Too many new cars?

[awa355]

Not sure how accurate this article is, but makes interesting reading.

http://www.vincelewis.net/unsoldcars.html

[Milts]

Fake. Combination of photoshop and the lots full of old cars waiting to be crushed under a UK govt scheme to buy old cars just to get them off the road (newer fleet = fewer injuries, emissions etc).

[Scuba_Steve]

Yea I could believe it, the automotive industry is mega wasteful sorta like the food industry; they scrap perfectly good products just to keep the price artificially high.
Those yards will usually hold the vehicle until the tax write-offs are over at which time the vehicles are generally then scrapped.

[Motu]

There will be new laws for this problem. You will have to buy a new car every year. Your old one year old car is now unsafe for use on the road, you will have to surrender it to the recycling plant to receive your new car.

Why did they go to the one year WoF ? Triple the cost of a 6 month WoF, make the test extremely difficult to pass, and increase new car sales.

[Winston001]

There will be new laws for this problem. You will have to buy a new car every year. Your old one year old car is now unsafe for use on the road, you will have to surrender it to the recycling plant to receive your new car.

Why did they go to the one year WoF ? Triple the cost of a 6 month WoF, make the test extremely difficult to pass, and increase new car sales.

Not in New Zealand. We do not manufacture cars, bikes, trucks, or tractors. In fact people buying cars etc puts a real dent in our balance of payments as a nation. We are far better off to keep what we have and run them into the ground. Lots of work for kiwi mechanics and panel shops, less overseas funds transferred to Japanese and European auto plants.

[Akzle]

ahh. Market saturation and sunset industries. No jew could have possibly seen it coming. Oh well, you lot all going to have to go and buy new cars to fix the problem with money...

O. Wait on.

[Akzle]

there must be a rather small market, lets call them 'townies' or more likely 'fucking aucklanders', who insist on the latest automotive fashion, and go out of their way to get this years model. Keeping up with the jewnses.
Ironically theyre usually the ones that cant drive for shit.

[SMOKEU]

There are too many old cars. It seems like New Zealanders are obsessed with paying crazy amounts of money for old, worn out Japansese wrecks that the rest of the developed world doesn't want and relying on that magical badge up front to negate the need for anything more than the odd engine oil change. Which is one of the reasons I don't own a car, and haven't for a few years.

[The Reibz]

I only own a car to tow my boat. My car is a worn out heap of shit that burns oil, 20 year old E series Falcon. Manual transmission for skids. I run a over powered 2 stroke on the back of my inflateable and my bikes o2 sensor has been removed.

Fuck emissions. Buy old

[Akzle]

My car is a ...heap of shit... Falcon.

summarised to realise the salient point.

[Akzle]

There are too many old cars. It seems like New Zealanders are obsessed with paying crazy amounts of money for old, worn out Japansese wrecks that the rest of the developed world doesn't want and relying on that magical badge up front to negate the need for anything more than the odd engine oil change. Which is one of the reasons I don't own a car, and haven't for a few years.

my car is old. But it gets between 9-11 lt/100km. For the extra 4$ in petrol/tank compared to a new model, i get pedals that are connected to the engine/box/actual brakes, no computer to double think, doors made out of plate steel, no airbags or abs 'safety features' basically fuck all that cant be fixed with a hammer.
And it does that all day, whether loaded and towing (it tows like a motherfucker) or laying phat skidz up the gravel, or just rolling down the highway. I did, and continue, to pay fuckall for it.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yep give me old cages anyday...
Can be fixed with a socket, screwdriver & hammer; no electronics to fuckout; built with "you crash it you're fucked" safety incentive; cheap on gas as they only have an engine to run; cheap on parts as they're off the shelf, not custom fabricated for that model of vehicle only; everything's direct connect mechanical & above all they actually made RWD manuals back then :Punk:

[Mushu]

There are too many old cars. It seems like New Zealanders are obsessed with paying crazy amounts of money for old, worn out Japansese wrecks that the rest of the developed world doesn't want and relying on that magical badge up front to negate the need for anything more than the odd engine oil change. Which is one of the reasons I don't own a car, and haven't for a few years.

Bullshit. My car cost fuck all, upkeep has been minimal (especially if you factor in that out has been driven on chch roads since the earthquakes), is more reliable than most new cars and it's a 21 year old jap import. Yes the magical badge does make a difference, Toyotas built before the mid ninetys are near bulletproof if looked after (and often even if they are not looked after they still last forever) new cars are designed to be replaced when the warranty runs out.

I really doubt 2014 models will be as common in 30 years as 1984 models are today.

[Grubber]

there must be a rather small market, lets call them 'townies' or more likely 'fucking aucklanders', who insist on the latest automotive fashion, and go out of their way to get this years model. Keeping up with the jewnses.
Ironically theyre usually the ones that cant drive for shit.

Of coarse being an Auckland resident you will have all the relevant data to support your load of shite!

[Akzle]

Of coarse being an Auckland resident you will have all the relevant data to support your load of shite!

im not an auckland resident. But im there often enough.
You can be an honorary aucklander, you have the right level of ignorant arrogance!

-edit-
wait, you ARE actually an aucklander. Causation? Or correlation?

[SMOKEU]

my car is old. But it gets between 9-11 lt/100km. For the extra 4$ in petrol/tank compared to a new model, i get pedals that are connected to the engine/box/actual brakes, no computer to double think, doors made out of plate steel, no airbags or abs 'safety features' basically fuck all that cant be fixed with a hammer.
And it does that all day, whether loaded and towing (it tows like a motherfucker) or laying phat skidz up the gravel, or just rolling down the highway. I did, and continue, to pay fuckall for it.


Bullshit. My car cost fuck all, upkeep has been minimal (especially if you factor in that out has been driven on chch roads since the earthquakes), is more reliable than most new cars and it's a 21 year old jap import. Yes the magical badge does make a difference, Toyotas built before the mid ninetys are near bulletproof if looked after (and often even if they are not looked after they still last forever) new cars are designed to be replaced when the warranty runs out.

I really doubt 2014 models will be as common in 30 years as 1984 models are today.

You got lucky then. From personal experience and that of my mates who keep buying old wrecks, you can easily spend the entire value of the vehicle in repairs and still end up with an unreliable POS. My GSXR doesn't go for more than 1,000km without something else fucking out, but I don't rely on it for daily transport so time spent off the roads isn't too much of an inconvenience.

[Mushu]

You got lucky then. From personal experience and that of my mates who keep buying old wrecks, you can easily spend the entire value of the vehicle in repairs and still end up with an unreliable POS. My GSXR doesn't go for more than 1,000km without something else fucking out, but I don't rely on it for daily transport so time spent off the roads isn't too much of an inconvenience.

There's tricks to buying older cars, like don't buy anything obviously modified, don't buy cars that may have been owned by a boy racer, where possible buy Toyota. You can also get hints as to the service history by talking to the previous owner and having experience of that particular model helps too.

[Oblivion]

Its also rather funny. Most cars nowadays are designed to get written off after they are in a minor wreck. Although in terms of structural rigidity car chassis are at their strongest, its actually a tempering on the top that makes it strong. If you are in a minor wreck, and something gets bent, you can't just get out a welder and reinforce it, Since it'll destroy the tempering. Hence why a small ding gets written off so easily. Go over a bump in an old car? Cut out the old section, weld one straight back in.

Hell, Just to get an engine out of a newer car is a good few hours work. A few old cars I've seen can have their engines dropped in at least 2 hours.

But making cars like this increases the demand for newer cars. If you write one off, get another one and so on. Effectively 2 cars down. The only problem is, how are you gonna afford a new car on 13.75 p/h? Not to mention pay for insurance.

[Edbear]

I've just done something I never thought I'd do, and that's buy another older Jap import, and a Mitsubishi at that!

However I was very impressed with both the dealer and the car itself. It's an '05 Mitsi Colt Plus, bought for Mrs. Bear to give her a practical four-door with room for the grandkids' car seats. The MX5 just doesn't cut it in these requirements. We got it at a bargain and it is genuinely mint. We hope it will be reliable and I haven't heard anything bad about this model. Naturally the Kizashi has been utterly reliable as a new car should.

But then, having a good knowledge of vehicles and a lot of experience, you can minimize the risk a lot. No car is perfect, though, so there will always be some risk.

[Tazz]

You got lucky then. From personal experience and that of my mates who keep buying old wrecks, you can easily spend the entire value of the vehicle in repairs and still end up with an unreliable POS. My GSXR doesn't go for more than 1,000km without something else fucking out, but I don't rely on it for daily transport so time spent off the roads isn't too much of an inconvenience.

Agreed. Lost count of how many POS old cars me and my mates have been through. I just can't understand why they just fall to pieces.

Here's a Kodak moment of me heading to the hairdressers to get my party at the back under control.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAcYK7DDk_2P2Qxv29ry6DafeR8dhym S0-HBdpjngTuNMXUeoX

And of me heading to Orana Park to volunteer feeding the wildlife.

<img src="http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/yj4Zv5ONeZo/maxresdefault.jpg" height="300" width="500"

And this is the missus just moving the Commodore onto the street so I can move the Cotrina to get the Torana out past the boat.

<img src="http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/wCg0Dt9PPz0/maxresdefault.jpg" height="300" width="500">

Unreliable pieces of crap, all of em.

It's not like we don't service them either.

Here's a quick snap of me cleaning the underside while checking all the wheel bearings and the like. Was getting some funny tyre wear but the camber looked alright to my eye.

<img src="http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQK7NlEiYQyqV4-gpeE7yQi7d-Z_ZiPRmlB_H_sv8cZax2n5SDSOg" height="300" width="500">

:bleh:

[Akzle]

...who keep buying old wrecks,...

well, theres your problem.

[Akzle]

(tazz) i cant bling you again. Lulz.

[Mushu]

Its also rather funny. Most cars nowadays are designed to get written off after they are in a minor wreck. Although in terms of structural rigidity car chassis are at their strongest, its actually a tempering on the top that makes it strong. If you are in a minor wreck, and something gets bent, you can't just get out a welder and reinforce it, Since it'll destroy the tempering. Hence why a small ding gets written off so easily. Go over a bump in an old car? Cut out the old section, weld one straight back in.

Hell, Just to get an engine out of a newer car is a good few hours work. A few old cars I've seen can have their engines dropped in at least 2 hours.

But making cars like this increases the demand for newer cars. If you write one off, get another one and so on. Effectively 2 cars down. The only problem is, how are you gonna afford a new car on 13.75 p/h? Not to mention pay for insurance.

You're a bit misinformed, there's no tempering or hardening. New cars are designed to crush easily in an impact, this absorbs the energy of the impact so less is transferred to the passengers. It's a double edged sword, while it does make them far easier to write off it also means that the passengers can survive much more serious accidents. I remember back when I worked as a mechanic for Honda that an S2000 will likely break your nose and collar bone in anything over a 30kmh crash but at 100kmh the exact same injuries are likely and they are actually caused by the supplemental restraint system (airbag and seatbelt pretensioners).

[Yamahardman]

i have a 1983 holden gemini, and for a small car, its built like a tank, and is surprisingly economical.

[VinceLewis]

Fake. Combination of photoshop and the lots full of old cars waiting to be crushed under a UK govt scheme to buy old cars just to get them off the road (newer fleet = fewer injuries, emissions etc).

WHEN I READ THIS IT MADE MY BLOOD BOIL. THE WEBPAGE IN QUESTION IS NOT A FAKE. I spent a full week researching the information before creating the webpage. If you took time to read the article you would see that I said THE IMAGES ARE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED this also implies that there is no misrepresentation of the facts...as you falsely suggest. Perhaps the article was just too fantastic for your conception of what is really going on in this world.

ALL of the photos show cars that have been over produced. Your unresearched statement that they are cars waiting to be crushed are your own unfounded musings and nothing more. The photos of the cars are from around the world not just the UK so how did you derive at the statement that they are all from a UK government scheme? Did you not notice too that in the closer images the cars are all brand new?

Condemnation without investigation is the uttermost height of ignorance.

I registered here just to put the record straight in this forum, as I followed a link from my website advancedstats that showed this post. Indeed everytime a forum links a website in a forum the webmaster of that site can be notified about it...and I was. I will not be posting on this forum or indeed visiting it again, your replies will go unanswered.

Regards Vince Lewis www.vincelewis.net

[SPman]

new cars are designed to be replaced when the warranty runs out.

.

Hmmmm .... 5 yr warranty....should have covered 200,000km then (like the last one), so, probably time to flick it off to someone else.......

[Akzle]

butthurt level 9000 achieved!

KB hero status pending.

Check out ghost ships, too.
Sum thang wrong witg the 'conomoney

[pete376403]

looks verifiable. google earth shows similar images such as the Upper Heyford USAF Station, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX25, United Kingdom

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Upper+Heyford+USAF+Station,+Bicester,+Oxfor dshire+OX25,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=51.93478,-1.245575&spn=0.006509,0.010793&sll=-40.799894,175.310128&sspn=32.616092,44.208984&t=h&hq=Upper+Heyford+USAF+Station,&hnear=Bicester,+United+Kingdom&z=16
(dont know how to determine the date of the image, though)

(I only picked this one becuase this website had better details of where they are

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/unsold-cars-around-the-world/

[St_Gabriel]

WHEN I READ THIS IT MADE MY BLOOD BOIL. THE WEBPAGE IN QUESTION IS NOT A FAKE.
I said THE IMAGES ARE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED this also implies that there is no misrepresentation of the facts...

There you go folks, straight from the horses mouth. It must be true as he said it was.

[testastretta]

WHEN I READ THIS IT MADE MY BLOOD BOIL. THE WEBPAGE IN QUESTION IS NOT A FAKE. I spent a full week researching the information before creating the webpage. If you took time to read the article you would see that I said THE IMAGES ARE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED this also implies that there is no misrepresentation of the facts...as you falsely suggest. Perhaps the article was just too fantastic for your conception of what is really going on in this world.

ALL of the photos show cars that have been over produced. Your unresearched statement that they are cars waiting to be crushed are your own unfounded musings and nothing more. The photos of the cars are from around the world not just the UK so how did you derive at the statement that they are all from a UK government scheme? Did you not notice too that in the closer images the cars are all brand new?

Condemnation without investigation is the uttermost height of ignorance.

I registered here just to put the record straight in this forum, as I followed a link from my website advancedstats that showed this post. Indeed everytime a forum links a website in a forum the webmaster of that site can be notified about it...and I was. I will not be posting on this forum or indeed visiting it again, your replies will go unanswered.

Regards Vince Lewis www.vincelewis.net

The photo of the Nissan test track is from 2009. When the world was in the grip of the GFC. A search of the same location on google maps shows a completely clear test track. It is quite common for vehicles to be stored in large quantities awaiting shipping to countries like NZ that manufacture no cars.

Perhaps I should buy your conspiracy theory book to gain a better understanding.<_<

[imdying]

Vince Lewis is a known liar. People like him are why hippies get such a bad rap... they make up or otherwise inflate shit so they can suck mugs in. How are the chem trails over your way Vince? :laugh:

I would encourage everyone to visit his site. It's an excellent living memorial to 90s web design. Why all nutters have that in common, is something that cannot be explained.

[awa355]

When you think about it, the production of most commercial products must out do actual sales. White ware, appliances, technology products, vehicles etc. Most production excesses have to end up somewhere.

[Akzle]

I would encourage everyone to visit his site. It's an excellent living memorial to 90s web design. Why all nutters have that in common, is something that cannot be explained.

because html5 is gay, man! Its a conspiracy by the jewlords to make all internet users, +with smartphones, stupider!
Looks like it works!

[Scuba_Steve]

The photo of the Nissan test track is from 2009. When the world was in the grip of the GFC. A search of the same location on google maps shows a completely clear test track. It is quite common for vehicles to be stored in large quantities awaiting shipping to countries like NZ that manufacture no cars.

Perhaps I should buy your conspiracy theory book to gain a better understanding.<_<

The image up on Googley now is from 2008, 23/7/2008 to be exact; Makes ya wonder...

[Woodman]

Not sure how accurate this article is, but makes interesting reading.

http://www.vincelewis.net/unsoldcars.html


What a load of conspiracy theorist tin foil hat wearing gullible wally crappolla.

[Edbear]

What a load of conspiracy theorist tin foil hat wearing gullible wally crappolla.

Just tell it like it is, mate...

[Scuba_Steve]

What a load of conspiracy theorist tin foil hat wearing gullible wally crappolla.

Just like all that crap about the Govt watching us... oh wait! :shit:

[ducatilover]

There's tricks to buying older cars, like don't buy anything obviously modified, don't buy cars that may have been owned by a boy racer, where possible buy Toyota. You can also get hints as to the service history by talking to the previous owner and having experience of that particular model helps too.

We've been over this one before, I think...

Don't say 20V, please. Too many of them dead and broken, or casually mucnhing oil more than Akzle munches the bud.

[Mushu]

We've been over this one before, I think...

Don't say 20V, please. Too many of them dead and broken, or casually mucnhing oil more than Akzle munches the bud.

I believe you and I had this discussion a few months ago, I maintain the 20v is a great motor but if you're looking for reliability the early 16v 4AGE is better (the only common problem I know of involves TVIS and is easily rectified) and Toyota has built countless other great motors. Admittedly my 20v does use a lot of oil, about a litre every 5000km, but I still love the power delivery and strength of that motor.

[Voltaire]

I believe you and I had this discussion a few months ago, I maintain the 20v is a great motor but if you're looking for reliability the early 16v 4AGE is better (the only common problem I know of involves TVIS and is easily rectified) and Toyota has built countless other great motors. Admittedly my 20v does use a lot of oil, about a litre every 5000km, but I still love the power delivery and strength of that motor.

I changed the alternator on my Sons Levin....what a mission, they built the car around that.:wacko:
I was surprised when he got it, the power for a 1600 and still quite flexible.

[Akzle]

I changed the alternator on my Sons Levin....what a mission, they built the car around that.:wacko:
I was surprised when he got it, the power for a 1600 and still quite flexible.

mate has one. You CAN do the cambelt with the engine in....(i would suggest having someone slam your hands in a ranch slider first - to prepare you for the pain, but also to make your bones narrower)
Auto and tops out at 183 (gps) whether in fun mode or not. Would i buy one?
No.
Sticky as shit but hard ride and fuckall travel till yr grinding rails.
And an lsd on the front? Unless youre doing it in reverse, its fucken random on gravel.
My 85 age (manual)was the fucking shiz, shame it was wasted on fwd.. The fx gt starlet (manual) was fun and the gt carrozerla?, might have been a 20... Auto.
Fuck that got raped, hard.

(this message bought to you by the word: fuck and the number 3. And lettuce.)

[Yamahardman]

mate has one. You CAN do the cambelt with the engine in....(i would suggest having someone slam your hands in a ranch slider first - to prepare you for the pain, but also to make your bones narrower)
Auto and tops out at 183 (gps) whether in fun mode or not. Would i buy one?
No.
Sticky as shit but hard ride and fuckall travel till yr grinding rails.
And an lsd on the front? Unless youre doing it in reverse, its fucken random on gravel.
My 85 age (manual)was the fucking shiz, shame it was wasted on fwd.. The fx gt starlet (manual) was fun and the gt carrozerla?, might have been a 20... Auto.
Fuck that got raped, hard.

(this message bought to you by the word: fuck and the number 3. And lettuce.)

I had a 1987 nz assembled gt corolla 2 door hatch.
Leather seats, 240km/h speedo, red door trim and seatbelts.
Bluetop big port 4age. Went waaay better than my japanese imported fxgt for some reason...
Very fun to drive, no powersteering :eek:

[SMOKEU]

A nice 4AGE or 4AGZE Corolla with moar boost would be nice. Pity they're all fucked by now.

[The Reibz]

A nice 4AGE or 4AGZE Corolla with moar boost would be nice. Pity they're all fucked by now.

Bro my brother has 2 4AGZE Levins. One Street legal and the other running a Lexus V8 twinscrew supercharger at 22psi. Hes hoping to break 400hp on it this year.
Solid cars.

I drive a EF XR6 and there are always atleast 10 of them throughout aucklands pickaparts. One of the reasons why I refuse to sell it. It tows a boat pretty good too

[ducatilover]

I believe you and I had this discussion a few months ago, I maintain the 20v is a great motor but if you're looking for reliability the early 16v 4AGE is better (the only common problem I know of involves TVIS and is easily rectified) and Toyota has built countless other great motors. Admittedly my 20v does use a lot of oil, about a litre every 5000km, but I still love the power delivery and strength of that motor.

They're reliable if you fit a decent breather system to them and a fucking maaaahoosive oil drain from the head, otherwise I would not recommend raping one, it's the reason there are countless exploded bottom ends in 16V 4ages.

Yeah, good ol' 20v, like a B16A but with less <_< :bleh: cute wee motors. I wouldn't mind building a 7age up one day, dump it in an AW and have many, many giggles (and shits...).

[ducatilover]

Bro my brother has 2 4AGZE Levins. One Street legal and the other running a Lexus V8 twinscrew supercharger at 22psi. Hes hoping to break 400hp on it this year.
Solid cars.



You should easily pull 400hp from a blown 1UZ with a lot less than 22psi, unless it has an aton m90 on it, then melt that down and make it in to the shape of a poo.
Them Toyota V8s are solid motors, only weak point in them fullas is the valve springs, get chronic valve float if you rev them. Fortunately spring kits are cheap, and then you can make some sexy powah from 'em :devil2:

[Grashopper]

Agreed. Lost count of how many POS old cars me and my mates have been through. I just can't understand why they just fall to pieces.

Here's a Kodak moment of me heading to the hairdressers to get my party at the back under control.
:bleh:

Lol. You're so unlucky with your cars.

(Can't bling you again either. But thanks for the laugh :D)

[Mushu]

They're reliable if you fit a decent breather system to them and a fucking maaaahoosive oil drain from the head, otherwise I would not recommend raping one, it's the reason there are countless exploded bottom ends in 16V 4ages.

Yeah, good ol' 20v, like a B16A but with less <_< :bleh: cute wee motors. I wouldn't mind building a 7age up one day, dump it in an AW and have many, many giggles (and shits...).

Nah no need to modify to make reliable, my 2 and a few others owned by people I know very well have been thrashed daily, some of them with no maintenance at all and have given very little problems. 5 that I can think of having done atleast 200000km between them and none of them have ever needed the head off, mine for example has done 100000km in the 4 years I have owned it (currently at about 265000 on the odometer), most of that around the port hills at night, I couldn't count the tires and brake pads I have gone through and in all that time the only engine related part that I have replaced was the starter motor (and the obvious service items).

The above is the reason I didn't buy a B16A Honda, they are a better motor, but not as strong as the mighty 4AGE

IMO there's no need to fuck around building a 7AGE for a AW, my one was perfect with the silver top in it.

[Mushu]

Just looking at the post I quoted in the previous post and realized you were talking about 16v 4AGE bottom end problems, I have to admit I have seen a couple throw rods but given the amount of 16v 4AGEs that were put into service during their production there's always going to be a few that eventually fail. The ones I have seen blow up were always thrashed hard and seriously under maintained, I have also seen quite a few put up with incredible amounts of abuse, my flatmate about 10 years ago crashed his AE92 and destroyed his radiator losing all his coolant and still managed to drive it at least 20km home with no damage done to the engine (car was repaired and driven another 30000 km before he crashed it again and wrote it off).

[Scuba_Steve]

Speaking of new cars I see the Govt plan on legislating ESC to be mandatory in an ongoing attempt to convince idiots the speed scam works. I have nothing against ESC & think it's probably a good thing, but I do have a thing against it being legislated mandatory; Altho I don't buy new or late model cars so shouldn't effect me too much

[Akzle]

Speaking of new cars I see the Govt plan on legislating ESC to be mandatory in an ongoing attempt to convince idiots the speed scam works. I have nothing against ESC & think it's probably a good thing, but I do have a thing against it being legislated mandatory; Altho I don't buy new or late model cars so shouldn't effect me too much

esc? The top left button on the keyboard? Wonder what that does when youre driving...

[awa355]

esc? The top left button on the keyboard? Wonder what that does when youre driving...


GEEZUSS ! Wayne !! . :brick::brick: It's the fucking ejector seat button.

[ducatilover]

Nah no need to modify to make reliable, my 2 and a few others owned by people I know very well have been thrashed daily, some of them with no maintenance at all and have given very little problems. 5 that I can think of having done atleast 200000km between them and none of them have ever needed the head off, mine for example has done 100000km in the 4 years I have owned it (currently at about 265000 on the odometer), most of that around the port hills at night, I couldn't count the tires and brake pads I have gone through and in all that time the only engine related part that I have replaced was the starter motor (and the obvious service items).

The above is the reason I didn't buy a B16A Honda, they are a better motor, but not as strong as the mighty 4AGE

IMO there's no need to fuck around building a 7AGE for a AW, my one was perfect with the silver top in it.

I only build them and set them up, so I probably don't really know at all.

[Mushu]

I only build them and set them up, so I probably don't really know at all.

Not sure what you mean by that, I assume that's sarcasm. I'm just relaying my experience with them as well as that of quite a few Toyota enthusiasts, including a handful of Toyota mechanics. I've blown up more than my share of engines in my time, only one of them was a Toyota engine (3SGE) and the overall reliability of the 4AGE is why including the Levin I have owned 5 corollas and an MR2. (IMO the Levin us the ugliest car I've ever owned, but I still love it.) I do like the Hondas but they just don't take the abuse I've seen given to the Toyotas

[ducatilover]

Not sure what you mean by that, I assume that's sarcasm. I'm just relaying my experience with them as well as that of quite a few Toyota enthusiasts, including a handful of Toyota mechanics. I've blown up more than my share of engines in my time, only one of them was a Toyota engine (3SGE) and the overall reliability of the 4AGE is why including the Levin I have owned 5 corollas and an MR2. (IMO the Levin us the ugliest car I've ever owned, but I still love it.) I do like the Hondas but they just don't take the abuse I've seen given to the Toyotas
I owned many BMW's and they treated me very well, so did many people I know.
Doesn't mean they're good on the whole.
Same goes for the 4age series, it is very well known the 16v blow bottom ends due to not being able to drain oil back from the heads and they pressurise the fuck out of the crank case because they have only one breather up top which is not sufficient.
20v motors are known for oil eating, they glaze the bores very nicely, then the crank cracks. They also make nest to no torque for a 1600, an SR16VE is a better, and stronger motor. The B series (in my experience) is a much stronger unit, and produces more power for less money, and even the scungy 4g92 Mivec lasts just as well, lifter noise included, and goes better.

I have no issue against the 4age motors really, just being realistic about what they are, a nice cheap motor, very expensive to pull real power from and they need to be set up properly to be reliable. It's that simple, talk to anyone who races one

[Mushu]

I owned many BMW's and they treated me very well, so did many people I know.
Doesn't mean they're good on the whole.
Same goes for the 4age series, it is very well known the 16v blow bottom ends due to not being able to drain oil back from the heads and they pressurise the fuck out of the crank case because they have only one breather up top which is not sufficient.
20v motors are known for oil eating, they glaze the bores very nicely, then the crank cracks. They also make nest to no torque for a 1600, an SR16VE is a better, and stronger motor. The B series (in my experience) is a much stronger unit, and produces more power for less money, and even the scungy 4g92 Mivec lasts just as well, lifter noise included, and goes better.

I have no issue against the 4age motors really, just being realistic about what they are, a nice cheap motor, very expensive to pull real power from and they need to be set up properly to be reliable. It's that simple, talk to anyone who races one

In the case of BMWs I don't doubt that there are some that last and maybe you owned and know people that owned a few but surely you have seen the electrical nightmare that often becomes of them after 20+ years of service on the road.

The SR16 may be a good motor but Nissan didn't put them in practically anything like Toyota did the 4AGE. The 4G92 may be a good engine but since I've blown up every Mitsi I have ever owned (often in a very short time frame) I'm against the brand, but in saying that I just may have been unlucky.
I will admit the B16 is a bloody good motor but not way more powerful than a 20v (7kw difference from memory) I worked for Honda and one thing all VTEC motors have in common is they absolutely must be serviced regularly or they tend to run in to any of a range of problems (meaning you need to be careful buying a used one).

The 4AGE may need modification to be viable in a racing application (I thought we were talking about engines for road use) but they have been heavily used in racing so can't be as bad as you say and you have to remember there had to be a few elements of cost cutting in their design for them to be so common.

But at the end of the day it's just differing opinions resulting from differing experiences. You can't deny that the 4AGE in all of its forms is a good quality, cheap motor for road use. With a name like Ducatilover I would expect reliability isn't really a priority for you anyway.

[ducatilover]

In the case of BMWs I don't doubt that there are some that last and maybe you owned and know people that owned a few but surely you have seen the electrical nightmare that often becomes of them after 20+ years of service on the road. My point exactly.
My BMWs have all been a wee bit older, but never failed me. Doesn't mean they're awesome though, I get to fix a fair few of them. Fortunately they all fail in the same way most of the time, so diagnosis and repair is fast, simple and cheap :niceone:


The SR16 may be a good motor but Nissan didn't put them in practically anything like Toyota did the 4AGE. The 4G92 may be a good engine but since I've blown up every Mitsi I have ever owned (often in a very short time frame) I'm against the brand, but in saying that I just may have been unlucky.
The SR is still a relatively cheap wee unit and if you get the wanky "n1 spec: one you're looking at 139kw out the box.
I am not a Mitsi fan, myself. They have made a handful of good cars, but they have made an insane amount of poo (like most car makers, really), I had an e39a VR4 and an E33A AMG Galant, and somehow neither of them broke.


I will admit the B16 is a bloody good motor but not way more powerful than a 20v (7kw difference from memory) I worked for Honda and one thing all VTEC motors have in common is they absolutely must be serviced regularly or they tend to run in to any of a range of problems (meaning you need to be careful buying a used one).
Early B16A1 motors pull through the rev range stronger than black tops tend to, B16A2 offer a bigger difference




The 4AGE may need modification to be viable in a racing application (I thought we were talking about engines for road use) but they have been heavily used in racing so can't be as bad as you say and you have to remember there had to be a few elements of cost cutting in their design for them to be so common.
Ever built, or looked inside a race 4AGE? People spend mind blowing money on them to get a reliable 180whp. 160 is relatively cheap enough out of a 20v, but the lack of any sort of torque is just horrible, especially in a race engine.



But at the end of the day it's just differing opinions resulting from differing experiences. You can't deny that the 4AGE in all of its forms is a good quality, cheap motor for road use. With a name like Ducatilover I would expect reliability isn't really a priority for you anyway. Never owned a Duke, was 16 when I decided to put that as my namethingy :weird:
I think they're an okay motor, nothing spectacular for a 1600. And if treated well and run on decent oils, can be as reliable as pretty much anything (cept the 4afe, which likes to put oil back in the sump after it goes to the head, magically reliable fuckers them)
If I built a budget 4age, it would be an FE block, because they're all in better nick, with a smallport head and a set of carbs flapping off it, now that's a cool cheap unit.
The 4agze is a neat little unit, except for the pistons. Tis a shame so many of them never had the oil drain back issues fixed, and have suffered for it :facepalm:

[Akzle]

:Offtopic: :Oi::grr:
www.motor-talk.de/forum/
toyota-corolla

your welcome

[ducatilover]

:Offtopic: :Oi::grr:
www.motor-talk.de/forum/ (http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/)
toyota-corolla

your welcome

Want to talk about politics or weed instead? Want a root?

[Tazz]

Want to talk about politics or weed instead? Want a root?

Gizz a hoon on ya missus?

[ducatilover]

Gizz a hoon on ya missus?

A crate per root

[Tazz]

A crate per root

Sold?


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01978/milk_1978282c.jpg

[Akzle]

Want to talk about politics or weed instead? Want a root?

no, no and yes. But as often happens when the hookers go cold, my morning wood goes to waste.
Bebutiful sunrise though.

[ducatilover]

no, no and yes. But as often happens when the hookers go cold, my morning wood goes to waste.
Bebutiful sunrise though.

I'm keen, I'll destroy you

[Akzle]

I'm keen, I'll destroy you

i dont understand the question.
If by "destroy" you mean "give three thousand dollars to", then im all for it.

[PrincessBandit]

(this message bought to you by the word: fuck and the number 3. And lettuce.)

Can I have fries with that? Oh, and supersize?


I can't believe how fast we're chomping through the rego plates in NZ, so plenty of cars flooding into EnZud. Hang on, they're not new, deyz all second hand cast offs fwom Nippon.

[ducatilover]

i dont understand the question.
If by "destroy" you mean "give three thousand dollars to", then im all for it.

You're going to fart my scent.

[Akzle]

deyz all second hand cast offs fwom Nippon.

shirley the nz govt wouldnt allow shitters with 60% fucked tyres to be imported, only to then import a container of tyres beside that shit, only for them ALL to end up in our landfills?
Oh wait. Money to be made.
Clean, green, fuken dumb!

[Akzle]

You're going to fart my scent.

oohhhhhhh, i get it.
is it the scent of delicious money?

[Woodman]

Speaking of new cars I see the Govt plan on legislating ESC to be mandatory in an ongoing attempt to convince idiots the speed scam works. I have nothing against ESC & think it's probably a good thing, but I do have a thing against it being legislated mandatory; Altho I don't buy new or late model cars so shouldn't effect me too much

ESC is mandatory on all cars built from 2010 onwards. My car has it and it just takes over when pushing the car through some twisties. Try accelerating out of a tight corner and the esc just won't let you until it decides its safe to do so. Its all tied in with a yaw control under the cup holders.

[awa355]

ESC is mandatory on all cars built from 2010 onwards. My car has it and it just takes over when pushing the car through some twisties. Try accelerating out of a tight corner and the esc just won't let you until it decides its safe to do so. Its all tied in with a yaw control under the cup holders.

There must be a way to get around that.

[Akzle]

There must be a way to get around that.

go in harder and hope like fuck the computer can slip enough to get you around.
Id be keen as fuck to test that shit.
Probably not as safe as driving properly though.

[ducatilover]

go in harder and hope like fuck the computer can slip enough to get you around.
Id be keen as fuck to test that shit.
Probably not as safe as driving properly though.

Trying to out drive ESC can end up quite bad.
It can also be a fucking hinderance to people whom are able to correct a car properly. Can result in gay big over corrections and even gayer understeer.
But, the majority of sporty vehicles allow you to turn it off, and the majority of people need that shit on.

[Kickaha]

It can also be a fucking hinderance to people whom are able to correct a car properly.
There would be fuck all of them in NZ

[ducatilover]

There would be fuck all of them in NZ

Me.


Covers it all, I am more or less the man.

[mstriumph]

http://www.vincelewis.net/unsoldcars.html

shamelessly lifted from another forum

[bogan]

It's not.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/unsoldcars.asp

[Virago]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/164640-Too-many-new-cars?

[AllanB]

So it was mainly true in 2009.

Suzuki Japan must have loads of bikes sitting in crates - that's how we have our Suzuki Summer Fest each year as they tend to be 2 year old models on sale.

[mstriumph]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/164640-Too-many-new-cars?

sorry :confused:

[imdying]

Oh I wonder if that bottom feeding faggot is going to come here for another cry :innocent: