Bosch motorcycle stability control?

[YellowDog]

http://www.bosch-motorcycle.com/media/ubk_zweiraeder/Motorcycle_Stability_Control_982px_w734.jpg

Whilst I was over in the UK, MC News (or similar) had a long article about a new braking system. It augments ABS and it has a module that senses "LEAN ANGLE". What an absolute trip and a half. Lay the bike over in a corner and grab a fistful of brake and though you feel the front loose traction momentarily, the bike brakes safely.

http://www.bosch-motorcycle.com/en/ubk_zweiraeder/fahrsicherheit_fuer_zweiraeder/sicherheitssysteme_fuer_zweiraeder/motorrad_stabilitaetskontrolle/motorcycle_stability_control.html

So once they devise a way to stick your arse to the bike, new riders just won't need to learn hardly any motorcycling skills at all :no:

Will this be contributing towards rider safety or to more accidents?

[bogan]

Seems more like a background safety net to me, as long as having it activate still makes the rider shit themselves I can't see how it would be a bad thing (unless poorly implemented).

[YellowDog]

Seems more like a background safety net to me, as long as having it activate still makes the rider shit themselves I can't see how it would be a bad thing (unless poorly implemented).


Just like ABS, for experienced riders, it's a safety net that never or rarely kicks in.

New riders take ABS for granted and rely upon it; setting their perception of safe riding limits as high as the technology can take them.

I believe that learning the fundamental handling skills for a two wheeled vehicle is critical to any riders safety. If technology negates the need for such skills, the benefit of the technology may have a negative effect.

Just my opinion :whocares:

[Milts]

I believe that learning the fundamental handling skills for a two wheeled vehicle is critical to any riders safety. If technology negates the need for such skills, the benefit of the technology may have a negative effect.

I can see what you are saying, but surely the exact same argument could be applied to changes in car technology, such as ABS, traction control, etc. Some would even argue the same of airbags, seatbelts and crumple zones. However the trends in motor vehicle fatalities seem like strong evidence that such an argument is incorrect.

(Not saying I'm a fan of this, or ABS on motorcycles.)

[bogan]

Just like ABS, for experienced riders, it's a safety net that never or rarely kicks in.

New riders take ABS for granted and rely upon it; setting their perception of safe riding limits as high as the technology can take them.

I believe that learning the fundamental handling skills for a two wheeled vehicle is critical to any riders safety. If technology negates the need for such skills, the benefit of the technology may have a negative effect.

Just my opinion :whocares:

I've never heard of that with ABS, though it is recomended to purposely do it every now and then so you won't panic when it kicks in.

Safety net means it doesn't stop you from fucking up, just lessens the consequences if you do. Its things that are active you should be more worried about, like cruise control and automati following dist etc (not for bikes yet though I think).

[YellowDog]

I can see what you are saying, but surely the exact same argument could be applied to changes in car technology, such as ABS, traction control, etc. Some would even argue the same of airbags, seatbelts and crumple zones. However the trends in motor vehicle fatalities seem like strong evidence that such an argument is incorrect.

(Not saying I'm a fan of this, or ABS on motorcycles.)

Yip, that is just what I AM SAYING :brick:

That's why many car drivers are just soooooo terrible and have very poor road sense and skills.

And as for the BOOM BOOM BOMM music.................... :no:

[ducatilover]

So once they devise a way to stick your arse to the bike, new riders just won't need to learn hardly any motorcycling skills at all :no:

Will this be contributing towards rider safety or to more accidents?

I know plenty of experienced people who have fuck all bike control.

IMO, good idea.

EDIT: as long as it is able to be turned off, fucking hate safety systems on wet roads or shingle.

[YellowDog]

I know plenty of experienced people who have fuck all bike control.

IMO, good idea.

EDIT: as long as it is able to be turned off, fucking hate safety systems on wet roads or shingle.

I have a mate who's been riding for almost 30 years. He says:

Counter steering, what's that all about then? Just lean your fat arse over and go with the flow :facepalm:

[jonbuoy]

Like all good assists if your riding well you won´t notice its been fitted.

[ducatilover]

I have a mate who's been riding for almost 30 years. He says:

Counter steering, what's that all about then? Just lean your fat arse over and go with the flow :facepalm:

:2thumbsup I know of a few like that.

[Scuba_Steve]

& here I was thinking that "motorcycle stability control" was called a car

[Kickaha]

I believe that learning the fundamental handling skills for a two wheeled vehicle is critical to any riders safety. If technology negates the need for such skills, the benefit of the technology may have a negative effect.
I dont believe technology negates the need for fundamental skills, but the skills to take advantage of the technology may be different

I dont see it as any different than the move from rigid frames to full suspension or drum brakes to disc

[YellowDog]

I dont believe technology negates the need for fundamental skills, but the skills to take advantage of the technology may be different

I dont see it as any different than the move from rigid frames to full suspension or drum brakes to disc

I guess I'm sort of coming around your way slightly, but I believe this development to be almost allowing riders to defy the laws of physics. The other enhancements mentioned do not, as they are just improvements within the same riding rules.

When you hit your front brake, mid bend, you are supposed to get thrown off to the opposite side of the bend, with your last thoughts being: I shit, I fucked up big time. I wonder how much the repair costs might be. If I die, at least I won't have to pay them."

I hate such gismos myself, but I do realise that some will love them. Our wealthier riders may well be able to appreciate the immediate benefits.

[bluninja]

I guess I'm sort of coming around your way slightly, but I believe this development to be almost allowing riders to defy the laws of physics. The other enhancements mentioned do not, as they are just improvements within the same riding rules.

When you hit your front brake, mid bend, you are supposed to get thrown off to the opposite side of the bend, with your last thoughts being: I shit, I fucked up big time. I wonder how much the repair costs might be. If I die, at least I won't have to pay them."

I hate such gismos myself, but I do realise that some will love them. Our wealthier riders may well be able to appreciate the immediate benefits.

Nah, if you go into a corner too hot (by your own perception) and then use some front brake in a panic it would be nice to be able to get round the corner, and then stop and change your undies, before taking stock and learning a valuable lesson. Killed or maimed you don't learn much that you can immediately go and practice to improve your skills.

The "too fast" part might be that you didn't notice the boulder/oily patch/campervan stopped to take a photo across the inside of the corner till part way round.

[EJK]

Why would a dishwasher company be involved with motorcycles?

[bluninja]

Why would a dishwasher company be involved with motorcycles?

Maybe someone got confused when asked to design a "quick cycle" :yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Why would a dishwasher company be involved with motorcycles?

Bosch, is a German multinational engineering and electronics company headquartered in Gerlingen, near Stuttgart, Germany. It is the world's largest supplier of automotive components

I think what you meant was Why would an automotive component company be involved in dishwashers