How dodgy is scraping foot pegs on sports bike or sports tourer? [Archive]

newbie2012

23rd January 2014, 19:52

Hi all, how serious (dangerous too strong ?) is scrapping foot pegs on sports bike/sports tourer at reasonable speed (e.g. 100kph) ?

Any insights from rider who have actually done it welcome.

PS there was a blog under hogs & cruisers, but it didn't answer the question assuming more serious at higher lean angles, couldn't see any other threads, hence new thread.

tigertim20

23rd January 2014, 19:54

slow down rossi

MVnut

23rd January 2014, 19:58

newbie2012

23rd January 2014, 20:12

Hell, I'm not Rossi, figure there is way too much to hit on NZ roads without throwing in excess speeds.

I haven't actually scrapped them, certainly do not plan to. I am curious what it does to the stability of the bike when people have, as I can only assume it will have an adverse impact.

Akzle

23rd January 2014, 20:13

scraping pegs? Pussy, you should be scraping your bar ends like all the pros.

Akzle

23rd January 2014, 20:15

oh you never have?
I think youll find pegs fold up.
But you shouldnt be that far over without a knee down.

:corn:

newbie2012

23rd January 2014, 20:17

scraping pegs? Pussy, you should be scraping your bar ends like all the pros.

Excellent, it is official. I'm a pussy on KB:2thumbsup, at least my street cred can only go up. I hope.

When you are putting your weight on the inside peg (with our weight over the inside of the corner if you are trying to get your knee down) and the peg hits, does the weight keep your foot on the peg or is it a real 'oh shit' moment ?

FJRider

23rd January 2014, 20:18

Thicker knee sliders are what you need ... foot pegs are hinged for a reason .. :devil2:

Akzle

23rd January 2014, 20:21

Thicker knee sliders are what you need ... foot pegs are hinged for a reason .. :devil2:

youre getting slow in your old age.

Gremlin

23rd January 2014, 20:21

Depends on the bike, it's suspension, the rider, the overall weight on the bike etc. Some can touch down quite easily, others you're more likely to lose the tyres before the pegs.

What happens when they touch down? Depends again. Most front pegs on bikes are folding, so you may feel them fold up slightly. Touch them down too hard and you're risking one or both tyres lifting up, and the bike pivoting on the peg instead. This usually ends up with a lot more getting scraped.

cs363

23rd January 2014, 20:23

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/Stoner_10GP07_1186_AN1279169132.jpg

Start practising....

Or for a more sensible answer see Gremlin's reply above.....

FJRider

23rd January 2014, 20:24

youre getting slow in your old age.

The older I get ... the faster I was ... :cool:

skippa1

23rd January 2014, 20:30

Motu

23rd January 2014, 20:42

Touch them down too hard and you're risking one or both tyres lifting up, and the bike pivoting on the peg instead. .

Bikes didn't always have folding pegs, you'd just lay the bike down hard on the pegs and scrape everything - we didn't look at chicken strips, there were none, we looked at how much of the pegs were ground down to gauge what sort of rider they were. Pivoting on the pegs - yes it was done, lift the back wheel up and tighten the line. Of course we didn't have 100hp and 3 disc brakes....

Gremlin

23rd January 2014, 20:47

...we looked at how much of the pegs were ground down to gauge what sort of rider they were...
A lot of bikes now have the feelers under the pegs you can wear down.

Alternatively, I remember a few years ago, touring on my boss's Blackbird. South Island West Coast, corner tightened up a bit so I leant the bike over. Heard a small twang, thought nothing of it as everything seemed fine. A few weeks later my boss asks me where the one feeler was. Apparently it did have one on each peg when he lent it to me. :whistle:

SNF

23rd January 2014, 21:51

Went a little quick round a corner, had to lean more than usual. Scraped my peg and my boot, first time scraping and got both! Wasn't bad but I wasn't really expecting it.

Actually took a chunk out the sole (crusty old boots given to me, soles were kinda rooted anyway). I never noticed it until one day I was riding in the rain and my left foot suddenly felt a bit damp. Taught me to lift my foot. Oh and not to go so quick into certain corners.

Gremlin

23rd January 2014, 22:00

Scraped my peg and my boot, first time scraping and got both! Wasn't bad but I wasn't really expecting it.
Check where you are placing your feet on the pegs. You should have the ball of your foot on the pegs, and this will definitely reduce the chance of scraping boots. Worst case scenario, your boot gets caught and drags your foot under the peg...

EJK

23rd January 2014, 22:01

Sure, with some effort it is easily possible to scrape pegs on a sports bike. People say "peg folds" but in reality, while you are cornering (hard), you have a lot of your weight pressure on the leaning footpeg so the peg actually DON'T fold. With some weight pressure on scraping peg, you unload some pressure to the rear tyre; hence can lose grip on the rear (easily). Yes, I've had some fish tailing moments.

SNF

23rd January 2014, 22:12

Check where you are placing your feet on the pegs. You should have the ball of your foot on the pegs, and this will definitely reduce the chance of scraping boots. Worst case scenario, your boot gets caught and drags your foot under the peg...

Yeah I got off very lightly that time. I find it uncomfortable to continually ride with the ball of my foot constantly on the pegs, so I move my foot up when I see a corner - not done it since. Lesson learned.

ducatilover

23rd January 2014, 22:46

;) Peg scraping on a 650 Bandit is pretty standard riding procedure, no need to worry mate. They fold, so slam the bastards down.
They scrape earlier if your wife/boyfriend/rohypnol-filled-slut is fat too, or just near the bike. Suspension made of tasty, tasty cheese.

On proper manly sportbikes pegs only scrape when I am about to get my spine and head down, then up, then down again

neels

23rd January 2014, 23:02

As long as you don't panic you won't die.

It can happen occasionally when you start to enjoy yourself a bit much, as long as mrs on the back doesn't notice it's all good.

Katman

24th January 2014, 07:14

You should have the ball of your foot on the pegs...

Yet another thing we disagree on.

p.dath

24th January 2014, 07:28

On a lot of sports bikes they often have "sissy pegs" (people have other names for them as well) that protrude below the main pegs. Those bits that protrude down are you're first warning that you are starting to run low on ground clearance. People often take them off when they go onto the track.

This next bit is conjecture, and should not be considered "fact" (consider it my "opinion"). Generally you can expect your tyres to hold on up to the point where the sissy pegs start to touch down. If the sissy pegs are removed IMHO you need to step up to a sport style tyre (not sport-touring) so as to be assured the tyres have reasonable traction at those higher lean angles.

I'll leave it up to the person riding the bike to say weather they should be using this much lean angle on the road or not, since obviously they know when they are using the extra lean angle and not me, and what situation that is in.

Rhys

24th January 2014, 08:29

Yet another thing we disagree on.

would you ride with your heals in the pegs ?

EJK

24th January 2014, 08:45

would you ride with your heals in the pegs ?

Different body position to different types of bikes I guess. I wouldn't ride ball on pegs on a Harley.

Hitcher

24th January 2014, 09:58

Scraping cruiser pegs is really exciting when one discovers that they aren't designed to fold up. Thank you Suzuki Marauder 800 for improving my understanding of what "tripodding" means.

Gremlin

24th January 2014, 11:08

Yet another thing we disagree on.
I think I'll be able to survive the rejection :sunny:

This next bit is conjecture, and should not be considered "fact" (consider it my "opinion"). Generally you can expect your tyres to hold on up to the point where the sissy pegs start to touch down. If the sissy pegs are removed IMHO you need to step up to a sport style tyre (not sport-touring) so as to be assured the tyres have reasonable traction at those higher lean angles.
I would have said there are far too many variables amongst bikes and tyres to actually draw any conclusions. Example 1, lost a feeler when I touched it down on the road on a Blackbird, but didn't reach the edge of the tyre. The feelers will touch down more easily as per my first post, soft suspension, heavy load, heavy rider etc, are all going to bring the feelers closer to the ground without any other changes. Different tyres also have different profiles, so you'll hit their edge sooner or later, depending.

Different body position to different types of bikes I guess. I wouldn't ride ball on pegs on a Harley.
He's not asking about cruisers though. Plenty probably have floorboards too, and those definitely don't fold up.

Katman

24th January 2014, 11:21

Plenty probably have floorboards too, and those definitely don't fold up.

Really?

You really should try doing some research first and opening your mouth later.

Gremlin

24th January 2014, 11:23

Really?

You really should try doing some research first and opening your mouth later.
The ones I've ridden didn't... Good enough for me, since the thread isn't about cruisers.

Katman

24th January 2014, 11:25

The ones I've ridden didn't... Good enough for me, since the thread isn't about cruisers.

Except that you replied directly to a post that mentioned Harleys.

Crasherfromwayback

24th January 2014, 11:37

while you are cornering (hard), you have a lot of your weight pressure on the leaning footpeg so the peg actually DON'T fold. With some weight pressure on scraping peg, you unload some pressure to the rear tyre; hence can lose grip on the rear (easily). .

Weight should be on the opp peg as far as I'm concerned.

He's not asking about cruisers though. Plenty probably have floorboards too, and those definitely don't fold up.

Ain't come across a set of floor boards yet that don't fold up sorry mate.

Katman

24th January 2014, 11:51

Weight should be on the opp peg as far as I'm concerned.

Ain't come across a set of floor boards yet that don't fold up sorry mate.

Sounds like a classic case of a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Crasherfromwayback

24th January 2014, 12:05

Sounds like a classic case of a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Well I CAN tell ya that there ain't a whole lot of weight being put through the left peg of this rather heavy beast.

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Taxythingy

24th January 2014, 12:13

I'll leave it up to the person riding the bike to say weather they should be using this much lean angle on the road or not,

Jeez, been reading too much of Muppet's thread recently? Lay it out there: scraping the feelers is both fast AND safe.

(Except if your bike is orange AND you're riding SH75 AND someone saw you AND said it looked good. Then it might not be.)

pritch

24th January 2014, 12:41

Weight should be on the opp peg as far as I'm concerned.

That was my take on it too.

Also re foot placement on the pegs: the ball of the foot on the peg is fine for a short (ish) burst, as in it's "playtime". To do it for a protracted period won't get you anything much except cramp, or worse, deep vein thrombosos. For normal riding arch of foot on pegs is fine.

Rhys

24th January 2014, 12:42

Well I CAN tell ya that there ain't a whole lot of weight being put through the left peg of this rather heavy beast.

Fuck A Harley going around a corner :girlfight:

Crasherfromwayback

24th January 2014, 12:44

That was my take on it too.

Also re foot placement on the pegs: the ball of the foot on the peg is fine for a short (ish) burst, as in it's "playtime". To do it for a protracted period won't get you anything much except cramp, or worse, deep vein thrombosos. For normal riding arch of foot on pegs is fine.

Agree 100%.

Crasherfromwayback

24th January 2014, 12:45

Fuck A Harley going around a corner :girlfight:

Lol. Sure is/was. Mind you...really long shocks on the rear to get it off the ground. They had pretty unlimited ground clearance like that as they're really quite narrow.

pritch

24th January 2014, 12:47

292908
Fuck A Harley going around a corner :girlfight:

Hopefully herewith a JPG

willytheekid

24th January 2014, 12:50

Hmmm footpegs you say?....So I SHOULDN'T! be standing on the seat then?:confused:

ps...I have a spark plug remover for a left foot peg presently :weep:...damn my fat friends!!...anyone got a left hand peg for a VFR750?...I promise not to wear it out LOL

Metastable

24th January 2014, 16:19

When you are putting your weight on the inside peg (with our weight over the inside of the corner if you are trying to get your knee down) and the peg hits, does the weight keep your foot on the peg or is it a real 'oh shit' moment ?

You weight the inside of the peg during turn in. In the turn you should be using your outside leg to hold yourself, buy hugging the gas tank with your outside leg ... there should be little weight on the inside peg. If you are mainly weighting the inside peg mid corner and it hits a bump... that could be an oh $#!T moment. Or.... if for whatever reason your ass slips off the seat... then there is a good chance you might just fall off. That won't happen if you are hugging the tank with your outside leg.

bluninja

24th January 2014, 18:23

My Suzuki A100 had fixed pegs and I went down a spiral ramp to college each morning and up it each night. The pegs would often touch down, too hard and the back would lift and step out but didn't ever come to grief because of scraping the pegs.

But to sports bikes. I used to have my folding pegs touch down on sports bikes in fast medium tight corners.....then I learned to finish slowing down before the corner and have the throttle opened through the corner. My ground clearance increased and my pegs wouldn't touch down....until after my knee, my calf, and my ankle sliders.

Agree with other posters about weighting the outside peg. Don't even weight the inside on turn in; why would you? it's the counter steering that leans your bike and not your weight distribution. Also weighting the peg to inside and then putting pressure on outside peg once turning means your are pushing off the inside peg and then rapidly transferring your weight across the bike to the other side (whilst leant over). Normally I would expect to position myself on the bike before the corner and maintain that position through the corner so as not to add more work for the suspension.

Metastable

25th January 2014, 12:03

Just to clarify... when I said weight the inside peg during turn in.... that's typically where one would do it.... not saying you have to do it. It is a small thing, but it helps, even though it isn't a must do.

newbie2012

26th January 2014, 11:07

Thanks all. You've confirmed in my mind that scrapping a peg must take some weight off one of both of your tyres, which can't be a good thing for bike stability while cornering, especially for someone of my novice skills to recover.

I am a bit confused about the different views on inside/outside peg weighting - are some riders saying that you should bias your weight on the outside peg during cornering, or just that you should still have weight on the outside peg ? I've found that putting more weight (but not all my weight) on the inside peg of my rather 'robustly' built GSX650 while getting set up for the corner makes the bike far smoother & easier to counterturn into the corner, plus keeps the bike more upright in wet weather. If I weight the outside peg, I have to move the bars further and lean the bike more to do the same line and speed through the same corner.

newbie2012

26th January 2014, 11:09

Start practising....

Or for a more sensible answer see Gremlin's reply above.....

PS that is one awesome picture :-)

Crasherfromwayback

26th January 2014, 11:46

You've confirmed in my mind that scrapping a peg must take some weight off one of both of your tyres, which can't be a good thing for bike stability while cornering, especially for someone of my novice skills to recover.

I am a bit confused about the different views on inside/outside peg weighting - are some riders saying that you should bias your weight on the outside peg during cornering, or just that you should still have weight on the outside peg ? .

Ummmmm...no it doesn't. Only if they're not the folding type...which is very rare.

Next...if you're a *novice*, the last thing you should be doing is getting even close to dragging shit.

Next...ah no. Pretty sure only one person has said to weight the inside peg through the turn...and they'd be wrong. Well wrong.

george formby

26th January 2014, 12:00

I find grinding your centre stand is the best way to lift a wheel in a corner. At this point the peg is usually squishing your boot against the bike frame.
Orsome sparks, though.

Gremlin

26th January 2014, 12:41

I find grinding your centre stand is the best way to lift a wheel in a corner. At this point the peg is usually squishing your boot against the bike frame.
Orsome sparks, though.
Depends on the bike, I've scraped the centre and side stands on the BMW, enough to worry at some point in the future whether there is enough metal left on the stand. Usually only happens 2up (might have to discuss when suspension is serviced) but I've never scraped the pegs or my boots.

Kickaha

26th January 2014, 12:45

Depends on the bike, I've scraped the centre and side stands on the BMW,

Can't be trying hard enough Ive scraped rocker covers, they hit the deck about the same time as the non folding pegs an then it all turns bad

SPman

26th January 2014, 13:49

Being old (school), I've never really come to terms with knee down, etc, so, with a suspect cornering technique and tired suspension, I've ground away at footpegs on various Yamaha 750's (FZR and YZF) at old Taupo, and once had a grinding session on the GSXR1000's pegs coming down the Rimutakas. But...I was playing sillybuggers!
I've scraped the end of the muffler on a GT750 Ducati - but that was with the missus on the back and a bump mid corner....
I did ground a centre stand tag mid corner on a T250 Suzuki once....but that all ended badly.......my introduction to highsides!

george formby

26th January 2014, 16:22

Before I went over to the dark side I used to scrape the TDM pegs when fully loaded. The one up over more so than the one down here. The up over bike has full givi luggage which I fill, nay, cram, for my Y'erpean jaunts. A month or two on the road.
Yeah, mid corner compressions will do it.
It was my old 750 kwaka which used to grind everything, side stand, centre stand, which eventually snapped & the zorsts. It was tougher than most hedges, too. Ahh, the ignorance & enthusiasm of yoof.
Glad I got that out of my system.

Gremlin

26th January 2014, 19:11

Can't be trying hard enough Ive scraped rocker covers, they hit the deck about the same time as the non folding pegs an then it all turns bad
Send it for a visit to the Doc then... the scraping was worse on stock suspension, 2up mode while 1up with some gear and I was dragging the stands.

Motu

26th January 2014, 19:56

Back when we were a single car, but many bike family, I used to ferry the girls to various after school activities on the XS1 (1971 XS650) . It'd be going Chink, Chink, Chink as it wallowed around the corners, touching down pegs and exhausts as the frame flexed. The girls grew up pre teens on the back of that bike, thinking it was normal that bikes made noises around corners as I took them to dancing or gym lessons.

newbie2012

31st January 2014, 21:23

Doh !:brick:

Your insight on what probably seemed a strange question has made me wake up to the fact I wasn't riding properly. Now getting my body into a better position and keeping weight even on pegs, which has freed up my arms more so bike is more nimble and feeling smoother (but still the same bike, go figure !). Did a ride out to Bethels and then onto Piha to practice, couldn't stop smiling all week.

A big thanks guys. Another score for the KB Mentor programme.

skinman

3rd February 2014, 19:09

Depends on the bike, I've scraped the centre and side stands on the BMW, enough to worry at some point in the future whether there is enough metal left on the stand. Usually only happens 2up (might have to discuss when suspension is serviced) but I've never scraped the pegs or my boots.

Yea I have scaped the side stand 2up on LH corners. Find winding the suspension to full hard helps though. Also slowwing down for LH espcially if it looks bumpy.
Used to have a C50 & dragged the boards for fun on pretty much any corner. Have to lift inside foot or it gets squashed as the boards fold up.

Banditbandit

4th February 2014, 08:54

You should have the ball of your foot on the pegs,

I just knew this was going to come up .. and the resulting argument ...

Weight should be on the opp peg as far as I'm concerned.

And this one ... pushing on the footpeg is much like counter-steering ... it gets the bike set up for the corner quicker .. but is really only noticeable at very high speeds .. such as professional racers use .. for road riding it's hardly worth it ...

I am a bit confused about the different views on inside/outside peg weighting - are some riders saying that you should bias your weight on the outside peg during cornering, or just that you should still have weight on the outside peg ? I've found that putting more weight (but not all my weight) on the inside peg of my rather 'robustly' built GSX650 while getting set up for the corner makes the bike far smoother & easier to counterturn into the corner, plus keeps the bike more upright in wet weather. If I weight the outside peg, I have to move the bars further and lean the bike more to do the same line and speed through the same corner.

Yes - exactly ... counter-steering is enhanced by pushing on the footpeg ... in the corner, balance the bike on the revs ... (on an FU that might not be so easy as they are under-powered ... )

Next...if you're a *novice*, the last thing you should be doing is getting even close to dragging shit.

I'm inclined to agree - however what he describes tells me he's a fast learner - and will soon be racing on the track ..

Next...ah no. Pretty sure only one person has said to weight the inside peg through the turn...and they'd be wrong. Well wrong.

Hmm .. I'm a little surprised at your response ... I thought you would have known about pushing on the pegs to add to the counter steering forces of pushing on the bars ...

PS .. I'm not that shit hot a rider that I use the technique .. but then, I don't own a sprots bike either ..

Crasherfromwayback

4th February 2014, 09:05

And this one ... pushing on the footpeg is much like counter-steering ... it gets the bike set up for the corner quicker .. but is really only noticeable at very high speeds .. such as professional racers use .. for road riding it's hardly worth it ...

Hmm .. I'm a little surprised at your response ... I thought you would have known about pushing on the pegs to add to the counter steering forces of pushing on the bars ...

PS .. I'm not that shit hot a rider that I use the technique .. but then, I don't own a sprots bike either ..

Think your not understanding what I'm saying mate. I'm referring to the comment that stated you have all of your weight on the inside peg through the corner. Because that's bullshit.

Banditbandit

4th February 2014, 09:44

Think your not understanding what I'm saying mate. I'm referring to the comment that stated you have all of your weight on the inside peg through the corner. Because that's bullshit.

Yeah .. you are right ... that would be bullshit ...

Jobiwan

4th February 2014, 10:22

Started my riding on a first gen VT250F... could even get the passenger pegs to scrape :yes:

...kinda more relaxed now :eek5:

On the whole weighting thing - having read Twist of the Wrist 2 I found my riding style, smoothness, speed, and comfort all took a giant leap forward - for any who haven't read it, or seen the video, it's a mine of info!

release_the_bees

4th February 2014, 11:28

On my old KR150, the expansion chamber would occasionally touch down when leant over. It gave me quite a shock the first time that it happened.

Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk

G4L4XY

4th February 2014, 11:30

If you're not wearing boots it can be pretty dodgy :)

McShanNZ

4th February 2014, 11:48

Pretty keen to eliminate the 'Chicken Strips'. Not there yet...
Not sure if anyone has come across "Schaaf" on YouTube, but some scraping action going on when he's chasing a random Fireblade.

ZondaX15

4th February 2014, 20:31

I used to scrap peg on my Ducati. I sold it and brought a motard. Now I'm having the same problem. What am I doing wrong?

Crasherfromwayback

4th February 2014, 21:38

I used to scrap peg on my Ducati. I sold it and brought a motard. Now I'm having the same problem. What am I doing wrong?

Dreaming at a guess.

Kickaha

4th February 2014, 21:44

Pretty keen to eliminate the 'Chicken Strips'. Not there yet...

The whole chicken strips thing is a just a big wank anyway, anyone who judges another rider on that is a cock

haydes55

4th February 2014, 21:48

I used to scrap peg on my Ducati. I sold it and brought a motard. Now I'm having the same problem. What am I doing wrong?

I bet you go around corners with no throttle on. Or you're fat and haven't adjusted the suspension. Or your cornering line is to carve the corner rather than smooth lines.

ducatilover

4th February 2014, 22:23

Read A Twist of the Wrist 1-2

That'll fix ya'll up. 'cept Crasher, he's already the man :niceone:
Unless it's coffee we're talking about, everyone says he's shit at that

cs363

4th February 2014, 22:36

'cept Crasher, he's already the man :niceone:

Debatable. I'd use one of Jeremy Clarkson's pet phrases and describe him more as a 'Lady Garden' :lol:

Unless it's coffee we're talking about, everyone says he's shit at that

He is, no debate there.

He's OK at serving cold Steinies though....

Banditbandit

5th February 2014, 12:49

Does anyone know a bike shop in Godzone that actually gives people GOOD coffee ???

I don't - free coffee is all shit - at least it's free ...

toebug

8th February 2014, 11:23

Knee down at all costs!

Crasherfromwayback

9th February 2014, 17:19

Read A Twist of the Wrist 1-2

That'll fix ya'll up. 'cept Crasher, he's already the man :niceone:

I taught that wrinkly old smackhead everything he knows.

Corse1

9th February 2014, 20:26

I find grinding your centre stand is the best way to lift a wheel in a corner. At this point the peg is usually squishing your boot against the bike frame.
Orsome sparks, though.

Haha I need peg feelers to tell me when I am getting close to the centre stand touching down. Had a couple of scary moments with that and the ridiculously large radius on the GPR pipes where they exit under the chassis each side to travel on to the muffler. They will need replacing soon. Pegs have never been scraped :baby:
Funny moment going up the Kaimais on a M109R. I could see this harley behind me with ten foot tall handlebars. Not for long as he passed me with plenty of sparks coming from the Suzi's peg feelers. I handed it back to the owner in disgust :confused:

Tigadee

10th February 2014, 10:49

The whole chicken strips thing is a just a big wank anyway, anyone who judges another rider on that is a cock

Oooooh, I see what you did there... :nya:

JamesTrick

10th February 2014, 20:37

I've only really scraped my pegs on one corner, where the road made the ground clearance relatively low compared to a flat road.

However, I've really been focusing on my slow riding skills and now often scrape the pegs doing slow stuff. Although it's not exactly like high speed pegging, it's gives you a general feeling. Most of all, it teaches you how to lean your bike, and how far you can lean it.

rustyblade

14th April 2014, 15:49

;)

On proper manly sportbikes pegs only scrape when I am about to get my spine and head down, then up, then down again

Yup!
hopefully my blade counts as a manly bike...

Takes a bit of effort to get my pegs to touch, they're pretty high up. not really sensible on the rocky roads out west.
got some sparks on the Brynderwyn twisties though :D

nzspokes

14th April 2014, 17:34

Just buy a GSXR600. :shifty:

Go on......

newbie2012

29th May 2014, 21:01

nzspokes

29th May 2014, 21:19

GSXR600 ? Rob, stop the torments, you know that would be my dream bike ...but .... I'll just got for a unrestricted version of what I've got in September. I mean it keep my excuse for continuing to ride like a pussy next season as well :-) It was great to finally scrape the pegs, albeit slightly unnerving, but the stiffened up rear suspension has made a difference on the road as well. Those ART days are brilliant, as are Mike's, Dean's and Greg's instruction.

Well have a chat to Robert Taylor and get the right springs for it then. That way you can transfer them on to your new bike. Ive just fitted an Ohlins to the back and its transformed it. Also working on more power.......

Soooo, you going group 2 next ART day? Ive been told Im not allowed in 1 again.

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 08:56

Fuck A Harley going around a corner :girlfight:

This is where an comma can be the difference between a bait and an unpleasant day.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 09:01

The Hayabusa uses to get mirror down before peg down. The DR I had the pegs down on at least 2 times, both desperate and successful attempts to save a SMIDSY mid corner. The ninja was a winner for feeling when she was getting too much lean on. Until I wore down the feelers so much the mufflers dragged. The Yamaha the left side the centre stand stuck first. The right the muffler.
The current Honda I have never had to lean that far. She turns to quick and easy.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 09:04

In my experience as has been alluded to by others a light touchdown is just a gentle reminder you can't cheat physics. A heavy touchdown can be the beginning of a very bad couple of seconds. Depends on your reaction to the event and the 2-3 seconds leading up to it.

Learning how Moto physics apply to you an your ride can make a huge difference.

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Big Dog

30th May 2014, 09:13

The whole chicken strips thing is a just a big wank anyway, anyone who judges another rider on that is a cock

All a matter of degrees if you excuse the pun. I have used them as a bit of a guideline for myself and mentoring those who have sought my help. As a general rule if you are using less than half the available tread you are not cornering efficiently on a two wheeler.

Also as a guideline for choosing. Next tyre. No strips equals need to get a tyre profile that turns sharper.

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ducatilover

30th May 2014, 14:49

The current Honda I have never had to lean that far. She turns to quick and easy.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

A CB1300, the universal benchmark for the term "really quite heavy"?

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 14:54

Dunno about that. I've ridden heavier 250s. Mind you at 6'4" and 140 kegs it seems just right. Where even the busa felt a bit small sometimes.

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ducatilover

30th May 2014, 15:30

Dunno about that. I've ridden heavier 250s. Mind you at 6'4" and 140 kegs it seems just right. Where even the busa felt a bit small sometimes.

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:bleh: I cannot think of a 250 that's heavier than that. The early CB13 was, what, 235kg dry?
Good lord, you're a giant :apumpin:
I expect one of them big fuckers would fit you like a glove? I rode the older CB1000 and it was... big... and turned about as well as a pyramid (still a nice bike)

Crasherfromwayback

30th May 2014, 15:49

Dunno about that. I've ridden heavier 250s. e.

You'll be doing well to find a 250 that weights more than a CB1300.

Maha

30th May 2014, 16:38

I scraped my pegs once, I had to really, to clean off the grass/mud after I dropped it.

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 19:31

:bleh: I cannot think of a 250 that's heavier than that. The early CB13 was, what, 235kg dry?
Good lord, you're a giant :apumpin:
I expect one of them big fuckers would fit you like a glove? I rode the older CB1000 and it was... big... and turned about as well as a pyramid (still a nice bike)

El250 Kawasaki eliminator I test rode for a mate was heavier and turned slower. After 9 years of partnership I could turn the Hayabusa in the width of two regulation car parks. At 3 months it still takes me 3 car parks on the cb1300 but it takes time and practice to get tighter turns. Alloy engine helps cut weight. Good weight distribution makes bikes seem lighter. As does large under seat compartment help with the illusion.

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Big Dog

30th May 2014, 19:38

You'll be doing well to find a 250 that weights more than a CB1300.

There is curb weight and there is "pushing the bitch" weight. Xs250 was a damn sight heavier to push.

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Drew

30th May 2014, 19:46

Excellent, it is official. I'm a pussy on KB:2thumbsup, at least my street cred can only go up. I hope.

When you are putting your weight on the inside peg (with our weight over the inside of the corner if you are trying to get your knee down) and the peg hits, does the weight keep your foot on the peg or is it a real 'oh shit' moment ?

I'm late to the thread, but you shouldn't be loading the inside peg. Outside peg, inside bar. Stability comes from this.

Hang your inside foot off ala Rossi coming at a turn. Really highlights it...but people will say you look like a knob.

Drew

30th May 2014, 19:52

There is curb weight and there is "pushing the bitch" weight. Xs250 was a damn sight heavier to push.

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You're talking shit. You "push" anything and it can be fucken hard work, but a CB13 will get anyone who can ride sweating before an XS250.

ducatilover

30th May 2014, 19:52

El250 Kawasaki eliminator I test rode for a mate was heavier and turned slower. After 9 years of partnership I could turn the Hayabusa in the width of two regulation car parks. At 3 months it still takes me 3 car parks on the cb1300 but it takes time and practice to get tighter turns. Alloy engine helps cut weight. Good weight distribution makes bikes seem lighter. As does large under seat compartment help with the illusion.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Err, the CB weighs over 270kg wet and an EL250 is quite literally 100kg less.
So it rides nicer?

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 21:28

Err, the CB weighs over 270kg wet and an EL250 is quite literally 100kg less.
So it rides nicer?

Easier to manoeuvre, easier to park, easier to push.
And to bring it back on topic you can lean it a lot further without touching down.

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Crasherfromwayback

30th May 2014, 22:54

There is curb weight and there is "pushing the bitch" weight. Xs250 was a damn sight heavier to push.

.

Prob had two flat tyres mate!

Big Dog

30th May 2014, 23:01

Prob had two flat tyres mate!

Nah, top heavy as all buggery. Nearly overbalanced her so many times. Cb is quite neutral.

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thepom

16th July 2014, 22:20

On the old blackbird the "feeler" would snap off first, then the side fairing would scrape then the exhaust collector box.....it started to get expensive.....as for weight!..... riding up to nelson with workmates and a young chap on a four hundred was all over me in the twisted s the weight difference was massive...hard work swinging the bird about....I have more fun on my ktm690 in the twisted as its so light...

avgas

17th July 2014, 06:32

I found my steel-toes scraped first.

ducatilover

17th July 2014, 10:06

I found my steel-toes scraped first.

I've been having issues with my jandals touching down

Katiepie

17th July 2014, 13:29

I changed from a cruiser to a sports bike for the very reason I didn't like how it felt scraping pegs on the ground. I grew a bit of a block mid corner from it that became something I had to work very very hard to overcome. I know some people love it, and touch down is not an issue. But I couldn't get used to it so changed styles of bikes that I ride.

I have just started to scrape the pegs on the R6 now as I lowered it when I rebuilt it to get it back on the road. I removed the droppers on the pegs early on as I knew I had lost a hell of a lot of ground clearance by lowering it like I did. But I have just started scraping the pegs again without the droppers and a few times I have felt that same block that I had on the cruiser. Learning how to get used to how it feels, not to react dramatically and shifty my weight or stand the bike up when it does. All new for me but something I will just have to get used to with the bike being as low as it is.

And yes, I am well aware of how wrong some people think lowering a bike is like that. But it now fits me beautifully and having my toes on the ground when stationery has given me some of the confidence I needed to claim back. I am just cautious now of the bikes limits, and my rider limits. Not sure if I'll ever feel comfortable with scraping through. Looking forward to some more rider training soon.

awayatc

17th July 2014, 19:08

Those sparklers children use....?
Harley is like that around corners if I am keen.....
Have put front fork up an inch, and stabilize bike with bit of rearbrake....
exhaust first, then footboards fold.
yeah I know .....not a sports bike
sometimes I forget...

mossy1200

17th July 2014, 19:59

Ask a friend to see if its getting too close.

98tls

17th July 2014, 20:14

Bikes didn't always have folding pegs, you'd just lay the bike down hard on the pegs and scrape everything - we didn't look at chicken strips,

Everything was right,the old man first met John Britten at Wigram when they were both racing bevel drive 900SSs and a bit pissed off that the old fella was getting the better of him Britten introduced himself and got yapping,when he saw the state of the old boys front header pipe and if i remember right the bottom of kickstart clamp he reckoned he knew where he was going wrong:niceone:True story and by all accounts they went on to become good friends.

Ocean1

17th July 2014, 21:34

I've been having issues with my jandals touching down

Do you mind? I actually saw that about 40 years ago, picked him up from the side of a gravel road, the thong was half way up to his ankle.

Just thinking about it makes my arsehole twitch to this day.

ducatilover

17th July 2014, 22:25

Do you mind? I actually saw that about 40 years ago, picked him up from the side of a gravel road, the thong was half way up to his ankle.

Just thinking about it makes my arsehole twitch to this day.

:wacko: Sounds like child birth

awa355

2nd August 2014, 20:03

Thread might have run its course, but I just found this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6XsByRh14I

Big Dog

2nd August 2014, 20:27

Totally unnecessary. Slight touchdown. Panic run wide. To chicken to turn hoes into dirt. Panics again. Throws bike away.
Shiny leathers and bike don't even look run in.

awa355

2nd August 2014, 20:35

I agree. Almost looks like a deliberate attempt to crash.

Big Dog

2nd August 2014, 20:49

I am told many in the US think an R1 is a learner bike. Do you reckon he learned anything?

buggerit

2nd August 2014, 21:52

should buff out:lol:

Drew

3rd August 2014, 09:57

The front washed out I think you'll find, then hooked back up. Footpeg touching down was a symptom, not a cause.

benhall

3rd August 2014, 10:10

he needed the cornering bible

nodrog

3rd August 2014, 10:14

Double Tea Eff!!!???

he's just fucken scared of the noise.

Drew

3rd August 2014, 10:15

he needed the cornering bible

I have no idea what that is. He needed to do nothing different, other than look where he wanted to go.

benhall

3rd August 2014, 10:58

https://bigwetdream.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/twist-of-the-wrist-2.jpg

pictures are easier for some people

its a book/video

Ocean1

3rd August 2014, 11:11

The front washed out I think you'll find, then hooked back up. Footpeg touching down was a symptom, not a cause.

Look at his rear indicators, there's some surface corrugations there, mid corner. Look at his right hand as he reacts to that: chops the throttle. Back end reacts by stepping out a tad and he immediately sits up and heads for the shrubbery.

nodrog

3rd August 2014, 11:12

pictures are easier for some people

its a book/video

i know he was going slow, but I don't think he had time to watch that

Drew

3rd August 2014, 11:14

pictures are easier for some people

its a book/videoIt's another fucken stupid reason people think they can ride fast, with no actual idea of what the bike is doing under them.

Save your money for rising insurance premiums. Putting faith in yourself after reading that, it's the safe money.

Drew

3rd August 2014, 11:17

Look at his rear indicators, there's some surface corrugations there, mid corner. Look at his right hand as he reacts to that: chops the throttle. Back end reacts by stepping out a tad and he immediately sits up and heads for the shrubbery.

That's not what I see when I watch it. Except the indicators shacking, that's why I know the peg touching down isn't the cause.

ellipsis

3rd August 2014, 11:48

...my first big off on my T250 back when I was a mere child still haunts me in a grimacing type of way...learning curves are sometimes steep and the subsequent reactions to riding following that off were tempered by the recollection of what happened...it took me some time to realise that it wasn't really the peg digging in and me foolishly listening to older riders advice, being, 'if you drop your bike , hang onto it'...I was just going far too fast and the guy on the Norton I was chasing around the Summit Road above Chch was actually really fast...the damage to me wasn't the initial bounce on my shoulder and head when the bike came down on top of me , it was the second bounce over the 2 or 3 meter bank and the other fucking peg ending up buried in my leg...I took to doing something that my mates said was being a pussy and a soft wank, and hung my leg out...40 years down the track and since Rossi started doing it, it seems to be de rigueur...

nzspokes

3rd August 2014, 11:57

Well have a chat to Robert Taylor and get the right springs for it then. That way you can transfer them on to your new bike. Ive just fitted an Ohlins to the back and its transformed it. Also working on more power.......

Soooo, you going group 2 next ART day? Ive been told Im not allowed in 1 again.

Did you look at your springs? I would say thats one of the big reasons apart from riding style that makes you drag parts. My Hornet would drag all over the place with stock springs. I never did with the right ones in the bike. Have not on the Hawk either but again it had the right springs from the start.

Im sure the suspension tester for motorcycles weighs 50kg.

Ocean1

3rd August 2014, 13:00

That's not what I see when I watch it. Except the indicators shacking, that's why I know the peg touching down isn't the cause.

I don't think it was the peg either. I didn't see the front do anything unusual, but I did see that throttle hand come up immediately before the rear let go. You don't get away with doing that at full lean too many times without some entertainment.

Drew

3rd August 2014, 13:09

Watched it again. Yip. Rear slips and he spazes out.

benhall

3rd August 2014, 21:39

ellipsis

3rd August 2014, 22:00

because you've been riding for a long time?

...five minutes experience usually gives you more ammo than you can use round here, benhall...

Drew

4th August 2014, 05:28

@drew: I did something similar the other day, just not relaxed and confident to go around the corner, didnt dump the bike ran wide and pulled to an awkward stop on the dirt, i had taken corners much faster of similar style earlier in the ride fine, to me something like that video is very helpful, of course it doesn't make me think i can ride like a mad cunt, just may be obvious to you because you've been riding for a long time?Knowing what not to do, is a much longer list than knowing what to do.

Getting the shits up you from a moment is common in most of us. It's getting around the bend and then dealing with it, that experience teaches.

Just keep looking where ya want to go. You'll almost always get there.