobs. It turns out they are people in paid employment like (mostly) the rest of us and they fuck it up and do things that are just as dumb as the 'general public', plus they spend way to much bloody time on traffic enforcement anyway.


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Yawn.

Here we go again. Here's some facts.

25% of the Police budget each year comes from the Land Transport Fund. For the purpose of road policing.

Police spend less than 25% of their resources on road policing.

Effectively, the LTF is used to subsidise the under funded general policing functions.

People mostly see the visible side of policing i.e road policing. Which leads to the false impression that's all they do.

You really should go to one of the big stations to see the vast array of non road policing things that go on which have to be paid for.

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[scumdog]

Yawn.

Here we go again. Here's some facts.

25% of the Police budget each year comes from the Land Transport Fund. For the purpose of road policing.

Police spend less than 25% of their resources on road policing.

Effectively, the LTF is used to subsidise the under funded general policing functions.

People mostly see the visible side of policing i.e road policing. Which leads to the false impression that's all they do.

You really should go to one of the big stations to see the vast array of non road policing things that go on which have to be paid for.

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What he said.

Only a fuckwitted slack-jawed mouth-breathing cretin would judge what cops do by the 25% visible ones doing traffic - and thinks "that's what all cops concentrate on"

Bring back the take-no-prisoner ticket-everybody-for-anything type MOT cops.

THEN the above cretins would have something to moan about.

And the public would likewise moan about how there are even less 'p'leece' available for 'real crime'.

[R650R]

Why is it when you type a comment with the word police in it on here the window always freezes and dumps your comment.

Comment redacted. But if it was here it was an enlightened perspective relating some commonsense and reality to the debate....

[Akzle]

What he said.

Only a fuckwitted slack-jawed mouth-breathing cretin would judge what cops do by the 25% visible ones doing traffic - and thinks "that's what all cops concentrate on"

Bring back the take-no-prisoner ticket-everybody-for-anything type MOT cops.

THEN the above cretins would have something to moan about.

And the public would likewise moan about how there are even less 'p'leece' available for 'real crime'.

well, no. If a new(/old) ministry was implemented that enforced roading policy, and the "police" were reserved for the balance of crown policy enforcement... There would be no confusion.

Of course, the police have never actually stopped, prevented or solved any "real crime".

[nzspokes]

What he said.

Only a fuckwitted slack-jawed mouth-breathing cretin would judge what cops do by the 25% visible ones doing traffic - and thinks "that's what all cops concentrate on"



Sadly when they are doing traffic they really are not. They choose speeding as its an easy catch, and better a pursuit which is fun. The rest they ignore.

[Tazz]

Yawn.

Here we go again. Here's some facts.

25% of the Police budget each year comes from the Land Transport Fund. For the purpose of road policing.

Police spend less than 25% of their resources on road policing.

Effectively, the LTF is used to subsidise the under funded general policing functions.

People mostly see the visible side of policing i.e road policing. Which leads to the false impression that's all they do.

You really should go to one of the big stations to see the vast array of non road policing things that go on which have to be paid for.

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So that was one throw away comment right at the end of everything you quoted, but whatever.

If the police dept is that understaffed and funded maybe 25% or less (more time that funding due to the source of it) is too much?

If that 25% isn't just a fiscal digit you've picked out that is an entire quarter of the popos resouces devoted to the road, that is heaps! The fuzz deal with S&R, missing people, robberies, community interaction shizzle (public meetings, schools etc), event control, murdurrrrr and a heeeaps of other stuff, a lot of it not really police related in the sense of what we think they do, and you're telling me an entire quarter of the operation is devoted to ONE aspect of police work, and one that they are failing at to boot (infringements issued have increased (above target) and death toll is on rise yet 2012-2015 plan/focus was on PREVENTION. That's a massive fail. Heads would roll in the private sector for the equivalent performance).

I'd be interested to know if patrols are counted as road policing or are they accounted for in a different manner?
Budget aside what is the time allocation to road policing?
Have the hiring standards slipped that much that the quality of staff are an issue?

The whole ticket revenue company line thing (which will be coming I'm sure) is naive too, but there is a bit from both sides on that front. The front line grunts are not govt accountants and while there are KPIs that they will be measured on I know they are not ticket value based as some believe.

[scumdog]

Of course, the police have never actually stopped, prevented or solved any "real crime".

Sort of like yourself - never done anything??:bleh:
But get paid for it?:niceone:

(I love it!)

[scumdog]

Sadly when they are doing traffic they really are not. They choose speeding as its an easy catch, and better a pursuit which is fun. The rest they ignore.

Yeah, I always thought all those careless/dangerous/drunk/reckless etc driving charges weren't real...:pinch:

[scumdog]

So that was one throw away comment right at the end of everything you quoted, but whatever.

If the police dept is that understaffed and funded maybe 25% or less (more time that funding due to the source of it) is too much?

If that 25% isn't just a fiscal digit you've picked out that is an entire quarter of the popos resouces devoted to the road, that is heaps!

Well how many trffic cops were around at the time of the merger? Equivalent to 25% of the police they joined?

[nzspokes]

Yeah, I always thought all those careless/dangerous/drunk/reckless etc driving charges weren't real...:pinch:

:laugh:

I count 20+ people on phones on my ride to work everyday. Only time recently Ive seen a cop was when I got stopped on highway 16 for a wof/reg/licence check for safety. I dont need a rego to be safe. Time before that was on the same stretch of road when a retard in a red Commodore wagon overtook me on a blind RH corner pushing me towards the ditch. Then he overtook other riders on a blind crest. Idiot.

[Swoop]

yeah.... But what if you shoot yourself... In the hand...? (and wear a blue vest to work)
You will be awarded a small medal to wear on your tunic.

As said previously, if a cop points a firearm at you, stay veeeeerrrry still... as there's a 100% probability he'll hit something near you! :rofl:

[Tazz]

Well how many trffic cops were around at the time of the merger? Equivalent to 25% of the police they joined?

You tell me? I haven't mentioned the merger and don't really know anything about it to be honest. Before my time.

Can't say I've really put any serious thought into it but I guess a separate dept for 'road safety' makes sense on as many levels as it doesn't.

[Tazz]

:laugh:

I count 20+ people on phones on my ride to work everyday. Only time recently Ive seen a cop was when I got stopped on highway 16 for a wof/reg/licence check for safety. I dont need a rego to be safe. Time before that was on the same stretch of road when a retard in a red Commodore wagon overtook me on a blind RH corner pushing me towards the ditch. Then he overtook other riders on a blind crest. Idiot.

Yeah demerits for no rego in the name of safety are a laugh. Shows the state of the system and says a lot about the officers that choose to enforce that rule too.

[nerrrd]

Yeah demerits for no rego in the name of safety are a laugh.

Isn't registration how we identify vehicle owners? So if someone is driving dangerously, how do we identify them if the registration isn't up to date? In a hit and run it's probably the only way to track anyone down, so maybe there is a safety element – just another way to look at it.

[Tazz]

Isn't registration how we identify vehicle owners? So if someone is driving dangerously, how do we identify them if the registration isn't up to date? In a hit and run it's probably the only way to track anyone down, so maybe there is a safety element – just another way to look at it.

So if I'm driving your car then I call ahead and let them know or something.....? :bleh:

[nerrrd]

So if I'm driving your car then I call ahead and let them know or something.....? :bleh:

No, they get in touch with me and i tell them it was you (I ain't taking the rap :laugh:)

[Tazz]

No, they get in touch with me and i tell them it was you (I ain't taking the rap :laugh:)

aww, go on bro! I'll shout you a jug haha

Sorry I need more coffee/to go to specsavers, you said vehicle owners rather than drivers anyway. When sold it's up to the seller and the buyer to fill out the details. Technically you could buy a car with 12 months rego, have neither the buyer or seller fill out the appropriate forms and rock about in it.

[scumdog]

Smoe people plain worry way too much...:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

:laugh:

I count 20+ people on phones on my ride to work everyday.

I guess you ain't a cop in a marked (non-mufti) car then??;)

[nzspokes]

I guess you ain't a cop in a marked (non-mufti) car then??;)

No. Maybe my ride to work is to early for the local cops to be out of bed.

[awa355]

Another 'rider' out runs the cops.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/78456480/manawatu-woman-on-a-moped-manages-to-outrun-police :oi-grr: