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Shaun Harris
26th February 2014, 10:16
As per quote below from Billy we require a new commisioner. Huge shame to loose Billy. Thankyou for all you have done for our sport mate.


Due to a change in my personal circumstances,I will not be handling ANY proposed rulechanges going forward,Please ensure all rulechange proposals are sent directly to Monique@mnz.co.nz for whomever maybe my replacement to deal with,From now through to the MNZ AGM,I will only be dealing with NZSBK and the normal day to day running of the commission business.

Pumba
26th February 2014, 13:26
Or rather than a one liner in a thread that Shaun has picked up on, here is the officail press release from MNZ


With Graeme (Billy) Billington standing down as MNZ Commissioner, Motorcycling New Zealand is seeking applications to take on this volunteer role. The appointment of the Commissioner will be made as per the MNZ Constitution and is a two year appointment.

Ideally the new Commissioner and existing Commissioner will work together until May for a smooth hand-over of the role, it is expected that the incoming Commissioner take care of all relevant rule changes for the new season; the rule changes are to be effective 1 August 2014.

Nominations and/or applications can be made on the relevant form and should be returned to the MNZ Office no later than Friday 21st March 2014.

Should you have any queries regarding this role please contact:

Vicky Hicks
General Manager Operations – MNZ
E: vicky@mnz.co.nz
Ph: 07 8287 852 ext 4

Which can be found here http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2014/02/25/mnz-commissioner-vacancy

scrivy
26th February 2014, 13:32
With the amount of work involved, it should be a part-paid job..............

budda
26th February 2014, 13:42
With the amont of work involved, it should be a part-paid job..............

Using Labour Dept figures, its a full-time job :shit:........

scrivy
26th February 2014, 16:21
Using Labour Dept figures, its a full-time job :shit:........

I can see the queues for the job already:killingme......

steveyb
26th February 2014, 16:28
Pick me! Pick me!

NOT!

Billy
26th February 2014, 17:46
Pick me! Pick me!

NOT!

Go on.....You know you want to!!!!

steveyb
26th February 2014, 17:58
Y'know, there was a time when I might have.
But I have a real job now so, yeah, nah...

Drew
26th February 2014, 18:08
I nominate, Bret Glazer.;)

RobGassit
26th February 2014, 18:50
Why would anyone want this position if they will not have the support of their own governing body.
MNZ needs a clean out! But replacing Billy is completely absurd. The way a few competitors have managed to undermine the systems put in place to protect our sport for all members is staggering.
Winning appeals on minor legal technicalities needs sorting too. Getting away with breaking rules because the notification was not on the right form for example, is the kind of loopholes we need to close. Sad days for motorcycle sport.

Drew
26th February 2014, 19:03
Why would anyone want this position if they will not have the support of their own governing body.
MNZ needs a clean out! But replacing Billy is completely absurd. The way a few competitors have managed to undermine the systems put in place to protect our sport for all members is staggering.
Winning appeals on minor legal technicalities needs sorting too. Getting away with breaking rules because the notification was not on the right form for example, is the kind of loopholes we need to close. Sad days for motorcycle sport.Close the loopholes then. Rule change submissions happen to be open RIGHT NOW.

Besides, if things aren't done according to the constitution and it's rules, then it damn well should be ignored.

Clean out MNZ? Cool, you wanna replace how many people? More than two and should Billy stay in his position, he'd be working 120 hour weeks trying to sort shit, instead of the cruisy 60-80 he's working now.

Edit; loads of ranting about cunts removed.

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 06:35
To ever make this roll work correctly, the board needs to change big time, for example,

1) how can a person who sells after market motorcycle parts be seen as not having conflicting interests

2) how can people that do not live on a certain Island represent that Island, that is not how the committee was set up to run

3) The board needs to be educated to support the commisioner, not the other way around as it is currently

4) This roll needs a base Salary

5) if a rule states OEM, then the machine in question should be as OEM, and not have any metal removed, this is NOT up the to interpretation of the board, if any doubts pick up a dictionerry to clarrify this decision.

Billy
27th February 2014, 06:57
To ever make this roll work correctly, the board needs to change big time, for example,

1) how can a person who sells after market motorcycle parts be seen as not having conflicting interests

2) how can people that do not live on a certain Island represent that Island, that is not how the committee was set up to run

3) The board needs to be educated to support the commisioner, not the other way around as it is currently

4) This roll needs a base Salary

5) if a rule states OEM, then the machine in question should be as OEM, and not have any metal removed, this is NOT up the to interpretation of the board, if any doubts pick up a dictionerry to clarrify this decision.

Unfortunately 4) is not realistic as then ALL commissioners,Board members etc would need to be paid and where would the money come from?

As for the rest,I guess people will need to make their own minds up.

scott411
27th February 2014, 06:58
To ever make this roll work correctly, the board needs to change big time, for example,

1) how can a person who sells after market motorcycle parts be seen as not having conflicting interests

2) how can people that do not live on a certain Island represent that Island, that is not how the committee was set up to run

3) The board needs to be educated to support the commisioner, not the other way around as it is currently

4) This roll needs a base Salary

5) if a rule states OEM, then the machine in question should be as OEM, and not have any metal removed, this is NOT up the to interpretation of the board, if any doubts pick up a dictionerry to clarrify this decision.

1: everyone in this sport has conflicts, weather it has been to brands, parts, clubs or riders, if it comes up, you excuse yourself,
2: agree totally, but was always against the island rep thing, we are one country and if the best poeple all live in southland then who cares,
3: agree totally,
4: are you willing to pay more, because there is already people that complain we pay to much for the service we receive, it goes past the road race comissioner, the MX, enduro, quad, cross country all need a salary if this postion gets one
5: agree, but we need to pull down and check more bikes,

Billy
27th February 2014, 07:10
Why would anyone want this position if they will not have the support of their own governing body.
MNZ needs a clean out! But replacing Billy is completely absurd. The way a few competitors have managed to undermine the systems put in place to protect our sport for all members is staggering.
Winning appeals on minor legal technicalities needs sorting too. Getting away with breaking rules because the notification was not on the right form for example, is the kind of loopholes we need to close. Sad days for motorcycle sport.

Well somebody is going to have to put their hand up,I'm surprised theres a sudden shortage of experts,Whats happened to all the people that have been so quick to criticise over the last few years????

Time for them to front up and put their money where their mouths have been.......Tui add appropriate here I think !!!
I'll get back to you about the rest of your post at a later date.

budda
27th February 2014, 07:18
Well somebody is going to have to put their hand up,I'm surprised theres a sudden shortage of experts,Whats happened to all the people that have been so quick to criticise over the last few years????

.

last FEW years ???????? Good to see your sense of humour is still going strong mate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

budda
27th February 2014, 07:22
To ever make this roll work correctly, the board needs to change big time, for example,

1) how can a person who sells after market motorcycle parts be seen as not having conflicting interests

2) how can people that do not live on a certain Island represent that Island, that is not how the committee was set up to run

3) The board needs to be educated to support the commisioner, not the other way around as it is currently

4) This roll needs a base Salary

5) if a rule states OEM, then the machine in question should be as OEM, and not have any metal removed, this is NOT up the to interpretation of the board, if any doubts pick up a dictionerry to clarrify this decision.

Re #5 - NOT the Board guys, an Appeal Committee of "experienced Stewards":blink::confused::innocent:

Robert Taylor
27th February 2014, 07:30
Well somebody is going to have to put their hand up,I'm surprised theres a sudden shortage of experts,Whats happened to all the people that have been so quick to criticise over the last few years????

Time for them to front up and put their money where their mouths have been.......Tui add appropriate here I think !!!
I'll get back to you about the rest of your post at a later date.

That line of thinking is a little emotive Billy. Although there were a few issues I personally disagreed with you on that doesnt by any means require ''pistols at dawn''. You can agree to disagree but still have a convivial relationship.

For all of my voting life I have steadfastly been a National voter and from time to time have given the local MP a donation at election time. Mainly its ''a lesser of the evils'' mentality as the alternatives dont bear thinking about, especially that Australian prick in the Snifter party.

Whoever is installed is not immune from criticism and thats a democratic right

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 07:37
Re #5 - NOT the Board guys, an Appeal Committee of "experienced Stewards":blink::confused::innocent:







Budda or Billy, please educate me.

1) Where do I find the details of who is on the road race board and the guidelines for those on it and operating the board please. The MNZ web site is a bloody night mare to try and find any details in unless you have all day to waste

2) please supply me with a TOTAL number of road race licence holders in NZ ie 367 holders or what ever it may be



Budda, are you saying that these decisions should be made by an appeal committee and not the current board? if so, please give your reasoning to this mate.

budda
27th February 2014, 07:39
That line of thinking is a little emotive Billy. Although there were a few issues I personally disagreed with you on that doesnt by any means require ''pistols at dawn''. You can agree to disagree but still have a convivial relationship.

For all of my voting life I have steadfastly been a National voter and from time to time have given the local MP a donation at election time. Mainly its ''a lesser of the evils'' mentality as the alternatives dont bear thinking about, especially that Australian prick in the Snifter party.

Whoever is installed is not immune from criticism and thats a democratic right

No-one I know who's actually done the job went in expecting to be a criticism-free zone - Criticism is generally healthy, but I believe what Herr Von Billington is getting at is that there are innumerable critics out there telling each other and anyone who'll listen, that they could do a much much better job

If you ( not you, you know what I mean ) are one of them, GOOD NEWS - now's your chance to prove it

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 07:44
That line of thinking is a little emotive Billy. Although there were a few issues I personally disagreed with you on that doesnt by any means require ''pistols at dawn''. You can agree to disagree but still have a convivial relationship.

For all of my voting life I have steadfastly been a National voter and from time to time have given the local MP a donation at election time. Mainly its ''a lesser of the evils'' mentality as the alternatives dont bear thinking about, especially that Australian prick in the Snifter party.

Whoever is installed is not immune from criticism and thats a democratic right







Billy opened a can of worms on himself by getting on here and awnsering questions and making comments. He has done it with total commitment to our sport, but really caused himself a lot more work. If I was in his position, I would just stick too officual channells and correct processes for communicationg ( Emails and phone calls only) with the riders/teams/sponsors etc, and not use a public web site for conducting motorcycle buisness.

budda
27th February 2014, 07:45
Budda or Billy, please educate me.

1) Where do I find the details of who is on the road race board and the guidelines for those on it and operating the board please. The MNZ web site is a bloody night mare to try and find any details in unless you have all day to waste

2) please supply me with a TOTAL number of road race licence holders in NZ ie 367 holders or what ever it may be



Budda, are you saying that these decisions should be made by an appeal committee and not the current board? if so, please give your reasoning to this mate.

What I'm saying is that ANY Appeals are referred to a separate body, ( The Appeal Committee ) from my point of view to remove any perception/ accusations of undue influence etc
The members of this Appeal Committee are chosen from a pool of "suitable" folks each time

As for the current situation, clearly I have an opinion - but right now, on here, is not the place to share it

Billy
27th February 2014, 07:46
If you ( not you, you know what I mean ) are one of them, GOOD NEWS - now's your chance to prove it

YES!!!! and I can here the turning of wagon wheels heading from Canterbury to Huntly as we speak

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOT!!!

scott411
27th February 2014, 07:48
Budda or Billy, please educate me.

1) Where do I find the details of who is on the road race board and the guidelines for those on it and operating the board please. The MNZ web site is a bloody night mare to try and find any details in unless you have all day to waste

2) please supply me with a TOTAL number of road race licence holders in NZ ie 367 holders or what ever it may be



Budda, are you saying that these decisions should be made by an appeal committee and not the current board? if so, please give your reasoning to this mate.


MNZ does not have a road race board, it has an overall board, here is the list http://www.mnz.co.nz/contact-us

Billy
27th February 2014, 07:53
Billy opened a can of worms on himself by getting on here and awnsering questions and making comments. He has done it with total commitment to our sport, but really caused himself a lot more work. If I was in his position, I would just stick too officual channells and correct processes for communicationg ( Emails and phone calls only) with the riders/teams/sponsors etc, and not use a public web site for conducting motorcycle buisness.

I agree that this particular site is probably not the best to conduct MNZ business on AND YET,I have been rubbished by some for not using this site enough,Not to my face of course,Cause thats not how some operate,Thats why I purchased the domain name nzsbk.co.nz to set up a controlled enviroment for discussion to take place,That domain name is currently employed by Skunk and Leigh Presant to display the entries for NZSBK 2014,Dunno what I'll do with it after that.

Billy
27th February 2014, 07:56
MNZ does not have a road race board, it has an overall board, here is the list http://www.mnz.co.nz/contact-us

Yip,

EXCEPT,When there is a roadrace specific topic,ONLY the onroad board members and the President take part,DO NOT get me started.

budda
27th February 2014, 08:05
Yip,

EXCEPT,When there is a roadrace specific topic,ONLY the onroad board members and the President take part,DO NOT get me started.

Oh SHIT ........ DONT POKE THE BEAR:eek5::gob::facepalm:

Billy
27th February 2014, 08:07
Oh SHIT ........ DONT POKE THE BEAR:eek5::gob::facepalm:

The BEAR is no match for the Elephant....if you get my drift

budda
27th February 2014, 08:12
The BEAR is no match for the Elephant....if you get my drift

I've often said that ........

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 08:16
MNZ does not have a road race board, it has an overall board, here is the list http://www.mnz.co.nz/contact-us








Thanks Scott. Is there a written description of the roll relating to road racing?

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 08:21
Yip,

EXCEPT,When there is a roadrace specific topic,ONLY the onroad board members and the President take part,DO NOT get me started.




I will ask you also then Billy, is it in writing some where as to the responsibillities of the board, as it is blatantly obvious this system needs urgent attn.

I have been trying to find the minutes since 2010 and on from the AGM and ROAD RACING ONLY related issue;s/comments/suggested future options/idea's. Maybe you could point me in the write direction for this also.

budda
27th February 2014, 08:43
I will ask you also then Billy, is it in writing some where as to the responsibillities of the board, as it is blatantly obvious this system needs urgent attn.

I have been trying to find the minutes since 2010 and on from the AGM and ROAD RACING ONLY related issue;s/comments/suggested future options/idea's. Maybe you could point me in the write direction for this also.

The good old Constitution is what the whole shebang is run by - has to be.

Not trying to be a clever dick mate, suggest you contact Vicki at the office for any specific info you need

scott411
27th February 2014, 08:45
Thanks Scott. Is there a written description of the roll relating to road racing?

I presume you mean the road race comissioner, this is not road race specific, but is the commissioners policy, http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/policies/commissioner-policy

scott411
27th February 2014, 08:46
The good old Constitution is what the whole shebang is run by - has to be.

Not trying to be a clever dick mate, suggest you contact Vicki at the office for any specific info you need

http://www.mnz.co.nz/about-us/constitution

budda
27th February 2014, 09:00
I presume you mean the road race comissioner, this is not road race specific, but is the commissioners policy, http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/policies/commissioner-policy

Have a wee squiz on the MNZ website Shaun, all relevant links are on there ......

And while you're asking Vicki for the specific info you're after, run any Commissioner related queries past her too - she is the official link between the do-ers and the Board

RobGassit
27th February 2014, 09:45
The BEAR is no match for the Elephant....if you get my drift

Can we expect the Bears head to disappear up the Elephants arse anytime soon?

budda
27th February 2014, 09:49
Can we expect the Bears head to disappear up the Elephants arse anytime soon?

One of the few times rectal grapes come in handy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek5:

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 09:51
Have a wee squiz on the MNZ website Shaun, all relevant links are on there ......

And while you're asking Vicki for the specific info you're after, run any Commissioner related queries past her too - she is the official link between the do-ers and the Board




will do but one more question first buddy ( I have not renewed my licence this year, so technically will be limited to awnsers I can get re my questions.

who is on the sponsorship committee at MNZ?

RobGassit
27th February 2014, 10:07
Appeal results just posted,, as expected. How many balls were dropped and by whom? Does anyone care anymore? History repeating itself and a burgeoning class facing a loss of credibility. Is an EJC style class where the bikes are provided the only possible way to level the class to riders ability? Is a NZ Motorcycle Championship worth what it once was?

budda
27th February 2014, 10:08
will do but one more question first buddy ( I have not renewed my licence this year, so technically will be limited to awnsers I can get re my questions.

who is on the sponsorship committee at MNZ?

JT and Paul Stewart Sir

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 10:22
[QUOTE=scott411;1130684876]1: everyone in this sport has conflicts, weather it has been to brands, parts, clubs or riders, if it comes up, you excuse yourself,



To quote from one of the links you supplied on here for me



• The Chair and Commission members agree not to allow their membership on the Commission to serve personal ends and will not let personal interest or the interests of a third party (e.g. an organisation in which they are a member) conflict with those of MNZ. The Chair or any Commission member who has a conflict of interest and/or loyalty either financial or personal in any proposal that is put before the meeting of the relevant body must declare that conflict of interest and/or loyalty and leave the meeting, and not seek to influence debate on the proposal nor vote on the proposal.






we have one member of the Board who has major conflicting interests with the motorcycle parts etc he sells, there is NO way for him to act impartially, he should stand down from the board totally. How could a person who is making a living from selling motorcycle parts ( Some safety related) able to make impartiall quick decisions for the good of the sport whilst in there mind certain rules do not work for them buisness wise. This is a little to close to home if you ask me. It would kinda be like making Robert T in charge of suspension rules, very very hard to declare and act upon the conflict of interest.

I think we also need a totaly different board for ROAD RACING ONLY consisting of 2 members only, they work towards supporting the commisioner/s and also act as SPONSORSHIP gatherers for Road racing Only

1 nth 1 sth rep = the board and say 3 commisioners to divide the 7 classes up betweenthem to smooth out and lesson the work load trying to be done by one person currently. The board as it currently is, DOES NOT WORK!

This is not an MNZ problem, it is an us problem, we own MNZ and jointly need to re structure systems so they will and can function proffessionaly.

As soon as I can afford too, I will re new my licence to get awnsers to some of the questions I need awnsering

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 10:25
JT and Paul Stewart Sir




Cheers, and how can I find out how much sponsorship that team generated and where it was directed too for say the last 2 financuall callender years of MNZ.


Hey, do wana be my secretary darling

scott411
27th February 2014, 10:32
[QUOTE=scott411;1130684876]1: everyone in this sport has conflicts, weather it has been to brands, parts, clubs or riders, if it comes up, you excuse yourself,



To quote from one of the links you supplied on here for me



• The Chair and Commission members agree not to allow their membership on the Commission to serve personal ends and will not let personal interest or the interests of a third party (e.g. an organisation in which they are a member) conflict with those of MNZ. The Chair or any Commission member who has a conflict of interest and/or loyalty either financial or personal in any proposal that is put before the meeting of the relevant body must declare that conflict of interest and/or loyalty and leave the meeting, and not seek to influence debate on the proposal nor vote on the proposal.







we have one member of the Board who has major conflicting interests with the motorcycle parts etc he sells, there is NO way for him to act impartially, he should stand down from the board totally. How could a person who is making a living from selling motorcycle parts ( Some safety related) able to make impartiall quick decisions for the good of the sport whilst in there mind certain rules do not work for them buisness wise. This is a little to close to home if you ask me. It would kinda be like making Robert T in charge of suspension rules, very very hard to declare and act upon the conflict of interest.

I think we also need a totaly different board for ROAD RACING ONLY consisting of 2 members only, they work towards supporting the commisioner/s and also act as SPONSORSHIP gatherers for Road racing Only

1 nth 1 sth rep = the board and say 3 commisioners to divide the 7 classes up betweenthem to smooth out and lesson the work load trying to be done by one person currently. The board as it currently is, DOES NOT WORK!

This is not an MNZ problem, it is an us problem, we own MNZ and jointly need to re structure systems so they will and can function proffessionaly.

As soon as I can afford too, I will re new my licence to get awnsers to some of the questions I need awnsering


read the section about inserting rule changes, and the section about the conference coming up and consitution changes, writing on here will not change rules, there is a proper way to do it,

it is worth mentioning, that no one ran against Kevin, infact i think its been about 4 or 5 years since any board member except the Presidents job has needed an election, because their has only been one nomination,

wharfy
27th February 2014, 10:47
YES!!!! and I can here the turning of wagon wheels heading from Canterbury to Huntly as we speak

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOT!!!

I lived in Huntly for the first 15 years of my life (left as soon as I got a motorcycle license:) )
As much as I'd LOVE to be Road Race Commissioner I don't think I could go back now :)

*yes I know you don't have to live in Huntly - this is as close to humour as I can get at 10 to lunch time, I'm starving...

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 11:09
[QUOTE=Moto-Dynamix;1130684979]


read the section about inserting rule changes, and the section about the conference coming up and consitution changes, writing on here will not change rules, there is a proper way to do it,

it is worth mentioning, that no one ran against Kevin, infact i think its been about 4 or 5 years since any board member except the Presidents job has needed an election, because their has only been one nomination,





Yes there is Scott, but by starting on here I am obtaining information required to go forward with and it is often faster to ask a question than it is to research for the awnsers reqd. Thanks for your healthy replies and suggestions though.

scrivy
27th February 2014, 11:29
All this talk about bears and elephants...... sounds like a feckin circus.......

Soooo.... anyone care to elaborate what the problems are??
If need be, PM me. It'll stay private.

Otherwise I have to spend more hours reading this thread..... :wacko::crazy:

Robert Taylor
27th February 2014, 11:55
No-one I know who's actually done the job went in expecting to be a criticism-free zone - Criticism is generally healthy, but I believe what Herr Von Billington is getting at is that there are innumerable critics out there telling each other and anyone who'll listen, that they could do a much much better job

If you ( not you, you know what I mean ) are one of them, GOOD NEWS - now's your chance to prove it

As Shaun correctly pointed out ''conflict of interest'' in being a supplier. The problem is to find anyone that has the neccessary skills, experience and with a sound head and without some conflict is a big ask in such a small fishbowl.

FROSTY
27th February 2014, 12:08
My view as outsider looking in (currently) -RRC should be a paid job funded by those who race. But then how do you raise the money needed ?
Incidently Shaun -Thin about what you posted for a minute.
What does billy do for a living?
What rule changes re road race bikes have been introduced that could argueably DIRECTLY benefit Billy?
Do I think for a MICROSECOND that was the reason the rules are being introduced? NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!!!
Every single one is in line with what is standard practice overseas and every one makes sense.
BUT people with the commitment to the admin of the sport and skins thick enough to deal with the flack are really hard to come by.
To rule them out because they might have a conflict of interest means we are left with?
perhaps though if there is a potential conflict of interest then that person should be excluded from voting rights on that specific subject.

FROSTY
27th February 2014, 12:10
As Shaun correctly pointed out ''conflict of interest'' in being a supplier. The problem is to find anyone that has the neccessary skills, experience and with a sound head and without some conflict is a big ask in such a small fishbowl.
I just spent ages typing up my reply then you jump in saying the same thing as me

scrivy
27th February 2014, 12:22
perhaps though if there is a potential conflict of interest then that person should be excluded from voting rights on that specific subject.

7.2.3 No Officer may vote on any matter in which they or their employer or any closely related party to them has a conflict of interest, including (but not limited to) a commercial interest or pecuniary gain from the outcome.

Already there Frosty.

FROSTY
27th February 2014, 12:26
7.2.3 No Officer may vote on any matter in which they or their employer or any closely related party to them has a conflict of interest, including (but not limited to) a commercial interest or pecuniary gain from the outcome.

Already there Frosty.
Well thar you go

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 12:32
As Shaun correctly pointed out ''conflict of interest'' in being a supplier. The problem is to find anyone that has the neccessary skills, experience and with a sound head and without some conflict is a big ask in such a small fishbowl.


The board currently 5 members

1) Jim Tuckerman MNZ
2) Paul Stewart Manufacturers rep

3) Kevin Goddard, Motorcycle parts salesman specialist- Massive conflicting interests
4) Carmen Davidson
5) Dave Craig

Commisioner Billy ( Currently)

Drop no 3-5 permanently due to conflicting interests and 4 and 5 are just not required to manage a board for Road Racing related buisness. A board of 2 can and will communicate faster and more proffessionaly than 5 can ( In an un paid position) Time is of the essence.

Install 3 commissioners to split the work load and to have a more ballanced say in the things that need changing/managing/updating- NO EXTRA COST involved to MNZ for this.

3 Commissioneers just for the hell of posting

Scrivy------- Not asked
Wharfy-------Not asked
Me- I spoke to him and he agreed too if a 3 man board

7 race classes divided into 3 seperate groups of who to contact re which class you have idea;s/questions for.

1) No conflicting interests from any party of the above 5 mentioned
2) buisness history and passionate people about the commitment for the said rolls

budda
27th February 2014, 12:44
The board currently 5 members

1) Jim Tuckerman MNZ
2) Paul Stewart Manufacturers rep

3) Kevin Goddard, Motorcycle parts salesman specialist- Massive conflicting interests
4) Carmen Davidson
5) Dave Craig

Commisioner Billy ( Currently)

Drop no 3-5 permanently due to conflicting interests and 4 and 5 are just not required to manage a board for Road Racing related buisness. A board of 2 can and will communicate faster and more proffessionaly than 5 can ( In an un paid position) Time is of the essence.

Install 3 commissioners to split the work load and to have a more ballanced say in the things that need changing/managing/updating- NO EXTRA COST involved to MNZ for this.

3 Commissioneers just for the hell of posting

Scrivy------- Not asked
Wharfy-------Not asked
Me- I spoke to him and he agreed too if a 3 man board

7 race classes divided into 3 seperate groups of who to contact re which class you have idea;s/questions for.

1) No conflicting interests from any party of the above 5 mentioned
2) buisness history and passionate people about the commitment for the said rolls

Need to get facts straight BEFORE posting - Paul S is NOT a manufacturers Rep, Kevin G is a specialist injection moulding thingy if memory serves me correctly.

As for multiple Commissioners - I had a Commission of 5 incl me, with over 170 years racing experience at Championship level, and that still wasn't sufficient for many on here - good luck with that !!!!!!!

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 12:52
Need to get facts straight BEFORE posting - Paul S is NOT a manufacturers Rep, Kevin G is a specialist injection moulding thingy if memory serves me correctly.

As for multiple Commissioners - I had a Commission of 5 incl me, with over 170 years racing experience at Championship level, and that still wasn't sufficient for many on here - good luck with that !!!!!!!







facts are correct Budda! Paul S CAN act on behalf of the distributors, and kevin does sell motorcycle related parts. Take a breath buddy, Im just seeing what people on here think about ideas

scott411
27th February 2014, 12:55
facts are correct Budda! Paul S CAN act on behalf of the distributors, and kevin does sell motorcycle related parts. Take a breath buddy, Im just seeing what people on here think about ideas

Paul S is elected as the North ISland road board member, he used to be the distributor rep on the board but that position does not exist anymore,

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 13:00
Paul S is elected as the North ISland road board member, he used to be the distributor rep on the board but that position does not exist anymore,





The way I worded Jim T roll is factual

The way I worded Paul S roll is how I see his roll should be, without the manufacturers support, we have no road racing, and need there input to implement future rule/class changes

Robert Taylor
27th February 2014, 13:06
The board currently 5 members

1) Jim Tuckerman MNZ
2) Paul Stewart Manufacturers rep

3) Kevin Goddard, Motorcycle parts salesman specialist- Massive conflicting interests
4) Carmen Davidson
5) Dave Craig

Commisioner Billy ( Currently)

Drop no 3-5 permanently due to conflicting interests and 4 and 5 are just not required to manage a board for Road Racing related buisness. A board of 2 can and will communicate faster and more proffessionaly than 5 can ( In an un paid position) Time is of the essence.

Install 3 commissioners to split the work load and to have a more ballanced say in the things that need changing/managing/updating- NO EXTRA COST involved to MNZ for this.

3 Commissioneers just for the hell of posting

Scrivy------- Not asked
Wharfy-------Not asked
Me- I spoke to him and he agreed too if a 3 man board

7 race classes divided into 3 seperate groups of who to contact re which class you have idea;s/questions for.

1) No conflicting interests from any party of the above 5 mentioned
2) buisness history and passionate people about the commitment for the said rolls

I would care to point out in part that Kevin needs a little defending from what might be viewed as ''massive conflict''. The return that he is getting on the road race related products he is selling is in fact very poor. Especially when you factor in his real costs at attending meetings. Whether you love him or loathe him he is dipping into his economic wellbeing to see people enjoying themselves going round and round in circles
So many road racers forget that the goods they purchase off the likes of Kevin have abysmal markup over landed cost so he cant have Briscoes style 50% off sales. And of course as a legitimate business he suffers the indignity of looking at what people can bring in directly offshore without having to pay clearance and gst. That really sucks and the Government needs to have the balls to redress that issue.
So on balance I think its a good thing that a component supplier is on the commission and absolutely there has to be a motorcycle distributor representative. Especially given that one of the distributors has historically put up a lot of money over the years

scott411
27th February 2014, 13:08
The way I worded Jim T roll is factual

The way I worded Paul S roll is how I see his roll should be, without the manufacturers support, we have no road racing, and need there input to implement future rule/class changes

I think they way you mention it, and the way Budda said he ran it with a multi person commission is a good way to do it, I still think you need a head of that commission as well,

Also i think the board should have very little to do with the running of road racing, thats not their job, its the job of the road race comission,

jellywrestler
27th February 2014, 13:14
As for multiple Commissioners - I had a Commission of 5 incl me, with over 170 years racing experience at Championship level, and that still wasn't sufficient for many on here - good luck with that !!!!!!!

150 years were yours you old neanderthal....

jellywrestler
27th February 2014, 13:16
I would care to point out in part that Kevin needs a little defending from what might be viewed as ''massive conflict''. The return that he is getting on the road race related products he is selling is in fact very poor. Especially when you factor in his real costs at attending meetings. Whether you love him or loathe him he is dipping into his economic wellbeing to see people enjoying themselves going round and round in circles
So many road racers forget that the goods they purchase off the likes of Kevin have abysmal markup over landed cost so he cant have Briscoes style 50% off sales. And of course as a legitimate business he suffers the indignity of looking at what people can bring in directly offshore without having to pay clearance and gst. That really sucks and the Government needs to have the balls to redress that issue.
So on balance I think its a good thing that a component supplier is on the commission and absolutely there has to be a motorcycle distributor representative. Especially given that one of the distributors has historically put up a lot of money over the years

well done, you didn't mention maggie thatcher once in that post...

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 13:16
I think they way you mention it, and the way Budda said he ran it with a multi person commission is a good way to do it, I still think you need a head of that commission as well,

Also i think the board should have very little to do with the running of road racing, thats not their job, its the job of the road race comission,







Bang on Scott I see it that way also. Hence my suggestion for 3 commissioners to manage it effectively

scott411
27th February 2014, 13:20
Bang on Scott I see it that way also. Hence my suggestion for 3 commissioners to manage it effectively

I would think 3 would not be enough, remember this commisioner overseas all road racing, not just the NZ champs, so classics, post classics, buckets, super motard, street racing, etc etc,

budda
27th February 2014, 13:30
I would think 3 would not be enough, remember this commisioner overseas all road racing, not just the NZ champs, so classics, post classics, buckets, super motard, street racing, etc etc,

, beach, hillclimbs, etc etc etc

Shaun Harris
27th February 2014, 14:56
I would think 3 would not be enough, remember this commisioner overseas all road racing, not just the NZ champs, so classics, post classics, buckets, super motard, street racing, etc etc,





I can only base my suggestions upon the current structure Scott, and one man has done it well.

vickib
28th February 2014, 17:54
Why would anyone want this position if they will not have the support of their own governing body.
MNZ needs a clean out! But replacing Billy is completely absurd. The way a few competitors have managed to undermine the systems put in place to protect our sport for all members is staggering.
Winning appeals on minor legal technicalities needs sorting too. Getting away with breaking rules because the notification was not on the right form for example, is the kind of loopholes we need to close. Sad days for motorcycle sport.

BRAVO:clap:

vickib
28th February 2014, 18:03
Appeal results just posted,, as expected. How many balls were dropped and by whom? Does anyone care anymore? History repeating itself and a burgeoning class facing a loss of credibility. Is an EJC style class where the bikes are provided the only possible way to level the class to riders ability? Is a NZ Motorcycle Championship worth what it once was?


agree with you. Wise words

ellipsis
28th February 2014, 22:58
...could somebody that gets a position in this pseudo kb ghost structure steering committee that is already getting sillier than the shambles they are shadowing, let the 85% of MNZ fee paying members that just want to have a day out with their mates or tussle at a localised street meeting and not put too much time or effort into even thinking about national competitions, let them know what you all come up with and spend their money on...and shit...thanks...

Grumph
1st March 2014, 06:12
...could somebody that gets a position in this pseudo kb ghost structure steering committee that is already getting sillier than the shambles they are shadowing, let the 85% of MNZ fee paying members that just want to have a day out with their mates or tussle at a localised street meeting and not put too much time or effort into even thinking about national competitions, let them know what you all come up with and spend their money on...and shit...thanks...

Sadly Neil, I doubt whether they will. Communication skills have never been a part of the job description.

Personally, i think the system would run better if all communications to and from MNZ had to be carved in stone tablets....

Billy
1st March 2014, 07:32
...could somebody that gets a position in this pseudo kb ghost structure steering committee that is already getting sillier than the shambles they are shadowing, let the 85% of MNZ fee paying members that just want to have a day out with their mates or tussle at a localised street meeting and not put too much time or effort into even thinking about national competitions, let them know what you all come up with and spend their money on...and shit...thanks...

85% of fee paying members,Oh you need to be talking to the motorcross commissioner and when you do,See if you can do it to his face.

Billy
1st March 2014, 07:40
Sadly Neil, I doubt whether they will. Communication skills have never been a part of the job description.

Personally, i think the system would run better if all communications to and from MNZ had to be carved in stone tablets....

Why's that Greg,Cause we didnt ring you every night and fill you in on the days events? Don't remember too many people complaining about the lack of response from this commissioner,I would have thought somebody with your experience would have understood just how big the job is,If you want to know the truth,The bulk of the problems are caused by the people who stick their hand up for jobs at club AGM's,That don't have a clue how to actually do the job they secure and get NO training from the club,Seriously the amount of needless work the commissioner has to deal with because the club official only did half of theirs is mind boggling.

Grumph
1st March 2014, 08:10
Why's that Greg,Cause we didnt ring you every night and fill you in on the days events? Don't remember too many people complaining about the lack of response from this commissioner,I would have thought somebody with your experience would have understood just how big the job is,If you want to know the truth,The bulk of the problems are caused by the people who stick their hand up for jobs at club AGM's,That don't have a clue how to actually do the job they secure and get NO training from the club,Seriously the amount of needless work the commissioner has to deal with because the club official only did half of theirs is mind boggling.

I quite agree - i too have been stuck with keeping a club going with people who didn't know the first thing about it...Or at one memorable club AGM, appointing a referee to stop a mass fistfight....

My suggestion of stone tablets was to reduce the problems...
It would discorage irrelevant correspondence
It would discourage questions which could be answered by referring to the rulebook.
it would encourage brevity in both question and answer
The tablets - if a standard size - would be recyclable. Either as a defensive wall for headquarters or to build a bunker...
At AGM's used correspondence could be provided for the purpose of stoning rejected officials.

Alas it's just a pipedream.

MVnut
1st March 2014, 11:42
This should be a paid job, just my 2c. There are probably a number of people would could fill this position well, but the hours involved should make it a job with financial benefit.

Shaun Harris
1st March 2014, 12:32
This should be a paid job, just my 2c. There are probably a number of people would could fill this position well, but the hours involved should make it a job with financial benefit.




And how many paid office staff are there these days to stamp licenses basically- it really is a seriously screwed up Club that does not operate to it's own quoted agenda of growing sport hahaha Yea write

Time for a series not run in any way by a company called MNZ

Shaun Harris
1st March 2014, 13:13
Bring back F1 F2 F3 and lets get on with doing skids again

Shaun Harris
1st March 2014, 13:21
what has changed so much that one person Sandra Perry could run the whole show on her own basically, or yea, the dirt scene! Well let MNZ have the dirt scene and lets just move on and far far away asap

Shaun Harris
13th March 2014, 08:55
Anyone aware of any names being put forward for this position??

nodrog
13th March 2014, 09:04
I think Scrivy is keen.

Shaun Harris
13th March 2014, 09:12
I think Scrivy is keen.






He would be my first choice. Great knoledge and buisness management history

Shaun Harris
30th March 2014, 08:11
Last day in the position and Thankyou Billy for the work you have done for our sport. www.ctas.co.nz has shown just how healthy racing is actually on the track.

budda
31st March 2014, 07:58
Last day in the position and Thankyou Billy for the work you have done for our sport. www.ctas.co.nz has shown just how healthy racing is actually on the track.

Kind of gives the lie to all the naysayers queued up to put the knife in, eh ..........

scrivy
31st March 2014, 08:42
Nodrog can drive a forklift.... does he qualify.....??? :rolleyes::lol:

Shaun Harris
31st March 2014, 16:38
Nodrog can drive a forklift.... does he qualify.....??? :rolleyes::lol:





Best be asking Drew

nodrog
31st March 2014, 16:45
Nodrog can drive a forklift.... does he qualify.....??? :rolleyes::lol:

I did more than qualify, I hold that lap record at Eastern Creek!

Drew
31st March 2014, 19:15
Billy opened a can of worms on himself by getting on here and awnsering questions and making comments. He has done it with total commitment to our sport, but really caused himself a lot more work. If I was in his position, I would just stick too officual channells and correct processes for communicationg ( Emails and phone calls only) with the riders/teams/sponsors etc, and not use a public web site for conducting motorcycle buisness.Actually Shaun, Graeme has repeatedly said he will not conduct anything official on KB. He was a member on here long before he took an official role at MNZ, and as such is entitled to talk as much shit as the rest of us.


I agree that this particular site is probably not the best to conduct MNZ business on AND YET,I have been rubbished by some for not using this site enough,Not to my face of course,Cause thats not how some operate,Thats why I purchased the domain name nzsbk.co.nz to set up a controlled enviroment for discussion to take place,That domain name is currently employed by Skunk and Leigh Presant to display the entries for NZSBK 2014,Dunno what I'll do with it after that.I encourage the new commissioner to continue with phone and email only. Anything serious, face to face meetings should be arranged.


I will ask you also then Billy, is it in writing some where as to the responsibillities of the board, as it is blatantly obvious this system needs urgent attn.

I have been trying to find the minutes since 2010 and on from the AGM and ROAD RACING ONLY related issue;s/comments/suggested future options/idea's. Maybe you could point me in the write direction for this also.Wait. Do you want him to use this site or not?


will do but one more question first buddy ( I have not renewed my licence this year, so technically will be limited to awnsers I can get re my questions.

who is on the sponsorship committee at MNZ?As you are not a member, should you not be asking if you have any right to be asking? Before you ask like.


...it is an us problem, we own MNZ and jointly need to re structure systems so they will and can function proffessionaly.Until the following is addressed, I refer to me earlier statement.


As soon as I can afford too, I will re new my licence to get awnsers to some of the questions I need awnsering


Cheers, and how can I find out how much sponsorship that team generated and where it was directed too for say the last 2 financuall callender years of MNZ.


Hey, do wana be my secretary darlingThis is getting repetitive.


And how many paid office staff are there these days to stamp licenses basically- it really is a seriously screwed up Club that does not operate to it's own quoted agenda of growing sport hahaha Yea write

Time for a series not run in any way by a company called MNZIsn't there a stand down period for running at non FIM events, before racing a sanctioned one?


Best be asking Drew
Why? I'm barely qualified to start a bike.

Shaun Harris
1st April 2014, 06:47
Actually Shaun, Graeme has repeatedly said he will not conduct anything official on KB. He was a member on here long before he took an official role at MNZ, and as such is entitled to talk as much shit as the rest of us.

I encourage the new commissioner to continue with phone and email only. Anything serious, face to face meetings should be arranged.

Wait. Do you want him to use this site or not?

As you are not a member, should you not be asking if you have any right to be asking? Before you ask like.

Until the following is addressed, I refer to me earlier statement.



This is getting repetitive.

Isn't there a stand down period for running at non FIM events, before racing a sanctioned one?


Why? I'm barely qualified to start a bike.


In order

True
Agreed
Yes
Maybe
mmmmm
mmmmmm
Questions need awnsers from interested parties
Not 100% sure
When it runs you are

Enjoy your day

Drew
1st April 2014, 07:04
I don't think there are any interested parties, not for the job of commissioner at least.

There are a couple of people who might be great for the job...but considering the dedication required to do it well, they are over extended with regards to time already. It's a character trait of the person we want in the job. How Graeme found time I'll never know.

So, it's a retiree as most obviously available. But, they tend to be getting on in years. So their experience might be somewhat outdated.

jellywrestler
1st April 2014, 07:33
I don't think there are any interested parties, not for the job of commissioner at least.

There are a couple of people who might be great for the job...but considering the dedication required to do it well, they are over extended with regards to time already. It's a character trait of the person we want in the job. How Graeme found time I'll never know.

So, it's a retiree as most obviously available. But, they tend to be getting on in years. So their experience might be somewhat outdated.

there is and he would make a great RRC, i was worried that we'd be left high and dry but i have much faith in the person i know whose standing. i'm only aware of the one at this stage.

Shaun Harris
1st April 2014, 07:55
there is and he would make a great RRC, i was worried that we'd be left high and dry but i have much faith in the person i know whose standing. i'm only aware of the one at this stage.







Great news man!

The Chow
1st April 2014, 10:36
there is and he would make a great RRC, i was worried that we'd be left high and dry but i have much faith in the person i know whose standing. i'm only aware of the one at this stage.

Agreed with the potential commissioner and also the two other potential new board members (New Position: North Island Rep ) (and North Island on road rep). Both guys have a ton of experience and one in particular is a successful business man and recent ex-racer and champion and the other???

Official annoucement I would imagine any day now from MNZ.

scrivy
1st April 2014, 11:02
Official annoucement I would imagine any day now from MNZ.

Or at least the minimum time requirement under MNZ's constitution.... :innocent::shifty:

Shaun Harris
1st April 2014, 11:22
Agreed with the potential commissioner and also the two other potential new board members (New Position: North Island Rep ) (and North Island on road rep). Both guys have a ton of experience and one in particular is a successful business man and recent ex-racer and champion and the other???

Official annoucement I would imagine any day now from MNZ.







Sounds very promising for the Future Ian

Shaun Harris
5th April 2014, 09:18
No announcement yet that I can find

Drew
5th April 2014, 09:31
No announcement yet that I can find

What you are waiting for is the AGM agenda. That will have the voting schedule if someone is standing against anyone, or list those nominated un-opposed.

Shaun Harris
5th April 2014, 09:40
What you are waiting for is the AGM agenda. That will have the voting schedule if someone is standing against anyone, or list those nominated un-opposed.





NO mate, read back a couple of posts and see what Chow said

nodrog
5th April 2014, 11:27
No announcement yet that I can find

are you a member?

Shaun Harris
5th April 2014, 18:56
are you a member?






Good point

Drew
5th April 2014, 22:23
NO mate, read back a couple of posts and see what Chow saidYeah, the announcement will come in the form of an AGM agenda.

There's no point in any advertising. Join up (though you will be paying a lot for a moths membership) and it will be emailed to you like the rest of us.