Requirements when transporting more than 5 litres of fuel?

[bosslady]

Many thanks in advance for anyone who can help me here. It's my understanding after reading this link: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/69/dangerous-goods-transported-for-domestic.html that if I am carrying more than 5 litres of "dangerous goods" or in my case, fuel, that there are special requirements that need to be met. Obviously I read the link, but still don't quite understand what those "special" or "extra" requirements are. I recently purchased myself a new rack for my bike that fits the Rotopax 6.6 litre fuel container and mount on it below:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292462&d=1389774746

Basically I want to try and not give someone an excuse to write me a ticket, if I can help it... Can anyone help here?

Also, I notice this fuel container is fitted with something called an "eco spout" in the US (which is where I got it) and ones sold outside of the US are fitted with one of those yellow flexi ones ( http://rotopax.com/1.75-Gallon/ ) is this an issue at all? I only ask as it doesn't make sense to have one spout for the US and a different one for everybody else.

Cheers!

[Madness]

Apologies in advance if my following post seems unhelpful. :yes:

Paint it rattle can black & don't stress so much. It's a petrol-approved container & you're what, 1.6l litres over the limit of some obscure rule? Maybe only put 5 litres of fuel in if you're still concerned?

[FJRider]

There are NO "special' requirements (any longer) for carrying over 5 liters of fuel. Otherwise my 10, 20, and 50 liters containers would be a pain in the ass for compliance ... :cool:

Don't worry and be happy ... :2thumbsup

[Grizzo]

Put the gas down the neck hole and forget about it.... and dont forget to....chill Winston.

[roogazza]

+ 1 to Madness , bosslady. If you knew how much aircraft fuel we used to lug around you'd go dizzy.
Don't encourage them for gods sake,there are too many rules as it is.

[bosslady]

Apologies in advance if my following post seems unhelpful. :yes:

Paint it rattle an black & don't stress so much. It's a petrol-approved container & you're what, 1.6l litres over the limit of some obscure rule? Maybe only put 5 litres of fuel in if you're still concerned?
I'm not overly concerned but figured if there was something very simple I could do to ensure that I complied, then I should probably at least try. I did think I could put only 5 litres in it, so that I did comply, but then it seemed if I did that what a total waste of money, the rack, container and mount weren't cheap so I'd rather use it to its extent!


There are NO "special' requirements (any longer) for carrying over 5 liters of fuel. Otherwise my 10, 20, and 50 liters containers would be a pain in the ass for compliance ... :cool:

Don't worry and be happy ... :2thumbsupHow do you know there are now no longer any special requirements? Can I find that anywhere?

[Madness]

+ 1 to Madness , bosslady. If you knew how much aircraft fuel we used to lug around you'd go dizzy.
Don't encourage them for gods sake,there are too many rules as it is.

I used to do the avgas run to Paraparaumu for boat racing. I'd often have 200 litres in the back of the stationwagon in plastic 20lt oil drums. I smoked like a chimney all the way back to The Hutt, just kept the drivers window down.

:shifty:

[Smifffy]

My interpretation:

From the link you posted, if you exceed the maximum quantity then you must ensure:

The packaging is appropriate
The labelling is correct, including UN number (UN1203)
The package is secured appropriately

From Table 2: Quantity limits (copy of schedule 1 from the Rule)

[Note: Petrol is classified as UN 1203, PETROL, Class 3, Packing Group II. ]

Class 3, Packing group II has a max quantity of 250L.

I think you can tote your little tank around without worrying about getting a ticket.

Use this info at your own risk. Doesn't constitute legal advice etc. And shit.

[bosslady]

My interpretation:

From the link you posted, if you exceed the maximum quantity then you must ensure:

The packaging is appropriate
The labelling is correct, including UN number (UN1203)
The package is secured appropriately

From Table 2: Quantity limits (copy of schedule 1 from the Rule)

[Note: Petrol is classified as UN 1203, PETROL, Class 3, Packing Group II. ]

Class 3, Packing group II has a max quantity of 250L.

I think you can tote your little tank around without worrying about getting a ticket.

Use this info at your own risk. Doesn't constitute legal advice etc. And shit.

Haha cheers Smifffy! I'll have to check out the markings on the container tomorrow in the light.

[FJRider]

I'm not overly concerned but figured if there was something very simple I could do to ensure that I complied, then I should probably at least try. I did think I could put only 5 litres in it, so that I did comply, but then it seemed if I did that what a total waste of money, the rack, container and mount weren't cheap so I'd rather use it to its extent!

How do you know there are now no longer any special requirements? Can I find that anywhere?

Your Main fuel tank alone holds MORE than 5 liters ...

Years ago there WAS a requirement for vehicles with large fuel capacity's to have restrictions placed on them ... 7 liters is not large.

YOU have nothing to fear.

[scumdog]

Basically I want to try and not give someone an excuse to write me a ticket, if I can help it... Can anyone help here?


Cheers!

Well first you would have to find a cop that knew about that sort of obscure shit before you could be worried about a ticket!!!:msn-wink:

Chill, you'll be right!:niceone:

[bosslady]

It should be interesting to see how much mileage I can get now. The 2-3 times I've run out of fuel I've been at about 90 - 95 miles, or 150kms thereabouts etc. just on main which is 8 litres. So you could say I get about 19kms to the litre which is pretty shite, but that's if you're commuting and giving it heaps of gas everywhere you go i.e. totallly unecessary shit. I've not yet seen how many k's I can get on main on the open road, that will be the test when I ride down to Taupo on Friday, am going to keep going without stopping for fuel and see how many k's I can get at motorway speeds etc. I reckon I should be able to get at least another 20 or so km's, surely? I figured though travelling open road (mostly) including the rotopax and my main and reserve tanks, I should get between 315k-350ish (??) k's before I need to stop for fuel? That's pretty decent I should think..

[bosslady]

Well first you would have to find a cop that knew about that sort of obscure shit before you could be worried about a ticket!!!:msn-wink:

Chill, you'll be right!:niceone:Haha ok I will take your word for it. I just thought it sticks out like a sore thumb and I myself have never seen any other bikes carrying fuel in such a manner as I.

[Smifffy]

Haha ok I will take your word for it. I just thought it sticks out like a sore thumb and I myself have never seen any other bikes carrying fuel in such a manner as I.

Most of 'em just bungee on a couple of coke bottles ;)

[Laava]

Just thought I would make the point that you should have this tank either dead full or dead empty. If it is half full it could slosh about at the wrong time and given it,s position, ie high and at the back, it could affect balance at really low speeds esp.
minor point tho.

[FJRider]

Well first you would have to find a cop that knew about that sort of obscure shit before you could be worried about a ticket!!!:msn-wink:

Chill, you'll be right!:niceone:

I imagine any such restrictions would be for commercial carriage of dangerous goods (Dangerous goods license required). Private use/carriage would be exempt.

[Gremlin]

I just thought it sticks out like a sore thumb and I myself have never seen any other bikes carrying fuel in such a manner as I.
You need to travel more ;)

I used to have a KTM, 18-19L main fuel tank, and put another 20L fuel tank on the back seat, even plumbed into the fuel line. A guy out New Plymouth way has the same thing and the same capacity, but a much more flash setup with full brackets and supports for it, covering for the tank etc.

Rotopax and the like are very common solution. PegPacker is another option. Normal fuel cans are used a fair bit. Very common accessories in adventure riding as the extra range is needed.

I went the other way and simply got a bike with a bigger fuel tank and can now carry 36-38L in the main fuel tank. Got rid of all the issues with the linked 2nd tank sometimes working, sometimes not etc (it was gravity feed, no extra pump).

[scumdog]

You need to travel more ;)

I used to have a KTM, 18-19L main fuel tank, and put another 20L fuel tank on the back seat, even plumbed into the fuel line. A guy out New Plymouth way has the same thing and the same capacity, but a much more flash setup with full brackets and supports for it, covering for the tank etc.

Rotopax and the like are very common solution. PegPacker is another option. Normal fuel cans are used a fair bit. Very common accessories in adventure riding as the extra range is needed.

I went the other way and simply got a bike with a bigger fuel tank and can now carry 36-38L in the main fuel tank. Got rid of all the issues with the linked 2nd tank sometimes working, sometimes not etc (it was gravity feed, no extra pump).


I've used plastic 2-litre Coke bottles myself - mind you I only carried two at once so I was under the 5-litre limit eh!:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

You need to travel more ;)



Words of wisdom indeed .... :laugh:

[awa355]

You would only have to worry about the cops for the first 30k. After that your're down to 5 litres anyway. :laugh:

[FJRider]

I've used plastic 2-litre Coke bottles myself - mind you I only carried two at once so I was under the 5-litre limit eh!:msn-wink:

There ARE restrictions on the type of fuel containers that ARE (or not) legal .... and I'm sure that 2 liter Coke bottles are NOT approved.

[Gremlin]

I've used plastic 2-litre Coke bottles myself - mind you I only carried two at once so I was under the 5-litre limit eh!:msn-wink:
You probably also avoided any smart comments from people that I was sitting in the middle of a bomb. People said, no worries if you come off, we'll look for the black cloud. :pinch:

That said, 2L coke bottles certainly aren't approved vessels for transport or storage. Long term, you would have problems as the plastic isn't strong enough, but if temporary, then you don't feel so guilty to throw away the bottle when you empty it. I felt a couple of litres wasn't nearly effective enough, or giving me enough extra distance for the hassle generated.

The luxury of rarely ever worrying about fuel and where the next stop is, can I make it etc, is priceless. Great for heading deep into the countryside to explore for the day, and not needing any gas.

[scumdog]

For you guys that commented above: I filled a Coke bottle and left it standing for a year - no degrading of the plastic at all, carried the bottles of petrol in my knap-sack when I has the old sporty that had 150km range. (On a good day!).

Of course impact with the road might be a different kettle of fish....

[R650R]

You wont have any problems with stuff transported in proper containers. Laws around stuff like DG's are very complex but only seemed to be enforced when you fail the attitude test and even then the cops themselves have to go look up the books themselves. The worst thing of all is that all this stuff was bought in after the ICI fire in a warehouse but go into any freight depot and the DG's are not segregated inside the shed, only on the truck!!!
I'd say the slosh effect on a vertical rotopax tank would be negligible.
Used to carry a 3.8L on the back before I got an Acerbis at right price.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5497/9298647472_37d0c71213.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77819625@N08/9298647472/)
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[Tazz]

There ARE restrictions on the type of fuel containers that ARE (or not) legal .... and I'm sure that 2 liter Coke bottles are NOT approved.

Whatever the hell they put in coke is probably worse for the plastic than petrol anyway :bleh:

[ducatilover]

Just thought I would make the point that you should have this tank either dead full or dead empty. If it is half full it could slosh about at the wrong time and given it,s position, ie high and at the back, it could affect balance at really low speeds esp.
minor point tho.

Probably as dangerous as needing to piss real bad? It'll only be 3kg if half full :innocent:

[TimeOut]

I'm pretty sure service stations aren't allowed to fill unapproved containers i.e. coke bottles

[Laava]

Probably as dangerous as needing to piss real bad? It'll only be 3kg if half full :innocent:

Yep, it was a minor point but I wish my bladder was as big as yours!

[Laava]

Whatever the hell they put in coke is probably worse for the plastic than petrol anyway :bleh:

Bourbon? So...yeah!

[unstuck]

I'm pretty sure service stations aren't allowed to fill unapproved containers i.e. coke bottles

Thats why you tell em to fuck off, and fill them yourself.:Punk:

[Smifffy]

I imagine any such restrictions would be for commercial carriage of dangerous goods (Dangerous goods license required). Private use/carriage would be exempt.

The link in the OP was specifically for non-commercial private carriage.

[Smifffy]

I've used plastic 2-litre Coke bottles myself - mind you I only carried two at once so I was under the 5-litre limit eh!:msn-wink:

Was that part of a selection course for the CVIU? :Police: :bleh:

[FJRider]

The link in the OP was specifically for non-commercial private carriage.

Actually ...if you read the schedule 1 correctly ... the Flammable Liquids portion is in two parts.

Petrol is listed in the second (lesser) class III and the limit is 250 litres.




[Note: Petrol is classified as UN 1203, PETROL, Class 3, Packing Group II. Diesel with a flash point of 60°C or less is classified as UN 1202, GAS OIL or DIESEL FUEL or HEATING OIL, LIGHT, Class 3, Packing Group III. Diesel with a flash point over 60°C is classified as UN 3082, ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, LIQUID, N.O.S. (Diesel), Class 9, Packing Group III.]

II or III 250 litres

[nodrog]

wrap it in bubblewrap, and paint your nose brown.

[Grashopper]

Used to carry a 3.8L on the back before I got an Acerbis at right price.

Wow, great pic! :2thumbsup:

So, would it be possible to safely connect an external fuel container like bosslady's safely to the fuel tank?

[FJRider]

Wow, great pic! :2thumbsup:

So, would it be possible to safely connect an external fuel container like bosslady's safely to the fuel tank?

Yes ... but it's better to connect to the existing fuel line between the tank and the carb.

But either a fuel shutoff valve may be required on the extra tank to stop the lower (of the two tanks) overflowing from the higher of the two tanks ... or check valves on each line to stop fuel going the "wrong way" through the lines.

[Smifffy]

Actually ...if you read the schedule 1 correctly ... the Flammable Liquids portion is in two parts.

Petrol is listed in the second (lesser) class III and the limit is 250 litres.




[Note: Petrol is classified as UN 1203, PETROL, Class 3, Packing Group II. Diesel with a flash point of 60°C or less is classified as UN 1202, GAS OIL or DIESEL FUEL or HEATING OIL, LIGHT, Class 3, Packing Group III. Diesel with a flash point over 60°C is classified as UN 3082, ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, LIQUID, N.O.S. (Diesel), Class 9, Packing Group III.]

II or III 250 litres

Thanks for the extra large letters, perhaps you missed that back in my post #8 on this thread?

[R650R]

Wow, great pic! :2thumbsup:

So, would it be possible to safely connect an external fuel container like bosslady's safely to the fuel tank?

Thanks.

Actually something I've always thought could be a goer in a developed country is inflight refuelling for bikes/cars/trucks.
Not everyone would be game for it but reckon there's a market for premium service for those not wanting to stop and endure the coffee que at the 'service' station...

[FJRider]

Thanks.

Actually something I've always thought could be a goer in a developed country is inflight refuelling for bikes/cars/trucks.
Not everyone would be game for it but reckon there's a market for premium service for those not wanting to stop and endure the coffee que at the 'service' station...

I've ridden bikes with the capability of doing 350+ km's without a refuel/stop ... and after that 350 km's ... I was quite happy to put the feet down.

Many still believe that 500 km's in a day is about all they can do. They've tried to do more (once) and never tried again.

[russd7]

I get about 19kms to the litre which is pretty shite, ..

how many kms/l you expecting, i woulda thought 19kms/l was not to shabby at all, i can get close to that outta the ZZR if im miss treating her but a whole lot less if i ride her right, as for goldy, normally around 12kms/l unless im behaving then still only 15km/l

[bosslady]

I had a gn250 before with better fuel use and a larger tank. My bike isn't much better or better at all compared to ny car :-)

[ducatilover]

Yep, it was a minor point but I wish my bladder was as big as yours!

When I need to pee, I look pregnant.

[ital916]

Only requirements for transporting fuel is that at no time should you crash and set yourself on fire whilst carrying a canister of fuel. If you do crash and do that or through some sheer act of lack of common dog manage to ignite said canister, then you are in breach of the regulations.

Drz400sm is a great bike, used to do auckland to welli on mine. Scenic route going hard, about six gas stops. But mine had teh engine mods. :devil2: Hope you put a pumper in it!