Should I piss him off?

[placidfemme]

My boss at work has asked me to do something (work related) that isn't in my job description, he's asked me to do it in the past, and it's a task that will take up to 3 or 4 hours, using meths to wipe clean and redesign the layout of a huge white board that our telemarketing department use to keep targets and agent totals, the board is high up and causes me to get a sore neck and back from the angle I have to stand to clean it, and the meths gives me migranes... (and he knows this)

And on top of that, Tuesday's are one of the busiest days of the week, and I'm looking to be here for at least 11 hours today, just with my normal workload alone...

So I have two options... Don't do it and get in shit or do it and get in shit, as it will delay all my reports and normal work until after noon, he doesn't want me doing it later in the afternoon as the telemarketing team will be here and will need the board...

This is a huge pain in the arse and I know he's gonna throw a mean tantrum either way...

What do you think? Do it and end up leaving at 3pm because my head hurts (resulting in me having to leave my bike at work because I won't be able to ride it if I get a migrane (sp) again) or don't do it and deal with his shitty immature homo attitude all week?

[James Deuce]

At some point there comes a time in this type of negative employer relationship where you need to stand up and....... go get another job.

I put up with the same type of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" work environment for 4 years at my previous job and it did me no good at all. I am a different person now. My current employer is good, what they want from me is clearly defined, and if I say no to something there is no resulting tantrum. At worst I'll get asked to help organise an alternative.

I'm deadly serious. You are being bullied. Go get another job. Make a real effort to get one too, not just the odd job interview once a month, but actually go home, sit down with your partner and attack online vacancies and the newspaper with the same fervour I know you apply to your work.

[ajturbo]

ask him.. why the F%%%K doesn't he do it!!!

if he throws a mental... look at him and laugh!!...
you are there because you want to be... not because he wants you!!! (i suppose that is right..)

why don't the telly markers clean their own mess??

take the lid off the meths... throw up on the floor..(go on you can make yourself sick).. walk out leaving the mess, saying that the meths made you do it ....then see if you get asked to do it again..

pesonaly if i am asked to do something outside the cantract that would make me ill.. i would say sorry but i will not be doing that...

go to his boss and tell them the problem... if there is no one higher, go to one of those lawyers that deal with employment issuses

good luck

tell him to get F##Ked

[Lou Girardin]

Do some of it and go home sick before the migraine hits. Remind him before you start that the fumes will give you a migraine as well.

[duckman]

You've got alot of work to do girl !!! What are doign posting on KB?? (PT) :motu:

[placidfemme]

Do some of it and go home sick before the migraine hits. Remind him before you start that the fumes will give you a migraine as well.

Thanks all...

He's a twat, I've been working with him for nearly 3 years now, and he's an arrogant self centred twat at the best of times. Not to mention a P head. He shows up late everyday, leaves early, takes 2 hour lunch breaks, give all his work to me to do and gets all the credit and the nice big pay check.

We had a fight about this yesterday... and I thought we had it resolved until I came in this morning and there was a note on my desk "don't forget to do the board BEFORE the TM's start" grrrr

*is thinking about taking my time on the board, and then... oh I feel it coming on now... my head hurts... oh no... I might have to leave early*

As for the new job thing... I only have Admin experience, and only at this company... and given that I work 50-60+ hours a week (did over 60 hours last week), I'd need a job with a high pay rate on 40 hours a week, or a medium payrate for 50 hours a week... not the easiest type of hours to look for...

*has been looking activley for about 3 weeks now*

[MSTRS]

If this 'clean & redesign' thing is not part of your normal job & it is not covered by some provision in your written contract (I assume you have one) then you are not obliged to do it. Some people desperately deserve to have their expectations brought back to earth with a crash. Refuse to do this task & take the employer to Employment Court if it turns nasty. That is what the Court is for. And then get another job. There are plenty out there and you are the only one setting a limit on yourself in that respect.

[Sparky Bills]

Just say no.
If its not in the description he cant fire you. (would be bloody stupid if he trys)
Hey.. and if they do fire ya, you could take them to school and get thousands!! :Punk:
Just be straight up..
Its not your job, Your too busy, and it doesnt do you any good.

[enigma51]

I take it he is not the main peanut in the packet ie there is someone more senior cause if that is the case I will go and have a word with his boss but get your story straight and on paper so that when you do speak to his boss it does not look like you are just sucking things out of your thumb but that you have put carefull thought into it.

If its not the case you can also go to him and say I have to do this this and this which one of these is more important and follow his priorities but come home time you are out of there. Its going to be hard but like someone has said they need you as much as you need them. Its called give and take and you are just giving at the moment.

[scumdog]

Contact OSH re the meths usage, - also do you just stand on the floor cleaning the board or do you have to climb up on something?

[placidfemme]

My contract sucks... In my job decription they have a "all work that helps with the flow of the department" part, and anything that I don't want to do, under my bosses eyes falls under that catagory and he says thats why I have to do them... which is bullshit...

He's the marketing manager, and his boss is the marketing director... I've gone over his head before, and then he treats me like shit for a week or so and makes my life hell...

Because he is in late everyday (meant to start at 9 and shows up after 10.30 everyday). I'll talk to the Marketing Director before he gets in... good idea about writting it down... then it won't look like I'm just bitching and moaning... and the thing that pisses me off, is that we have 3 Team Leaders and 5 team captains... it's their board they should do it... but my boss doesn't want them away from thier teams...

*is in a bad mood now*

the weather out is perfect... *wants to go for a ride... which reminds me I need to order my new chain and sprockets...*

[placidfemme]

Contact OSH re the meths usage, - also do you just stand on the floor cleaning the board or do you have to climb up on something?

I need to stand on a chair and lean over the stereo (sp), because they don't want me moving the stereo because then they'll have no music to listen to while they sit in thier offices and do sweet fuck all

[MSTRS]

I need to stand on a chair and lean over the stereo (sp), because they don't want me moving the stereo because then they'll have no music to listen to while they sit in thier offices and do sweet fuck all
'ken hell. You've stayed there 3 years? Get out while there's some of you left.

[Sparky Bills]

I need to stand on a chair and lean over the stereo (sp), because they don't want me moving the stereo because then they'll have no music to listen to while they sit in thier offices and do sweet fuck all


GEEZZ!!!! Id be kicking some ass if i was you!
YOU DONT NEED TO TAKE THAT SHIT!!!!!!

[Motu]

My guys have no contract,I'm not into that bullshit - if they come back to me with that sorta crap I tell them they have a choice...do the job I gave them or pack up and go home.''Oh,my head hurts'' For fucks sake girl,you get ahead in life by getting ahead in life.

[muzz]

Sounds like it's time for a job change, your not happy there. So i say tell him the meths will give you a headache if he says do it knock off early and go for a ride to clear your head. fuck it it's a beautiful day go enjoy it.

[ManDownUnder]

Prepare a list of things that need doing, and explain that his priority issue conflicts with those of others in charge of you, and you need them to sort out what the top priority actually is.

At the point your path is clear - and you should do as you have been instructed (and the important part is that THEY get to do the arguing...)

Beyond that, if you get headaches etc doing the job, you're clearly underequipped. Ring OSH or Protector Safety and ask them for the price on equipment needed to filter out meths fumes because of the effects it has on you.

Oh - and take tomorrow off. If you get sick - you need to recouperate!
MDU

[Wolf]

Placidfemme, you are worth too much to endure that sort of shit. While I don't suggest doing what I did (I just handed in my notice with no job to go to, just the trust in myself and my deities that I would be all right) I do endorse the idea of stepping up your job-seeking (does Sam work? If she does you may well be limited in scope; if not, perhaps a relocation to another town would improve your chances of finding work) and I do endorse the "take no shit" attitude. I used to put up with a lot of crap until my self worth finally asserted itself and I quit that job. In my current job I will not stand for the sort of crap you are experiencing.

If you go over his head and he gives you Hell for the next week, document everything and hand it straight back up to his superior. It sounds like you are heading towards a point where mediation or Employment Tribunal action may be called for - do not fool yourself, what is happening is serious: you are being bullied and coerced and he is using bullying tactics to attempt to dissuade you to stand up for yourself (giving you grief for a week for going over his head is "controlling behaviour") he is clearly breaking Labour laws by failing to take yor health and safety into account (the problems you have reaching the board, and the issues you have with the meths fumes) and using the aforementioned bullying.

Tell him firmly but politely "No", stating your reasons - not in your JD, injurous to your health etc and if he throws a tantrum, write out a full incident report covering what he has asked you to do, your grounds for refusal and his subsequent attempts to intimidate you into submission and send the written report to his boss. Then it becomes official. They will have to take action. He will then probably give you more shit. Stay firm, write it down and give the reports to his boss.

Look after yourself, you're the only "you" you've got. Remember, you're worth too much to put up with abuse.

[enigma51]

Prepare a list of things that need doing, and explain that his priority issue conflicts with those of others in charge of you, and you need them to sort out what the top priority actually is.

At the point your path is clear - and you should do as you have been instructed (and the important part is that THEY get to do the arguing...)

Beyond that, if you get headaches etc doing the job, you're clearly underequipped. Ring OSH or Protector Safety and ask them for the price on equipment needed to filter out meths fumes because of the effects it has on you.

Oh - and take tomorrow off. If you get sick - you need to recouperate!
MDU


I hear a ride coming up tommorow

[enigma51]

Placidfemme, you are worth too much to endure that sort of shit. While I don't suggest doing what I did (I just handed in my notice with no job to go to, just the trust in myself and my deities that I would be all right) I do endorse the idea of stepping up your job-seeking (does Sam work? If she does you may well be limited in scope; if not, perhaps a relocation to another town would improve your chances of finding work) and I do endorse the "take no shit" attitude. I used to put up with a lot of crap until my self worth finally asserted itself and I quit that job. In my current job I will not stand for the sort of crap you are experiencing.

If you go over his head and he gives you Hell for the next week, document everything and hand it straight back up to his superior. It sounds like you are heading towards a point where mediation or Employment Tribunal action may be called for - do not fool yourself, what is happening is serious: you are being bullied and coerced and he is using bullying tactics to attempt to dissuade you to stand up for yourself (giving you grief for a week for going over his head is "controlling behaviour") he is clearly breaking Labour laws by failing to take yor health and safety into account (the problems you have reaching the board, and the issues you have with the meths fumes) and using the aforementioned bullying.

Tell him firmly but politely "No", stating your reasons - not in your JD, injurous to your health etc and if he throws a tantrum, write out a full incident report covering what he has asked you to do, your grounds for refusal and his subsequent attempts to intimidate you into submission and send the written report to his boss. Then it becomes official. They will have to take action. He will then probably give you more shit. Stay firm, write it down and give the reports to his boss.

Look after yourself, you're the only "you" you've got. Remember, you're worth too much to put up with abuse.


I have to say the man is correct and its important that you start keeping a record of everthing from now until you leave!

[crashe]

Standing on a chair and leaning over a sterio.... cos they want sound...
Fark it turn the sterio off and move the farkin thing..
If they bitch and moan about no spounds... say well shall I bring in OSH about unsafe work environment... re standing on a chair and leaning over as I can can slip and fall.

If you make a mess of the job.... hehehehe then they sure as hell wont ask you to do it again. So dont do a good job..... really stuff it up.

Migraine's... tell him in front of everyone else what the smell of meths does to you. Then after one hour have the migraine come on.... and make a fuss about your headache.... and they will have to send you home. Oh and with the migraine make yourself upchuck in front of them all.

Your boss is a lazy prick....
Keep a written record of what he says to you and note down the times etc.

Mate go get another job..

[placidfemme]

Placidfemme, you are worth too much to endure that sort of shit. While I don't suggest doing what I did (I just handed in my notice with no job to go to, just the trust in myself and my deities that I would be all right) I do endorse the idea of stepping up your job-seeking (does Sam work? If she does you may well be limited in scope; if not, perhaps a relocation to another town would improve your chances of finding work) and I do endorse the "take no shit" attitude. I used to put up with a lot of crap until my self worth finally asserted itself and I quit that job. In my current job I will not stand for the sort of crap you are experiencing.

If you go over his head and he gives you Hell for the next week, document everything and hand it straight back up to his superior. It sounds like you are heading towards a point where mediation or Employment Tribunal action may be called for - do not fool yourself, what is happening is serious: you are being bullied and coerced and he is using bullying tactics to attempt to dissuade you to stand up for yourself (giving you grief for a week for going over his head is "controlling behaviour") he is clearly breaking Labour laws by failing to take yor health and safety into account (the problems you have reaching the board, and the issues you have with the meths fumes) and using the aforementioned bullying.

Tell him firmly but politely "No", stating your reasons - not in your JD, injurous to your health etc and if he throws a tantrum, write out a full incident report covering what he has asked you to do, your grounds for refusal and his subsequent attempts to intimidate you into submission and send the written report to his boss. Then it becomes official. They will have to take action. He will then probably give you more shit. Stay firm, write it down and give the reports to his boss.

Look after yourself, you're the only "you" you've got. Remember, you're worth too much to put up with abuse.

Thanks

*starts writting that now* Usually work isn't this bad... As mentioned I've been here 3 years or so, and whole time this one guy has been my boss, he has always used the bully tatic, not just with me, to get his way... most times I give him shit back and stand my ground... but the last 3 weeks at work have been crazy as hell, we're expanding to 5 new small citys/towns in NZ, plus Aussie and the UK. We've increased the staff in our department alone by 25 newbies... with the extra workloads and extra hours and so much agro and stress at work I've had it up to my eye balls...

*would love to miss work tomorrow... but then I'd just have double the work to do the next day... so I'd only be screwing myself...

To answer a question, yes Sam does work, but her pay alone wouldn't be able to support us... so I'd have to make sure I have a job to go to before I leave this one...

[Wolf]

Addendum: re your thread title:

"Should I piss him off?"

It is his choice whether or not he gets pissed off and his choice how to conduct himself if he feels pissed off.

Do not take on the blame for his choices. If I ask you to do something and you exercise your right to refuse on whatever grounds, how I feel about it is entirely my own responsibility, not yours. If I choose to get shitty and treat you like crap, that is my own crappy, immature nature and has nothing to do with you.

Likewise, his choice to get "pissed off" and act like a total wanker is not your fault. You are allowed to make decisions concerning your life, health etc.

You don't "piss him off". You do what you feel is appropriate, that is all. All subsequent feelings and actions on his part are his own concern. (You are allowed to choose to feel angry if his actions are abusive or an attempt to control you and the choice is yours whether to endure it or tell him to fuck himself or report his abuse to his boss.)

Mate, it's bad enough him trying to blame you for the way he feels without you taking it on board and blaming yourself.

[Wolf]

To answer a question, yes Sam does work, but her pay alone wouldn't be able to support us... so I'd have to make sure I have a job to go to before I leave this one...
And find one close enough to where Sam works, worse luck. Unless you both look for work elsewhere.

[placidfemme]

Standing on a chair and leaning over a sterio.... cos they want sound...
Fark it turn the sterio off and move the farkin thing..
If they bitch and moan about no spounds... say well shall I bring in OSH about unsafe work environment... re standing on a chair and leaning over as I can can slip and fall.

If you make a mess of the job.... hehehehe then they sure as hell wont ask you to do it again. So dont do a good job..... really stuff it up.

Migraine's... tell him in front of everyone else what the smell of meths does to you. Then after one hour have the migraine come on.... and make a fuss about your headache.... and they will have to send you home. Oh and with the migraine make yourself upchuck in front of them all.

Your boss is a lazy prick....
Keep a written record of what he says to you and note down the times etc.

Mate go get another job..

With the migrane thing... just to let you know how this guy works...

Last time I did the boards I got a headache... and thought "ok not too bad..." and those of you who get migranes will know... you can tell the difference between a headache... and a headache that is turning into a migrane... you can feel it coming on. And after a while my headache started turning into a migrane and I went and asked him if I could leave before it turned into a migrane otherwise I'd have to taxi home because I won't even be able to walk to the bus stop, let alone ride my bike... and he said "don't try to get out of work just because you have a hangover". And you can all ask crashe how much I drink... 1 beer lasts me ALL night, and I don't even finish it.

When the headache had almost turned into a migrane I went to him again, and said I wasn't bullshitting, I wasn't hung over, I felt sick and was in a LOT of pain... almost in tears... and he said "don't lie, your not going home". I called up HR and told him what was happening and asked what would happen if I just got up and left... he said "thats abandament (sp) of job", however, HR did come up and seeing me almost in tears, totally pale and almost unable to stand up... said I could leave... and yes my boss gave me shit for over a week for going over his head to HR... that was last year some time, and he still throws it in my face now and then...

[placidfemme]

And find one close enough to where Sam works, worse luck. Unless you both look for work elsewhere.

Sam doesn't work at the same company I work at... her job is cruisy :) She works with leather... not that type of leather though :nono: lol

~~

Right now I'm just doing my normal work, I'll deal with my boss when he gets in... thanks for all the advice and comments

[crashe]

Go and get another job....

Yeah her beer went warm... after holding it all night..

[zadok]

Tell him politely that you won't do it because of the risk to your health. On top of that there is the OHS issue, standing on a chair. And as Wolf said; if he gets p*ss*d off, that is his problem.

[placidfemme]

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

[placidfemme]

Go and get another job....

Yeah her beer went warm... after holding it all night..

lol you think my beer was warm... the two other beers I had in my pockets for Sam were hot lol... she ended up giving them to some random before we left

[ManDownUnder]

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

Good luck and good on ya for standing up for yourself. As has been mentioned, now would be a good time to look for other work if this issue is serious enough, and if not... no worries.

All you did was reverify your priorities and spell out some concerns you have with the job at hand.

Would your boss prefer you to go through your day without thinking?

All good, and no - not your problem.
MDU

[enigma51]

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

Good on you

[Lou Girardin]

Taking sick leave is NOT abandonment of employment.
Standing on a chair is NOT a safe work practice.
Working for wankers is NOT good for your mental health.

[Wolf]

and he said "don't try to get out of work just because you have a hangover". ...
and he said "don't lie, your not going home". I called up HR and told him what was happening and asked what would happen if I just got up and left... he said "thats abandament (sp) of job", however, HR did come up and seeing me almost in tears, totally pale and almost unable to stand up... said I could leave... and yes my boss gave me shit for over a week for going over his head to HR... that was last year some time, and he still throws it in my face now and then...
Unwarranted accusations are clear cut grounds for a Personal Grievance - lodged through your HR. He has no right to make such accusations, especially not when attempting to shift the blame from the solvents he expected you to use. Likewise, his "punishment" routine and the way he keeps bringing it up are grounds for further PGs.

If I were in that situation, I would not hesitate to go to HR and initiate a Personal Grievance - seeing as how you have already tried talking to him about it and gotten nowhere (except accusations against you), you have already done all you can to remedy the situation.

PG would lead to mediation (independant mediator, not employed by the company, both parties may bring a support person) and a written code of conduct to which both parties must adhere.

[Wolf]

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

Don't forget to write the wrath down :devil2: "Anything you say may be taken down and used in evidence..."

Good on you.

Personally, I'd take the bastard to the cleaners with HR, Personal Grievance procedures and such. If he tried to sack you, the Employment Tribunal would land on him like a ton of bricks.

[Lias]

Working for wankers is NOT good for your mental health.
That explains some of your colleagues prozac prescriptions :rofl: (PT)

[mikey]

if you got your ass off kiwibiker youd have plenty of time to do everything!

[placidfemme]

if you got your ass off kiwibiker youd have plenty of time to do everything!

what and miss talking to sarcastic people like yourself... never!

[mikey]

come on, its meths, not nuclear waste your dealing with, you probably wear perfume thats stronger,


harden up you lot. an who gives a fuck if its in your contract or not, does every little thing have to be spelled out in your contract before you do it, employees got way to many rights in nz!

[oldrider]

Sorry motu they do have a contract in the eyes of the law (Employment law). A verbal agreement is a contract. What the relationship stands on is your personal "mana". This respect they have for you as their leader becomes the basis of the comfort zone of the "Employment relationship". I suspect your strength of character and work skills carry the day.

Placidfemme, you have a written "contract" but no relationship. Your boss is right but he's a twat and so is his boss. Whatever he asks you to do has to be safe for you to do it and you must be "proven" to be competent to be able to do it. (Documented and certificated). You have two choices, do something about it or go somewhere where you are appreciated. Either option will have a lot of difficulties. Are you really mature enough to tough it out and fight it (to the end) or will you slink off into oblivion. If you choose the latter remember there will be no pay between jobs. If you are being honest about this you have a winable case. I could help you but I am too far away. Get some one who can. Do something or your heath will suffer. Work is a third of your day it is a time to enjoy and be productive. Are you sure you are not just pissing about and are worth employing? ask yourself that and be honest with yourself before you do anything. Cheers John.

[ManDownUnder]

Placidfemme, you are worth too much to endure that sort of shit.


HELL YES!



If you go over his head and he gives you Hell for the next week, document everything and hand it straight back up to his superior. It sounds like you are heading towards a point where mediation or Employment Tribunal action may be called for - do not fool yourself, what is happening is serious: you are being bullied and coerced and he is using bullying tactics to attempt to dissuade you to stand up for yourself (giving you grief for a week for going over his head is "controlling behaviour") he is clearly breaking Labour laws by failing to take yor health and safety into account (the problems you have reaching the board, and the issues you have with the meths fumes) and using the aforementioned bullying.

Tell him firmly but politely "No", stating your reasons - not in your JD, injurous to your health etc and if he throws a tantrum, write out a full incident report covering what he has asked you to do, your grounds for refusal and his subsequent attempts to intimidate you into submission and send the written report to his boss. Then it becomes official. They will have to take action. He will then probably give you more shit. Stay firm, write it down and give the reports to his boss.

Look after yourself, you're the only "you" you've got. Remember, you're worth too much to put up with abuse.

I'd only add one thing to this - put HR on blind cc of anything you put in writing - a complete record is needed...

[Lou Girardin]

come on, its meths, not nuclear waste your dealing with, you probably wear perfume thats stronger,


harden up you lot. an who gives a fuck if its in your contract or not, does every little thing have to be spelled out in your contract before you do it, employees got way to many rights in nz!

This has been an ACT party political broadcast.

[Wolf]

This has been an ACT party political broadcast.
Can't give you rep unless I spread some around first (by which time I've forgotten which posts I wanted to apply rep to.)

[placidfemme]

come on, its meths, not nuclear waste your dealing with, you probably wear perfume thats stronger,


harden up you lot. an who gives a fuck if its in your contract or not, does every little thing have to be spelled out in your contract before you do it, employees got way to many rights in nz!

If it gives me migranes I won't harden up, if I'm already working 11+ hours a day, Mon - Sat doing 4 people jobs on one persons pay then I will fucking complain, if you don't like how many rights we have in nz then piss off and move to some 3rd world country more suited to your type

[zadok]

If it gives me migranes I won't harden up, if I'm already working 11+ hours a day, Mon - Sat doing 4 people jobs on one persons pay then I will fucking complain, if you don't like how many rights we have in nz then piss off and move to some 3rd world country more suited to your type
You tell him. He probably doesn't know much about work; 19 and supported by 'Auntie Helen'! :psst:

[placidfemme]

Placidfemme, you have a written "contract" but no relationship. Your boss is right but he's a twat and so is his boss. Whatever he asks you to do has to be safe for you to do it and you must be "proven" to be competent to be able to do it. (Documented and certificated). You have two choices, do something about it or go somewhere where you are appreciated. Either option will have a lot of difficulties. Are you really mature enough to tough it out and fight it (to the end) or will you slink off into oblivion. If you choose the latter remember there will be no pay between jobs. If you are being honest about this you have a winable case. I could help you but I am too far away. Get some one who can. Do something or your heath will suffer. Work is a third of your day it is a time to enjoy and be productive. Are you sure you are not just pissing about and are worth employing? ask yourself that and be honest with yourself before you do anything. Cheers John.

Work is more like 2/3's of my day, and yes I do actually work hard and I am worth employing.

And for the record my boss came in and as usuall had a major tantrum about this...

Firstly threatened to cut my hours down (which is fine) and when I said "do what you feel you have to" and then he started abusing me (which is normal) and swearing at me, and then accused me of lying and saying that he never knew meths made me feel sick... when I tried to defend myself he swore at me and said I was getting a verbal and written warning, I told him he couldn't do both, and again to do whatever he felt right, then he had a go at me for going over his head, and I said "for fucks sake" which isn't as bad his language, and he then threatened to fire me, at which point I walked out, with him shouting from his office, went down to HR and asked to lodge a formal complaint against him...

Now he has disapeared and who knows what is happening...

*is so fucking angry I'm shaking*

[ManDownUnder]

Work is more like 2/3's of my day, and yes I do actually work hard and I am worth employing.

And for the record my boss came in and as usuall had a major tantrum about this...

Firstly threatened to cut my hours down (which is fine) and when I said "do what you feel you have to" and then he started abusing me (which is normal) and swearing at me, and then accused me of lying and saying that he never knew meths made me feel sick... when I tried to defend myself he swore at me and said I was getting a verbal and written warning, I told him he couldn't do both, and again to do whatever he felt right, then he had a go at me for going over his head, and I said "for fucks sake" which isn't as bad his language, and he then threatened to fire me, at which point I walked out, with him shouting from his office, went down to HR and asked to lodge a formal complaint against him...

Now he has disapeared and who knows what is happening...

*is so fucking angry I'm shaking*

Where in town are you ? If you're in town and want lunch - or something to get out of the office... just yell ok?
MDU

edit I'm at the top of Ponsonby Road...

[Pixie]

. and the thing that pisses me off, is that we have 3 Team Leaders and 5 team captains... it's their board they should do it... but my boss doesn't want them away from thier teams...


There's your problem....as soon as the word team occurs,you know it will be a load of newspeak bullshit.
Team=hidey hole for the lazy arses and credit stealers.
I hope you find a better position.

[John]

There's your problem....as soon as the word team occurs,you know it will be a load of newspeak bullshit.
Team=hidey hole for the lazy arses and credit stealers.
I hope you find a better position.
nailed it!

Bite his balls off girl.

[Big Dave]

Or you could just harden up and clean the fuckin' whiteboard.

[oldrider]

This company has a "Human resource section" and employs a prick like that??? Get yourself a Rep and start doing your home work. I don't think a union rep will do you much good they're usually too preoccupied with self interest or side issues. IMPO. Get yourself an employment lawyer. Keep your nose clean and do your prescribed work to the absolute best of your ability and stay off KB during work hours. Either way you are in for a rough journey. When the going gets tough the tough get going. :calm:
Good luck. John.

[John]

Or you could just harden up and clean the fuckin' whiteboard.
but thats to simple - war and torment is more interesting for me.

[Sparky Bills]

You tell him. He probably doesn't know much about work; 19 and supported by 'Auntie Helen'! :psst:


HEY!! Just cause we are young doesnt mean we dont know how to work.
Ive been in the workforce since I was 17, and have NEVER been on the doll. Im now 21 (wow! im getting old!! :devil2: ).
Not all young people are sudents!
So dont start that shit!




p.s. If its a personal joke, then im sorry. :whistle:

[Wolf]

Firstly threatened to cut my hours down (which is fine) and when I said "do what you feel you have to" and then he started abusing me (which is normal) and swearing at me, and then accused me of lying and saying that he never knew meths made me feel sick... when I tried to defend myself he swore at me and said I was getting a verbal and written warning, I told him he couldn't do both, and again to do whatever he felt right, then he had a go at me for going over his head, and I said "for fucks sake" which isn't as bad his language, and he then threatened to fire me, at which point I walked out, with him shouting from his office, went down to HR and asked to lodge a formal complaint against him...

Now he has disapeared and who knows what is happening...

*is so fucking angry I'm shaking*
Good on you. Make sure you document what he said while it is fresh in your mind, get it down on paper and presesnt it to HR - abusing you, calling you a liar and swearing at you (make sure you write down what he said verbatim, HR are supposed to have broad shoulders and if they cannot deal with obscene language quoted in a report, they shouldn't be there) are all offences and warrant disciplinary action. Seriously stick it to him, make sure he knows that his actions and words have consequences. Get him scared for once to see how he likes it. Bring down the wrath of the HR dept on his head and threaten to take it as far as you can go unless something is done about his bullying, abuse and swearing.

If HR says they can't take it too far, inform them that you will have no recourse but to seek independant means e.g. Employment Tribunal. Set a timeframe by which time you expect to see the matter resolved.

[Sparky Bills]

Work is more like 2/3's of my day, and yes I do actually work hard and I am worth employing.

And for the record my boss came in and as usuall had a major tantrum about this...

Firstly threatened to cut my hours down (which is fine) and when I said "do what you feel you have to" and then he started abusing me (which is normal) and swearing at me, and then accused me of lying and saying that he never knew meths made me feel sick... when I tried to defend myself he swore at me and said I was getting a verbal and written warning, I told him he couldn't do both, and again to do whatever he felt right, then he had a go at me for going over his head, and I said "for fucks sake" which isn't as bad his language, and he then threatened to fire me, at which point I walked out, with him shouting from his office, went down to HR and asked to lodge a formal complaint against him...

Now he has disapeared and who knows what is happening...

*is so fucking angry I'm shaking*


Whats the address there??
Lets all just go there and kick the shit out of him! :Punk:
Stay strong! and dont let off!

[mikey]

Standing on a chair is NOT a safe work practice.


the joys of being an employer an dealing with the likes of you,

did you read what you just wrote? i might agree if mrs placid was a tetraplegic but even my 86 year old nana gets up on her fucking chair to do dusting!

what happened to when the boss says jump you say how high!

not occupational health an safety would say bla bla bla an i dont have to an its not in my contract an bla bla,

if its so bad (which is unclear to me) why didnt you leave after you found out what this guy is like? why stay an put yourself through shit, got a spine?

[Paul in NZ]

I hope the words 'constructive dismissal' are in your vocab? Please remember in any situation like that, you are entitled to have a representitive or a witness. Does not have to be anyone official etc.

1. Never get angry... In these disputes (and most fights) the first one to loose their cool looses!

2. Never get into a shouting match. "I'm sorry, I disagree with you and I'm afraid that if you cannot discuss this rationally without you abusing me then you need to take a breath because you are one step away from a constructive dismissal law suit. I suggest we continue this in the HR directors office. Please make an appointment and I will call my employment consultant."

3. Many employment lawyers will work pro bono.

4. Negotiate. You want out, he wants you gone, whats it worth to them? Could be worth a new bike... NEGOTIATE!

Have a look here

http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/relationships/ending.html

Have fun and calm down.

Cheers

[scumdog]

You 'supervisor' doesn't happen to be mikey does it? whatever, he sounds like a real ASSet to the company, people must be flocking to work with him :motu:

[scumdog]

the joys of being an employer an dealing with the likes of you,

did you read what you just wrote? i might agree if mrs placid was a tetraplegic but even my 86 year old nana gets up on her fucking chair to do dusting!

what happened to when the boss says jump you say how high!

not occupational health an safety would say bla bla bla an i dont have to an its not in my contract an bla bla,

if its so bad (which is unclear to me) why didnt you leave after you found out what this guy is like? why stay an put yourself through shit, got a spine?

For a sub-adult you sure as hell tote a lot of vitriol dude, what's your secret?

[Pixie]

See if you can find some other solvent that doesn't give you a head ache.
One that makes your pupils dilate like Homer Simpson's when he licks hallucinogenic excretions from frogs.
Then you can float up to do the high parts of the board.

[mikey]

my secret is when stoned my fingers go cold an typing seems to get blood moving in them, no idea what vitriol is

[Lou Girardin]

the joys of being an employer an dealing with the likes of you,

did you read what you just wrote? i might agree if mrs placid was a tetraplegic but even my 86 year old nana gets up on her fucking chair to do dusting!

what happened to when the boss says jump you say how high!

not occupational health an safety would say bla bla bla an i dont have to an its not in my contract an bla bla,

if its so bad (which is unclear to me) why didnt you leave after you found out what this guy is like? why stay an put yourself through shit, got a spine?

Firstly, youngster, I have been an employer. So I've seen both sides.
Secondly, no bastard tells me to jump.
Thirdly, it's not me in strife, it's placidefemme.

[mikey]

no shit mate, but YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYER THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH YOU!

[MSTRS]

no shit mate, but YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYER THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH YOU!
Ahem....so do you Mikey. US!!!!!

[scumdog]

Ahem....so do you Mikey. US!!!!!

C'mon, don't encourage his outbursts to be any more vitriolic than they already are!!!! :motu:

[MSTRS]

C'mon, don't encourage his outbursts to be any more vitriolic than they already are!!!! :motu:
Mikey asked about this.....it is something to do with china...more correctly, porcelain....specifically, toilet bowls. Isn't it? Root word = vitreous. :rofl:
Anyway, shit is often associated with it. :dodge:

[scumdog]

Type of acid
And Victorian expression for somebody who launches a sour/burning (vitriolic) attack on somebody.

"His comments were dripping in vitriol"

[madboy]

Haven't time to read the whole thread today, so apologies to those I have inadvertantly offended and/or plagiarised.

I remember some course I went on years ago that used the "circle of influence". No doubt this is familiar to many people. Gist was, things that were inside the circle you could control, things outside you couldn't.

Stress (of whatever origin) affects people in different ways, but the key to leading a happy life is to minimise it as much as possible. Therefore following this theory, look at the things that are stressing you.

Are they inside the circle or outside?

Your boss is outside. You can't do bugger all about them.

Your job is inside. Don't like it, move on.

Yeah yeah, I know, money, etc etc etc. But you'll survive no matter what happens. And believe me - I like money. I really like money. But at the end of the day I'd far rather be squinting at a $100 TV I paid cash for than stressing about the payments on a 200inch LCD TV.

Easy for me to say, since my big TV is already paid off :ride:

[crashe]

Placidfemme - Clear all your cookies and history of your computer immediatelty and do it everynight before you go home.

Reason is that they can go into your comp and see how much time you are spending on KB or any other website instead of doing your work.

Keep a complete record of what everyone says to you...
Oh and don't discuss what is happening to other workmates...
people can turn on you when you think they are friends and go backstabbing to your boss.

Well since I know where you work.... would you like me to round up MDU and others... hehehehe.

[placidfemme]

Crashe: Thanks... yeah I clean out my cookies and temp internet files daily, as well as my personal e-mails and all personal files and pictures are on a free server online. IT still has log's for all internet usage, regardless of whether ya delete temp files and cookies... but they won't take the net away from me, as I do all the online advertising, and research, and data processing from here to Aussie, as well as location research and booking, training material research and motivation research and the such... Most time when I'm online on KB at the same time I'm surfing other sites that are work related... my internet usage last year was more than this year and they never said anything...

Anyway....

I've been in and out of meetings with the HR Manager and the Marketing Director, explained my situation (not just about the board but about EVERYTHING), my issues with my manager have been sort of sorted out. We've come to the agreement that I can hire an assistant to help me out, on a part time or full time basis, my choice... also agreed on a pay review and commission structure (lol how lucky was that?).

However, in regards to my bosses attitude, from now on I'm more the Marketing Directors PA, and anything that is not in my Job Description has to be cleared by him first before I do it. I also got an apology and a "we're best friends" act all afternoon. Doesn't change the fact that whenever I see him I wanna continuesly stab him in the eye with my pen until he dies from either blood loss or ink poisoning... but yeah...

*still in a badish mood, but not so angry now*

Thank you everyone for your advice and comments, I'm still going to keep a running diary of his behaviour towards me and the such for future reference as I doubt he will remain "nice" for long...

[dveus]

Placidfemme - Clear all your cookies and history of your computer immediatelty and do it everynight before you go home.
.

You'd need to do alot more than that to hide your internet usage.

[Hitcher]

no idea what vitriol is
It's a performance additive for race bikes.

[WINJA]

IF YOU DONT DO IT PF WHO WILL ? SO SOMEONE ELSE WILL GET A SORE NECK.
I THINK YOULL FIND YOU GOT FUCK ALL TO COMPLAIN ABOUT COMPARED TO SOME PEOPLE . YOUVE REMINDED ME WHY ILL NEVER EMPLOY A WOMAN.

[Skunk]

Placidfemme - Clear all your cookies and history of your computer immediatelty and do it everynight before you go home.

Reason is that they can go into your comp and see how much time you are spending on KB or any other website instead of doing your work.Sorry, but I can still see where each user has been and for how long even if they took the computer away!

It's recorded at the Firewall... and many work places do this.

Good to see something is sorted. Keep those records at home. And keep recording...

[myvice]

GET ANOTHER JOB!!!
Life's too short to work for a pack of wankers.
Your in a position where you can look for another job while still working, so you can be as picky as you want.
Nice new job, more money and fewer hours, higher up the food chain and a bike park...
All you have to do is find it!

[Skyryder]

I need to stand on a chair and lean over the stereo (sp), because they don't want me moving the stereo because then they'll have no music to listen to while they sit in thier offices and do sweet fuck all

There sounds like safety issues. If you are not in the union go and talk to someone from the Labour department. I think it would also be a good idea to go and see your doctor. Get a note from him/her that you suffer from migrain and that your emplyoy know about this but continues to ignore your condition.

In short this sounds like a classic case of harrasment and intimidation and you do not need this kind of stress in the workplace. This can be fixed but it has got to start from you.

Skyryder

[Paul in NZ]

YOUVE REMINDED ME WHY ILL NEVER EMPLOY A WOMAN.

'Cos you are not really sure what they actually look like?

[crashe]

Placidfemme - hey mate there are a couple of jobs going over at AMPS...

[WINJA]

'Cos you are not really sure what they actually look like?
NAH , CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT NEED A BIT EXTRA OUT OF AN EMPLOYEE,
IF YOU HIRE A MAN FOR A JOB AT LEAST HE CAN DO SOME HEAVY LIFTING IF REQUIRED EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT PART OF HIS JOB DESCRIPTION .
A MAN AND A WOMAN WHO ARE OF EQUAL INTELEGENCE AND EQUALLY QUALIFED ARE NEVER WORTH THE SAME , GUYS DONT GET PREGNANT , GUYS DONT HAVE WOMAN ISSUES , GUYS DONT NEED AN ESCORT TO THE BANK ETC
FORGET THE ABOVE IF ITS STRIPPING OR WHOREING CAUSE THEN WOMAN ARE TOPS

[mstriumph]

Do you have a safety rep in your workplace [don't know if nz operates the same way as aus?] - if so, involve them over the meths and stereo thingys --- irrespective of what the set up is, i'm sure you don't have to do something which could be hazardous

Find another job

Keep your chin up and don't let it get to you in the meantime - all this suppressed rage is damaging to you

good luck!
I need to stand on a chair and lean over the stereo (sp), because they don't want me moving the stereo because then they'll have no music to listen to while they sit in thier offices and do sweet fuck all

[mikey]

the one thing that you have done wrong, really wrong, is start the thread as
"SHOULD I PISS HIM OFF?"

bet you didnt bring this up at the meeting with his boss, do you get some type of power trip when you piss someone off? do it regularly?

[ManDownUnder]

the one thing that you have done wrong, really wrong, is start the thread as
"SHOULD I PISS HIM OFF?"

bet you didnt bring this up at the meeting with his boss, do you get some type of power trip when you piss someone off? do it regularly?

*biting tongue*

[mikey]

yeh so im not as sympathetic as the hive,

i dont actaully believe that the full truth has been spread, only the doings of one guy, (her boss), i dont believe its professional an all the other stuff shes (placid) been on about to say her boss is a P head, doesnt turn up for work, takes all the credit an is a twat. that is grounds for dissmissal in my books, if its not legal then i would make you redundant.

i dont believe its unreasonable to ask an employee to stand on a chair and wipe down a board an write some new stuff on it, if meths gives you a fucking head ache dont use it, use something else. even if its not in your contract, its not like hes asking you to climb outside the 28th story an clean the windows or anything.

and

i do believe starting a thread with "should i piss him off" shows some type of intent, an that other stuff has goen on that you will not mention where you try winding your boss up.

[Lou Girardin]

It's a performance additive for race bikes.

Biaggi uses it regularly and it seems Luthi and Pedroza are sharing a drum of it now.

[enigma51]

yeh so im not as sympathetic as the hive,

i dont actaully believe that the full truth has been spread, only the doings of one guy, (her boss), i dont believe its professional an all the other stuff shes (placid) been on about to say her boss is a P head, doesnt turn up for work, takes all the credit an is a twat. that is grounds for dissmissal in my books, if its not legal then i would make you redundant.

i dont believe its unreasonable to ask an employee to stand on a chair and wipe down a board an write some new stuff on it, if meths gives you a fucking head ache dont use it, use something else. even if its not in your contract, its not like hes asking you to climb outside the 28th story an clean the windows or anything.

and

i do believe starting a thread with "should i piss him off" shows some type of intent, an that other stuff has goen on that you will not mention where you try winding your boss up.
Are you for real dude

[vifferman]

I need to stand on a chair and lean over the stereo (sp), because they don't want me moving the stereo because then they'll have no music to listen to while they sit in thier offices and do sweet fuck all
Shame I was too busy yesterday to read this thread (obviously not at work, but doing real stuff). I was going to suggest that while leaning over the stereo you lost your balance perched precariously on the chair, fell down on the precious stereo, and then OSH would get all interested...
Good for you in standing up for yourself. It sounds as though they have been taking advantage of you, and it sounds like your boss shouldn't be in a managerial position as he's not a manager's arsehole...

[placidfemme]

yeh so im not as sympathetic as the hive,

i dont actaully believe that the full truth has been spread, only the doings of one guy, (her boss), i dont believe its professional an all the other stuff shes (placid) been on about to say her boss is a P head, doesnt turn up for work, takes all the credit an is a twat. that is grounds for dissmissal in my books, if its not legal then i would make you redundant.

i dont believe its unreasonable to ask an employee to stand on a chair and wipe down a board an write some new stuff on it, if meths gives you a fucking head ache dont use it, use something else. even if its not in your contract, its not like hes asking you to climb outside the 28th story an clean the windows or anything.

and

i do believe starting a thread with "should i piss him off" shows some type of intent, an that other stuff has goen on that you will not mention where you try winding your boss up.

gee and isn't it a pity that you'll never know :violin:

[oldrider]

Placidfemme, things seem to moving in the right direction now but you must keep it going to fruition otherwise its just going to stack up against you. The job must be worth saving or you wouldn't still be there. You asked this forum for help so use the responses wisely. There actually is a lot of truth in what mikey says if you think about it, don't write it off just because you don't like the packaging. Keep the dialogue going with the HR section and your bosses boss. Who holds the the other end of the golden thread? in other words who hired you? Your job is to make them successful, that is your job security nothing else. Performance appraisals usually formally occur once a year but performance is 365 days of the year. Rebuilding the relationship has to start with you because you are the only one that you can control. If you always do what you have always done you will just get more of the same. Good luck John.
PS: My signature is not religious, it's by poet Robbie Burns. Read it and think about what it means, it might help.

[placidfemme]

Placidfemme, things seem to moving in the right direction now but you must keep it going to fruition otherwise its just going to stack up against you. The job must be worth saving or you wouldn't still be there. You asked this forum for help so use the responses wisely. There actually is a lot of truth in what mikey says if you think about it, don't write it off just because you don't like the packaging. Keep the dialogue going with the HR section and your bosses boss. Who holds the the other end of the golden thread? in other words who hired you? Your job is to make them successful, that is your job security nothing else. Performance appraisals usually formally occur once a year but performance is 365 days of the year. Rebuilding the relationship has to start with you because you are the only one that you can control. If you always do what you have always done you will just get more of the same. Good luck John.
PS: My signature is not religious, it's by poet Robbie Burns. Read it and think about what it means, it might help.

Thank you :)

Yeah I know, as mentioned I am still keping a diary from now on, as well as giving weekly reports to the Marketing Director about how things are going...

I get my KPI (Key Performance Indicator) yearly, the last 2 years running I've had the highest percentage (sp) out of our department... Also our KPI's need to be done by two different people, so it won't be just my boss assessing my performance...

Thanks again :)

[danb]

Start looking for a job now while you still have one and a good record for a reference.
Don’t wait till the shit hits the fan as I reckon it still could get worse.

As for my story – here goes.
I was asked to clean the toilet in a shop by the boss’s daughter when the boss was on holiday (In which I think the boss asked the daughter to clean them). I did say to her that I get employed to sell things and not clean things like that, I had never been asked to do it before, and she made a huge fuss about it in front of the rest of the staff. I did clean it and let the big boss know of what happened. He said he will have a chat to her or something as it was not right and it was not in my contract.
Few weeks later boss was away again for some reason and I was only asked to clean the toilets for a second time (still did them) and handed my notice in a few weeks later and have a good reference from them. I do however have to admit that already was working in a weekly job where Im working now so that made things a little easer. (Was only working Saturdays so it was pocket money)
I do fell like the boss’s daughter got the best of me as we where never the best of work mates but to bad.

As for getting onto stools etc – If im right even a house cleaner now does not have to clean anything above what they can reach while standing on the floor.