This sh**t makes me sick

[Monkfish]

Really???? one year!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9662798/Baby-abuser-let-out-of-jail

Why did they even bother? one year for fracturing both arms and legs on a baby?

For fucks sake what is the NZ justice system up to?

[tigertim20]

I usually just get angry at stuff like this, but, jesus christ.
I don't even know what to say to that. incredibly lenient, especially as this sounds like there wasn't just one, out of character incident, influenced by other factors, sounds like sever abuse was ongoing to the poor child.

disgisting

[Banditbandit]

If he has learnt then maybe OK .. but it sends a really bad message to other abusers ... you only get a year in jail ...

[jasonu]

Fuck him. He did it multiple times. 2 1/2 years for each separate offense sounds more appropriate.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I wonder what you would have to do to get put on a high intensity remediation programme?

[mashman]

I wonder what you would have to do to get put on a high intensity remediation programme?

Attack a member who has a prominent standing in the community most likely. Or fiddle the dole.

Give him his second chance, but if he commits any other form of assault, put a bullet in his head.

[Akzle]

what are you complaining about?? Nz is 'the least corrupt' and a'democracy' and stuff. The system is good.
Love the system. You voted for it!

[oldrider]

This is just shit and to top it off he gets some skills and education to help him back out in society ... non offenders have to take out a student loan FFS!

Crime pays in New Zealand ... YES! ... Justice my arse! :angry2:

[oldrider]

what are you complaining about?? Nz is 'the least corrupt' and a'democracy' and stuff. The system is good.
Love the system. You voted for it!

Straight left, right cross, left rip, right hook left hook ... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. :headbang: your out! .... rest a while Akzle. :lol:

[unstuck]

I wonder what you would have to do to get put on a high intensity remediation programme?

Grow a couple of dope plants. :yes:

That dude is lucky he had no weed on his property or person, he may of gotten 20 yrs.:yes:

[scumdog]

what are you complaining about?? Nz is 'the least corrupt' and a'democracy' and stuff. The system is good.
Love the system. You voted for it!

And so did you.






By not voting.

[Big Dave]

Shirt?

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[Akzle]

Grow a couple of dope plants. :yes:

That dude is lucky he had no weed on his property or person, he may of gotten 20 yrs.:yes:

HAVE!!! FUCK YOU!!
this is not in caps.

[Akzle]

And so did you.






By not voting.

nope. not at all.

[Akzle]

what are you complaining about?? Nz is 'the least corrupt' and a'democracy' and stuff. The system is good.
Love the system. You voted for it!

[caseye]

The poor wee mite is just 2 1/2 yrs old and has already suffered terrible violence from her father, violence that was severe and that broke bones in a child that is usually very supple in order to avoid accidental breakage.
Acts of violence that did not occur at once but over a period of time.
Read the article, new breaks and old ones!
A slow bullet through every joint in his body, for starters.
I'm past caring how well rehabilitated these sorts might appear to be.
Simply "get rid of them" for good
We need to be looking after that little girl and making her life a happy and proactive one,no time for keeping this sort of animal alive as well.

[Ocean1]

Well there you go:

"He has learned from the [medium intensity rehabilitation programme]. In particular, he knows that in the future he needs to communicate more assertively.

He wasn't assertive. But it's sorted, now innit?

[haydes55]

But labour wants to pay this man a couple of point bags every week for taking care of the kid.... Stop making parenting a career choice for lower socio-economic people on benefits and you'll stop some abuse.

Finland give new parents everything they need to care for new born babies (crib, clothes, blankets etc.) instead of any cash bonus..... They have an extremely low infant mortality rate.... Correlation? Stop giving scum money to beat up innocent kids. Maybe they will use contraception if it will save them drug/alcohol money.

[Rhys]

Capital punishment stops recidivism

[Mo NZ]

Capital punishment stops recidivism

because they are permanently rehabilitated

[Tigadee]

Stop having kids.

Fixed that...


Maybe they will use contraception if it will save them drug/alcohol money.

Snip! Snip!

[TheDemonLord]

This doesn't make me Sick

Now before you start jumping and calling me a heartless bastard, think on this:

This isn't the first time something like this has happened, nor the second.

We as a country have had ample oppertunity to address our abyssmal child abuse record, but we don't.

Until we actually DO something about, shit like this will continue and whilst it is easy to blame the actual perpetrator of the attack, we as a society must shoulder some of the blame for standing by and doing nothing.

And we will keep burying our children, and treating them in the A&E and giving the sub-human PoS that carry out these acts slaps on the wrist until then.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Straight left, right cross, left rip, right hook left hook ... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. :headbang: your out! .... rest a while Akzle. :lol:

its hard to come back with the right hook after the left rip. You're right in close and kind of skewed around having slipped their right cross. Possibly better to go for the right rip or upper or low right hook then the left hook then nail them with the right cross.

Dunno: I'll practice it tonight.

[Banditbandit]

This is just shit and to top it off he gets some skills and education to help him back out in society ... non offenders have to take out a student loan FFS!

Crime pays in New Zealand ... YES! ... Justice my arse! :angry2:


It costs $80,000 per year to keep a person in prison .if we lock him up for 5 years that's $400,000 gone - and with no rehab the chances he will reoffend are high ... and cost us even more

Giving him an education reduces the chances of him reoffending - and means saving money in the long term ... and creates a taxpayer so on that front we all win ...

Now, on a different front - the little girl has not had a win ... so what are we doing about that ??

[Rhys]

It costs $80,000 per year to keep a person in prison .if we lock him up for 5 years that's $400,000 gone - and with no rehab the chances he will reoffend are high ... and cost us even more

Giving him an education reduces the chances of him reoffending - and means saving money in the long term ... and creates a taxpayer so on that front we all win ...

Now, on a different front - the little girl has not had a win ... so what are we doing about that ??

Winchester Super X 308 Win 150gr $2.05 ea.

Seams like a bargain to me.

[Katman]

This is just shit and to top it off he gets some skills and education to help him back out in society...

What would you prefer?

That he gets placed back in society no more educated than when he went in? (And therefore, far more likely to find himself back inside).

[SMOKEU]

Stop making parenting a career choice for lower socio-economic people on benefits and you'll stop some abuse.

That's the best post in this thread.


It costs $80,000 per year to keep a person in prison .if we lock him up for 5 years that's $400,000 gone - and with no rehab the chances he will reoffend are high ... and cost us even more


Imprisonment doesn't need to cost that much. I'm sure the prisons in Somalia or South Africa don't cost that much to run. Run them more efficiently, and you can reduce the costs by 75%.


Winchester Super X 308 Win 150gr $2.05 ea.

Seams like a bargain to me.

Exactly.

[Mo NZ]

Winchester Super X 308 Win 150gr $2.05 ea.

Seams like a bargain to me.

Im up to sponsor a few boxes.
Although a machete would do the job and its only a 1 off cost.

[Smifffy]

Im up to sponsor a few boxes.
Although a machete would do the job and its only a 1 off cost.

You'd also need to buy an autoclave to be sure to prevent infections from re-use. ;)

[SMOKEU]

Although a machete would do the job and its only a 1 off cost.

Just like the spics, Africans, and snackbarists do.

[_Shrek_]

Until we actually DO something about, shit like this will continue and whilst it is easy to blame the actual perpetrator of the attack, we as a society must shoulder some of the blame for standing by and doing nothing.

you have no idea what ya talk'n about kid, & there's no way I'm going to shoulder the blame for this sad arse....

when you have certain departments that stick their nose in where they shouldn't, & then have to stand by & do nothing, & if you do, do some thing!!! you get canned they get to walk

[300weatherby]

Winchester Super X 308 Win 150gr $2.05 ea.

Seams like a bargain to me.

Nope, as a handloader I would perfer to tailor the round, 110 Vmax (.308), and put it in his thigh, video for the world to see as he bleeds out through a mangled stump, that folks, would be rehabilitation at a cost of around a dollar a round.

[TheDemonLord]

you have no idea what ya talk'n about kid, & there's no way I'm going to shoulder the blame for this sad arse....

when you have certain departments that stick their nose in where they shouldn't, & then have to stand by & do nothing, & if you do, do some thing!!! you get canned they get to walk

Actually I do know what I am talking about,This keeps happening and sure we as a nation will be offended for 5 minutes, but we fail to turn our Anger into Action.

and by Consistently failing to do something to improve the situation, we are culpable.

A very dear friend of mine happens to work in the NZ justice System, in an area that happens to deal a lot with these type of cases (no details, to uphold their anonymity)

The so-called Anti-Smacking Bill has been a help in being able to convict people of Child Abuse, but the Law as it stands is insufficient, the Departments that are meant to help with at risk families are under staffed, under resourced, over worked and have a mountain of Archaic Bureaucracy and out-dated Law in their way.

The rights of Victims can be printed on a single pamphlet, versus the books that deal with prisoner rights.

The whole issue of Child abuse in NZ is a joke, with Dead children the un-funny punch line.

[_Shrek_]

when you have certain departments that stick their nose in where they shouldn't, & then have to stand by & do nothing, & if you do, do some thing!!! you get canned they get to walk

take a look at what I said :motu:


Actually I do know what I am talking about, This keeps happening and sure we as a nation will be offended for 5 minutes, but we fail to turn our Anger into Action.

and by Consistently failing to do something to improve the situation, we are culpable.

A very dear friend of mine happens to work in the NZ justice System, in an area that happens to deal a lot with these type of cases (no details, to uphold their anonymity)

The so-called Anti-Smacking Bill has been a help in being able to convict people of Child Abuse, but the Law as it stands is insufficient, the Departments that are meant to help with at risk families are under staffed, under resourced, over worked and have a mountain of Archaic Bureaucracy and out-dated Law in their way.

The rights of Victims can be printed on a single pamphlet, versus the books that deal with prisoner rights.

The whole issue of Child abuse in NZ is a joke, with Dead children the un-funny punch line.

the anti smacking bill is an absolute joke & has not made a difference to child abuse, it's just stopped a lot of parents from disciplining their kids
I don't disagree with the law being a joke where these dead heads are concerned, but don't tell me I'm to blame or should shoulder any sort of responsibility for theses' losers we all have choice's
as for the rest of the shit you've mentioned above.... you watch to much tv & believe every thing you hear....

[haydes55]

Actually I do know what I am talking about,This keeps happening and sure we as a nation will be offended for 5 minutes, but we fail to turn our Anger into Action.



and by Consistently failing to do something to improve the situation, we are culpable.



A very dear friend of mine happens to work in the NZ justice System, in an area that happens to deal a lot with these type of cases (no details, to uphold their anonymity)



The so-called Anti-Smacking Bill has been a help in being able to convict people of Child Abuse, but the Law as it stands is insufficient, the Departments that are meant to help with at risk families are under staffed, under resourced, over worked and have a mountain of Archaic Bureaucracy and out-dated Law in their way.



The rights of Victims can be printed on a single pamphlet, versus the books that deal with prisoner rights.



The whole issue of Child abuse in NZ is a joke, with Dead children the un-funny punch line.





If you believe we aren't acting and can make a difference, why aren't you making the change you think we are all guilty of ignoring?

I'd happily step in to stop abuse or dob in any abuser if I knew. Apart from that I refuse to vote labour. What more can I do to stop abuse? Go vigilante through a poor neighbourhood? Blow up a prison wing? Start a Facebook page?

[_Shrek_]

I refuse to vote labour. Go vigilante through the neighbourhood?

I like these two :yes: ..... had to change it a bit coz it's not just in the poor area's

[TheDemonLord]

the anti smacking bill is an absolute joke & has not made a difference to child abuse, it's just stopped a lot of parents from disciplining their kids

Nope - it has made possible convictions of people who would previously have gotten off under the previous Law. Again - This is information from someone who is directly involved in this area. As of yet, there has not been a case made against a parent who was legitimately disciplining their child.


If you believe we aren't acting and can make a difference, why aren't you making the change you think we are all guilty of ignoring?

I'd happily step in to stop abuse or dob in any abuser if I knew. Apart from that I refuse to vote labour. What more can I do to stop abuse? Go vigilante through a poor neighbourhood? Blow up a prison wing? Start a Facebook page?

For the Same reasons you stated - I would happily get behind a movement, yet one never happens and I neither have the Social, Financial or Political clout to make one happen myself.

[SMOKEU]

Go vigilante through a poor neighbourhood?

This. :clap:

[Monkfish]

It is the Archaic Bureaucracy that holds us back.

If we could streamline the process, wouldn't we be better off?

I vote for a Judge Dread :ar15: justice system..

[TheDemonLord]

It is the Archaic Bureaucracy that holds us back.

If we could streamline the process, wouldn't we be better off?

I vote for a Judge Dread :ar15: justice system..

I'm all for Karl Urban shooting Child Abusers in the face in slow motion