Lies v Bullshit

[Lou Girardin]

I read an interesting article in the Listener about a new book called the Rise of Political Lying.
It discusses how we start to lie, how even animals do it. Koko the gorilla, who was trained to use sign language, ripped a hand basin out of her cell in frustration. When she was asked about it, she signed that that the cat did it.
Then they talk about bullshit. Truthful people and liars have one thing in common, they know the truth and care about it in as much as it governs what they say.
Bullshitters don't care to know the truth, they will say whatever they need to to achieve their ends.
This is best illustrated at election time, although politicians are known to be bullshitters every minute of their lives.

[Bonez]

Bullshitters don't care to know the truth, they will say whatever they need to to achieve their ends.
This is best illustrated at election time, although politicians are known to be bullshitters every minute of their lives.You see similar things in sales pamplets and adverts. :violin:

[Motu]

This is the Politicians greatest skill,and marks them as above us mere mortals - to lie,cheat and deceive...without technicaly telling a lie.

[Sniper]

They have diplomatic immunity

[Hitcher]

It's called "being economical with the truth"...

[spudchucka]

Like Awatere-Huata when put on the spot about lying to women about her weight loss, she insisted that she didn't lie she just ommitted to tell the WHOLE truth. In other words she "deceived", which may not be lying but is just as reprehensible for a polititian as far as I'm concerned.

[Wolf]

"Sins by Ommission", begorrah!

[MSTRS]

It's only a lie if it is proven to be so. So, say what you like, but be careful who is listening.

[Wolf]

It's only a lie if it is proven to be so. So, say what you like, but be careful who is listening.
And since you know whether it's true or not, if you hear yourself say it you will be able to deem whether or not you are lying, so when you lie you should block your ears to avoid hearing something you know for a fact is not true... :devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

So that means our pollies are the diesels of oratory.

[SPman]

My God!
A post by J R!:thud:

[ManDownUnder]

Like Awatere-Huata when put on the spot about lying to women about her weight loss, she insisted that she didn't lie she just ommitted to tell the WHOLE truth. In other words she "deceived", which may not be lying but is just as reprehensible for a polititian as far as I'm concerned.

Which is funny as this same technique (omitting to tell the WHOLE story) is cause for cancelling contracts etc when selling by description.

The law recognises it in that situation, but not in others.

It's a tough one sure... but DAH isn't too far above being a theiving little tramp in my personaly opinion.

She's a bright and capable lady - pity she used her talents to her own ends instead of those she was espousing...

[froggyfrenchman]

refur to "the blues brothers"...

You lied...
No i didnt, i took the liberrty of bullshitting you...
You lied...
Wasnt lies, was just bullshit.

[SPman]

' You're on the verge of being too old and respectable to ride them squidrocket things.

"SPLUTTER" ---- "CHOKE" ---- "COUGH"

Now listen here, young master.............!:kick:

[Lou Girardin]

An example of a political whopper.
Ronald Reagan was in Germany at a commemoration of the holocaust. He described his feelings on entering one of the death camps when it was liberated.
Unfortunately, he'd never left the US during the war.

[bluninja]

Or....Clinton...under oath he said that he did not have sexual relations with Monica...

[Hitcher]

Or....Clinton...under oath he said that he did not have sexual relations with Monica...
That's because Americans are, erm odd. Many use the term "sexual relations" to define the act of intercourse, with oral being somehow forgiveable as some sort of misplaced and lingering kiss...

On that basis, it could be argued that Clinton applied an excessively narrow interpretation of the term "sexual relations". Whatever he said, it is clear that he intended to deceive.

[Lou Girardin]

That's because Americans are, erm odd. Many use the term "sexual relations" to define the act of intercourse, with oral being somehow forgiveable as some sort of misplaced and lingering kiss...

On that basis, it could be argued that Clinton applied an excessively narrow interpretation of the term "sexual relations". Whatever he said, it is clear that he intended to deceive.

Eatin' aint cheatin'