I'm thinking of getting into dirt. What bike?

[Brett]

Righto...decided that I would like to do some dirt riding. Looking to do trail riding largely. My dirt riding pals have suggested a 250cc is easier to ride/less work than the larger bikes. I have someone possibly keen to do a swap + cash deal on my CBR1000rr for a 2009 Honda crf250x. What are people's thoughts on this bike? Any other model recommendations to look at? I am not Brand/make loyal. I want something that is not too painful maintenance wise, is reasonably powerful (I am 6ft 3, 100kg) and handles well. I am keen to stay 4 stroke.

Fire thoughts away.

Cheers

[thorns]

A 250 endure bike you might outgrow it quickly, they are fun to ride, but do lack a bit of horsepower, on the faster flowing sections, you just have the thing wide open trying to make it go faster.
Given the fact that your coming off a fast road bike, I think you may be let down by a 250 4 stroke endure bike.

Personally would suggest a 450 enduro bike, still easy to ride, but have that extra torque/power when you need it, or depending on budget could look at a 350 4 stroke, never ridden one myself, but lots of people seem to find it the perfect in between bike.

Although, I'd also say before you rule out the 2 strokes, have a look at some of the options, they are pretty good, lighter, more powerful, cheaper to maintain, drowning them isn't as much of an issue......lots to choose from as well, from 150 through to 300cc which are pretty much tractors and will walk up any hill.

End of the day, best way if possible is to try get a few rides on different bikes, its the only way to really find what works for you.

[Jay GTI]

The CRF250X is an excellent choice to start out on. Most 450 enduro bikes (WR, RMX, EXC etc) are grunty enough to make life hard for you if are a complete dirt noob. They're also all a bit on the heavy side, not so much an issue when you're riding, but as you'll be doing a lot of picking the bike up while you're learning... a light bike is definitely your friend.

The main thing to remember, if you're pretty good on a road bike, that is largely irrelevant on a dirt bike. Most of what you do on a road bike, you do backwards on a dirt bike. It'll take a while to unlearn those instincts, so while you're doing that, make your life as easy as possible.

Having said that, the 250X is a bit on the friendly side, power-wise, but while that is perfect to begin with, you may get a little frustrated when you start picking up skills. However a decent exhaust and jetting to suit apparently wakes them up nicely, so you can get more out of them when you feel you're ready. They're also known for being bullet-proof, which is again great for starting out.

I have a 350, I agree with Thorns that they are a perfect compromise for the "heavier gentleman", but not really necessary and most people are faster on smaller bikes, bigger bikes just make you a lazy rider.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why not consider a DRZ400 mate?

[Jay GTI]

Why not consider a DRZ400 mate?

They weigh several metric tonnes. Not a bike you will want to pick up regularly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

They weigh several metric tonnes. Not a bike you will want to pick up regularly.

I know mate...I've owned/raced one. But whilst they're not lightweight by any means...Brett ain't looking for a race bike, and at 6'3", he's more than big enough to pick the thing up etc. I would've thought as a first *trail bike*...they're fucking ideal for someone his size. Bullet proof too.

[Jay GTI]

I know mate...I've owned/raced one. But whilst they're not lightweight by any means...Brett ain't looking for a race bike, and at 6'3", he's more than big enough to pick the thing up etc. I would've thought as a first *trail bike*...they're fucking ideal for someone his size. Bullet proof too.

This is true, but while I'm not tall, I'm a decent build (loosehead prop in the school rugby team, way back when), last time I rode a DR400 I was seeing stars trying to drag that bastard up a slippery hill. He probably would be sweet, but I firmly believe in making life as easy as possible when trying to ride dirt for the first time.

I took a bunch of roadies out to Thundercross a couple of years ago to get them to try dirt riding, they had the choice of hiring DRZ250s or 400s, the couple that went for the 400s really struggled. Even though they were plenty experienced on the road, they found the weight and even the power a bit too much.

[leathel]

How mechanically minded are you? the race style 4 stroke bikes do have short service periods and if you intend to do a lot of riding be prepared for top end rebuilds etc

CRF250F is a great start if its not due for a rebuild

KX/RM/CR 450 F's are loads of fun and for trail rides, I would go the enduro model for the electric start as those rides through bogs/ slippery clay slopes etc are dicey to try and kick start your bike in at times !

I went down the DRZ400 route as I wanted to just ride and do F/all maintanace, I am not racing and its a bloody tractor in the wet slippery shit, keep the revs low and it just kept trucking over the slippery clay on a recent ride that say bikes laying all over the track..... It is heavy and way short on my brothers RMX 450 when it comes to suspension and HP but it is also has a way longer span before it needs to be rebuilt.

I still love blatting around on my OLD XR250 and its as rough as guts but you can still give it heaps and thrash it...

If I was buying again and a 450 RMX turned up that had a good service history I would still love one but be ware they can get you in trouble as they get you going deceptively quick!

If you want to go Kickstart only look at this video and think how hard it would be to start the bike when you are sliding down the slope.... not even that steep at that stage. Not my footage, one of the Mr Motorcycles mechanics from memory...... I really enjoyed that ride as the DRZ tractored through that slippery shit very well :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbelapS9J74

[thorns]

I feel bad I pissed myself laughing when he just starting sliding on his arse haha.

Some interesting videos on the sidebar there....

[scott411]

I feel bad I pissed myself laughing when he just starting sliding on his arse haha.

Some interesting videos on the sidebar there....

he should have been standing up, might have helped, but i know that section well, and when its like that, its nasty slippery, we had to leave a bike in there one year as we could not tow it out, the 4x4 quad barley got out of that section, and they tell me it was even worse this year,

[leathel]

he should have been standing up, might have helped, but i know that section well, and when its like that, its nasty slippery, we had to leave a bike in there one year as we could not tow it out, the 4x4 quad barley got out of that section, and they tell me it was even worse this year,

I had a moment in the same spot when I stalled it trying to avoid another bike...(pretty sure it was the same spot) back overtook the front like his with each wheel in a different goove but the other way around so I was facing the direction on the track... the next down hill I saw someone try to walk his CR500 down the hill but it slid out and he fell forwards doing a superman slide down the hill, I wish I had my camera for that! :P

[Crisis management]

If that video doesn't convince you that a light bike is a good idea nothing will.

A DR is an adventure bike, not a trail bike, get something that weighs 100kgs so you can pick it up, electric start and about 30HP, a four stroke 250.

I don't know the Hondas' but get an entry level trail / enduro bike, not a motocross bike, ride it and see where you go from there, it's the bike to learn on, not the one to beat all your mates on.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A DR is an adventure bike, not a trail bike, .

Sorry, can't agree with that at all. A DR650 is an adventure bike for sure...but a DRZ400 is most certainly a trail bike.

[Crisis management]

Sorry, can't agree with that at all. A DR650 is an adventure bike for sure...but a DRZ400 is most certainly a trail bike.

We may have to agree to disgree then, I've ridden the DRZ as an adventure bike and there is no way I'm taking a 130kg lump into steep terrain when I can shed 30kgs by chosing a better bike.

I acknowledge you can use a DRZ as a trail bike but why would you if you have the choice of a better tool?

[Jay GTI]

I personally see the DRZ400 more as a hopped up farm bike :) Great engine though.

[leathel]

get something that weighs 100kgs so you can pick it up, electric start and about 30HP, a four stroke 250.



Good advice..... but the thing I struggled with is the hours they do before the engine overhaul for most of the bikes in this class, If you are of smaller build the CRF 230 almost does it, still a little heavy but to small for bigger build people. (Not looking for me but a friend...I used to ride an XR600 so the DRZ is light :P) I guess if you dont ride every weekend it takes a while to build up the hours but buying used is a lottery as to how many hours they have done and exactly what was done when serviced.

[Crasherfromwayback]

We may have to agree to disgree then, I've ridden the DRZ as an adventure bike and there is no way I'm taking a 130kg lump into steep terrain when I can shed 30kgs by chosing a better bike.

I acknowledge you can use a DRZ as a trail bike but why would you if you have the choice of a better tool?

I hear ya re the weight don't worry. But to me...the op wants a trail bike...and to get something down to 100kg's in a 4t...we're pretty much talking the highly strung put a piston in every 20hrs bunch of bikes no? But as we all know...every motorcycle on earth is a compromise of some sort.

[scott411]

If that video doesn't convince you that a light bike is a good idea nothing will.

A DR is an adventure bike, not a trail bike, get something that weighs 100kgs so you can pick it up, electric start and about 30HP, a four stroke 250.

I don't know the Hondas' but get an entry level trail / enduro bike, not a motocross bike, ride it and see where you go from there, it's the bike to learn on, not the one to beat all your mates on.

that video is n a RMZ250, fairly light bike, (lighter than a CRF250X) didnt help much

[Crisis management]

I hear ya re the weight don't worry. But to me...the op wants a trail bike...and to get something down to 100kg's in a 4t...we're pretty much talking the highly strung put a piston in every 20hrs bunch of bikes no? But as we all know...every motorcycle on earth is a compromise of some sort.

My 450 EXc has a couple of hundred hours on it and I expect to do the same again before needing any tear down, I'm sure some of the 250 4 strokes need lots of love but there are also some very durable engines, I would have thought a hundred hours was a reasonable expectation.
Mind you, I've been wrong about a dozen times so far today so maybe listen to someone that knows more about them!


that video is n a RMZ250, fairly light bike, (lighter than a CRF250X) didnt help much

That's my point, if you can get stuck with a light bike imagine what a heavy one would do.... might be faster getting to the bottom tho, the extra mass might just accelerate the inevitable! :blink:

Edit,
Maybe I'm coming at this from the wrong angle, my expectation is that the OP wants to take this into single track and steep terrain (Woodhill, Maramarua, Riverhead) if it's farm rides then I may be getting a bit carried away and a heavier bike is not such a big deal. Maybe it just needs two wheels and a bit of tread?

[Crasherfromwayback]

My 450 EXc has a couple of hundred hours on it and I expect to do the same again before needing any tear down, I'm sure some of the 250 4 strokes need lots of love but there are also some very durable engines, I would have thought a hundred hours was a reasonable expectation.
!


A couple of hundred hours without a rebuild? Holy shit if so!!!!

[raglanash]

Get a 450 man. Sheesh just roll it on like the CBR and your good.

[leathel]

That's my point, if you can get stuck with a light bike imagine what a heavy one would do.... might be faster getting to the bottom tho, the extra mass might just accelerate the inevitable! :blink:




I think in the case of that video dropping it is more to do with the rider... talking to him after he got back to the pits he dropped it 25+ times on the lap, It was looking a little sad considering it was a basically new Demo bike he borrowed when he couldn't get his going and didn't have to part to fix his, He mentioned something about probably owns it now!

My heavy pig only got dropped once for the day...... but yes that 250 should have been easier to get around.
Most of the Jap F models recommend 50 hour top end strip downs and 150 hour rebuilds from memory, Last Maramarua ride I did I rode from before official briefing (was briefed early and told go for it) until 3:30 with only one stop for a feed so for a top end strip it would be 6 -7 rides ...admittedly I wasn't going hard so you could easliy stretch those services out but beach & farm rides its pretty much tapped...

No Idea what KTM recommends service wise

[Crasherfromwayback]

No Idea what KTM recommends service wise

Dunno. But the only two we've ever traded certainly didn't last that long.

[Crisis management]

I'm a big KTM enduro bike fan, a mate has had a 300exc (2 stroke) that ran over 400 hours on the first piston, another has the same 450 as me and is over 400 hours now, only normal servicing. None of us are racing the bikes, we are putting around pretending we once knew how to ride. :woohoo:
I have heard the 250s are more fragile but my experience leads me to expect a reasonable life from the engines. As usual YMMV......

Most of these bikes are well documented on the net so it's not hard to discover the strengths and weakness' of any bike your interested in buying.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm a big KTM enduro bike fan, a mate has had a 300exc (2 stroke) that ran over 400 hours on the first piston, another has the same 450 as me and is over 400 hours now, only normal servicing..

Fucking Jesus! Can fully understand the smoker doing that...but the 450's...that is pretty bloody fantastic I must say. And I'm not here to sell KTM's!

[Katman]

Is it my imagination or has no-one mentioned KDX yet?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is it my imagination or has no-one mentioned KDX yet?

A KDX2 hundy would be/is awesome. But seems the op has his heart set on a diesel.

[Tony.OK]

Yammie WR250f is a good contender. I used to race cbr1000's and it means jack shit when going to dirt. So different in skill sets its not funny.
I do lots of single track and occasionally farm trail rides, before I put the 269cc kit in it was still a fun bike when new to dirt. Leckie start to me is now a must have, had an xr400 prior and what a pig in compare, when you're stuffed the last thing ya want is to be kicking!
The WR may get left behind the 450's on flat paddocks, still does 100kph with my lowered gearing, but come the tight techie stuff she's an absolute hoot.
Oil change every 10hrs, air filter most rides, just a part of newer bikes.
Mine had done about 4500kms when I put the big bore in, stock piston and cylinder still look new, valves have never moved, starts within half a turn mostly.

[Reckless]

Crisis mentioned the bike he should have with the right power valve spring set up would be the closest to a diesel??
He's a bit big for a 2hundy like mine so the 300exc would be the choice IMHO??
Been around ages so any budget, will do 200 hours easy, tractor well, 102 kilo's, great for trail riding, you don't have to pour oil in to it B4 every damn ride, you can tune it to be a monster or a baby.

Understand it is (or was) the world most popular selling dirt bike???

Be my choice ( but I love my smokers)????

BTW Crasher seen this 2 stroke heaven
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/131224-Pics-that-make-you-jizz?p=1130686005#post1130686005

[Reckless]

Yammie WR250f is a good contender. I used to race cbr1000's and it means jack shit when going to dirt. .

Amen brother!! Took me two years to unlearn my road bike tendancies!! :rolleyes:

[BoristheBiter]

How mechanically minded are you? the race style 4 stroke bikes do have short service periods and if you intend to do a lot of riding be prepared for top end rebuilds etc



It all depends on how they are ridden.
Most none raced bikes are 150-200 before needing the top end done, even my princess ktm was over 100hrs and it wasn't even worn much.
Regular maintence is what it is all about, Air filter after every ride, oil every 6hrs and oil filter every 15hr and it will lasr ages.

If you do 100hrs a year you're doing some serious riding.

To Brett,
As Jay says the 250 is the best bike to start on, even some of the older XR's are just more forgiving in the dirt while you are relearning how to ride a bike. (it's all backwards)
Mind you any of the Honda's are great but if you go for the 450 change the clutch to hydraulic and get a rekluse clutch.

[BoristheBiter]

Fucking Jesus! Can fully understand the smoker doing that...but the 450's...that is pretty bloody fantastic I must say. And I'm not here to sell KTM's!

good regular maintenance is what it is about.
As I said above KTM says 105 hrs, they said mine would have lasted at least another 50 hrs but it was apart so i did it anyway.
Mates crf450 is at 137hrs.

Like i said if you race it than yes but just trail riding just doesn't stress it.

[Reckless]

good regular maintenance is what it is about.
As I said above KTM says 105 hrs, they said mine would have lasted at least another 50 hrs but it was apart so i did it anyway.
Mates crf450 is at 137hrs.

Like i said if you race it than yes but just trail riding just doesn't stress it.

Danger has posted here he got 400 hours out of his 200exc??
I couldn't leave it that long but I believe him :)

[Jay GTI]

Dunno. But the only two we've ever traded certainly didn't last that long.


Fucking Jesus! Can fully understand the smoker doing that...but the 450's...that is pretty bloody fantastic I must say. And I'm not here to sell KTM's!

Anything orange from the mid 2000's or earlier gave KTM their (justified) questionable reliability reputation, but the blokes who made the decisions at head office realised that it was going to kill the company if they didn't sort it, so they did. Don't know anyone who's done 400hrs on a 4T KTM, but plenty around the 200hr mark with little in the way of issues. One ('08 250SXF) was owned by a mate who was a decent club-level MXer in Hungary, he was fast as feck and regularly gave his bike a good workout, but he went back home and sold it to my current ride buddy, who pulled it apart for the first time at 180hrs. Needed rings, that was it, even the valve tolerances were in spec and they'd never been adjusted or even checked. In that particular case, the bike was regularly and religiously filter and oil changed, but in most cases the low stress of trail riding also goes along way towards longevity. If you're chasing Cody Cooper around Harrisville, sure the maintenance shedule is a bit full on, but otherwise not much to worry about.


Yammie WR250f is a good contender.

Would be my pick of the learner enduro/trail bikes. Front is a bit soft for heavier blokes, but it's a bike you can ride the wheels off even with only average skills and you'll still be grinning 3 days later.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anything orange from the mid 2000's or earlier gave KTM their (justified) questionable reliability reputation, but the blokes who made the decisions at head office realised that it was going to kill the company if they didn't sort it, so they did. Don't know anyone who's done 400hrs on a 4T KTM, but plenty around the 200hr mark with little in the way of issues. One ('08 250SXF) was owned by a mate who was a decent club-level MXer in Hungary, he was fast as feck and regularly gave his bike a good workout, but he went back home and sold it to my current ride buddy, who pulled it apart for the first time at 180hrs. Needed rings, that was it, even the valve tolerances were in spec and they'd never been adjusted or even checked. In that particular case, the bike was regularly and religiously filter and oil changed, but in most cases the low stress of trail riding also goes along way towards longevity. If you're chasing Cody Cooper around Harrisville, sure the maintenance shedule is a bit full on, but otherwise not much to worry about.
.

Cheers mate. Good to read...and will help if I'm trying to trade another sometime. Funnily enough...think it was a 2005 525EXC? that really let go on us from memory.

[Brett]

A 250 endure bike you might outgrow it quickly, they are fun to ride, but do lack a bit of horsepower, on the faster flowing sections, you just have the thing wide open trying to make it go faster.
Given the fact that your coming off a fast road bike, I think you may be let down by a 250 4 stroke endure bike.

Personally would suggest a 450 enduro bike, still easy to ride, but have that extra torque/power when you need it, or depending on budget could look at a 350 4 stroke, never ridden one myself, but lots of people seem to find it the perfect in between bike.

Although, I'd also say before you rule out the 2 strokes, have a look at some of the options, they are pretty good, lighter, more powerful, cheaper to maintain, drowning them isn't as much of an issue......lots to choose from as well, from 150 through to 300cc which are pretty much tractors and will walk up any hill.

End of the day, best way if possible is to try get a few rides on different bikes, its the only way to really find what works for you.

Thanks for this good advice. Will look at the 2 stroke options a bit more. All advice I have had is to go Motocross rather than enduro...due to the power issue.

[Brett]

Why not consider a DRZ400 mate?

Because I want to get all down and squirrelly in the tight stuff.

[Brett]

I know mate...I've owned/raced one. But whilst they're not lightweight by any means...Brett ain't looking for a race bike, and at 6'3", he's more than big enough to pick the thing up etc. I would've thought as a first *trail bike*...they're fucking ideal for someone his size. Bullet proof too.

Bullet proof side appeals. The main thing that puts me off is that the advice I have had from mates who ride dirt, is that at the end of a days riding, when you're tired etc. they become a bit of a bitch to ride...have to wrestle them around a bit. I have ridden a KTM 250 motocross bike, and while I found the power ample for the tracks etc. it was by no means scary or unmanageable. Maybe the 400cc/450cc thing is still worth a lookie?

[Brett]

Get a 450 man. Sheesh just roll it on like the CBR and your good.

Maybe just whack some knobblies on the blade and go for gold then?:lol: Can you imagine the rooster tail that thing will spit out in mud in first or second gear...rear wheel speed = 140/150kph. Would be fun though....poor bike.

[Brett]

Is it my imagination or has no-one mentioned KDX yet?

Will have a look. seems I have underestimated a 2smoker...

[Brett]

Amen brother!! Took me two years to unlearn my road bike tendancies!! :rolleyes:

Such as what exactly?

Edit: sorry all. Should have multi quoted. My bad.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Because I want to get all down and squirrelly in the tight stuff.


Bullet proof side appeals. The main thing that puts me off is that the advice I have had from mates who ride dirt, is that at the end of a days riding, when you're tired etc. they become a bit of a bitch to ride...have to wrestle them around a bit. I have ridden a KTM 250 motocross bike, and while I found the power ample for the tracks etc. it was by no means scary or unmanageable. Maybe the 400cc/450cc thing is still worth a lookie?

Then that's all understandable mate. Tight and squirrelly on a DRZ400 is very hard work. Ask me how I know this. Not. I was thinking open and fast trail roads...as in firebreaks...like I grew up on. Oh the days...

[Brett]

Then that's all understandable mate. Tight and squirrelly on a DRZ400 is very hard work. Ask me how I know this. Not. I was thinking open and fast trail roads...as in firebreaks...like I grew up on. Oh the days...

Oh....will also be keen to do some beach and dune riding, so bigger engine probably woudl be good there. Also like being airborn a bit...and wheelies. Basically, I think I am looking to be a bit of a hooligan again....:devil2:

Either way, won't be getting one until I either sell the CBR, trade it for something or build a new garage. As it stands, I couldn't even fit a pushbike into the garage these days, let alone another bike...although I would love to keep the Blade too. Fantastic bike it is.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh....will also be keen to do some beach and dune riding, so bigger engine probably woudl be good there. Also like being airborn a bit...and wheelies. Basically, I think I am looking to be a bit of a hooligan again....:devil2:

.

Stupid question I know...and flame on you other peanuts...but if that's what you want to do...why don't you consider an old school open class 2T? They last a few years on a piston...there's no multi links to have to lube...they sound horn...and are fun as fuck to ride.

[Reckless]

Stupid question I know...and flame on you other peanuts...but if that's what you want to do...why don't you consider an old school open class 2T? They last a few years on a piston...there's no multi links to have to lube...they sound horn...and are fun as fuck to ride.

And a constant handful I had an 01 CR250 quite frankly even with the fly wheel weight and jetted a bit rich it was just to snappy. I reckon an enduro type bike would be best even on the dunes. Used to go out the bombing range up here quite a bit (its all dunes) and found the tourge of the non MX based bike a bit better??

[Crasherfromwayback]

And a constant handful I had an 01 CR250 quite frankly even with the fly wheel weight and jetted a bit rich it was just to snappy. I reckon an enduro type bike would be best even on the dunes. Used to go out the bombing range up here quite a bit (its all dunes) and found the tourge of the non MX based bike a bit better??

Yeah I hear ya. But250's areoften like 125's on roids. I was meaning waaaaay older than that. As in...like my RM400's...PE400's etc. Actually very mellow old things.

[leathel]

if you do go 450 the enduro model will have ample power and not that heavy.... MX are great for MX and riders that mostly ride MX are really anti enduro bikes due to weight and slight difference in power, On trial rides the smoother power of the enduro bikes and little extra weight will have you keeping traction in wet spot where the MX bikes get left behind (rider skills also matter a lot)
The DRZ 400 is not hard to ride in tight stuff but it is different, Very different.... You need to show it where to go, where as my old XR250 almost new the way.... the 450 can be a handfull if you ride it hard but it also can be forgiving as you dont need to be in the right gear as it has the balls to drag it up the hill in a gear to high.... but the 250 can be very fast if ridden right and is a chunk lighter... a good stepping stone if you doubt yourself

I have never been a 2 smoker fan but they sure can be fun to ride, light and powerful.... just some of the terrain I ride engine braking is very handy.... and power can be trickled on in dicey spots easier with the 4.... some of the 2 smokers with weighty flywheels are mellow but you loose some of the fun

Its all a big juggle getting a bike to do all but the good thing is once the bike is a few years old if looked after you dont loose a lot of coin so buy one ride it... then change it if you dont like it :D

[Brett]

It's really good to know that there is still an area of this forum where you can actually get some really good feedback/input...

[BoristheBiter]

It's really good to know that there is still an area of this forum where you can actually get some really good feedback/input...

Yep riding dirt brings out the best in people as we have all been stuck in a bog and need a hand to get out.
:grouphug:

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's really good to know that there is still an area of this forum where you can actually get some really good feedback/input...


Yep riding dirt brings out the best in people as we have all been stuck in a bog and need a hand to get out.
:grouphug:

Reckon! Brett...where do you live mate? Come and have a ride sometime on the RM400 I'm about to (fucking finally) finish. May even give you the fever to come and join in on some VMX racing! It's just like road racing in the dirt generally. A lot of fun...and low key. + cheap.

[nzspokes]

Been said before but KDX200. I loves mine and cheap to.

And they can go alright in the right hands.

http://www.youtube.com/v/6DPNanQIlic

[Stylo]

[QUOTE=nzspokes;1130686574]Been said before but KDX200. I loves mine and cheap to.

And they can go alright in the right hands.

Great Vid, and good film work , it highlights how good those KDX200's are , under-rated bikes in my view.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's really good to know that there is still an area of this forum where you can actually get some really good feedback/input...

And talking of sand etc...I must admit, as much of a 2 smoker fan as I am...in sand? Nothing beats a 450 diesel. raglanash first posted this...sums it (them) up well. Sand....mmmmm...sand....

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[nzspokes]

Yep riding dirt brings out the best in people as we have all been stuck in a bog and need a hand to get out.
:grouphug:

I agree. Ive always had good advise in this forum. And no "Im faster than you" shit. Although everybody is faster than me, Im better at spectacular crashing.

[SPman]

Cr500...............

[Jay GTI]

Bullet proof side appeals. The main thing that puts me off is that the advice I have had from mates who ride dirt, is that at the end of a days riding, when you're tired etc. they become a bit of a bitch to ride...have to wrestle them around a bit. I have ridden a KTM 250 motocross bike, and while I found the power ample for the tracks etc. it was by no means scary or unmanageable. Maybe the 400cc/450cc thing is still worth a lookie?

Your mates are giving you good advice, if a 250MX bike isn't scary, you're in the right area already. Enduro vs MX is a personal preference, I've spent plenty of time on both and I just prefer to trail ride MX bikes, not because I'm faster on one, just I find I can struggle with the suspension on enduro bikes because of my weight and MX bikes are usually work out to be just right for me for trail riding (i.e. I'd be too heavy to race MX with the suspension as is if I was fast enough, but it's fine for blatting around Woodhill at my pretending to be fast pace).

I'm probably already running out of influence on this, because I've been dishing this out to plenty of people and so far always ignored, but if it's possible, don't let your testosterone decide your bike. I did when I got back into riding in 2006 and it was a massive mistake, I went from riding old clunkers in my teens to an angry 250 2T MX bike 15-odd years later. I learned to short-shift, ride with my throttle hand already in the wide open position and a few other tricks to stop it trying to kill me, but if I'd bought a 250 4T like my mate, I would have had way more fun (might have been able to keep up with him too). You will be faster on a smaller bike, you'll be able to ride harder for longer and have a bigger grin on your face when it's time to load up the trailer or ute and go home. The only area this falls down is beach riding, but a bigger bike will be a compromise that will bite when you're in the forest.

Riding dirt is hugely physical, something roadies just don't appreciate until they try it, but for a long time you will be limited by your fitness. So just think about if you really need all that power, especially on the last loop of the day when you're tired and you've got a big 450 or 2T 250 with a twitchy throttle to pedal around.


I agree. Ive always had good advise in this forum. And no "Im faster than you" shit. Although everybody is faster than me, Im better at spectacular crashing.

I've always found it very interesting how there isn't the same "my dick is bigger than yours" crap in the dirt community. Perhaps it's because dirt riding is a great leveler, you can't pretend to be fast, or buy your way into fast lap times (if you're slow, no bike on any showroom floor will make you fast). There's a few fast guys in this forum section, but most of us are riding for fun and are well aware of our limitations, I know I'll never be a fast rider and so won't ever pretend to be. But I do fecking love my hobby, it's a mad passion and if I can help someone else get into it, perhaps pass on the one or two things I've learned, I'm more than happy to help.

Reckon I could give you a run for your money on spectacular crashes though :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

. But I do fecking love my hobby, it's a mad passion and if I can help someone else get into it, perhaps pass on the one or two things I've learned, I'm more than happy to help.

:)

Fuck yeah! I've never not had a dirt bike. They're (and 99% of the peeps that own/ride them) awesome fun.

[george formby]

Noicely put JayGTI, my return to the dirt was a KDX250 with a race pipe on it. I spent more time riding the bike rather than riding IYKWIM. Trying to get the bloody thing to go where I wanted without the ass swinging out or the front pawing up or or or. This was in tight stuff, wet clay, in the woods. Paddocks & tracks it was a hoot but way to quick. Too much purple face & pounding heart for me.
I've always had more fun on bikes I can eventually find the limits of as fitness & ability improve.
That KDX 200 vid is point in case, a lot of riders on much hairier bikes would be miles behind him.
I'm in the 250 4t or enduro 2t camp, bikes are more compliant but very very capable & a big lad can get away with murder on them, the bigger your feet the better.

[BoristheBiter]

But I do fecking love my hobby, it's a mad passion.


Fuck yeah! I've never not had a dirt bike. They're (and 99% of the peeps that own/ride them) awesome fun.

fuck yeah. for total enjoyment factor there are few better.

[Crasherfromwayback]

fuck yeah. for total enjoyment factor there are few better.

Chicks come close.

[Brett]

Reckon! Brett...where do you live mate? Come and have a ride sometime on the RM400 I'm about to (fucking finally) finish. May even give you the fever to come and join in on some VMX racing! It's just like road racing in the dirt generally. A lot of fun...and low key. + cheap.

Would love to take you up on the offer crasher... alas I am in Dorkland. Like the racing idea though.

[Brett]

Your mates are giving you good advice, if a 250MX bike isn't scary, you're in the right area already. Enduro vs MX is a personal preference, I've spent plenty of time on both and I just prefer to trail ride MX bikes, not because I'm faster on one, just I find I can struggle with the suspension on enduro bikes because of my weight and MX bikes are usually work out to be just right for me for trail riding (i.e. I'd be too heavy to race MX with the suspension as is if I was fast enough, but it's fine for blatting around Woodhill at my pretending to be fast pace).

I'm probably already running out of influence on this, because I've been dishing this out to plenty of people and so far always ignored, but if it's possible, don't let your testosterone decide your bike. I did when I got back into riding in 2006 and it was a massive mistake, I went from riding old clunkers in my teens to an angry 250 2T MX bike 15-odd years later. I learned to short-shift, ride with my throttle hand already in the wide open position and a few other tricks to stop it trying to kill me, but if I'd bought a 250 4T like my mate, I would have had way more fun (might have been able to keep up with him too). You will be faster on a smaller bike, you'll be able to ride harder for longer and have a bigger grin on your face when it's time to load up the trailer or ute and go home. The only area this falls down is beach riding, but a bigger bike will be a compromise that will bite when you're in the forest.

Riding dirt is hugely physical, something roadies just don't appreciate until they try it, but for a long time you will be limited by your fitness. So just think about if you really need all that power, especially on the last loop of the day when you're tired and you've got a big 450 or 2T 250 with a twitchy throttle to pedal around.



I've always found it very interesting how there isn't the same "my dick is bigger than yours" crap in the dirt community. Perhaps it's because dirt riding is a great leveler, you can't pretend to be fast, or buy your way into fast lap times (if you're slow, no bike on any showroom floor will make you fast). There's a few fast guys in this forum section, but most of us are riding for fun and are well aware of our limitations, I know I'll never be a fast rider and so won't ever pretend to be. But I do fecking love my hobby, it's a mad passion and if I can help someone else get into it, perhaps pass on the one or two things I've learned, I'm more than happy to help.

Reckon I could give you a run for your money on spectacular crashes though :)

I really appreciate your input bud. I am definitely falling the way of a 250 4T motox. A big grunter would be nice, but I think given the tracks etc. that I would like to ride, 250 makes more sense. Again, appreciate your thoughts in your post.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Would love to take you up on the offer crasher... alas I am in Dorkland. Like the racing idea though.

Well give me a heads up if you're ever down this way...and I'll do likewise if I'm ever bringing the old girl up your way. I mean...really...check this shit out. How could that not be fun as fuck???!!!

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[Lotus54]

What sort of trails?
Fast, tight, really tight?

You have never ridden dirt?

Here is what I recommend.
Buy an old Honda XR200/250 they is best up looking but runs well.
Not a bunch of power, but on trails you don't really needs loads of power- just learn not to slow down.
That bike will be cheap, relatively light, easy to start and you can pin it without scaring yourself.
You will almost certainly drop it a bunch as you learn how to slide it around, how to lock the brakes (gotta learn the edge) and make mistakes.

Best part, when you decide you love dirt riding you sell it for what you paid- and have a much better idea what you really want.
If you decide it is not for you (I've seen a number of street riders blow a ton on a fancy dirt bike- then decide they don't like it)- then you ca sell it and get your money back.

They are cheap enough you can keep your street bike.


That's what I would recommend anyway.


(Light is good for tight trails- I've gotten down to 163lbs!)

Mark

[nzspokes]

Noicely put JayGTI, my return to the dirt was a KDX250 with a race pipe on it. I spent more time riding the bike rather than riding IYKWIM. Trying to get the bloody thing to go where I wanted without the ass swinging out or the front pawing up or or or. This was in tight stuff, wet clay, in the woods. Paddocks & tracks it was a hoot but way to quick. Too much purple face & pounding heart for me.
I've always had more fun on bikes I can eventually find the limits of as fitness & ability improve.
That KDX 200 vid is point in case, a lot of riders on much hairier bikes would be miles behind him.
I'm in the 250 4t or enduro 2t camp, bikes are more compliant but very very capable & a big lad can get away with murder on them, the bigger your feet the better.

My KDX200 with its PC pipe on is a bit like that but the torque is amazing for a 2t. On todays trail ride I only stopped on one climb as the guy in front of me fell off. Still amazes me why people try to push there bike up a hill they cant ride up, thats gunna end well. So I just spun it back down the hill and tractored up past the dude in first with next to no revs as he was in the middle of the trail. Im immense which makes it more stunning.

Looking forward to its new forks though.

[leathel]

Something else to consider... Do you want to do big jumps?

Most of the play bikes XR, DRZ, older school bikes can be great fun on trail rides ...... But landing from big jumps can be fun...... You know when you get good air that it isn't going to be smooth landing... manageable but not smooth.

I can get plenty of Air on the DRZ but it pretty much bottoms the suspension and you feel it do so! Same with the XR and mates old VMX bikes but the first time I rode the RMX450 I gave the throttle a blip to get some air and it flew...... Wasn't looking forward to the landing, Tensed up & eventually it did land and smooth it was, I relaxed in relief of how well it landed and inadvertently let my throttle arm drop and it twisted the throttle and we were off again this time landing on some cattle rutted down hill.... puckered up thinking Shiiiiiiiittttttt but once again a smooth landing, I could not believe how smooth the landings were. Thought I got away with out anyone seeing until I was told I was a mad cunt by the farm owner.... He had seen and I had to fess up the second jump was not intentional!!

So if you think you want to get some air get a modern bike with good suspension and come down the Tuakau and get Gizzy to set it up for your weight and style of riding :)

[Brett]

Well...random offer on the CBR1000rr today that was too good to refuse...it's gone (sad as I am to say goodbye to a FANTASTIC sportsbike) meaning I can actually start looking for something to get dirty with.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well...random offer on the CBR1000rr today that was too good to refuse...it's gone (sad as I am to say goodbye to a FANTASTIC sportsbike) meaning I can actually start looking for something to get dirty with.

Hope you end up with a great new toy...and we'll expect lots of pics when you do get something!

[Brett]

Hope you end up with a great new toy...and we'll expect lots of pics when you do get something!

Missing the blade already. Not that I had been getting to ride it of late.... Thinking that i will probably look for a Honda CRF250R, later model, fuel injected. What would other alternatives of this ilk be?

[thorns]

What sort of price range are you looking at Brett?

If you are looking at slightly older 250fs, the YZ250f are a good buy, great reputation on quality and reliability, amazing suspension as well. Not fuel injected until the 2014 models, but a well set up carb is pretty much as good as EFI. Heaps of aftermarket goodies available as well.

[leathel]

Missing the blade already. Not that I had been getting to ride it of late.... Thinking that i will probably look for a Honda CRF250R, later model, fuel injected. What would other alternatives of this ilk be?

There is a Honda ride out at limestone downs this weekend that they will have Demo bikes at..... long way for a ride but if you have the riding gear it may be worth a play, The next Mr Motorcycles ride is on the 30th and they usually have a demo bike available as well :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Missing the blade already. Not that I had been getting to ride it of late.... Thinking that i will probably look for a Honda CRF250R, later model, fuel injected. What would other alternatives of this ilk be?

I've got a late model RMZ250 at work with low hours, and adj fulling map on the fly. PLus bash plate, hand guards etc. Was one of the bosses sons...it's a well set up bike.

[Jay GTI]

Missing the blade already. Not that I had been getting to ride it of late.... Thinking that i will probably look for a Honda CRF250R, later model, fuel injected. What would other alternatives of this ilk be?

Any of the 250 MXrs are good, if you're looking at the later bikes. The main thing is, over the last few years especially, all the bikes are now so good, there's not a lemon amongst them. The KXF may have won shootouts regularly, but really, you could pick any bike and it would be great, even the big mags are regularly stating all of them are seriously good and it's only small differences that make one bike rank higher than the other. I'd just pick a bike based on condition and price, not brand (although the Honda will be typically Honda well built).

Might want to see if you can find a later KTM 250SX, they had electric start as an option from 2011, now it's standard. Not that there's any effort in starting the rest on kickstart, but I love being able to just thumb the magic button when I'm half-way up a snotty hill climb that I've completely cocked up, again.

[Brett]

What sort of price range are you looking at Brett?

If you are looking at slightly older 250fs, the YZ250f are a good buy, great reputation on quality and reliability, amazing suspension as well. Not fuel injected until the 2014 models, but a well set up carb is pretty much as good as EFI. Heaps of aftermarket goodies available as well.

For first dirt bike, hoping to spend $4k to $5k. Could spend more/double, but decided I will cap it until I know whether I like this dirt business or not.

[Jay GTI]

For first dirt bike, hoping to spend $4k to $5k. Could spend more/double, but decided I will cap it until I know whether I like this dirt business or not.

You'll get a decent bike for that money, but just be aware that you're in the 'tarted up dog' price range, so condition and signs of a well looked after bike are paramount. Spend a weekend with the wallet at home just looking at as many bikes as you can and you'll soon start spotting the signs of abuse and figuring out what to walk away from.

[Mike77]

Hia Mate,

Don't normally chime in here, but I've done exactly what your doing, and here's what I reckon.

Last roady was TL1000s and had never been on the dirt at all. 95kg.
Only ride the organised trail rides - no racing. And have fun with the kids.

Brought a KXF250 '05 4 stroke MX bike.
And now have a RMX250 2 smoker Enduro.

KXF MX .....
Stopped, go'ed, flew and landed awesome - so much fun to be honest.
Power was plently for me, only chasing a mate on a kx250 / f450 on the beach or a drag it had less go - every other time when you needed it, it seemed perfect, and the suspension was wicked.
Economy (Also Range) despite the mx fuel tank they go a fair distance on a tank - enough for the bigger rides like Boundary Buster etc.
Cons....
No kickstand (I wouldn't have a bike without one now) gates, helping kids, other riders/mates etc.
First gear is a bit higher than enduro's and the really steep stuff was more "interesting" especially for a learner aka no skills. My mates have no issues riding them, I'm just a shit rider to be honest!
If all the planets are aligned - it should start first kick every time - for me, not so much. It became a bit of an art at times. Usually after falling off, and your tired.
Maintenance - filters and oils and repeat again and again and again. Not to mention I had a big bill coming with a top end due soon, so sold it. I was scared everytime I rang it's neck that some would let go and grenade itself.

RMX enduro.....
Kickstand, lower first gear - check
Easy to start. - 2 stroke thing.
Riding position seems to be more comfortable for me, and I feel more balanced on the bike = I fall off less.
RMX 2 stoke is a tractor compared to the other 2 strokes (kx and yz 250's) I've ridden. heaps easier to control, not at all as snappy.
Maintenance is easier - but you do have to manage your fuel, as the 2s mix prefers to be fresh.
Cons .....
For my bike there is a small section of the rev range where I have more power than the kxf. But overall I would be faster on the kxf - if that matters to you. But when ya get things right on the 2s, it makes ya smile a bit more I reckon.
It has a huge fuel tank, but it likes to drink it too! I reckon my range hasn't changed, if not gone down a tich.

For me, the RMX is the go, and if I had some more dollars, it'ld be a newer 2 stroke enduro bike.
Sensible me says get a WR250, but my smokey bitch puts a smile on my face.

So I reckon buy anything, and you'll figure out what you want most out of a bike and go from there. Either way you won't go wrong with what ever ya buy because your going to have fun on it anyway!

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[Brett]

Hia Mate,

Don't normally chime in here, but I've done exactly what your doing, and here's what I reckon.

Last roady was TL1000s and had never been on the dirt at all. 95kg.
Only ride the organised trail rides - no racing. And have fun with the kids.

Brought a KXF250 '05 4 stroke MX bike.
And now have a RMX250 2 smoker Enduro.

KXF MX .....
Stopped, go'ed, flew and landed awesome - so much fun to be honest.
Power was plently for me, only chasing a mate on a kx250 / f450 on the beach or a drag it had less go - every other time when you needed it, it seemed perfect, and the suspension was wicked.
Economy (Also Range) despite the mx fuel tank they go a fair distance on a tank - enough for the bigger rides like Boundary Buster etc.
Cons....
No kickstand (I wouldn't have a bike without one now) gates, helping kids, other riders/mates etc.
First gear is a bit higher than enduro's and the really steep stuff was more "interesting" especially for a learner aka no skills. My mates have no issues riding them, I'm just a shit rider to be honest!
If all the planets are aligned - it should start first kick every time - for me, not so much. It became a bit of an art at times. Usually after falling off, and your tired.
Maintenance - filters and oils and repeat again and again and again. Not to mention I had a big bill coming with a top end due soon, so sold it. I was scared everytime I rang it's neck that some would let go and grenade itself.

RMX enduro.....
Kickstand, lower first gear - check
Easy to start. - 2 stroke thing.
Riding position seems to be more comfortable for me, and I feel more balanced on the bike = I fall off less.
RMX 2 stoke is a tractor compared to the other 2 strokes (kx and yz 250's) I've ridden. heaps easier to control, not at all as snappy.
Maintenance is easier - but you do have to manage your fuel, as the 2s mix prefers to be fresh.
Cons .....
For my bike there is a small section of the rev range where I have more power than the kxf. But overall I would be faster on the kxf - if that matters to you. But when ya get things right on the 2s, it makes ya smile a bit more I reckon.
It has a huge fuel tank, but it likes to drink it too! I reckon my range hasn't changed, if not gone down a tich.

For me, the RMX is the go, and if I had some more dollars, it'ld be a newer 2 stroke enduro bike.
Sensible me says get a WR250, but my smokey bitch puts a smile on my face.

So I reckon buy anything, and you'll figure out what you want most out of a bike and go from there. Either way you won't go wrong with what ever ya buy because your going to have fun on it anyway!



Really appreciate your thoughts above mate. Much appreciated.

[10bikekid]

RMX enduro.....
Kickstand, lower first gear - check
Easy to start. - 2 stroke thing.
Riding position seems to be more comfortable for me, and I feel more balanced on the bike = I fall off less.
RMX 2 stoke is a tractor compared to the other 2 strokes (kx and yz 250's) I've ridden. heaps easier to control, not at all as snappy.
Maintenance is easier - but you do have to manage your fuel, as the 2s mix prefers to be fresh.
Cons .....
For my bike there is a small section of the rev range where I have more power than the kxf. But overall I would be faster on the kxf - if that matters to you. But when ya get things right on the 2s, it makes ya smile a bit more I reckon.
It has a huge fuel tank, but it likes to drink it too! I reckon my range hasn't changed, if not gone down a tich.

For me, the RMX is the go, and if I had some more dollars, it'ld be a newer 2 stroke enduro bike.
Sensible me says get a WR250, but my smokey bitch puts a smile on my face.

So I reckon buy anything, and you'll figure out what you want most out of a bike and go from there. Either way you won't go wrong with what ever ya buy because your going to have fun on it anyway!

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Ha, I have an RMX to, its road legal and geared to the moon 165-170kph, it contanrous around town, flys once on the open road and is a weapon and also legal on the Beach :woohoo:

Its the second one I've own my first one an 89 offroad only and I'm now reminded how good these things are :yes:

[Brett]

Ok, so looking like I am going to go for a Honda CRF450r or Yamaha YZF450. Talking to a few mates who ride larger dirt bikes, they think that given my size (6ft3/100kg) and the fact that I am used having to manage power on a bike rather than just riding balls out and taking it easy to start with, that a 450 is probably the way to go. Looking at two 2012 CRF450r's on trademe.

First one is this one:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-710513707.htm

Second one is this one:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=706760784

Anyone know anything about either of these bikes and also, what do you guys/girls think is a reasonable price for them (the second one I have had as a fixed price offer of mid fives that I am thinking of accepting.

Cheers

[leathel]

going that way may work out well if you pick up dirt riding pretty fast..... saves selling smaller bike and upgrading

But the 450 Injected has power on tap at any revs so can send you at on your way quicker any accidental twist of the throttle, but power on tap can be vary handy to lift the wheel when required

The CRF is a very rideable bike and even though little has changed they still go well

I am also 100k+ and pretty much 6 ft and can still have fun on smaller bikes (XR250 a few rides ago)

Have you had a play on your mates bikes on dirt yet? If you felt comfortable on dirt go the 450...... if not smaller would still get you around

[Brett]

going that way may work out well if you pick up dirt riding pretty fast..... saves selling smaller bike and upgrading

But the 450 Injected has power on tap at any revs so can send you at on your way quicker any accidental twist of the throttle, but power on tap can be vary handy to lift the wheel when required

The CRF is a very rideable bike and even though little has changed they still go well

I am also 100k+ and pretty much 6 ft and can still have fun on smaller bikes (XR250 a few rides ago)

Have you had a play on your mates bikes on dirt yet? If you felt comfortable on dirt go the 450...... if not smaller would still get you around

The other reason for 450 is I would be keen on getting some motard wheels and doing some track day stuff - there the extra power would make a lot of sense. Felt reasonably comfy on dirt, although experience is limited, so far it seems to feel somewhat intuitive to me.

[Jay GTI]

ha ha I knew you'd end up going for a 450...

[Crasherfromwayback]

ha ha I knew you'd end up going for a 450...

450's fucking rock!

[Brett]

ha ha I knew you'd end up going for a 450...

One of the clinchers for me was that I am keen to ride "cruisy". I'm too old now to have much to prove on dirt/sand/mud and I know that I will never be a real racing hell-raiser. I also don't want to have to be too worried about gear selection etc. when climbing hills/dune and that sort of carry on. I do however also enjoy doing mad wheelies...although i could wheelie my 250cc ZXR just fine back in the day, so I'm certain a 250cc dirt would be all the easier. Haven't bought a CRF450 yet, so could be swayed. But I am actively looking at the 450's now.

[thorns]

Nice choice on the 450's, they are awesome machines (although your looking at the wrong colours, green FTW)
If you find it too much, you can always put a throttle tamer on it for a start until you get more comfortable, I had one on a 250 2 stroke and it worked really well.

Like this.
http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-throttle-cam-system/

[Brett]

Nice choice on the 450's, they are awesome machines (although your looking at the wrong colours, green FTW)
If you find it too much, you can always put a throttle tamer on it for a start until you get more comfortable, I had one on a 250 2 stroke and it worked really well.

Like this.
http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-throttle-cam-system/

That's a great idea. Will bear that in mind. Cheers for suggestion. Will take any decent condition fuel injected 450...don't care about brand really. CRF450 is only at the top of the list as it is noted as having smoother, easier to manage power delivery and there are a few around in my price budget.

[Brett]

For those in the know...I suspect that one of the bikes that I am looking at is an ex-race bike. It had a full top and bottom rebuild just under 3 hrs ago, along with a few other things checked in the ad as per below"

"Honda crf450r 2012
had full rebuild 2.8 hours ago (top and bottom)
also new clutch
pro curcuit pipe and standard pipe
near new tyres
brand new graphics and seat cover
k&n air filter
old spare plastics
brand new linkage bearings
suspension revalved at preformance factory
upgraded ecu and comes with standard
well serviced and greased oftenly and services were every 5 hours
renthal fatbars and renthal clamps"

I can get this bike for $5.5k. seems reasonable. Assume that with the rebuild and maintenance as noted that there can't be too much else to worry about? If nothing else pops up in the next couple of days, I will prob buy this bike. Thoughts appreciated.

[Crasherfromwayback]

For those in the know...I suspect that one of the bikes that I am looking at is an ex-race bike. It had a full top and bottom rebuild just under 3 hrs ago, along with a few other things checked in the ad as per below"

"Honda crf450r 2012
had full rebuild 2.8 hours ago (top and bottom)
also new clutch
pro curcuit pipe and standard pipe
near new tyres
brand new graphics and seat cover
k&n air filter
old spare plastics
brand new linkage bearings
suspension revalved at preformance factory
upgraded ecu and comes with standard
well serviced and greased oftenly and services were every 5 hours
renthal fatbars and renthal clamps"

I can get this bike for $5.5k. seems reasonable. Assume that with the rebuild and maintenance as noted that there can't be too much else to worry about? If nothing else pops up in the next couple of days, I will prob buy this bike. Thoughts appreciated.

Sounds like a bargin mate!

[Jay GTI]

450's fucking rock!

Yes they do, but go back a few pages and see why I suggested a 250. Which was advice I knew would be ignored, it always is :)

As the OP is still deciding (although sounding very sure), I'll chuck in a couple of last comments.

First is, modern 250 4Ts have plenty of power, so it's not like you'll be fighting the gearbox just to keep the bike on the boil. A later KXF250 is the one to go for, expecially the 2nd injector models, has more than enough grunt to get you around easily. Just don't under-estimate a 250, you will be faster on one.

Second, you don't have to keep the first bike you buy forever. You can get a 250, get comfortable and build up your skills, then swap it for a 450 when you're starting to feel like you could do with a bit more power. I just think that potentially jumping in at the deep end with little to no offroad experience will create bad habits. I know you're not trying to be the next Paul Whibley or anything, but as riding offroad starts getting under your skin (warning, it's hugely addictive), you'll naturally want to improve. I'm far from a fast rider and I know I'll never be a fast rider, but I'm constantly looking at ways to improve, ride better and have more fun. I'll never buy a 450 either... :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes they do, but go back a few pages and see why I suggested a 250. Which was advice I knew would be ignored, it always is :)

As the OP is still deciding (although sounding very sure), I'll chuck in a couple of last comments.

First is, modern 250 4Ts have plenty of power, so it's not like you'll be fighting the gearbox just to keep the bike on the boil. A later KXF250 is the one to go for, expecially the 2nd injector models, has more than enough grunt to get you around easily. Just don't under-estimate a 250, you will be faster on one.

Second, you don't have to keep the first bike you buy forever. You can get a 250, get comfortable and build up your skills, then swap it for a 450 when you're starting to feel like you could do with a bit more power. I just think that potentially jumping in at the deep end with little to no offroad experience will create bad habits. I know you're not trying to be the next Paul Whibley or anything, but as riding offroad starts getting under your skin (warning, it's hugely addictive), you'll naturally want to improve. I'm far from a fast rider and I know I'll never be a fast rider, but I'm constantly looking at ways to improve, ride better and have more fun. I'll never buy a 450 either... :)

All very valid points and I don't dissagree with any of them. Me saying 450's rock is simply what I think of 'em. I love them and can't wait to get another.

[Jay GTI]

All very valid points and I don't dissagree with any of them. Me saying 450's rock is simply what I think of 'em. I love them and can't wait to get another.

Yeah I've been on a few and that monster horsepower in any gear at any revs feeling is awesome. Plus, regardless of how valid my points are, Brett will still buy a 450... :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah I've been on a few and that monster horsepower in any gear at any revs feeling is awesome. Plus, regardless of how valid my points are, Brett will still buy a 450... :D

Yep. I ride in sand a lot...so they're the only choice for me other than a 500cc two stroke.

[leathel]

Yeah I've been on a few and that monster horsepower in any gear at any revs feeling is awesome. Plus, regardless of how valid my points are, Brett will still buy a 450... :D

And only after he has a 450 will he know if it was a good move or not... he will either be able to handle it, have enough throttle control not end up off the track and not be absolutely stuffed from it man handling him or shit his pants as he leaves the track after gaining speed faster than it felt before that tight corner or be like jelly at the end of the day after being monstered by the bike :lol:

[BoristheBiter]

And only after he has a 450 will he know if it was a good move or not... he will either be able to handle it, have enough throttle control not end up off the track and not be absolutely stuffed from it man handling him or shit his pants as he leaves the track after gaining speed faster than it felt before that tight corner or be like jelly at the end of the day after being monstered by the bike :lol:

And that is it in a nut shell.

Personally, for someone one starting out it is too much of a bike but by the sounds of it Brett has his mind set on one, so Good luck brett :Punk:

[george formby]

And that is it in a nut shell.

Personally, for someone one starting out it is too much of a bike but by the sounds of it Brett has his mind set on one, so Good luck brett :Punk:

Concur. Designed to humble the unfit & over ambitious. Meh, we only live once. Getting scared shitless is biking in a nutshell. Onwards soldiers, the end is inevitable, make the journey spectacular!:Punk:

[Brett]

Yes they do, but go back a few pages and see why I suggested a 250. Which was advice I knew would be ignored, it always is :)

As the OP is still deciding (although sounding very sure), I'll chuck in a couple of last comments.

First is, modern 250 4Ts have plenty of power, so it's not like you'll be fighting the gearbox just to keep the bike on the boil. A later KXF250 is the one to go for, expecially the 2nd injector models, has more than enough grunt to get you around easily. Just don't under-estimate a 250, you will be faster on one.

Second, you don't have to keep the first bike you buy forever. You can get a 250, get comfortable and build up your skills, then swap it for a 450 when you're starting to feel like you could do with a bit more power. I just think that potentially jumping in at the deep end with little to no offroad experience will create bad habits. I know you're not trying to be the next Paul Whibley or anything, but as riding offroad starts getting under your skin (warning, it's hugely addictive), you'll naturally want to improve. I'm far from a fast rider and I know I'll never be a fast rider, but I'm constantly looking at ways to improve, ride better and have more fun. I'll never buy a 450 either... :)

Les convinced that you might think, or I than I might have portrayed perhaps. The other part that I didn't mention is that, as far as I have read, many of the larger bikes are ridden less hard and so the engines are less poked. I absolutely take all of your points on board and note their worth. Same as I did when I started road riding many years ago, moving up from 250cc to 600cc to 1000cc. I DO appreciate that gradual collection of skills and appreciation that it takes time to get the feel. If I come across a nice, tidy 250 MX at a good price, I will be swayed. Struggling to find something that feels like a good deal though. (Unlike with 450s)

[Brett]

And only after he has a 450 will he know if it was a good move or not... he will either be able to handle it, have enough throttle control not end up off the track and not be absolutely stuffed from it man handling him or shit his pants as he leaves the track after gaining speed faster than it felt before that tight corner or be like jelly at the end of the day after being monstered by the bike :lol:

This is the toss up. Either it will be a good move and I will be comfortable on a more powerful machine, or it will be a big mistake and I will have to downsize. THe fitness thing however is less of an issue. That, one can build up - and I am used to training my body for a variety of different fitness requirements. (Yes - I know dirt riding fit is a specific type of fitness - but then so is paddle fit in surfing, road fit on road bikes etc. etc.) As for being scared witless, perhaps. Struggle to see how it could be any less "intense" than getting a good handle bar twitch on a superbike at 280kph though. As with road bikes, it will only go as fast as I make it through twisting the throttle.

Have heard all sides of the argument now, certainly appreciate ALL of the points on both sides. I will continue to look at both, wouldn't bet either way whether I come home with a 250 or a 450. Unfortunately I just don't have the time to go view any bikes at the moment...so bloody busy with work...soon though, wanted one by this coming weekend...not going to happen at this rate!

[nzspokes]

Struggle to see how it could be any less "intense" than getting a good handle bar twitch on a superbike at 280kph though.



They are called trees. They dont duck or move out of the way. :confused:

Kinda hurt when you hit them at speed.

[george formby]

They are called trees. They dont duck or move out of the way. :confused:

Kinda hurt when you hit them at speed.


LOl. T'was my thoughts. Rocks, roots, trees ect. No give. OP seems to have a handle on things so I reckon eyeballs like pickled onions on a fork is the go. 2t or 4t. Until he gets a bike he can't figure out which kind of riding he likes. When that happens he can make a considered choice.
I like tight & technical so open class bikes are a PITA.

[Jay GTI]

As for being scared witless, perhaps. Struggle to see how it could be any less "intense" than getting a good handle bar twitch on a superbike at 280kph though. As with road bikes, it will only go as fast as I make it through twisting the throttle.



Ah this is exactly the kind of problem that lack of dirt time is giving you as a road rider. The "oh shit" moment is no doubt the same, but you're not thinking about how you got there in the first place. A road bike on a smooth track is relatively stable in it's movement, you may get twitching over bumps, a bit of traction loss on the front or rear, giving you a moment or two when you're really winding it out. You can, with relative control, dictate whether or not you're going to get into those situations, you make the choice when you twist your right hand.

Now on a dirt bike, you're not on some smooth, prepared track, with reasonably even amounts of traction and nice run-off areas if you do get it a bit wrong. Instead you're on a "track" that has ruts, roots, berms, bog holes, soft bits, hard bits, bumps, jumps and all manner of obstacles that are fighting against your progress and throwing that 110-120kg machine around so much that you're hanging on as much as riding it. Plus the training you've been doing isn't enough, you're knackered, you've got sore arms, sore shoulders, sore legs. The arm pump won't go away, your hands are going numb and despite saying "grip with your knees, grip with your knees" over and over again in your head, you're holding on to the bars with everything you've got. Of course, one of those hands is controlling the trigger-switch that is the throttle, which with one uncontrolled panic grab of, suddenly unleashes what feels like 10,000 horsepower as you go flying towards a tree, with your body hanging off the back of the bike and the only way to get it under control is to move forward over the bars. But, because you're knackered, you can only do it by grabbing at the bars with everything you've got, but you can't control it because of the arm pump, so then you just end up grabbing a handful more thottle and the bike goes even harder towards the tree and... you don't know how, but the bike changes course at the last minute and misses the tree, you find yourself in the scrub with a monster turd in your riding pants wondering how you didn't just die and thinking "fuck, I wish I'd bought a more sensible bike, this thing is trying to kill me".

I used to get that moment 3-4 times a ride when I got back into riding and bought "the wrong bike".

[BoristheBiter]

Ah this is exactly the kind of problem that lack of dirt time is giving you as a road rider. The "oh shit" moment is no doubt the same, but you're not thinking about how you got there in the first place. A road bike on a smooth track is relatively stable in it's movement, you may get twitching over bumps, a bit of traction loss on the front or rear, giving you a moment or two when you're really winding it out. You can, with relative control, dictate whether or not you're going to get into those situations, you make the choice when you twist your right hand.

Now on a dirt bike, you're not on some smooth, prepared track, with reasonably even amounts of traction and nice run-off areas if you do get it a bit wrong. Instead you're on a "track" that has ruts, roots, berms, bog holes, soft bits, hard bits, bumps, jumps and all manner of obstacles that are fighting against your progress and throwing that 110-120kg machine around so much that you're hanging on as much as riding it. Plus the training you've been doing isn't enough, you're knackered, you've got sore arms, sore shoulders, sore legs. The arm pump won't go away, your hands are going numb and despite saying "grip with your knees, grip with your knees" over and over again in your head, you're holding on to the bars with everything you've got. Of course, one of those hands is controlling the trigger-switch that is the throttle, which with one uncontrolled panic grab of, suddenly unleashes what feels like 10,000 horsepower as you go flying towards a tree, with your body hanging off the back of the bike and the only way to get it under control is to move forward over the bars. But, because you're knackered, you can only do it by grabbing at the bars with everything you've got, but you can't control it because of the arm pump, so then you just end up grabbing a handful more thottle and the bike goes even harder towards the tree and... you don't know how, but the bike changes course at the last minute and misses the tree, you find yourself in the scrub with a monster turd in your riding pants wondering how you didn't just die and thinking "fuck, I wish I'd bought a more sensible bike, this thing is trying to kill me".

I used to get that moment 3-4 times a ride when I got back into riding and bought "the wrong bike".

Fuck yeah, isn't dirt the ducks nuts:Punk: and i still do that on the 350.

[ktm84mxc]

Jays right on some points a MX bike is designed mainly for a MX/SX track and can be hard work in the forest but can be made to work. A Enduro/ cross country bike is suited to that environment but will be a struggle on a MX/SX track but can be made to work by firming up the suspension etc.
Brett decide were you plan on doing most of your riding and pick a style of bike best suited to the conditions likely to be found.

[Tony.OK]

Ah this is exactly the kind of problem that lack of dirt time is giving you as a road rider. The "oh shit" moment is no doubt the same, but you're not thinking about how you got there in the first place. A road bike on a smooth track is relatively stable in it's movement, you may get twitching over bumps, a bit of traction loss on the front or rear, giving you a moment or two when you're really winding it out. You can, with relative control, dictate whether or not you're going to get into those situations, you make the choice when you twist your right hand.

Now on a dirt bike, you're not on some smooth, prepared track, with reasonably even amounts of traction and nice run-off areas if you do get it a bit wrong. Instead you're on a "track" that has ruts, roots, berms, bog holes, soft bits, hard bits, bumps, jumps and all manner of obstacles that are fighting against your progress and throwing that 110-120kg machine around so much that you're hanging on as much as riding it. Plus the training you've been doing isn't enough, you're knackered, you've got sore arms, sore shoulders, sore legs. The arm pump won't go away, your hands are going numb and despite saying "grip with your knees, grip with your knees" over and over again in your head, you're holding on to the bars with everything you've got. Of course, one of those hands is controlling the trigger-switch that is the throttle, which with one uncontrolled panic grab of, suddenly unleashes what feels like 10,000 horsepower as you go flying towards a tree, with your body hanging off the back of the bike and the only way to get it under control is to move forward over the bars. But, because you're knackered, you can only do it by grabbing at the bars with everything you've got, but you can't control it because of the arm pump, so then you just end up grabbing a handful more thottle and the bike goes even harder towards the tree and... you don't know how, but the bike changes course at the last minute and misses the tree, you find yourself in the scrub with a monster turd in your riding pants wondering how you didn't just die and thinking "fuck, I wish I'd bought a more sensible bike, this thing is trying to kill me".

I used to get that moment 3-4 times a ride when I got back into riding and bought "the wrong bike".
And heaven forbid ya stall the bastard.........................."thank jebus for leckie starts" after hauling the fukka outta the biggest bog ya didn't expect there's no energy left to kick her ova! :lol:

[leathel]

Ah this is exactly the kind of problem that lack of dirt time is giving you as a road rider. The "oh shit" moment is no doubt the same, but you're not thinking about how you got there in the first place. A road bike on a smooth track is relatively stable in it's movement, you may get twitching over bumps, a bit of traction loss on the front or rear, giving you a moment or two when you're really winding it out. You can, with relative control, dictate whether or not you're going to get into those situations, you make the choice when you twist your right hand.

Now on a dirt bike, you're not on some smooth, prepared track, with reasonably even amounts of traction and nice run-off areas if you do get it a bit wrong. Instead you're on a "track" that has ruts, roots, berms, bog holes, soft bits, hard bits, bumps, jumps and all manner of obstacles that are fighting against your progress and throwing that 110-120kg machine around so much that you're hanging on as much as riding it. Plus the training you've been doing isn't enough, you're knackered, you've got sore arms, sore shoulders, sore legs. The arm pump won't go away, your hands are going numb and despite saying "grip with your knees, grip with your knees" over and over again in your head, you're holding on to the bars with everything you've got. Of course, one of those hands is controlling the trigger-switch that is the throttle, which with one uncontrolled panic grab of, suddenly unleashes what feels like 10,000 horsepower as you go flying towards a tree, with your body hanging off the back of the bike and the only way to get it under control is to move forward over the bars. But, because you're knackered, you can only do it by grabbing at the bars with everything you've got, but you can't control it because of the arm pump, so then you just end up grabbing a handful more thottle and the bike goes even harder towards the tree and... you don't know how, but the bike changes course at the last minute and misses the tree, you find yourself in the scrub with a monster turd in your riding pants wondering how you didn't just die and thinking "fuck, I wish I'd bought a more sensible bike, this thing is trying to kill me".

I used to get that moment 3-4 times a ride when I got back into riding and bought "the wrong bike".

Christ its a 450 dirt bike not a rabid lion.... yes I also think a new rider is better to start smaller than a 450 but they dont have a mind of their own..... throttle control in a different riding position will be different but they still are twist the wrist and go....

If he gets a 450 and starts with some of the easier going trail rides I cant see why he wont pick it up..... now whether its comes easily depends on how his brain is wired, looking ahead some "See the way" and just ride through and some just follow the ruts to the deepest pit or panic at something and focus on an obstacle and get stuck on it

If he just cruises and goes with the flow it wont be all that bad

I have known road riders pic up dirt riding quick on CR250's etc (before the new style high HP 4 strokes)..... I know some MX riders that go well on a track but just cant get there head around trail rides... especially wet hill climbs.


I guess we will find out if he gets a 450 :laugh:

[Jay GTI]

Christ its a 450 dirt bike not a rabid lion.... yes I also think a new rider is better to start smaller than a 450 but they dont have a mind of their own..... throttle control in a different riding position will be different but they still are twist the wrist and go....

If he gets a 450 and starts with some of the easier going trail rides I cant see why he wont pick it up..... now whether its comes easily depends on how his brain is wired, looking ahead some "See the way" and just ride through and some just follow the ruts to the deepest pit or panic at something and focus on an obstacle and get stuck on it

If he just cruises and goes with the flow it wont be all that bad

I have known road riders pic up dirt riding quick on CR250's etc (before the new style high HP 4 strokes)..... I know some MX riders that go well on a track but just cant get there head around trail rides... especially wet hill climbs.


I guess we will find out if he gets a 450 :laugh:

I'm not saying riding a 450 is like trying to tame a tornado, just saying there's a big difference between a road bike "oh shit" and a dirt bike "oh shit".

I doubt there's a trail rider on here that hasn't experienced it at least once.

[Brett]

Jays right on some points a MX bike is designed mainly for a MX/SX track and can be hard work in the forest but can be made to work. A Enduro/ cross country bike is suited to that environment but will be a struggle on a MX/SX track but can be made to work by firming up the suspension etc.
Brett decide were you plan on doing most of your riding and pick a style of bike best suited to the conditions likely to be found.

Trails etc. is my plan, but honestly mate - I have no idea what tracks are out there nor which bikes are best suited to which environments. I may find that I love MX and spend more time at the local MZ track. I just don't know. Have found a 2010 CRF250r I can get for sub $5k and a 2012 CRF450r with circa 60 hrs for $5.5k. Decision is split, I also don't have the time to go view them right now (working 8 til 8 or so). I started this whole process looking at a 250 enduro :blink: and have gone off course looking at 250 and 450 mx bikes. Sick of looking, just want one now.

[gwynfryn]

If you are at all competitive and want to go fast get a 250. If you want to sit down and have a bit of fun get a 450. If you change your mind sell it.

[Drew]

GL145 works fucken mint for me.

[thorns]

I'd say go the 450,

Less stressed motor / longer lasting if well maintained
Power when you need it, but still smooth and controllable
Can lug it when your tired
Add a throttle cam system thingy, and then you'd pretty much have a 250f to ride by twisting it up to half way, then just twist that throttle wide open when you really want to move.

Being a bigger guy like yourself, and having owned a 250f, I found pretty quickly they were a bit boring to ride when lugging a large rider. There's only one way to ride it, and that is wide open, throttle at the stops. They make impressive power, and rev like mad, but it also means, your always working the engine hard and up near the limiter to get anywhere fast. Where as on a 450, with power and torque to burn, pretty much anyone who isn't a pro cant ride one of these things wide open, you can short shift and it doesn't matter, want to carry a higher gear, doesn't matter....... Yes, they can get you into trouble if your not careful, but a bad whiskey throttle at the wrong time on any bike and your taking a dirt sample.

But in saying all this, best way is to try ride a 450 and a 250 on a track/trail and see for yourself. Everything else is just each persons personal opinion/preference, what works for me, isn't going to work for everyone else.

[Brett]

Righto, decision has been made - for the better or the worse. I am deciding between two bikes.

2009 CRF450r

approx 60 hrs total, mostly trail riding. Wiseco piston put in 10 hours ago. new clutch and chain. $4800.

2012 CRF450r (as discussed earlier)

Ex nationals race bike for a season.
had full rebuild 2.8 hours ago (top and bottom)
also new clutch
pro curcuit pipe and standard pipe
near new tyres
brand new graphics and seat cover
k&n air filter
old spare plastics
brand new linkage bearings
suspension revalved at preformance factory
upgraded ecu and comes with standard
well serviced and greased oftenly and services were every 5 hours
renthal fatbars and renthal clamps

$5500.

I am going to go for one of these bikes...just which one is the question. Want to decide tonight and pick up on Friday or Sat. Thoughts? (particularly on the ex-race bike..if it has just had a full rebuild and check over, presumably it should be pretty tight?

[george formby]

Hmm.
2009, trail ridden. new piston, new clutch @ 60 hours or so. $4800. Anal owner, high maintenance bike, something unsaid? 5 hours a ride, 12 rides or 24 for fucking about?

2012, competition bike as above + plastics, pipes etc. $5500.

And why go for a wiseco piston over original?

My instincts for better or worse lean towards the later model bike unless it's being sold by a skint teenager.

[Brett]

Hmm.
2009, trail ridden. new piston, new clutch @ 60 hours or so. $4800. Anal owner, high maintenance bike, something unsaid? 5 hours a ride, 12 rides or 24 for fucking about?

2012, competition bike as above + plastics, pipes etc. $5500.

And why go for a wiseco piston over original?

My instincts for better or worse lean towards the later model bike unless it's being sold by a skint teenager.

Sellers comments:

2012 bike being sold due to replaced by new bike.
2009 bike - apparently all work done by previous (first) owner who wanted to go Motox with it, but wifey stopped him. Second owner bought then hurt knee & couldn't ride, decided to now sell.

Those are the stories. Might just have to pick one and go with it. A risk either way, 2009 bike is in Rotorua, 2012 in Stratford. Either way a decent drive from Auckland to view. I'm leaning to the 2012 bike due to recent re-build and suspension re-valving.

[leathel]

I would be looking at the wear on the frame and cases of the 2009... may be the hour meter was put on after a good bit of work hence new piston/clutch

Or Someone had a shed pony and wanted to have the best clutch and bits (in his mind) but if its the later there will be little wear on the frame and engine cases :)

[Brett]

I would be looking at the wear on the frame and cases of the 2009... may be the hour meter was put on after a good bit of work hence new piston/clutch

Or Someone had a shed pony and wanted to have the best clutch and bits (in his mind) but if its the later there will be little wear on the frame and engine cases :)

Good points, cheers.

[flashg]

Righto...decided that I would like to do some dirt riding. Looking to do trail riding largely. My dirt riding pals have suggested a 250cc is easier to ride/less work than the larger bikes. I have someone possibly keen to do a swap + cash deal on my CBR1000rr for a 2009 Honda crf250x. What are people's thoughts on this bike? Any other model recommendations to look at? I am not Brand/make loyal. I want something that is not too painful maintenance wise, is reasonably powerful (I am 6ft 3, 100kg) and handles well. I am keen to stay 4 stroke.



Fire thoughts away.



Cheers




Have you thought about a WR 250R a great bike with long life engine ( 40,000 kms valve check ) fuel injected, will do trail, even play on MX tracks, go adventure riding, ride to work. Most versatile 250 out there. You won't be doing top end @ 100 hours either.
I have WR 450 2012 i think a 250 would be more fun. I'm sure I'd be faster on a 250.
An enduro bike will last longer than a MX bike (engine not so stressed) that means less money spent on rebuilds.


My 2 cents

[Jay GTI]

Doesn't make a great deal of sense to have a new clutch on a 60hr bike, I'd go for the 2012. It's a race bike, so it will have had a harder life, but it should have been looked after better. Being greased regularly (linkages etc) shows the owner knows how to maintain a bike.

[Brett]

For better or worse, I just won an auction on trademe for a 2011 Kwaka KFX450. Guess I'm going to find out whether a 450 is too much bike now aren't I. Honest progress reports to follow.

[flashg]

Nice bike. Look after it and you'll have shit loads of fun. And you will get used to the power I'm sure.

[thorns]

For better or worse, I just won an auction on trademe for a 2011 Kwaka KFX450. Guess I'm going to find out whether a 450 is too much bike now aren't I. Honest progress reports to follow.

You chose the right colour! :2thumbsup

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pah. This is what you want Son!

295855

[oneblackflag]

Have you thought about a WR 250R a great bike with long life engine ( 40,000 kms valve check ) fuel injected, will do trail, even play on MX tracks, go adventure riding, ride to work. Most versatile 250 out there. You won't be doing top end @ 100 hours either.
I have WR 450 2012 i think a 250 would be more fun. I'm sure I'd be faster on a 250.
An enduro bike will last longer than a MX bike (engine not so stressed) that means less money spent on rebuilds.


My 2 cents

I have the WRR... Great bike but you do have to make some trade offs for the longevity, 20 od kg over the WRF and down on power by quite a bit until you do all the mods to them, airbox, full exhaust, fuel progarmer etc. But yea as a do anything bike can't be beat I reckon.


For better or worse, I just won an auction on trademe for a 2011 Kwaka KFX450. Guess I'm going to find out whether a 450 is too much bike now aren't I. Honest progress reports to follow.

Nice bike.

[flashg]

I have the WRR... Great bike but you do have to make some trade offs for the longevity, 20 od kg over the WRF and down on power by quite a bit until you do all the mods to them, airbox, full exhaust, fuel progarmer etc. But yea as a do anything bike can't be beat I reckon.







Nice bike.


My son had a WRR but was stolen twice never got it back second time. Yamaha says 131 wet WR250R and 129 wet WR 450F 2012 only 2 kg's YZ a lot lighter but not sure of weights

[oneblackflag]

My son had a WRR but was stolen twice never got it back second time. Yamaha says 131 wet WR250R and 129 wet WR 450F 2012 only 2 kg's YZ a lot lighter but not sure of weights

Yea, was comparing 250s. Bummer it was stolen.

[pipe]

My son had a WRR but was stolen twice never got it back second time. Yamaha says 131 wet WR250R and 129 wet WR 450F 2012 only 2 kg's YZ a lot lighter but not sure of weights

Fair bit weight can be stripped off the WRR. you should be able to get down to around 5kg more then the WRF 250

[flashg]

Fair bit weight can be stripped off the WRR. you should be able to get down to around 5kg more then the WRF 250




yes i think your right. I'm not sure if 450 is weight with road kit on or not. But for racing i could remove battery and starter. But I'm way to old for racing etc. I find it light enough compared to my 660 tenere at 209 kg wet

[oneblackflag]

Fair bit weight can be stripped off the WRR. you should be able to get down to around 5kg more then the WRF 250

Must look into that.... A!ot came off with the pipe, but then I've added a bigger tank and tail rack so back to square one

[Jay GTI]

For better or worse, I just won an auction on trademe for a 2011 Kwaka KFX450. Guess I'm going to find out whether a 450 is too much bike now aren't I. Honest progress reports to follow.

Ah good choice, if you'd gone a year either side of that bike you would have had an animal, but the 2011 bike was the year Kwaka tried to calm the engine down. Not to say it's short of power, but at least they attempted to make it smooth.

[scott411]

Ah good choice, if you'd gone a year either side of that bike you would have had an animal, but the 2011 bike was the year Kwaka tried to calm the engine down. Not to say it's short of power, but at least they attempted to make it smooth.

you can also get those progammed to be tamer, (not plug and play like the 2012 onwards, but any dealer with the KX FI tool will be able to reprogramme it, you want to use the Hardpack map for a smoother power,

[Brett]

Well...picked it up last night. Seems like a decent bike for the price - although I couldn't get the thing to start. Owner said it had been sitting for 6 months and fuel was pretty old. Hoping he's legit - the bike certainly seems well looked after and he seemed like a straight up bloke. Will have another crack at it in the morning.

[george formby]

Well...picked it up last night. Seems like a decent bike for the price - although I couldn't get the thing to start. Owner said it had been sitting for 6 months and fuel was pretty old. Hoping he's legit - the bike certainly seems well looked after and he seemed like a straight up bloke. Will have another crack at it in the morning.
Looking forward to your first ride report. Keep us posted.

[BoristheBiter]

Well...picked it up last night. Seems like a decent bike for the price - although I couldn't get the thing to start. Owner said it had been sitting for 6 months and fuel was pretty old. Hoping he's legit - the bike certainly seems well looked after and he seemed like a straight up bloke. Will have another crack at it in the morning.

Well then, Berm buster is this weekend. nice and easy, wide flowing trails.
even if wet, which it doesn't look like, there is good traction.
Just the right place to unleash the 450,:yeah:

[Jay GTI]

Well...picked it up last night. Seems like a decent bike for the price - although I couldn't get the thing to start. Owner said it had been sitting for 6 months and fuel was pretty old. Hoping he's legit - the bike certainly seems well looked after and he seemed like a straight up bloke. Will have another crack at it in the morning.

Hmmm.... the old fuel thing is a bit of a myth, certainly 6 months won't cause any serious issues, especially on a FI bike. Hope you have better luck this morning.

[thorns]

Hope it does work out, but gotta say, your a brave man driving away with the bike without knowing it definitely runs.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well...picked it up last night. Seems like a decent bike for the price - although I couldn't get the thing to start. Owner said it had been sitting for 6 months and fuel was pretty old. Hoping he's legit - the bike certainly seems well looked after and he seemed like a straight up bloke. Will have another crack at it in the morning.

If you collected it from him and paid him there and then...I wouldn't have paid him until it went mate.

[scott411]

Hmmm.... the old fuel thing is a bit of a myth, certainly 6 months won't cause any serious issues, especially on a FI bike. Hope you have better luck this morning.

disagree totally, old fuel is harder to start, def much worse on a carb'd bike tho, as the stuff in the carb goes off with all the vents , i would drain the fuel thats in their, or at least full it up with new stuff to get a good mix,

[Crasherfromwayback]

disagree totally, old fuel is harder to start, def much worse on a carb'd bike tho, as the stuff in the carb goes off with all the vents , ,

Plus one. Creates all sorts of problems.

[Jay GTI]

But how old is old? I agree having old fuel sitting in a carb for a long period is an issue, but 6 months on a FI bike I wouldn't have thought would be a problem.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But how old is old? I agree having old fuel sitting in a carb for a long period is an issue, but 6 months on a FI bike I wouldn't have thought would be a problem.

Even several weeks can be a prob mate. When it evaporates off it leaves behind a horrible gunk. And it looses it's potency pretty bloody quickly too.

[scott411]

But how old is old? I agree having old fuel sitting in a carb for a long period is an issue, but 6 months on a FI bike I wouldn't have thought would be a problem.

anything over a couple of months is to long,

it can be harder on FI stuff as well, i have seen bikes that have sat for a couple of years need new fuel pumps, as the gunk has dried in the in tank fuel filter/pump and has needed replacing, they are not cheap to replace,

[Jay GTI]

anything over a couple of months is to long,

it can be harder on FI stuff as well, i have seen bikes that have sat for a couple of years need new fuel pumps, as the gunk has dried in the in tank fuel filter/pump and has needed replacing, they are not cheap to replace,

Yeah did a fuel pump on the 350, that was a nice $950 well spent... but that was more to do with the filter and pump design on the first bikes, the '12s had a different pump and filter.

I guess what I'm clumisly trying to say is I'd be reluctant to accept old fuel as an excuse for a bike that won't start, as it might point to bigger problems, like a bike that is in need of a top end rebuilt.

[scott411]

Yeah did a fuel pump on the 350, that was a nice $950 well spent... but that was more to do with the filter and pump design on the first bikes, the '12s had a different pump and filter.

I guess what I'm clumisly trying to say is I'd be reluctant to accept old fuel as an excuse for a bike that won't start, as it might point to bigger problems, like a bike that is in need of a top end rebuilt.

having spent most of my adult life selling dirt bikes, i know old fuel makes bikes hard to start, with my first boss we did a weekly start ups of the whole show room, but as we got bigger and busier this became alot harder, if i knew someone was coming to look at a bike i always tried to start it before they arrived,

the fuel pump issue you had would be more likely dust/dirt, and as you say a bad filter design, rather than stale fuel tho, although none of the fuel injection systems seem to have replaceable filters for the in tank fuel pumps, that I have seen anyway,

[Jay GTI]

having spent most of my adult life selling dirt bikes, i know old fuel makes bikes hard to start, with my first boss we did a weekly start ups of the whole show room, but as we got bigger and busier this became alot harder, if i knew someone was coming to look at a bike i always tried to start it before they arrived,

the fuel pump issue you had would be more likely dust/dirt, and as you say a bad filter design, rather than stale fuel tho, although none of the fuel injection systems seem to have replaceable filters for the in tank fuel pumps, that I have seen anyway,

Yeah combination of dirt and poor design, apparently. The new pump was a different unit and failure of the fuel pump was a well-known issue. And you're right, the '12 filter was different but that was on the output side of the pump, so wouldn't have affected the pump itself. However injector blockage and failure was also an issue on the '11 bikes...

Fair enough on the old fuel thing, I have way less experience, so can only draw on the few bikes I've owned, which is nothing compared to what you and Crasher have dealt with.

With a 2011 bike with only 60hrs on the meter, there's been more than a couple of months between rides at times and no starting issues for me. Over 3 months since my last ride and it fired up straight away on Sunday when I prepped it for Waikaretu this Sunday, but I'll fully admit the magic button helps a lot (so not saying that makes me right or anything).

Fingers crossed it is old fuel for the OP then.

[george formby]

:shit:Just googled a KFX 450. 4 wheels no less. So I'm guessing it's a dyslexic KXF.

On the piccies it looks organic start. Hopefully just a right leg running in process.

[Brett]

If you collected it from him and paid him there and then...I wouldn't have paid him until it went mate.

Yeah, not my brightest moment. Was under pressure at collection, was 8:30pm and still had to get back to the office to finish some urgent work before going home having started at 6:30am..not really on my bet form. Hopefully the thing isn't a lemon and runs ok. My old man had a crack at it this afternoon and couldn't get it to start either. I'm hoping that there is some knack to this I am missing. Otherwise I might be trying my luck on getting my cash back.

[Brett]

:shit:Just googled a KFX 450. 4 wheels no less. So I'm guessing it's a dyslexic KXF.

On the piccies it looks organic start. Hopefully just a right leg running in process.

Yeah, will make some time on Saturday to do a basic go over including new fuel and see if it helps. Certainly sounds like a fuel issue. My old man could get it to fire, but not stay running. Not quite the beginning to dirt riding I was after, but hey - not worth getting into a tiz about just yet, got to confirm there is a problem before getting too stressed.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, not my brightest moment. Was under pressure at collection, was 8:30pm and still had to get back to the office to finish some urgent work before going home having started at 6:30am..not really on my bet form. Hopefully the thing isn't a lemon and runs ok. My old man had a crack at it this afternoon and couldn't get it to start either. I'm hoping that there is some knack to this I am missing. Otherwise I might be trying my luck on getting my cash back.

Ok. If you haven't had any practice at starting big singles...there's def a knack to it. First things first...drain the so called old fuel mate.

Then you've really gotta make sure you let the kickstart lever get to the VERY top of the avail stroke once you've moved them through tdc. Even one wee ratchet or two from full stroke can fuck things up unless you're a real tough cunt. Then you've gotta jump on that cunt like you're trying to bust it's balls. Any form of half arsed kick is like trying to piss into the wind. Spray some engine start into the airbox.

[Brett]

Depending on the outcome of this (and for future reference) who is a good Kawasaki dirt dealer or service center in the Auckland region to use? Happy to do basic maintenance myself, but time is a very very valuable commodity to me at the moment.

[Brett]

Ok. If you haven't had any practice at starting big singles...there's def a knack to it. First things first...drain the so called old fuel mate.

Then you've really gotta make sure you let the kickstart lever get to the VERY top of the avail stroke once you've moved them through tdc. Even one wee ratchet or two from full stroke can fuck things up unless you're a real tough cunt. Then you've gotta jump on that cunt like you're trying to bust it's balls. Any form of half arsed kick is like trying to piss into the wind. Spray some engine start into the airbox.

Two things:

1) Maybe a dumb question, but how do you know when it is at tdc?

2) From your description it should be a bitch to kick over...mine definitely isn't too bad - compression issue??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Depending on the outcome of this (and for future reference) who is a good Kawasaki dirt dealer or service center in the Auckland region to use? Happy to do basic maintenance myself, but time is a very very valuable commodity to me at the moment.

Check with Scott. He's an honest straight up geezer that knows the K dealers and his shit well.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Two things:

1) Maybe a dumb question, but how do you know when it is at tdc?

2) From your description it should be a bitch to kick over...mine definitely isn't too bad - compression issue??

Not dumb at all mate. Kick them through very slowly...you'll feel them come up on the compression stroke. Soon as they go over tdc you'll feel it. Then give it what for.

It'll have (I'm assuming) an automatic decompression system that makes them easier to kick over. But that doesn't always mean that just kicking them like a two stroke is the best way to start them. I've seen all sorts of very experienced riders/racers struggle with them mate. And whilst I'm only a little fulla...I've never really struggled due to technique I guess learnt from trying to fire up open class two strokes as a scrawny teenager.

[Brett]

Not dumb at all mate. Kick them through very slowly...you'll feel them come up on the compression stroke. Soon as they go over tdc you'll feel it. Then give it what for.

It'll have (I'm assuming) an automatic decompression system that makes them easier to kick over. But that doesn't always mean that just kicking them like a two stroke is the best way to start them. I've seen all sorts of very experienced riders/racers struggle with them mate. And whilst I'm only a little fulla...I've never really struggled due to technique I guess learnt from trying to fire up open class two strokes as a scrawny teenager.

Thanks crasher. Will bare this in mind when I get stuck in on Friday or Sat. Will let you know how I get on.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thanks crasher. Will bare this in mind when I get stuck in on Friday or Sat. Will let you know how I get on.

Feel free to call me at work on (04) 8010-725 DDI if during work hours...or (04) 8018-666 AHRS if you need help mate.

[barty5]

Yeah did a fuel pump on the 350, that was a nice $950 well spent... but that was more to do with the filter and pump design on the first bikes, the '12s had a different pump and filter.

I guess what I'm clumisly trying to say is I'd be reluctant to accept old fuel as an excuse for a bike that won't start, as it might point to bigger problems, like a bike that is in need of a top end rebuilt.

you should ask Cheese about old fuel caught him out once or twice.

[barty5]

Thanks crasher. Will bare this in mind when I get stuck in on Friday or Sat. Will let you know how I get on.

Id swap out the plug as well had a few in the past ive bought done full engine rebuild with fresh gas tried to reuse what had looked like a perfectly good plug only to end up with that floging a dead horse feeling all over a plug.

[thorns]

As others said, try the basics first, drain fuel and replace with new, throw a new spark plug at it.

In regards to kicking it over, find TDC, and then give a long kick right through the stroke of the kick start lever, don't kick it like a 2 stroke, I had the same problem when I first rode a 4 stroke and couldn't get the thing to start. In fact, think I started a thread on it here lol, will see if I can find it for you. ( http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152429-4t-starting )

Also, remember to pull the choke out, even though its FI, still will need it when cold starting. Its the same knob you use for adjusting the idle.

[scott411]

ok, most of the advice above is good,

on modern fuel injected four strokes, you need to kick them over about 3 times from cold to charge the capacitor, which powers the fuel injection,

make sure you do full kicks, you have to turn the crank twice to start it, so stabbing at the kick start will not work, if you know how to find top dead centre then thats even better, i go just past, then back to the top of the kick start and stand on it,

A new Spark Plug, and fresh fuel will do wonders,

Spectrum Motorcycles, just off Barrys Point Road Takapuna is the best place for Kawi MX bikes close to the city, the boys in there have had plenty to do with them,

[Mattr]

Also check the valve clearance

[Jay GTI]

you should ask Cheese about old fuel caught him out once or twice.

It's ok, I already know I am wrong... :)

[BoristheBiter]

Depending on the outcome of this (and for future reference) who is a good Kawasaki dirt dealer or service center in the Auckland region to use? Happy to do basic maintenance myself, but time is a very very valuable commodity to me at the moment.


ok, most of the advice above is good,


Spectrum Motorcycles, just off Barrys Point Road Takapuna is the best place for Kawi MX bikes close to the city, the boys in there have had plenty to do with them,


Yep, i send my bikes there, top guys, know their shit, and do a good job. (on any bike).

[Brett]

ok, most of the advice above is good,

on modern fuel injected four strokes, you need to kick them over about 3 times from cold to charge the capacitor, which powers the fuel injection,

make sure you do full kicks, you have to turn the crank twice to start it, so stabbing at the kick start will not work, if you know how to find top dead centre then thats even better, i go just past, then back to the top of the kick start and stand on it,

A new Spark Plug, and fresh fuel will do wonders,

Spectrum Motorcycles, just off Barrys Point Road Takapuna is the best place for Kawi MX bikes close to the city, the boys in there have had plenty to do with them,

Thanks for that.

So today I left work early, got home, drained the fuel, checked the plug and refilled with fresh fuel. Couldn't get it to go...every 3rd or 4th kick it would try and cough to life, but never do so. Decided to give the bloke I bought it from a ring and check if I am missing anything...he ran me through how he did it, so off I went for round 2. Just as I am giving up after another few minutes of trying, he calls me back and asks "stupid questions, but you have removed the air intake protector haven't you?" No I hadn't. Rookie mistake number one. Of course a bike wont start without any air for combustion. Open up box, pull off cover and put filter in place and sure enough, first kick it fires to life.

Also made rookie mistake number two with kick starter and now have a really skinned shin with a massive haematoma haha. Rookie mistake no 2 out of the way.

Cheers for the help on this guys. Will still drop it in with Spectrum to get a double check and service done to make sure it's all ship shape.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cheers for the help on this guys. Will still drop it in with Spectrum to get a double check and service done to make sure it's all ship shape.

Chuffed for you that it's a goodin after all mate! Now all we need is pictures!

[Brett]

Chuffed for you that it's a goodin after all mate! Now all we need is pictures!

To follow soon!

[scott411]

Thanks for that.

So today I left work early, got home, drained the fuel, checked the plug and refilled with fresh fuel. Couldn't get it to go...every 3rd or 4th kick it would try and cough to life, but never do so. Decided to give the bloke I bought it from a ring and check if I am missing anything...he ran me through how he did it, so off I went for round 2. Just as I am giving up after another few minutes of trying, he calls me back and asks "stupid questions, but you have removed the air intake protector haven't you?" No I hadn't. Rookie mistake number one. Of course a bike wont start without any air for combustion. Open up box, pull off cover and put filter in place and sure enough, first kick it fires to life.

Also made rookie mistake number two with kick starter and now have a really skinned shin with a massive haematoma haha. Rookie mistake no 2 out of the way.

Cheers for the help on this guys. Will still drop it in with Spectrum to get a double check and service done to make sure it's all ship shape.

i was going to warn you about that, they kick back pretty hard, i have a a couple of foot peg scars from similar instances,

[BoristheBiter]

Thanks for that.

So today I left work early, got home, drained the fuel, checked the plug and refilled with fresh fuel. Couldn't get it to go...every 3rd or 4th kick it would try and cough to life, but never do so. Decided to give the bloke I bought it from a ring and check if I am missing anything...he ran me through how he did it, so off I went for round 2. Just as I am giving up after another few minutes of trying, he calls me back and asks "stupid questions, but you have removed the air intake protector haven't you?" No I hadn't. Rookie mistake number one. Of course a bike wont start without any air for combustion. Open up box, pull off cover and put filter in place and sure enough, first kick it fires to life.

Also made rookie mistake number two with kick starter and now have a really skinned shin with a massive haematoma haha. Rookie mistake no 2 out of the way.

Cheers for the help on this guys. Will still drop it in with Spectrum to get a double check and service done to make sure it's all ship shape.

:killingme:killingme that's just gold, like the time i forgot to turn the fuel on the old xr.

Welcome to the world of dirt. now the big question is where you taking it this weekend?

[thorns]

haha, glad you got it sorted and it was something simple and silly.

Gotta say I'm guilty of not removing the filter wash plug myself, got to the track about an hour away from my house, unloaded, geared up, and then realised. No ride for me that day! :mad:

[ktm84mxc]

HaHaHa can do 1 better Dad was kicking away on a KTM85 for 5 minutes would fire then die , little Johnny getting upset going to miss race . I could see from a distance the exhaust bung was still in strolled over and removed it for poor hapless Dad, all good His Wife was laughing the whole time .......

[scott411]

HaHaHa can do 1 better Dad was kicking away on a KTM85 for 5 minutes would fire then die , little Johnny getting upset going to miss race . I could see from a distance the exhaust bung was still in strolled over and removed it for poor hapless Dad, all good His Wife was laughing the whole time .......

yes, seen the exhaust bung thing as well, and many people stop half way up the start straight because of leaving the fuel tap off, (I still try to check them on the line)

remember Niki Urwin loosing the Expert 250 class at the taupiri supercross one year because he left the choke on and the bike would not rev,

have seen a number of people leave rags in the airbox and bikes would not run properly,

also have seen a friend that had left a tyre lever inside the tyre,

[Jay GTI]

Done the exhaust bung in thing, have spent 20 minutes pushing a bike around a car park trying to start it with the fuel tap off (people were joining in to help me push it too), have got to a ride and started the bike, thought it sounded funny, then realised the air filter was at home in my garage, turned up to a ride without my boots...

[scott411]

Done the exhaust bung in thing, have spent 20 minutes pushing a bike around a car park trying to start it with the fuel tap off (people were joining in to help me push it too), have got to a ride and started the bike, thought it sounded funny, then realised the air filter was at home in my garage, turned up to a ride without my boots...

i turned up to a race with 2 left boots once,

forgotten my helmet a couple of times as well,

[scott411]

When i was a kid i prepped both mine, and my fathers bikes for racing, (it was part of the deal, if i did not clean, do air filters, chains etc on both bikes, we did not go racing)

seems i forgot which was the chain links had to go one, and both my KX80, and my Dads KDX200 lost chains in practice due to me putting the clips on backwards

[barty5]

way back when woodhill was its old self (old car park) turned up with wrong fuel drum ( the one that wasnt mixed) long walk pushing down the beach that day stripped motor found one mashed piston.

Think there a few on here might remember someone (wont name names ) who was at woodhill 2man was driving new diesel truck and managed to fill bike at the same pump lol. 1st atemp to make a 2 stroke diesel bike

[driftn]

Righto...decided that I would like to do some dirt riding. Looking to do trail riding largely. My dirt riding pals have suggested a 250cc is easier to ride/less work than the larger bikes. I have someone possibly keen to do a swap + cash deal on my CBR1000rr for a 2009 Honda crf250x. What are people's thoughts on this bike? Any other model recommendations to look at? I am not Brand/make loyal. I want something that is not too painful maintenance wise, is reasonably powerful (I am 6ft 3, 100kg) and handles well. I am keen to stay 4 stroke.

Fire thoughts away.

Cheers


GN 250, best dirt bike ever made.

[Brett]

GN 250, best dirt bike ever made.

Bro...you're a bit late to the party. :p

[Brett]

Well...just been playing around here at home in the driveway and the yard...no one can say a 450 is lacking in power. amazing torque. Also, need a new rear wheel spacer, best place in aucks to get one tomorrow?

[BoristheBiter]

Well...just been playing around here at home in the driveway and the yard...no one can say a 450 is lacking in power. amazing torque. Also, need a new rear wheel spacer, best place in aucks to get one tomorrow?

I would say spectrum but cycletreads might be the only one open.

There is a good ride (deer rustler) next weekend up at Paraki run by the WMCC.
Great friendly ride and really easy loop, there is hard loops if you feel the need.

Check it out on silver bullet.
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event.php?id=11257

[Brett]

I would say spectrum but cycletreads might be the only one open.

There is a good ride (deer rustler) next weekend up at Paraki run by the WMCC.
Great friendly ride and really easy loop, there is hard loops if you feel the need.

Check it out on silver bullet.
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event.php?id=11257

Cheers for that. If I can get away from work I will be keen.

[flyingcr250]

also have seen a friend that had left a tyre lever inside the tyre,


hahaha dear oh dear

[Brett]

So, I do quite like this 450 bike...the torque really is quite cool. Be interesting to see what it is like on a tight trail or such. Interestingly, I have found myself today watching more and more 250 2smoker video's on youtube. They look psychotic to ride...and I want to add one to the garage now. early 2000's kx250 might be the go-er. Will have to see if I can make some space at my office warehouse to store an additional bike before seriously looking for one though.

[ktm84mxc]

Go on do it buy a 2 smoker it will be the best investment in FUN you'll ever make. There's plenty to choose from KX, CR, YZ, RM , KTM etc.

[Jay GTI]

So despite my advice, you bought a 450 and now you want a 250 2t? You're not right in the head...

...and I absolutely mean that as a compliment!

[BoristheBiter]

So despite my advice, you bought a 450 and now you want a 250 2t? You're not right in the head...

...and I absolutely mean that as a compliment!

Fuck it go the whole hog :wacko:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2258/img0429wd.jpg

[Brett]

So despite my advice, you bought a 450 and now you want a 250 2t? You're not right in the head...

...and I absolutely mean that as a compliment!

Lol...I have been accused of that several times for various "hobbies" that I engage in.:lol:

[Brett]

Fuck it go the whole hog :wacko:



Not a bad line up! My problem at the moment is garage space. I can only fit my car and 1 bike at the moment. In fact, due to having company stock sitting in my garage at the moment, the KX450 is living outside this weekend. Going to set up an area inside my offices warehouse and the bikes can live there I think.

[Crasherfromwayback]

My problem at the moment is garage space. I can only fit my car and 1 bike at the moment. .

Put it inside the house you pussy!296331

[BoristheBiter]

Not a bad line up! My problem at the moment is garage space. I can only fit my car and 1 bike at the moment. In fact, due to having company stock sitting in my garage at the moment, the KX450 is living outside this weekend. Going to set up an area inside my offices warehouse and the bikes can live there I think.

The first question you must ask is what the fuck is a car doing taken up bike space?

[Brett]

The first question you must ask is what the fuck is a car doing taken up bike space?

I love my cage as much as I love the bikes I have owned/still own.

[BoristheBiter]

I love my cage as much as I love the bikes I have owned/still own.

Like Crasher says, time to move them indoors until a larger garage can be found. :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like Crasher says, time to move them indoors until a larger garage can be found. :niceone:

Fuck yeah!

[Brett]

Well, time hasn't allowed me much opportunity to ride the KX450F much at all ( like...twice). But got out today around some of the local hills etc. Noticed 2 things:

1) climbing a steep muddy track is a LOT harder than I thought it would be. dropped it twice at very slow speed and stalled it probably 3 times.

2) climbing a steep grass hill with the back wheel spinning and still wheelieing all the way up is a lot of fun :lol:

[codgyoleracer]

Yep. I ride in sand a lot...so they're the only choice for me other than a 500cc two stroke.

Nutter .......

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nutter .......

Thanks! I know this guy that owns a near 200hp road bike...

[Stylo]

Thanks! I know this guy that owns a near 200hp road bike...

Nothing wrong with being a nutter

[Jay GTI]

Nah there's nothing nutter about riding a 450 or 500 2T in the sand, they make it easier. Riding a 125 in deep sand, now that is hard work....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah there's nothing nutter about riding a 450 or 500 2T in the sand, they make it easier. Riding a 125 in deep sand, now that is hard work....

Damn straight!

[Brett]

Update: Bought a 2012 KTM 350SXF today, just got back from Woodhill. A perfect balance in what I am looking for - great handling with manageable power. Onwards and upwards.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Update: Bought a 2012 KTM 350SXF today, just got back from Woodhill. A perfect balance in what I am looking for - great handling with manageable power. Onwards and upwards.

Nice one mate. I bet they're great to ride.

[Milts]

So I'm in exactly the same position, but:

Pretty small guy (5' 7, 65 kg)
Looking to spend 2k-3k
Keen to ride wherever - probably mostly trails, I live in Brooklyn near Long Gully which makes that an easy option on the weekends
Keen to do so MX track riding for shits and giggles but not looking for quick lap times
Basically zero dirt experience


It sounds like I should probably be looking at a 250cc fourstroke Enduro? Electric start is a must, probably a kickstand as well...

Strongly leaning towards a KLX300 at the moment.

What's it like taking an enduro bike to the MX track from time to time?

What do people think of these options? And what's the real difference between something like a DRZ250, KLX300 or the Honda CRF250?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=898539386
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=896577031
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=901544519
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=900883197

[Brett]

My dirt experience is still rather limited, but I would say that a 250cc 4 stroke would be a good option. I would have gone down to 250cc except at 100kg/6ft 3 I am a bit bigger. I would have thought that for $3k you should be able to pick up a tidy older 250cc, such as CRF250r? That's what I would be looking for if in your shoes.

[flashg]

You'll still have heaps of fun on an mx track on an enduro bike. Enduro bikes have electric start these days and the gearing is more suited to tight trails with a wide ratio gearbox and low 1st gear. MX bikes have a tall 1st gear and close ratio gearbox, no kick stand, no electric start. Look at Yamaha WR 250, Honda CRF 250X KTM 250 exc, etc etc hope this helps

[pipe]

With a 3K budget have a look at a KDX200 as well.No electric start but easy to start and ride.
KLX300 are good old school trail bikes. u would be lucky to get a good CRF250R on your budget.