Police conducting on the spot vehicle inspections

[Akzle]

well, since no other cunt has...
Twirl!
http://www.3news.co.nz/Police-to-twirl-around-cars-for-safety-checks/tabid/423/articleID/331881/Default.aspx

[rustyrobot]

I hear the scheme was first trialled in the UK...
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[Scuba_Steve]

Ah excellent, further making the WoF sticker a useless overpriced piece of paper while continuing to increase Govt $$$

[scumdog]

Ah excellent, further making the WoF sticker a useless overpriced piece of paper while continuing to increase Govt $$$

Enjoy!:D:lol:

[tigertim20]

video wont work for me, I just read the blurb bit.

what happens if an officer thinks something isnt legit? does driver have to fork out money for some kind of check to prove otherwise?

[bucket boy]

video wont work for me, I just read the blurb bit.

what happens if an officer thinks something isnt legit? does driver have to fork out money for some kind of check to prove otherwise?

Thats it exactly how it is now.

[Scuba_Steve]

video wont work for me, I just read the blurb bit.

what happens if an officer thinks something isnt legit? does driver have to fork out money for some kind of check to prove otherwise?

There was an episode on motorway patrol (I think) where an absolute wanker of a PIG handed a guy a fine & green sticker (might have been pink?) for a missing bumper on his car despite this guy having got a WoF that same day & the missing bumper even mentioned on the WoF sheet under the notes

So the (lets for arguments sake say) Qualified WoF inspector deemed this guys car "safe" but then the arse of a PIG comes along, decides in his "expert" opinion the car is unsafe just so he can hand out a ticket being desperate to perform for the camera (& I'm sure behind on his quota KPI's) as he failed to get this guy on anything legit; meaning, because of the illegal way the police operate & the corruption of the legal system, the victim is now forced to pay more money just to prove the exact same thing he had already proven that day.

[R650R]

Well the que at 'drink drive' aka rego and wof checkpoints will get even longer now. Will be doing a ripping u turn at next checkpoint and taking a detour rather than que in the heat while some poor sod ahead argues his tread depth...
Truckers already now about these 'quick' checks... quick is anywhere from 7-20mins of your life stolen and that's if they don't find anything wrong.
But in reality I guess it will just be like the 4km thing, they will just use it when it suits them as its just extra workload for them too.
Funny eh? the govt says we only need 12 month WOF but now we need cops 'twirling' around our motors every five mins, told people this would happen...
Just wait till they extend the power to parking wardens...

[p.dath]

Police are to begin checking every car they stop to make sure it is safe for the road - and that involves a five-point Twirl test: tyres, windscreen wipers and mirrors, indicators, rust and lights
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9710525/Tougher-checks-on-every-car-stopped

I have to say I'm a bit luke warm about Police spending time doing this. We have qualified vehicle inspectors who's sole job is to inspect vehicles and check them (aka WOF inspectors). They are specially trained in interpreting the WOF requirements.

I'm thinking of our primary car at the moment, whose tyres I know are getting low on tread (and will be replaced this year). I don't want to get a $150 fine because a Police officer during a random stop determines that they are not happy with the tread depth. I think I might put my tread depth gauge in the car boot just so I can prove the tyres are legal.

I wonder if Police will also start carry tread depth gauges so they can measure tyres properly, or if they'll just be using an eyeball.

I'm sure the Police would already being taking appropriate action about vehicles which are clearly unsafe. Do we really need Police, who on the whole are unqualified vehicle inspectors (and will probably not have formal measuring tools), to start conducting formal road side vehicle inspections?

[Akzle]

Just wait till they extend the power to parking wardens...

they did. Kapiti council? Netted 310 000$ during their 'trial' of meter maids wof ing cars.

Everyone go you tube and look up 'guy who knows rights owns cop at stop/checkpoint'. This is what you ALL should do ALL the time.

[jellywrestler]

Can't wait till they try and adjust BOSSLADY's bike on the side of the road...

[Akzle]

youre a day late dear. Thread already exists.

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny eh? the govt says we only need 12 month WOF but now we need cops 'twirling' around our motors every five mins, told people this would happen...

It wouldn't be so bad if they did the right thing & scrapped WoF's, but to do it alongside WoF's :bs:

[angle]

Do we really need Police, who on the whole are unqualified vehicle inspectors (and will probably not have formal measuring tools), to start conducting formal road side vehicle inspections?
No! We are turning into a police state slowly but surely...

youre a day late dear. Thread already exists.
Well, stop being jewish then and provide a link.

[The Reibz]

My brother got pulled over and was asked if he was doing skids. Cop goes and checks rear tires. Car is a FWD, cop looks like a idiot.

So was my brother doing skids? Yes, yes he was...

[Akzle]

Well, stop being jewish then and provide a link.

theres a difference between 'being jewish' and 'being a fucking jew'

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/163752-Crime-all-fixed!-Cops-to-give-out-free-WOF-at-roadside!

[Tazz]

Good to know the Police and Gummit brass think they are so on top of things that they can add this to the troops workload. What a joke.

What little faith I had left in the NZ justice and law enforcement systems is being whittled away rather quickly.

[Erelyes]

So whats new?

Cops have always been able to do, and have done, roadside checks. Whether lights work and tyres are bald is not rocket science. It's not like they're jacking it up and measuring freeplay in the steering rack, or testing brake performance, etc.

There are those who will swap on a mate's set of wheels/tyres, get the WOF, then spend 10 minutes swapping theirs back on. Like some boy racers.
Also those who would never know or care they have a light out til next WOF time. People who don't even know how to pop the bonnet or fill up the car.

Most cops will, I expect issue a ticket with compliance for minor things. And issue a fine or green/pink sticker for major things (say, tyres on the canvas). Again, what's new.

I expect that the media coverage is intentional, and designed so that hopefully a few of the muppets driving bombs around, fix things up (whether they get pulled over or not)

[willytheekid]

So whats new?

Cops have always been able to do, and have done, roadside checks. Whether lights work and tyres are bald is not rocket science. It's not like they're jacking it up and measuring freeplay in the steering rack, or testing brake performance, etc.

There are those who will swap on a mate's set of wheels/tyres, get the WOF, then spend 10 minutes swapping theirs back on. Like some boy racers.
Also those who would never know or care they have a light out til next WOF time. People who don't even know how to pop the bonnet or fill up the car.

Most cops will, I expect issue a ticket with compliance for minor things. And issue a fine or green/pink sticker for major things (say, tyres on the canvas). Again, what's new.

I expect that the media coverage is intentional, and designed so that hopefully a few of the muppets driving bombs around, fix things up (whether they get pulled over or not)

This! +1
...there just trying to get some crap off our roads, and spot obvious problems :2thumbsup

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[Katman]

Well, did you all really expect that vehicle operators would take on the responsibility for ensuring the safety of their vehicles once they only had to get it checked every 12 months instead of 6?

How cutely naive of you all.

[SMOKEU]

Well the que at 'drink drive' aka rego and wof checkpoints will get even longer now. Will be doing a ripping u turn at next checkpoint and taking a detour rather than que in the heat while some poor sod ahead argues his tread depth...

The cops are well aware of this tactic, and they often have a chase car parked up with its engine idling just for people like that. Then, they'll put you under far more scrutiny as they'll think you've got something to hide for being evasive.


Well, did you all really expect that vehicle operators would take on the responsibility for ensuring the safety of their vehicles once they only had to get it checked every 12 months instead of 6?

How cutely naive of you all.

This.

[Erelyes]

Well, did you all really expect that vehicle operators would take on the responsibility for ensuring the safety of their vehicles once they only had to get it checked every 12 months instead of 6?

How cutely naive of you all.

I wonder how many cars will get picked up that are first reg 2000 and newer though (as cars older than that remain on 6 month WOFS)

[buggerit]

I wonder how many cars will get picked up that are first reg 2000 and newer though (as cars older than that remain on 6 month WOFS)

If they are checking tires they are not looking at the Hawk:woohoo:

[rastuscat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9710525/Tougher-checks-on-every-car-stopped

I wonder if Police will also start carry tread depth gauges so they can measure tyres properly, or if they'll just be using an eyeball.

Tyres have TWI, tread wear indicators. Helps.

[Kickaha]

Well, did you all really expect that vehicle operators would take on the responsibility for ensuring the safety of their vehicles once they only had to get it checked every 12 months instead of 6?

They didn't take on the responsibilty of doing that when they were only 6 so I can't see it getting any better now they're 12

[jahrasti]

Tyres have TWI, tread wear indicators. Helps.

Dont let the truth get in the way of a good guess.

I wonder if they will be issuing high vis tutu's and music in the background to keep time to whilst twirling up a storm. ;)

[FJRider]

They didn't take on the responsibilty of doing that when they were only 6 so I can't see it getting any better now they're 12

They (as every other motor vehicle owner) have always had the responsibility to keep their vehicle(s) as per vehicle regulations ... their choice of not doing so is theirs. And will/should be aware of the downside of not doing so.

Heavy vehicle policing has increased in this area ... and no doubt other areas too. The risk of getting caught is increasing ... even penalties for failing a COF is increasing. (fines for getting caught aren't cheap either)

[FJRider]

Was in a que at a drink drive checkpoint and was tempted to turn off on a side street as I had not been drinking but was concerned about getting a fail for something else far less serious if I did get picked up so just stayed in the line and the less serious issue was luckily missed but I may not be so lucky next time maybe.

Paranoia is alive and well in NZ ... police count on it ... it makes you comply.

Busy checkpoints seldom do the full check ... usually they're just after drunks.

[Mushu]

The cops are well aware of this tactic, and they often have a chase car parked up with its engine idling just for people like that. Then, they'll put you under far more scrutiny as they'll think you've got something to hide for being evasive.



This.

I manage to dodge 90% of checkpoints by just keeping an eye out for the red/blue lights as I approach certain areas, normally they hide around a bend but at night you can usually see the lights reflecting off things closer to the corner and either chuck a u turn or go down a side street before they see you.

I do this just because I don't want the hassle of dealing with them, last time I actually got stuck in a checkpoint I had rego, warrant and was 100% sober but the cop decided to give me a lecture on the fact he thought by the sound of my bike I had been speeding and he refused to believe that a DR650 is learner legal (technically the exhaust actually makes my one no longer legal under the LAMS scheme but he didn't seem to know that either) so after wasting over half an hour of my time (thus forcing me to ride outside the hours allowed by my learner license) he let me go without a fine.

[rastuscat]

I manage to dodge 90% of checkpoints by just keeping an eye out for the red/blue lights as I approach certain areas, normally they hide around a bend but at night you can usually see the lights reflecting off things closer to the corner and either chuck a u turn or go down a side street before they see you.

I do this just because I don't want the hassle of dealing with them, last time I actually got stuck in a checkpoint I had rego, warrant and was 100% sober but the cop decided to give me a lecture on the fact he thought by the sound of my bike I had been speeding and he refused to believe that a DR650 is learner legal (technically the exhaust actually makes my one no longer legal under the LAMS scheme but he didn't seem to know that either) so after wasting over half an hour of my time (thus forcing me to ride outside the hours allowed by my learner license) he let me go without a fine.


Um.........you broke the law but didn't get a ticket........and you're complaining?

[Berries]

I do this just because I don't want the hassle of dealing with them, last time I actually got stuck in a checkpoint I had rego, warrant and was 100% sober but the cop decided to give me a lecture on the fact he thought by the sound of my bike I had been speeding and he refused to believe that a DR650 is learner legal (technically the exhaust actually makes my one no longer legal under the LAMS scheme but he didn't seem to know that either) so after wasting over half an hour of my time (thus forcing me to ride outside the hours allowed by my learner license) he let me go without a fine.
He refused to believe that your DR650 was learner legal when in actual fact it wasn't? I'd have taken his number and made a complaint, the fucking cheek of it.

[scumdog]

I manage to dodge 90% of checkpoints by just keeping an eye out for the red/blue lights as I approach certain areas, normally they hide around a bend but at night you can usually see the lights reflecting off things closer to the corner and either chuck a u turn or go down a side street before they see you.

I do this just because I don't want the hassle of dealing with them, last time I actually got stuck in a checkpoint I had rego, warrant and was 100% sober but the cop decided to give me a lecture on the fact he thought by the sound of my bike I had been speeding and he refused to believe that a DR650 is learner legal (technically the exhaust actually makes my one no longer legal under the LAMS scheme but he didn't seem to know that either) so after wasting over half an hour of my time (thus forcing me to ride outside the hours allowed by my learner license) he let me go without a fine.

Are you the new Skidmark?????:crazy:

[AllanB]

Skidmark is probably walking still ... after amassing too many roadside tickets.

[Mushu]

Um.........you broke the law but didn't get a ticket........and you're complaining?


He refused to believe that your DR650 was learner legal when in actual fact it wasn't? I'd have taken his number and made a complaint, the fucking cheek of it.

I have the standard exhaust and have no problem refitting it if I am asked to do so by a cop. What pissed me off was the young cop being unaware of what bikes are on the list and completely unprepared to check. Thus holding me on the side of the road unnecessarily causing me to have to ride illegally outside my allowed hours and also leaving my house unsecured for far longer than I would normally be prepared to.(didn't lock the door cos I was just running to the shop.) If they aren't actually writing you a fine they shouldn't be allowed to hold you longer than is necessary to perform the breath test and rego/warrant/license checks.

[R650R]

The cops are well aware of this tactic, and they often have a chase car parked up with its engine idling just for people like that. Then, they'll put you under far more scrutiny as they'll think you've got something to hide for being evasive.


I am well aware that they are well aware even though sometimes they are not well aware. One night a feral couple abandoned their car in my driveway due to the checkpoint literally one house down the road, had to go out and ask the plod if they were working with their eyes shut. Was quite impressed at the cold start, j turn and rapid acceleration of SV6.
Sometime ago they had a checkpoint here in rush hour traffic on the HB expressway on a Friday night, they even knew how bad it was as they had the full monty road work electronic delay sign trailers also. I thought it was just roadworks and joined the que with the lemmings, about 15mins later finally moving again and late for work so meant I had to speed in my 44 tonne b-train to get to produce markets on time and travel unnecessarily through a built up residential area to avoid the same delay again.
I'm all for road safety and legit motors but this same task of checking WOF status could be done by average joes on average wages parking meter style wandering around pak n save car park instead of tying up valuable police resources and blocking highways up.

[angle]

I have the standard exhaust and have no problem refitting it if I am asked to do so by a cop. What pissed me off was the young cop being unaware of what bikes are on the list and completely unprepared to check.
Personally, judging from what you said in the below quote, I don't believe that that's exactly what happened.


Thus holding me on the side of the road unnecessarily causing me to have to ride illegally outside my allowed hours and also leaving my house unsecured for far longer than I would normally be prepared to.(didn't lock the door cos I was just running to the shop.) If they aren't actually writing you a fine they shouldn't be allowed to hold you longer than is necessary to perform the breath test and rego/warrant/license checks.
I am not a fan of the Police by any means, the lack of professionalism and the amount of hypocrisy they show are the major factors, but blaming your own failings on the Police is a bit pitiful. It was your decision to ride that close to the legal curfew, it was your decision to leave the house unlocked.

[Mushu]

Personally, judging from what you said in the below quote, I don't believe that that's exactly what happened.


I am not a fan of the Police by any means, the lack of professionalism and the amount of hypocrisy they show are the major factors, but blaming your own failings on the Police is a bit pitiful. It was your decision to ride that close to the legal curfew, it was your decision to leave the house unlocked.

Why in fuck should I not be able to whip down to the local servo (less than 5 minutes away) to get smokes 15 minutes before curfew in the middle of the week. The other option being to go down at midnight when I actually ran out.

I was quite happy to leave the door open while I was gone for ten minutes, my dog would slow a thief down for most of that time anyway, but over 45 minutes to get to and from a gas station less than 2km away (factoring a few extra minutes to go the long way home to avoid repeating the process). Remember I hadn't done a thing wrong at all (except the exhaust which the cop never mentioned).

[Kickaha]

Why in fuck should I not be able to whip down to the local servo (less than 5 minutes away) to get smokes 15 minutes before curfew in the middle of the week. The other option being to go down at midnight when I actually ran out.

I was quite happy to leave the door open while I was gone for ten minutes, my dog would slow a thief down for most of that time anyway, but over 45 minutes to get to and from a gas station less than 2km away (factoring a few extra minutes to go the long way home to avoid repeating the process). Remember I hadn't done a thing wrong at all (except the exhaust which the cop never mentioned).

If you weren't such a lazy cunt you would have walked and avoided it all

[FJRider]

about 15mins later finally moving again and late for work so meant I had to speed in my 44 tonne b-train to get to produce markets on time and travel unnecessarily through a built up residential area to avoid the same delay again.

It never fails to amuse me ... how (supposedly) rational people complain when they are held up in their lives by people doing the job they are paid to do. When in the course of their own job ... probably hold up just as many people. :shifty: I'm sure your 44 tonne B-train NEVER holds people up ....eh ... !!! :laugh:


I'm all for road safety and legit motors but this same task of checking WOF status could be done by average joes on average wages parking meter style wandering around pak n save car park instead of tying up valuable police resources and blocking highways up.

There's been a few unhappy threads on that subject too ... and I can't believe you'd be happy with that either ... if you were on the receiving end of the ticket .. :shifty:

[FJRider]

Why in fuck should I not be able to whip down to the local servo (less than 5 minutes away) to get smokes 15 minutes before curfew in the middle of the week. The other option being to go down at midnight when I actually ran out.

So .... smoking not only kills ... it makes you break the law too ... :killingme


... Remember I hadn't done a thing wrong at all (except the exhaust which the cop never mentioned).

So ... you're pleading innocence ... AND ... admitting guilt ... :scratch:

[Mushu]

So .... smoking not only kills ... it makes you break the law too ... :killingme
Not really, the cop forced me to break the law, my motivation for going out in the first place is irrelevant


So ... you're pleading innocence ... AND ... admitting guilt ... :scratch:Not pleading innocence, just pointing out that the cop held me for no reason, if my exhaust had've been a concern of his he would have had a reason, as it was he didn't notice it so it's not a factor in this case.

[FJRider]

Not really, the cop forced me to break the law, my motivation for going out in the first place is irrelevant

So ... it's the COP's fault you broke the law .. (original) :pinch:

Did you inform the cop of the fact you curfew was about to start ... ?? :shifty:


Not pleading innocence, just pointing out that the cop held me for no reason, if my exhaust had've been a concern of his he would have had a reason, as it was he didn't notice it so it's not a factor in this case.

Not innocent ... but just not your fault ... eh .. !!! And he did have a reason ... just you didn't like it ... :yawn:

Life is tough for you .. eh .. !! :killingme

[R650R]

It never fails to amuse me ... how (supposedly) rational people complain when they are held up in their lives by people doing the job they are paid to do. When in the course of their own job ... probably hold up just as many people. :shifty: I'm sure your 44 tonne B-train NEVER holds people up ....eh ... !!! :laugh:



There's been a few unhappy threads on that subject too ... and I can't believe you'd be happy with that either ... if you were on the receiving end of the ticket .. :shifty:

I have no beef with the cops doing there job, my complaint is about the inefficient techniques forced on them by govt and the lack of results vs resources expended. And all this while the govt via local councils allows pubs and bars to be built with large car parks, drive in bottle stores and very poor or no public transport options at peak alcohol consumption times.
BTW a 600hp truck holds up no one when its only running at 44 ton, pity that was only about ten percent of the time lol...

As for the last part, no wouldn't be happy but it would be a better use of resources to get same result

[FJRider]

I have no beef with the cops doing there job, my complaint is about the inefficient techniques forced on them by govt and the lack of results vs resources expended.

I reckon the real beef's will be when they DO start getting efficient ... the howls of protest that we'll hear then ... :cool:

[Mushu]

So ... it's the COP's fault you broke the law .. (original) :pinch:

Did you inform the cop of the fact you curfew was about to start ... ?? :shifty:



Not innocent ... but just not your fault ... eh .. !!! And he did have a reason ... just you didn't like it ... :yawn:

Life is tough for you .. eh .. !! :killingme

Yes it's the cops fault I broke the law, the whole time he had me pulled up we were arguing about whether my bike was on the LAMS list. The fact that he didn't know the exhaust excluded it anyway just further shows his ignorance.

As far as I can tell his only reason to have held me up that long was ignorance, he could have at any time asked one of the other cops that was there (it was a check point there were atleast half a dozen of them there at the time)

Who gives a shit anyway getting a bit off topic picking apart a simple story given as an example as to why I will do anything to avoid having to drive/ride through a checkpoint. Why do you care, the illegal modifications that were present on my bike have nothing to do with safety unless you think an exhaust would give a 650 single some kind of major power boost. I wouldn't have cared if he'd given me a ticket for any of the real or imagined offenses, especially if he'd done me for riding a non LAMS approved vehicle atleast I could keep the ticket because I would find it funny and I'm pretty sure I could get the fine thrown out just by sending a letter. Atleast then he would have had a reason to hold me up so much

If you don't mind listening to some young kid cop rabbit on bullshit just to hear the sound of his own voice then I hope he pulls you over next time.

[angle]

I reckon the real beef's will be when they DO start getting efficient ... the howls of protest that we'll hear then ... :cool:
It depends on what they are going to be efficient at. If it's going to be keeping the society safe, there won't be any protest. However, if it is going to continue the way it is, they are going to be more efficient in revenue gathering and ensuring the system stays comfortable for the selected circles at the expense of everybody else. In that case, protest is quite possible.

[FJRider]

It depends on what they are going to be efficient at. If it's going to be keeping the society safe, there won't be any protest. However, if it is going to continue the way it is, they are going to be more efficient in revenue gathering and ensuring the system stays comfortable for the selected circles at the expense of everybody else. In that case, protest is quite possible.

Two quick fix's in Government revenue gathering for treasury ... increased tax (from every tax payer) or increased fines (from every law breakers).

Your preference would be .. ??? :shifty:

[FJRider]

If you don't mind listening to some young kid cop rabbit on bullshit just to hear the sound of his own voice then I hope he pulls you over next time.

We get enough bullshit reading your posts ... I'm just glad we don't get the sound too ... :blank:

I hope the cops don't stop me ... my FJ1200 isn't on the LAM's list ... <_<

[Mushu]

Two quick fix's in Government revenue gathering for treasury ... increased tax (from every tax payer) or increased fines (from every law breakers).

Your preference would be .. ??? :shifty:

How about fines relative to income. Surely fines are a financial punishment for breaking the law so shouldn't the inconvenience of paying a fine be the same for everybody. $100 means very different things to the low income earner as opposed to the exec earning 100k +


We get enough bullshit reading your posts ... I'm just glad we don't get the sound too ... :blank:

I hope the cops don't stop me ... my FJ1200 isn't on the LAM's list ... <_<

Most of what I see you post seems to be pure horse shit, like taking a thread way off topic to pick holes in a simple example given to illustrate a point. I could write up a full account of what happened on that night and PM it to you so this thread can get back on topic if you really feel the need to judge me (actually no I won't, can't be fucked and I really don't care what you think). If you don't like what I have to say then ignore me, I really couldn't care less.

As far as the topic of this thread goes, I don't mind the idea of road side checks. It would keep a lot of unroadworthy cars off the road and make people think about maintaining their cars better - especially older vehicles. But the idea makes the current WOF system completely redundant. I wonder how the accident statistics in QLD (where they have no regular vehicle checks) differ from other areas in terms of mechanical failures causing accidents.

[Katman]

Why do you care, the illegal modifications that were present on my bike have nothing to do with safety unless you think an exhaust would give a 650 single some kind of major power boost.

Actually, an aftermarket can on the DR650 makes a considerable degree of difference.

The originals weigh a ton and are very restrictive.

[Mushu]

Actually, an aftermarket can on the DR650 makes a considerable degree of difference.

The originals weigh a ton and are very restrictive.

Enough to put it over 150kw/tonne? Or raise a safety concern? I really don't think so. And it would also depend if my carb were tuned to suit, otherwise it would reduce power.

[iranana]

Enough to put it over 150kw/tonne? Or raise a safety concern? I really don't think so. And it would also depend if my carb were tuned to suit, otherwise it would reduce power.

I have an old two stroke that I've just put chambers on. It's not necessarily above the 150kw per tonne limit (but it certainly is with me on it - I don't weight anything near 90kg) but seriously, what are they going to do if they pull me over? Dyno it? The NZTA website only says that bikes on the approved list aren't allowed to be modified. Does that mean a 250 can in fact be modified, as long as it doesn't exceed 150kw per tonne? I've only been pulled over once for running a stop sign, but in the event of being questioned about my bike/the pipes on it I'd like to have my facts straight.

[angle]

Two quick fix's in Government revenue gathering for treasury ... increased tax (from every tax payer) or increased fines (from every law breakers).

Your preference would be .. ??? :shifty:
My preference would be to have the economy developed properly, not bled dry in order to meet the annual budget.

[Mushu]

I have an old two stroke that I've just put chambers on. It's not necessarily above the 150kw per tonne limit (but it certainly is with me on it - I don't weight anything near 90kg) but seriously, what are they going to do if they pull me over? Dyno it? The NZTA website only says that bikes on the approved list aren't allowed to be modified. Does that mean a 250 can in fact be modified, as long as it doesn't exceed 150kw per tonne? I've only been pulled over once for running a stop sign, but in the event of being questioned about my bike/the pipes on it I'd like to have my facts straight.

Technically, I believe it's only the bikes on the list (ie those between 250 and 660cc) that are not allowed to be modified. You are far more likely to find a cop arguing that being a 250 2 stroke excludes it than one worried about an aftermarket pipe.

Just so you know, at the beginning if the LAMS document it lists the 250 2 strokes that are excluded. I would suggest you carry a copy encase you need to find yourself needing to prove your bike is legal. I carry a copy with me these days after being held up as I stated in my earlier posts.

[jasonu]

One would think the pigs could have come up with a less gay sounding and open to ridicule acronim than twirl.

[Katman]

And it would also depend if my carb were tuned to suit, otherwise it would reduce power.

Actually, no.

Simply allowing the exhaust gases to escape quicker (and therefore allowing the engine to breathe easier) will give a power increase without any work done to the carb.

[FJRider]

My preference would be to have the economy developed properly, not bled dry in order to meet the annual budget.

Buy (more) New Zealand made products then ... :lol: but most seem to prefer to support Asian economy's .... :pinch:

[jasonu]

There are those who will swap on a mate's set of wheels/tyres, get the WOF, then spend 10 minutes swapping theirs back on. Like some boy racers.
)

Many years ago I had a Hillman Avenger that had fuck all chance of getting a WOF. It was fucked in many different directions. Lucky for me my old man had a Chrysler Alpine and the Avenger had Chrysler badges on it. A quick number plate swap and bobs you uncle I got a WOF. They didn't have such things as vin numbers to look at in those days. A few weeks later I traded it in at Cyclespot Suzuki for an XR500.

[SNF]

Its fucking stupid. Half the idiots don't even know what is legal and what was not. Try and explain, I don't get smart I'm always polite and respectful. But they don't have a bar of it and get all shitty. Power trip much? They don't even help you when you need them as I found.....

A while back a bunch of 5 dickheads probably drunk or on acid/meths/their own ass, decided to randomly punch me while walking through a park after getting some lunch in Palmerston North. I was driving back in my friends car and he was driving a car he'd just got back up to Auckland. I really don't get the reason, they didn't jump me/take anything. Just all who the fuck are you etc and then started dancing and such. Didn't feel much like a waltz that day myself and there were 5 of them so I never really had a chance. Started running. Got given a couple of hits but I wasn't going to give any back as there were 5 of the cunts.

Just across the road a cop was ticketing someone. I kid you not. Cop didn't do a thing though , I was suprized once they started hitting me I was yelling - couldn't really fight back with 5:1 odds. Even when I marched over highly fucked off and pointed to the pricks who were running away and getting into a shitty silver Primera, I was even reading the plate to the damn pig. Demanded he arrest them. Nope, it seems a ticket was far more important than me getting bashed by a pack of cunts!

Safer communities my ass what a fucking joke, can't even get that right:finger:

[Berg]

[QUOTE=R650R;1130677408
Truckers already now about these 'quick' checks... quick is anywhere from 7-20mins of your life stolen and that's if they don't find anything wrong.
...[/QUOTE]
Ask the truck driver I stopped in Thames on Wednesday if he minded being stopped and if he felt his time had been "stolen". Found a split left front brake hose pumping all the fluid out every time he braked. Was just heading for the Coromandel loop too. Want to meet his truck on ya bike when he runs out of brakes?
He didn't even object to a seatbelt ticket. Was just very grateful I possibly saved his or somebody else's life. Good thing I'm a qualified mechanic as well as a :Police:

[Akzle]

Its fucking stupid. Half the idiots don't even know what is legal and what was not. Try and explain, I don't get smart I'm always polite and respectful. But they don't have a bar of it and get all shitty. Power trip much? They don't even help you when you need them as I found.....

A while back a bunch of 5 dickheads probably drunk or on acid/meths/their own ass, decided to randomly punch me while walking through a park after getting some lunch in Palmerston North. I was driving back in my friends car and he was driving a car he'd just got back up to Auckland. I really don't get the reason, they didn't jump me/take anything. Just all who the fuck are you etc and then started dancing and such. Didn't feel much like a waltz that day myself and there were 5 of them so I never really had a chance. Started running. Got given a couple of hits but I wasn't going to give any back as there were 5 of the cunts.

Just across the road a cop was ticketing someone. I kid you not. Cop didn't do a thing though , I was suprized once they started hitting me I was yelling - couldn't really fight back with 5:1 odds. Even when I marched over highly fucked off and pointed to the pricks who were running away and getting into a shitty silver Primera, I was even reading the plate to the damn pig. Demanded he arrest them. Nope, it seems a ticket was far more important than me getting bashed by a pack of cunts!

Safer communities my ass what a fucking joke, can't even get that right:finger:

oh g'wan.,.. Tell us how you really feel

[yevjenko]

so after wasting over half an hour of my time (thus forcing me to ride outside the hours allowed by my learner license) he let me go without a fine.

I was told when I first moved here that the cops are only allowed to keep you for 7 minutes when they pull you over. That you are legally allowed to say 'post me the fine' and ride off (assuming they are not pulling you for offence that prevents from riding/driving).

I haven't backed this up though... any cops on here want to weigh in?

[FJRider]

I was told when I first moved here that the cops are only allowed to keep you for 7 minutes when they pull you over. That you are legally allowed to say 'post me the fine' and ride off (assuming they are not pulling you for offence that prevents from riding/driving).

I haven't backed this up though... any cops on here want to weigh in?

7 minutes is the attention span of the average idiot ... the time usually needed to get the basic information from them ...

The bigger idiots need longer stops to get the necessary information from them. Some of those can be held up for an hour or more ... ;)

[Akzle]

7 minutes is the attention span of the average idiot ... the time usually needed to get the basic information from them ...

The bigger idiots need longer stops to get the necessary information from them. Some of those can be held up for an hour or more ... ;)

fuck. And then some.
Try telling them you are not a corporate person and ergo not incorporated with a name,
or explaining that they have a duty to recognise the extent of their jurisdiction... Fucking morons will stand beside your door for fuken ages!

[FJRider]

... Fucking morons will stand beside your door for fuken ages!




I rest my case ... :cool:

[SNF]

oh g'wan.,.. Tell us how you really feel

I just did! Feel good. Seriously though, what if I hadn't been able to run?

[bogan]

Its fucking stupid. Half the idiots don't even know what is legal and what was not. Try and explain, I don't get smart I'm always polite and respectful. But they don't have a bar of it and get all shitty. Power trip much? They don't even help you when you need them as I found.....

A while back a bunch of 5 dickheads probably drunk or on acid/meths/their own ass, decided to randomly punch me while walking through a park after getting some lunch in Palmerston North. I was driving back in my friends car and he was driving a car he'd just got back up to Auckland. I really don't get the reason, they didn't jump me/take anything. Just all who the fuck are you etc and then started dancing and such. Didn't feel much like a waltz that day myself and there were 5 of them so I never really had a chance. Started running. Got given a couple of hits but I wasn't going to give any back as there were 5 of the cunts.

Just across the road a cop was ticketing someone. I kid you not. Cop didn't do a thing though , I was suprized once they started hitting me I was yelling - couldn't really fight back with 5:1 odds. Even when I marched over highly fucked off and pointed to the pricks who were running away and getting into a shitty silver Primera, I was even reading the plate to the damn pig. Demanded he arrest them. Nope, it seems a ticket was far more important than me getting bashed by a pack of cunts!

Safer communities my ass what a fucking joke, can't even get that right:finger:

To be fair to the cop though, the guy he was currently ticketing might have actually paid it, the other 5 pricks probably would have left their wet bus ticket to go all soggy and disintegrate.

[Mushu]

Actually, no.

Simply allowing the exhaust gases to escape quicker (and therefore allowing the engine to breathe easier) will give a power increase without any work done to the carb.

I would guess an exhaust which flows better than standard would allow more air through your engine, without a carby adjustment this would throw off the air fuel ratio and rob the engine of power and since it would be running lean it would also run hotter and have a higher chance of pinging which would further reduce power.

[scracha]

The cops are well aware of this tactic, and they often have a chase car parked up with its engine idling just for people like that. Then, they'll put you under far more scrutiny as they'll think you've got something to hide for being evasive.


Done a U at a checkpoint twice now. Cops flash their lights and do their starsky impression and catch up pretty quick. Told cops I simply was running late for a customer and couldn't afford to spend an extra 15 minutes at their checkpoint AGAIN in the MIDDLE OF THE FUCKIN DAY. Besides, if I was drunk then the queue was so long that I could see there was a checkpoint before the previous junction. Didn't seem pleased but it's not illegal.

General advice though....don't talk to police. Most are ok but there's a fair few who pretend they're being nice n' shit but will twist everything you say and add a few embellishments when it matters in court. (politely) Tell them just the legal minimum and keep gob shut, then they've nothing to go on. It's amazing how many people talk themselves into getting a ticket.

[pritch]

Brit magazine dyno'd several bikes with various after market cans. The best ones gave a 3hp increase some actually gave less than standard.

Nobody can feel a paltry increase like that, it's a lot of money to pay for so little. You could get almost as much increase in power by changing fom a 50 weight oil to a 40 weight oil.

[Katman]

I would guess an exhaust which flows better than standard would allow more air through your engine, without a carby adjustment this would throw off the air fuel ratio and rob the engine of power and since it would be running lean it would also run hotter and have a higher chance of pinging which would further reduce power.

When you open up an exhaust that is currently strangling the engine (as is the case with the standard muffler on the DR650) then you get a better running engine without even touching the intake side.

[Mushu]

Brit magazine dyno'd several bikes with various after market cans. The best ones gave a 3hp increase some actually gave less than standard.

Nobody can feel a paltry increase like that, it's a lot of money to pay for so little. You could get almost as much increase in power by changing fom a 50 weight oil to a 40 weight oil.

I rode a couple of other DR650s when my brother in law was looking at buying one for his first bike (actually I test rode quite a few bikes for him as he did not yet have a license). I found no real difference between my DR and the others I rode in terms of power, I think the real benefit is actually the weight saving as the aftermarket one weighs less than half what the standard one does. As a bonus the aftermarket can also has a spark arrester and is very loud, actually maybe a bit too loud if I'm honest.

[yevjenko]

7 minutes is the attention span of the average idiot ... the time usually needed to get the basic information from them ...

The bigger idiots need longer stops to get the necessary information from them. Some of those can be held up for an hour or more ... ;)

I wish I had the reference but it is based on reasonable length of time to detain... or some bollox

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[scumdog]

I was told when I first moved here that the cops are only allowed to keep you for 7 minutes when they pull you over. That you are legally allowed to say 'post me the fine' and ride off (assuming they are not pulling you for offence that prevents from riding/driving).

I haven't backed this up though... any cops on here want to weigh in?

Double that

and add another minute....

[Mushu]

Double that

and add another minute....

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

[Akzle]

I wish I had the reference but it is based on reasonable length of time to detain... or some bollox

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by legislation they have a right to detain you long enough 'to confirm your idemtity'
which means, find a corporate person to post a notice of infringement. That would be what you consider 'your identifying particulars'
name of company, date of incorporation, address for service and line of business/commerce/occupation.

[Akzle]

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

fuck hanging around. If youve done no harm, then dont stop, or stop and wave them past.
Learn your rights plebian!

[Scuba_Steve]

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

no it's a guide, it pretty much comes under then having "reasonable time to confirm your identity" as unless their arresting you they cannot legally detain you.
All these checks they do while "confirming your identity" are starting to push it a bit, but until someone challenges it in court well...

[Scuba_Steve]

fuck hanging around. If youve done no harm, then dont stop, or stop and wave them past.
Learn your rights plebian!

biggest problem is learning the PIGs their rights; it almost seems as if ya gotta be a dunce to work in the legal system

[R650R]

Ask the truck driver I stopped in Thames on Wednesday if he minded being stopped and if he felt his time had been "stolen". Found a split left front brake hose pumping all the fluid out every time he braked. Was just heading for the Coromandel loop too. Want to meet his truck on ya bike when he runs out of brakes?
He didn't even object to a seatbelt ticket. Was just very grateful I possibly saved his or somebody else's life. Good thing I'm a qualified mechanic as well as a :Police:

I hear you... and there are probably even some better analogies than that, like certain trucks blowing retarder oil or high pressure diesel leaks...
Anyway what I'm saying is doing it random at roadside is a bit hit and miss especially when those checkpoints are easily avoided on many routes...
Surprised with so many UK cops that their ways haven't been adopted like visiting depot and getting the big picture all at once. So many of our 'road safety' things are ambulance at the bottom of the cliff approach.
And now we're taking away the fence at the top too by letting 'good' operators do their own COFs...

[Akzle]

biggest problem is learning the PIGs their rights; it almost seems as if ya gotta be a dunce to work in the legal system

im at about 30% success with them, actually.
Not calling them pigs might help my case.
Ignorant motherfuckers, but not pigs :sherlock:

[R650R]

Tell them just the legal minimum and keep gob shut, then they've nothing to go on. It's amazing how many people talk themselves into getting a ticket.

Know of a driver (driver C) that couldn't help himself but mention that his DG load plan didn't match what was on trailer at weighbridge when cops weren't even opening his curtains. Driver A had loaded truck unit at chem depo bought it back to yard, made mistake of leaving loadplan in truck. Forklift drivers rearranged load slightly to consolidate freight, didn't make a new loadplan. Driver C ends up not getting ticket but driver A and forklift driver get nailed couple k each.
Another driver I know argued a few km/h over a ticket and kept mentioning his GPS, nek minnit they downloading his GPS and 300 odd infringements, lucky for him a technical error saw case thrown out in court...

[DnosAAAA]

Knobbly Bulged brake lines, tyres bald or cracked or have significant tread mismatch( i.e running pilot powers front, pilot road 2 rear as i am may be a no no soon) leaky forks and reservoirs are the only things policed so it not all that bad. providing you look after you're bike you will be sweet, But if some prick who does'nt know sheeet about bikes or even the car hes driving starts pointing at my pepsi max catch can saying "thats pretty dangerous" i would take it out and drink it and by like "nah its my drink holder mate, what are you on?"

[Akzle]

starts pointing at my pepsi max catch can saying "thats pretty dangerous" i would take it out and drink it and by like "nah its my drink holder mate, what are you on?"

probably wouldnt go down so well with my db can...

[Erelyes]

If you weren't such a lazy cunt you would have walked and avoided it all

I know. Too fuckin' lazy to even lock the door on the way out.

Mushu I wonder if your keyboard warrior attidude was displayed to the cop that pulled you over. My money's that you were as mouse.


probably wouldnt go down so well with my db can...

Nah man. You can be drivin' down the road drinking a can of double brouge and be totally within your rights, as long as BAC is under the legal limit and you're not in a liquor ban zone. Drink away.

[jasonu]

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

Except if you do buggar off the pigs will stop you again, smash your tail light with their minto bar and write you a ticket for it.

[GrayWolf]

How about fines relative to income. Surely fines are a financial punishment for breaking the law so shouldn't the inconvenience of paying a fine be the same for everybody. $100 means very different things to the low income earner as opposed to the exec earning 100k +

As far as the topic of this thread goes, I don't mind the idea of road side checks. It would keep a lot of unroadworthy cars off the road and make people think about maintaining their cars better - especially older vehicles. But the idea makes the current WOF system completely redundant. I wonder how the accident statistics in QLD (where they have no regular vehicle checks) differ from other areas in terms of mechanical failures causing accidents.

How about those who cannot afford to maintain the vehicle they have, instead of buying a shitbox Soobarooo GT/WRX/ Mitsi Evo mk1, or toyota starlet with shitty big bore exhaust, knackered smoking engines, then put $3000 blinged low profile chrome wheels, backyard 'lowering kits', 10,000 watt stereo's with 20 X 15inch sub-woofers, matt black spraycan paint jobs, etc etc.. actually buying a car they CAN afford to run?
well fuck me, there's sensible for you......
Most people I know earning a wage good enough to actually buy 'recent' expensive cars, CAN afford to run them. So yes, lets make the fines relative, you want to play with the 'big boys' and buy a 20yr old+ knackered shitbox 'power car', then you should pay fines commensurate to the lack of maintenance you haven't invested!!!

It's funny you are complaining about the fines in one paragraph, then agree with 'roadside' checks in the next...

My only 'concern' if any, would be I know in the UK, Traffic Police are all specially trained, I wonder if our resident 'Officers' can confirm they also get mechanical knowledge training as part of the procedure?

[jahrasti]

Except if you do buggar off the pigs will stop you again, smash your tail light with their minto bar and write you a ticket for it.

You must be old, or is it enlightened :bleh:. Not many peeps would call it that any more.

Hell they don't even carry one as a matter or right anymore.

[Akzle]

Hell they don't even carry one as a matter or right anymore.

the old 24/7 night sticks are gone. Unwieldly for lame ass jews.
Now they have collapsable steel batons.
Good behind the knees.

[willytheekid]

. ...Good behind the knees.

...FOR SCRATCHES?!?:eek:

[BoristheBiter]

...FOR SCRATCHES?!?:eek:

That's about how effective they are.

There was a 10/7 episode when they used them some big fuck off poly fulla and he just laugh at the cps and walked back inside.

[Akzle]

That's about how effective they are.

There was a 10/7 episode when they used them some big fuck off poly fulla and he just laugh at the cps and walked back inside.

probably cos they were incompetent bitch cops. Id put the cunt down.

[BoristheBiter]

probably cos they were incompetent bitch cops. Id put the cunt down.

What with your airgun?

[Akzle]

What with your airgun?

no. With a collasable steel baton. Try and keep up.

(fj beat you to it, by at least a year, you fkn retard)

[BoristheBiter]

no. With a collasable steel baton. Try and keep up.

(fj beat you to it, by at least a year, you fkn retard)

You're the fucken retard, on a bike forum and no bike.:motu:

[Akzle]

You're the fucken retard, on a bike forum and no bike.:motu:

i have 3.5.
Try and keep up.

[jahrasti]

the old 24/7 night sticks are gone. Unwieldly for lame ass jews.
Now they have collapsable steel batons.
Good behind the knees.

No they aren't. They were called PR24's as in 24 inches. Now they are just called side handle batons.

One of the best piece's of kit in the arsenal. People drop like a sack of shit.


probably cos they were incompetent bitch cops. Id put the cunt down.

Really? I believe that you would put them down. The general consensus is that people with strong wrists are proficient :laugh:

[Akzle]

No they aren't. They were called PR24's as in 24 inches.


24 long, and guess how long the "side handle" is?
(hint, starts with s and rhymes with seven)

yes they can be used effectively, kidney shots particularly.
But i qualified that with a statement about the capacity of the user, innit.

Better luck next time jew.

[scumdog]

probably cos they were incompetent bitch cops. Id put the cunt down.


Funny how those that couldn't/won't do the job are the mouthiest at proclaiming how well THEY would do it....and shit.:shifty::rolleyes:

[scumdog]

the old 24/7 night sticks are gone. Unwieldly for lame ass jews.
Now they have collapsable steel batons.
Good behind the knees.

'night sticks'? sheesh, next you'll update to Modnadnoks...and shit.:bleh:

[Akzle]

Funny how those that couldn't/won't do the job are the mouthiest at proclaiming how well THEY would do it....and shit.:shifty::rolleyes:

i absolutely would not be gainfully employed to enforce crown policy ("do the job")

i would could and can, put a fat fuck down with a bit of brass.

[scumdog]

i absolutely would not be gainfully employed to enforce crown policy ("do the job")

i would could and can, put a fat fuck down with a bit of brass.

Whatever.....

[newbie2012]

So let's get this right. There are riders here bitching about the police running checkpoints for checking safety of vehicles and drivers, then saying in the same post that they were actually on an illegal bike or over the limit, yet pleading how hard done they are.

To those riders: You knowingly break the law and run the risk, so here is a reality check - have you considered that it is you that the police are trying to catch at the checkpoints, while law abiding road users have to queue. Fuck, get a grip, instead of bitching like a spoilt kid.

Here's a radical thought - if they catch a single knob who has drunk too much or using an unsafe vehicle then that is one less idiot on the road that we all have to worry about. Yeah, the checkpoints may hold us up for a bit, but shit, so do traffic lights and rush hour traffic (well, unless you are on a bike and lane splitting, but that is best left to another thread).

[Mushu]

I know. Too fuckin' lazy to even lock the door on the way out.

Mushu I wonder if your keyboard warrior attidude was displayed to the cop that pulled you over. My money's that you were as mouse.

Not to lazy, wanted the door open for a reason and should've been gone for only 10 min which I am confident my dog would slow a thief down atleast that long.

You're partially right, I usually assume a cop will find some thing to fine me for if given reason to look so I am very polite so as not to upset them. If they are already looking for a reason I will argue the point if I think they are being unreasonable.

[Mushu]

How about those who cannot afford to maintain the vehicle they have, instead of buying a shitbox Soobarooo GT/WRX/ Mitsi Evo mk1, or toyota starlet with shitty big bore exhaust, knackered smoking engines, then put $3000 blinged low profile chrome wheels, backyard 'lowering kits', 10,000 watt stereo's with 20 X 15inch sub-woofers, matt black spraycan paint jobs, etc etc.. actually buying a car they CAN afford to run?
well fuck me, there's sensible for you......
Most people I know earning a wage good enough to actually buy 'recent' expensive cars, CAN afford to run them. So yes, lets make the fines relative, you want to play with the 'big boys' and buy a 20yr old+ knackered shitbox 'power car', then you should pay fines commensurate to the lack of maintenance you haven't invested!!!

It's funny you are complaining about the fines in one paragraph, then agree with 'roadside' checks in the next...

My only 'concern' if any, would be I know in the UK, Traffic Police are all specially trained, I wonder if our resident 'Officers' can confirm they also get mechanical knowledge training as part of the procedure?

Yea, sure come down on the boy racers, that is fine but they aren't going to pay the fine anyway and they aren't all of the low income earners. What about students, parents, laborers, fast food workers there are plenty of low paid people out there and if they deserve to loose half their wage because of a fine that is a major inconvenience possibly one they deserve, shouldn't a high income earner suffer the same inconvenience for the same offense. I wasn't talking about fines related to maintenance, just fines in general, particularly for dangerous driving offenses (running red lights and things like that).

Not really complaining about fines anyway just pointing out that the value of money (and hence it's ability to inconvenience and usefulness as a punishment) can be very different for different people.

And yes I do like the idea of roadside safety checks. My vehicles are not without their problems and may not always even be registered or legal (such as my highly dangerous exhaust) and I will (albeit begrudgingly) pay any fines given to me for such offenses but I can guarantee if I am driving/riding that vehicle on the road that the brakes, tires and suspension are always in good order.


So let's get this right. There are riders here bitching about the police running checkpoints for checking safety of vehicles and drivers, then saying in the same post that they were actually on an illegal bike or over the limit, yet pleading how hard done they are.

To those riders: You knowingly break the law and run the risk, so here is a reality check - have you considered that it is you that the police are trying to catch at the checkpoints, while law abiding road users have to queue. Fuck, get a grip, instead of bitching like a spoilt kid.

Here's a radical thought - if they catch a single knob who has drunk too much or using an unsafe vehicle then that is one less idiot on the road that we all have to worry about. Yeah, the checkpoints may hold us up for a bit, but shit, so do traffic lights and rush hour traffic (well, unless you are on a bike and lane splitting, but that is best left to another thread).

I'm not entirely against checkpoints, just stated that I will try to avoid them whenever I can get away with it.

Yes my bike is illegal, atleast technically but since my gripe in that particular case was about being lectured about how it sounded like I was speeding before he saw me and then a lengthy "discussion" on whether a DR650 is on the LAMS list, why should his ignorance allow him to hold me there for an unreasonable amount of time (if I can't plead ignorant if I get pulled up on an illegal bike) the fact the exhaust excludes it from the list and he didn't notice it further speaks to his ignorance (and in no way significantly affects the performance of my bike) what would you expect me to do? Tell him about the exhaust and beg him to give me a fine and maybe some points for my license.

[Akzle]

Here's a radical thought - if they catch a single knob who has drunk too much or using an unsafe vehicle then that is one less idiot on the road that we all have to worry about. Yeah, the checkpoints may hold us up for a bit, but shit, so do traffic lights and rush hour traffic (well, unless you are on a bike and lane splitting, but that is best left to another thread).

Those who would give up
essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

[GrayWolf]

Those who would give up
essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

So if I am to accept your argument of roadside checks etc are giving up an essential? liberty, for a temporary safety?

I guess, that you'd be happy for me to turn up to my employment, do my 'required' walk through inspection, note a mechanical fault of a serious, or semi serious nature, due to a failure or bad maintenance, but then carry on and drive my train with you and up to 1,000 people on board?


full of it, much!!

[Akzle]

So if I am to accept your argument of roadside checks etc are giving up an essential? liberty, for a temporary safety?

I guess, that you'd be happy for me to turn up to my employment, do my 'required' walk through inspection, note a mechanical fault of a serious, or semi serious nature, due to a failure or bad maintenance, but then carry on and drive my train with you and up to 1,000 people on board?


full of it, much!!

extrapolation much!!

Fact 1: checkpoints and/or stasi do not cause a " knob who has drunk too much or using an unsafe vehicle" to become "one
less idiot on the road"
-perhaps if there was some kind of effective system whereby "justice" could be administered... But there isnt.
Qed: the number of drunk and/or idiots and/or women on the road.

Fact 2: theres no crown profit in road safety.

I never said checking a vehicles suitability for purpose was a waste of time. Just that cops doing it at checkpoints, which inconviniences every nigger, is.

But i think you proved everyone elses point. You as the driver should be aware/checking your vehicle. What you do after that falls entirely to you.

[BoristheBiter]

i have 3.5.
Try and keep up.

Parts don't count but then neither do you.

[jahrasti]

24 long, and guess how long the "side handle" is?
(hint, starts with s and rhymes with seven)

yes they can be used effectively, kidney shots particularly.
But i qualified that with a statement about the capacity of the user, innit.

Better luck next time jew.

Well actually know all of know all shit, it is the same size but thats it. The pivot ring, the construction its all different but hey you would know.

Umm sorry champ but if you are using one for a "kidney shot" which I assume you are referring to a short end punch, then there are much more effective strikes. But hey once again you would know.

Better luck next time friend :drinknsin. Can we be friends on bebobook? we could share status updates and add photos on Instagram with the hashtag #akzleblowsgoats

[GrayWolf]

extrapolation much!!

Fact 1: checkpoints and/or stasi do not cause a " knob who has drunk too much or using an unsafe vehicle" to become "one
less idiot on the road"
-perhaps if there was some kind of effective system whereby "justice" could be administered... But there isnt.
Qed: the number of drunk and/or idiots and/or women on the road.

Fact 2: theres no crown profit in road safety.

I never said checking a vehicles suitability for purpose was a waste of time. Just that cops doing it at checkpoints, which inconviniences every nigger, is.

But i think you proved everyone elses point. You as the driver should be aware/checking your vehicle. What you do after that falls entirely to you.

Which proves my point, that, as so many DONT perfrom checks, or maintain their vehicles, they are a potential danger to the rest of us, ergo, Police checks which hamper the progress of everyone else are sadly required...
I'm sure if relatives/friends of yours were killed in an accident by a numbnuts with a seriously defective car, you'd want some kind of 'action' to prevent a recurrence.

[Akzle]

I'm sure if relatives/friends of yours were killed in an accident by a numbnuts with a seriously defective car, you'd want some kind of 'action' to prevent a recurrence.

statistically thats <1% likely,
its more likely to be a woman/azn/old bitch/metrosexual/townie "man" in a fully functional (driver excepted) suv/other.
So why dont the cops fuck up everyones day to stop women driving suvs? Why are they even allowed to import them? Why are arrogant innatentive cunts allowed cars or licenses?

Like i sais, theres no profit in actual safety.

[Akzle]

Well actually know all of know all shit, it is the same size but thats it. The pivot ring, the construction its all different but hey you would know.

Umm sorry champ but if you are using one for a "kidney shot" which I assume you are referring to a short end punch, then there are much more effective strikes. But hey once again you would know.

Better luck next time friend :drinknsin. Can we be friends on bebobook? we could share status updates and add photos on Instagram with the hashtag #akzleblowsgoats

good english bro.
Bet id have you crying like a girl /internally haemorhaging (which fuken greek jew was responsible for that word??) with a kidney shot.

Unfortunately i dont have bebobook or instagram
#akzleblowsgoatsawaywithadirtythirtybiyatch

[FJRider]

Fact 1: checkpoints and/or stasi do not cause a " knob who has drunk too much or using an unsafe vehicle" to become "one less idiot on the road"

Until they start impounding said "Unsafe vehicles" from the checkpoints ... they do remain on the road with said idiot still driving it ....

If found intoxicated ... the car remains on the side of the road ... with the driver forbidden to drive for the required time ...


-perhaps if there was some kind of effective system whereby "justice" could be administered... But there isnt.
Qed: the number of drunk and/or idiots and/or women on the road.

As you say ... there isn't ... so the checkpoints will continue. Until Police/Government come up with a viable alternative ... (don't hold your breath until they can/do)


Fact 2: theres no crown profit in road safety.

There is indeed ... the checkpoints are funded within Police's current budget. Fines however go into the Government treasury ... money for jam ... so to speak.


I never said checking a vehicles suitability for purpose was a waste of time. Just that cops doing it at checkpoints, which inconviniences every nigger, is.

And inconveniences the guilty niggers too ... more that of the innocent niggers though. All the innocent lose is a few minutes of their busy pathetic winging lives ...


But i think you proved everyone elses point. You as the driver should be aware/checking your vehicle. What you do after that falls entirely to you.

No need to check ... the sticker says it's safe until August ... right .. ?? :innocent:

Some don't even check the oil levels ... or know how to ..

[SMOKEU]

The cops can and do hold people up for up to several hours at a time at "checkpoints". Once I was held up for about 3-4 hours as the cops were checking every car over.

[newbie2012]

The cops can and do hold people up for up to several hours at a time at "checkpoints". Once I was held up for about 3-4 hours as the cops were checking every car over.

That would suck, and support Akzle's angle on liberty. I was thinking more of a few minutes delay, but still maintain the overall rationale is sound - sounds like other KBers have seen poor execution of the checkpoints, which may be the real issue ?

[FJRider]

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

Before you get excited when you feel the officer has "detained" you long enough ... Failing to remain stopped for an enforcement officer ... can get you 35 shiny new demerit points ... :lol:

[felixx]

I ride a Scooter
It doesnt need a wof
I keep it up to scratch infact I probably am more aware of the conditions of ALL of the bits the WOF man would check on that thing for 2 reasons;
1) it is up to me to check it
2) if I dont check it and something fails and I run over a kid I would cry lots

However I know the scooter will pass any roadside check (except for rowdy expansion chamber perhaps, but loud pipes save lives and all that)
But most WOFs on our cars something trips me up and I need to get it fixed

If it makes the road safer its OK

If the cop has wrongly ticketed me and I need to pay for inspection and it passes, I would invoice the police for the inspection fee, or perhaps even take the officer in question to the small claims court

[pzkpfw]

... If the cop has wrongly ticketed me and I need to pay for inspection and it passes, I would invoice the police for the inspection fee, or perhaps even take the officer in question to the small claims court

Like when the AA eye test machine fails you and you need to spend $40 at your optometrist just to get another bit of paper that says, actually, your eyes are fine with the glasses that optometrist prescribed for you, and you can go bill the AA for the cost?

Sigh.

[bogan]

Like when the AA eye test machine fails you and you need to spend $40 at your optometrist just to get another bit of paper that says, actually, your eyes are fine with the glasses that optometrist prescribed for you, and you can go bill the AA for the cost?

Sigh.

Go to the doctors and get a medical, it's cheaper (and required anyway for HT stuff).

[Katman]

If the cop has wrongly ticketed me and I need to pay for inspection and it passes, I would invoice the police for the inspection fee, or perhaps even take the officer in question to the small claims court

Good luck with that.

It happens already. If a cop decides that your exhaust sounds too loud (remember, it's a purely subjective matter - he doesn't have to have a dB meter) he can order you to have it tested.

Even if it passes the decibel test, it's at the owner's expense.

[kiwi cowboy]

Just watched the video on the police website and it worries me that its all up to the cop what he decides.

In one part of the video it says about the bodywork being safe and shows a photo of a {among others} small crack in what looks like a plastic part above a light that is very small but the cop could make you get it fixed when looking at it its not a danger to anything.

If a cop wanted to be a wanker he could cause a lot of fucking around with having to get shit fixed or tested at the motorists expence not only in dollars but in having to travel from out of town all the way to popo station to show its fixed.

I have respect for the work cops do and yes I did get a speeding ticket a while ago (first in 30 years:bleh:) and was polite and so was the cop but I can see more time spent on these inspections and even less on crime solving leaving more robberies and that sort of shit not even looked at due to time constraints.

[FJRider]

I ride a Scooter
It doesnt need a wof


If the cop has wrongly ticketed me and I need to pay for inspection and it passes, I would invoice the police for the inspection fee, or perhaps even take the officer in question to the small claims court

You mean it is not legally required to have a WOF ... need is very subjective.

If an officer wrongly tickets you ... there are proper channels to go through to make a complaint. They are not always correct in the decisions on ticketing ... but if in THEIR judgement (at the time) they believe you should be ticketed ... you WILL be.

Want to argue the ticket ... no problem ... do nothing and fight it ... and appear in court ... and have your say. THAT is YOUR right.


Good luck with that ...

[Akzle]

and appear in court ... and have your say. THAT is YOUR right.

fuckoff. I have way more rights than that.

[FJRider]

fuckoff. I have way more rights than that.

YOUR right to remain silent is seldom utilized ... try it sometime ... SOON ... :bleh:

[BoristheBiter]

And in a site like that it's funny with similar pages for Christians and Muslims etc.

But using Jew as a derogatory term is just ridiculous.

I had hoped 14 year olds were better than that if they have the brains to ride a bike

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Two things you need to know when dealing with arsele,
He's full of shit and he doesn't have a bike, unless you count his mother.

[yevjenko]

Two things you need to know when dealing with arsele,
He's full of shit and he doesn't have a bike, unless you count his mother.

Well played!

[kiwi cowboy]

You mean it is not legally required to have a WOF ... need is very subjective.

If an officer wrongly tickets you ... there are proper channels to go through to make a complaint. They are not always correct in the decisions on ticketing ... but if in THEIR judgement (at the time) they believe you should be ticketed ... you WILL be.

Want to argue the ticket ... no problem ... do nothing and fight it ... and appear in court ... and have your say. THAT is YOUR right.


Good luck with that ...

The officer shouldn't wrongly ticket you.
He/she should know the fucking law there upholding.
Yes I can fight it if I don't agree with a ticket but again that takes MY time off work at MY expense with no come back on the issuing officer if there found to be in the wrong.:girlfight::devil2:

[FJRider]

The officer shouldn't INTENTIONALLY wrongly ticket you.


There ... fixed it for you.

All police are NOT aware of all legislation (as it is written in legislation) so get over it. If you can't be bothered with due process to correct the mistaken (or otherwise) belief/actions of an Officer ... that's your issue.

In most cases ... the "Don't agree" part is NOT about innocence ... merely about being caught. Often with a facet of legislation not often prosecuted ...

[FJRider]

If you consider jew to be anything approaching endearment, you're probably one of them and should hang yourself.

We've never considered you with anything (even faintly) approaching endearment ... but still hope for that same result ... <_<

[Akzle]

What's with all this Jew business?


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i dont know, people keep buying into it, stupid really, seeing how much problems they cause, but oh well.
credit to the 1% who can gull the 99 into being complacent dipshits, i guess. Its a free market, innit.

Sent from a nokia while touching my penis.

[Laava]

oh dear satan.

I'm being self deprecating, using your comments as vernacular reference point to make myself feel more involved with the kbmunity, its a coping mechanism based in denial whereby i dont have to think seriously about your critique of personality differences i should obviously feel bad about because they dont conform to your (travelled but still narrow) world view.

No, wait. I mean. Fuckit, i've got the munchies.

So, what are you? The worlds most enlightened stoner?
And by the way, you know nothing about my world view. You only hear what you want to hear and sadly blame everything you don,t like on the jews. Who, ironically, you seem incredibly jealous of.

[yevjenko]

you must be new here.
e.d. is all the facts.
If you consider jew to be anything approaching endearment, you're probably one of them and should hang yourself.

New here? No. Been here a LOT longer than you have.

Racism in whatever form doesn't have a place anywhere, not even in the sport of trolls

[Akzle]

New here? No. Been here a LOT longer than you have.

Racism in whatever form doesn't have a place anywhere, not even in the sport of trolls

its not racism. Anyone can choose to be a jew. or not.

And bad taste is exactly in the way of winning trolls.

[Akzle]

What's with all this Jew business?


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i dont know, people keep buying into it, stupid really, seeing how much problems they cause, but oh well.
credit to the 1% who can gull the 99 into being complacent dipshits, i guess. Its a free market, innit.

Sent from a nokia while touching my penis.

[kiwi cowboy]

There ... fixed it for you.

All police are NOT aware of all legislation (as it is written in legislation) so get over it. If you can't be bothered with due process to correct the mistaken (or otherwise) belief/actions of an Officer ... that's your issue.

In most cases ... the "Don't agree" part is NOT about innocence ... merely about being caught. Often with a facet of legislation not often prosecuted ...

hey I didn't agree with the speeding ticket I got a while back because I was watching the road coming around a corner and over a rise and my speed crept up but I paid because I WAS doing the speed.

What I don't agree with is a cop writing a ticket without knowing the law on that particular subject which costs the posably innocent motorist in time and expense to fight it in court so ether way the pleb loses.

[FJRider]

What I don't agree with is a cop writing a ticket without knowing the law on that particular subject which costs the posably innocent motorist in time and expense to fight it in court so ether way the pleb loses.

If you refer to the Christchurch member on the 650 dirt bike riding within the LAM's reg's .. as I recall ... no ticket was issued.

Sad fact ... argue with plod to waste their time for stopping you ... and they will make every effort to waste Yours ... :yes:

[kiwi cowboy]

If you refer to the Christchurch member on the 650 dirt bike riding within the LAM's reg's .. as I recall ... no ticket was issued.

Sad fact ... argue with plod to waste their time for stopping you ... and they will make every effort to waste Yours ... :yes:

No I may have worded it wrong and im trolling a bit any:shutup:way.

I was referring to my previous post with the small crack.
If the cop wanted to he could ticket the person and waste there time having to get it fixed or getting a warrant inspection when its only arrrrrrr fuck it I pissed now and cant concentrate:laugh::violin:

[FJRider]

No I may have worded it wrong and im trolling a bit any:shutup:way.

I'm glad you know what you think you mean ... I however ... :beer:


I was referring to my previous post with the small crack.
If the cop wanted to he could ticket the person and waste there time having to get it fixed or getting a warrant inspection when its only arrrrrrr fuck it I pissed now and cant concentrate:laugh::violin:

And he had NO reason to stop you ... right .. ??? :scratch:

[Brian d marge]

If I get my bike inspected by the plod , I want a sticker , and im not , should not, need/get another sticker from Alcoholic Anonymous

User pays

If I use the plod , AA can go begging

Stephen

[Jantar]

.....Another driver I know argued a few km/h over a ticket and kept mentioning his GPS, nek minnit they downloading his GPS and 300 odd infringements, lucky for him a technical error saw case thrown out in court...
The "technical error" was downloading his GPS without a search warrant. Unless they have reasonable cause to suspect an offence has been committed, they have no right to download any GPS without permission. Once GPS evidence is submitted in court, they do have a right to examine that evidence, but not to go fishing in case there is some other offence that might be discovered.
However, remember that if you do intend to use GPS evidence in court, you should mention it at the time of receiving the ticket, and note the exact GPS time and location. This is to give the police the assurance that GPS evidence isn't made 5 minutes after the alledged event.

[rastuscat]

This has wandered a bit, and I haven't read it all.

Whats the big deal? When I got the job in 1988 I was expected to check all the things they are talking about now as a matter of course. It was expected, as part of my job.

Now it's a big deal when cops are expected to check your tyre tread condition.

WTF?

[FJRider]

This has wandered a bit, and I haven't read it all.

Whats the big deal? When I got the job in 1988 I was expected to check all the things they are talking about now as a matter of course. It was expected, as part of my job.

Now it's a big deal when cops are expected to check your tyre tread condition.

WTF?

Was that in the day when "Things" were Black and White ... ??

A few people can't get their head around the idea that the WOF declared that vehicle "Safe" at the time of testing. And should it be found/known to be unsafe ... it is illegal to continue to use it.

They may even be aware the tread is a little low ... or one of the brake lights isn't working ... or ... :pinch:


But the sticker says ... :whistle:

[rastuscat]

The behaviour of some of our fellow road users has led to skepticism about the value of the WoF.

Like, a young car enthusiast takes his Cefiro with double overhead grease nipples to get a WoF. Flys through.

Then he goes home and changes the wheels, the doors, the muffler and anything else that makes his ride cool.

A cop stops him for having tints too dark, and for racing slicks etc, and the kid whines "But it just got a new warrant".

The cop has learned that a WoF is worth anything only when it is issued.

So thats how we got to where we are today.

[pzkpfw]

The behaviour of some of our fellow road users has led to skepticism about the value of the WoF.

Like, a young car enthusiast takes his Cefiro with double overhead grease nipples to get a WoF. Flys through.

Then he goes home and changes the wheels, the doors, the muffler and anything else that makes his ride cool.

A cop stops him for having tints too dark, and for racing slicks etc, and the kid whines "But it just got a new warrant".

The cop has learned that a WoF is worth anything only when it is issued.

So thats how we got to where we are today.

Yeah, I've had my car tyres (and stuff) checked at random Police stops since forever; even back when a teenager (in the 80's) and stopped for just aimlessly driving around town and getting noticed. (Never been found to be in un-WOF'd condition).

All I would personally want to see is "discretion".

e.g. catch boy (or other) racer with car as described in your post - issue them a ticket.

e.g. catch Joe Public with way out bald tyres with bits of steel wire showing - issue them a ticket.

e.g. catch Joe Public with a tyre they should have noticed, but really it's just below spec and would have been fine at last WOF time - issue them a warning to go get it replaced.

Softly softly on the small stuff.


Have you ever ticketed someone for a blown brake light? (I would guess not, unless they were an arse or you'd met them before.)

[Tazz]

The behaviour of some of our fellow road users has led to skepticism about the value of the WoF.

Like, a young car enthusiast takes his Cefiro with double overhead grease nipples to get a WoF. Flys through.

Then he goes home and changes the wheels, the doors, the muffler and anything else that makes his ride cool.

A cop stops him for having tints too dark, and for racing slicks etc, and the kid whines "But it just got a new warrant".

The cop has learned that a WoF is worth anything only when it is issued.

So thats how we got to where we are today.

It it more the direction of focus that annoys me. So many things that get swept under the rug or you get the impression that some officers just can't be arsed dealing with, but you can guarantee they will have time to ticket you for rolling through a stop sign or doing 5k over the speed limit.
Not saying traffic enforcement and Police presence on the road doesn't keep some people in check and probably save a few lives, but there are other duties that could have the same results if given even half the attention, or at least get more public back on side which in itself potentially helps solves crime doesn't it?

[BoristheBiter]

It it more the direction of focus that annoys me. So many things that get swept under the rug or you get the impression that some officers just can't be arsed dealing with, but you can guarantee they will have time to ticket you for rolling through a stop sign or doing 5k over the speed limit.
Not saying traffic enforcement and Police presence on the road doesn't keep some people in check and probably save a few lives, but there are other duties that could have the same results if given even half the attention, or at least get more public back on side which in itself potentially helps solves crime doesn't it?

So what you are saying is you don't think the police should have discretion then.

[Tazz]

So what you are saying is you don't think the police should have discretion then.

Eh? WTF has discretion got to do with being to lazy to deal anything other than what is required as an absolute minimum performance? Pretty sure cops would have fark all paper work for traffic infringements these days, but I can't say I have first hand knowledge of the process to be fair.

I'm meaning cases that get handed from officer to officer, particularly car theft, where they have an actual lead, as in a name, an address and a warrant, evidence from a wrecker, and they don't do anything for two years and then ring and say it is to late to do anything.
That I can say I have knowledge about and there is some major spanner in the system to let that kind of crap happen.

[rastuscat]

Blast from the past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW4eBivtQEs

Good afterbull consternoon

[Muppet]

Blast from the past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW4eBivtQEs

Good afterbull consternoon

I never knew Billy T was a Traffic Cop (at 2.05)

[R650R]

The "technical error" was downloading his GPS without a search warrant.

Oh they had a warrant and the powers to do so...