Evidence that wearing full safety apparel causes accidents

[danchop]

a poor nelson bloke whose actually lucky really,overheated in his bike gear and crashed onto the rocks,on rocks road in nelson.
sure his bike gear saved him after the fact,but he wouldnt have blacked out in shorts and a singlet

[Berries]

He should have taken Foam Street instead, or perhaps Bubble Avenue.

[The Reibz]

I came off at 200kph on the track last year. Shit maybe if the marshals let me race in boardies and a singlet instead off full one peice leathers, boots and gloves I might not have come off...
Honestly, best 1.5k I ever spent. No skin missing...

[iranana]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/9621082/Lucky-motorcyclist-avoids-serious-injury-in-accident

Sounds like it was more to it than the gear alone

[Scuba_Steve]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/9621082/Lucky-motorcyclist-avoids-serious-injury-in-accident

Sounds like it was more to it than the gear alone

yep obviously he wasn't going fast enough either needed more wind flow :shifty:

[AllanB]

Weird.

One would assume he was feeling 'off' before the 'accident' ......

[Fern]

this is a load of crock... i've ridden through deserts- 50c- in full european black textile gear, and was hot but didn't kill... heatstroke or something similar-- maybe hangover or trying not to have licence rescinded for epilepsy?

I prefer having skin...

http://www.getyourownbike.com/BrittanyMorrow.htm


http://www.getyourownbike.com/photogallery/BrittanyMorrow/roadrashpic1.jpg

[Gremlin]

As Fern said... I've been in 49+ degrees for more than an hour, and the gauge topped out at 53 degrees. Dehydration was a serious risk, but otherwise, fine. Also, in high temperatures you're better to cover up your skin to reduce skin area being exposed to wind/sun which dehydrates you faster.

[bluninja]

I used to work in the engine room of ships with the temperature above 50 for 8 hours a day in full safety gear...the ship never crashed. Mind you I didn't try playing tennis :laugh:

I have ridden, and done track time in full gear in high temps , never felt dizzy or faint from the heat. As has been said already, hydration is the key to things.

[SMOKEU]

I stick to the push bike on hot days. Pour water over my head and back, and I'm fine. Beats being stuck in leathers with an overheating engine.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeaaaaaah Naaaaaaah

After recently doing an impromptu destructive test on my Cape Town Alpine Star Jacket - seeing the Kevlar worn right through to the armour in the shoulder, seeing the armour on my Gerricke kangaroo leather gloves scuffed to hell and the sacrificial leather pads well and truly sacrificed - all I can say is:

my Loathing at seeing other motorcyclists NOT wearing proper safety gear has only increased - if my jacket could get so trashed, I shudder to think how my shoulder would have faired, I suspect the Ambulance crews would have shown up only to be picking bits of my skin and bone off the motorway had I been one of those 'cool' bikers riding round in singlet and shorts.

sure - maybe 1 in 10,000 crashes might have had the safety gear that we wear contribute to the crash - but even that 1 crash - I would wager that the wearer came out better for wearing correct gear - Even if it was the direct and sole cause of the crash

On a slight aside - I actually thought this thread was going to be about the Psychological effects of wearing safety gear and the 'bulletproof' mentality that sometimes comes with it

[300weatherby]

Sitting at the Sign of the Kiwi today, up the hill and into the carpark come 18 scooter/moped/stepthough types on some random rally, THREE of them wearing gloves, all wearing helmets nearly older than me,one of them in a nazi helment! a random assortment of gymshoes/trackpants/jeans/tshirts/denim jackets. Fuel containers straped on the tank,tied on the back, hanging off to one side, one of this lot had his 5ltr container AS his fuel tank. Some, drinking bears as they waited for the next group move.

Watching them manouver their various contraptions, it became obvious that none of them had a clue what they were doing and no regard for the consequences delivered by the inevitable............

It is we, the hard put apon taxpayer, that will pay for the skin grafts, finger amputations, reconstructive surgury ect.

[Milts]

Clearly he was not wearing appropriate gear, if it was such that it allegedly caused him to overheat...

Regardless, I feel that's the wrong way to look at it. Even if wearing gear caused some crashes, you would have to weigh that against the balance of injuries or crashes it prevented - and obviously it comes up trumps in that respect.

Glad to hear he walked away though, fingers crossed for a full recovery.


On a slight aside - I actually thought this thread was going to be about the Psychological effects of wearing safety gear and the 'bulletproof' mentality that sometimes comes with it.
Same here. And even so, the above logic still applies IMO.

[cheshirecat]

So - A question might be; is the mindset different, re crashing, togging up with full gear for a weekend ride over the whats its different from casual gear for the odd commute to the dairy? ie is the riding envelope of safety/calculated risks different.


I mention this since when DRing I never relied on my gear though in those days is was only PVC jackets, leggings and trainers (have you ever tried wearing MC boots 12 hours a day 5 days a week?)

[Berries]

Sitting at the Sign of the Kiwi today, up the hill and into the carpark come 18 scooter/moped/stepthough types on some random rally, THREE of them wearing gloves, all wearing helmets nearly older than me,one of them in a nazi helment! a random assortment of gymshoes/trackpants/jeans/tshirts/denim jackets. Fuel containers straped on the tank,tied on the back, hanging off to one side, one of this lot had his 5ltr container AS his fuel tank. Some, drinking bears as they waited for the next group move.

Watching them manouver their various contraptions, it became obvious that none of them had a clue what they were doing and no regard for the consequences delivered by the inevitable............

It is we, the hard put apon taxpayer, that will pay for the skin grafts, finger amputations, reconstructive surgury ect.
If they crash. Perhaps you are more likely to crash than any one of them, who knows.

[jasonu]

Maybe he should have taken the IAMS cat food course.;)

[Wingnut]

Maybe he should have taken the IAMS cat food course.;)

Ahhhhhhhhhh - Dont start that shit again!!!!!!!!! :brick:

[Bassmatt]

Some, drinking bears as they waited for the next group move.


Sounds difficult

[Quasievil]

I came off at 200kph on the track last year. Shit maybe if the marshals let me race in boardies and a singlet instead off full one peice leathers, boots and gloves I might not have come off...
Honestly, best 1.5k I ever spent. No skin missing...

Really 200 kmph huh ? where , which corner ? what track, or was it on a straight ?

and you used the word "honesty" as well lol:niceone:

[Trade_nancy]

a poor nelson bloke whose actually lucky really,overheated in his bike gear and crashed onto the rocks,on rocks road in nelson.
sure his bike gear saved him after the fact,but he wouldnt have blacked out in shorts and a singlet

I can relate to that - spent a night in Nelson coming home from Invergiggle after the Burt Munro....and went along the rocks to get some feesh and cheeps from that fish shop on the left by the jetty. All went well till we tried at 5:30pm (workday) to ride back towards the unit at Kaiteriwhatever....must have been a traffic snarl 2km long. We pootled along in 1st gear so slow - with the wife on back - the bike was getting tipsy. Finally after 10mins of hell - in heat - we got to a spot where we could split past the traffic - for a while. Phew - it was hot. Temp gauge on the bike shot up 2 bars as well. All caused by the traffic lights at the major intersection.

[russd7]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/9621082/Lucky-motorcyclist-avoids-serious-injury-in-accident

Sounds like it was more to it than the gear alone

yup, it appears from the article that he may have been riding a suzuki

[FJRider]

... and you used the word "honesty" as well lol:niceone:

He didn't actually ... the word he used was "honestly" .... and in the context of the last sentence was quite appropriate ....

[oneofsix]

yup, it appears from the article that he may have been riding a suzuki

I think the problem is that he was only perched on top of the Suzuki, looks like a GSX650F. (I might be interested in spare parts. :shutup:)

You don't have to be in ATGATT on a hot day to collapse after exercise. I distinctly remember going to sleep whilst sitting on a stool after a run, I knew it was happening and what would happen next but couldn't stop it, as it was a 3 legged bar 'interior designer' type stool the ATGATT could have been useful. :lol:

Not just a case of ATGATT, make sure you mentally and physical are ready to ride.

Hope both he and the bike isn't too badly damaged.

[@ndy]

No a chance... Maybe be something else, but no way you get heat stroke from a short ride in full gear. Otherwise GP pilots that race in the European summer in full leathers gear, when is 42*C , won't make it to the second lap.

[ducatilover]

Poor bloke, he must have Dave's syndrome.

[FJRider]

No a chance... Maybe be something else, but no way you get heat stroke from a short ride in full gear. Otherwise GP pilots that race in the European summer in full leathers gear, when is 42*C , won't make it to the second lap.

A one piece race leather suit is way different to a black heavy duty leathers (possibly with linings) ... plus any clothing he may have had on under the leathers.

All the gear was new ... so was maybe trying it all out. A Born again Biker ... doing what they do initially ... unfamiliar gear / bike .. and doing it all wrong.

[Juniper]

a poor nelson bloke whose actually lucky really,overheated in his bike gear and crashed onto the rocks,on rocks road in nelson.
sure his bike gear saved him after the fact,but he wouldnt have blacked out in shorts and a singlet


Mr Marshall said Mr Taylor's new-looking gear and "major" helmet definitely saved his life. "The helmet is pretty darn dented."



On a slight aside - I actually thought this thread was going to be about the Psychological effects of wearing safety gear and the 'bulletproof' mentality that sometimes comes with it

I must admit that when I first got my gear I felt near damn invincible, mainly because as I've collected my gear I've been wearing jeans or leather boots in the meantime. Now my gear just feels like my gear. My boots do feel invincible after the dog. If I hit that thing fast enough to break my bike then it damn well should have broken my foot. But I limped away with torn tendons. My foot should have been snapped in half, and I know I had the peg at the arch of my foot :pinch: stoopid.

I recently had to go to interviews so donned my office pants and heels (ok they were the ones I used to wear on the bike anyway because their ankle high thick leather) and felt so naked. Next time I somehow take gear and get changed round the corner!!

[Quasievil]

He didn't actually ... the word he used was "honestly" .... and in the context of the last sentence was quite appropriate ....

Who Died and made you fucking Hitcher ?

[Juniper]

A one piece race leather suit is way different to a black heavy duty leathers (possibly with linings) ... plus any clothing he may have had on under the leathers.

All the gear was new ... so was maybe trying it all out. A Born again Biker ... doing what they do initially ... unfamiliar gear / bike .. and doing it all wrong.

That born again rider thing scares me. A guy I shoot with wants to start riding again after 40 years. Wants a cruiser doesn't care if its not LAMS, doesn't want to get proper gear cause he "Knows how to ride and that stuffs unnecessary" just going to ride in normal pants and shoes. Even after I said there are some good looking motorbike boots out there that just look like normal shoes/dress boots. I'm scared that next he's going to get an open faced helmet, cause that's the 'look he wants'. Though I have said Shoei have a helmet that works both ways.

[TheDemonLord]

That born again rider thing scares me. A guy I shoot with wants to start riding again after 40 years. Wants a cruiser doesn't care if its not LAMS, doesn't want to get proper gear cause he "Knows how to ride and that stuffs unnecessary" just going to ride in normal pants and shoes. Even after I said there are some good looking motorbike boots out there that just look like normal shoes/dress boots. I'm scared that next he's going to get an open faced helmet, cause that's the 'look he wants'. Though I have said Shoei have a helmet that works both ways.

Darwinian Evolution smiles upon him

[Stylo]

Darwinian Evolution smiles upon him

The Grim reaper's having a chuckle too ..

[FJRider]

Who Died and made you fucking Hitcher ?

Admit you were wrong ... and move on .. :shifty:

[russd7]

No a chance... Maybe be something else, but no way you get heat stroke from a short ride in full gear. Otherwise GP pilots that race in the European summer in full leathers gear, when is 42*C , won't make it to the second lap.

must be a few more vollys or perms on here thinking what a load of amateurs, try going in to a burning building in full kit with BA on and dragging a hose, that tends to get the temp up more than just a little.:shit:

but any way, people react differently to heat as they do cold, and some people can go down hill quick for no apparent reason