Key's human rights record

[Banditbandit]

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I'm sure some of you will have a lot to say about this ... :corn:

[Oscar]

I'm sure some of you will have a lot to say about this ... :corn:

I'm sure you have a supporting article...

[Banditbandit]

I'm sure you have a supporting article...

I'm sure I do too ... I am also sure that you have just as much assess to Google as I do ..

[blue rider]

well you can't say he hasn't gotten things increased during his time as Manager of this fair country.

[Oscar]

I'm sure I do too ... I am also sure that you have just as much assess to Google as I do ..

I see you're adopting Mashy's tactics, post inflammatory crap and then refuse to back it up - that's not like you.
I did in fact google all sorts of combinations of the words “human rights” “New Zealand” “United Nations” etc..for little result.
So perhaps you’d care to put up, Mashy Junior?

[carbonhed]

Here's some of the alumni of the UN HRC.

Zimbabwe, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, China, Russia,Algeria, Syria, Libya, Uganda, Vietnam, Pakistan........ Congo, Eritrea, Indonesia, Malaysia...... Armenia, Romania...............

Yawn.

[TheDemonLord]

The first question I have to as is whose Human Rights have been diminished?

[Oscar]

This is fucking funny.

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1401/Draft%20report%20of%20the%20Working%20Group%20on%2 0the%20Universal%20Periodic%20Review.1.pdf

These are comments and recommendations made by these outstanding practitioners of human rights:


Iran (Islamic Republic of) expressed concern over insufficient safeguards to protect
the rights of minorities from discrimination and marginalization, putting them at a higher
risk of torture and ill-treatment, and the continued high levels of violence against women,
particularly Māori, Pacific and minority women.


Libya welcomed the intention of the Government to introduce a new action plan for
human rights and encouraged consultations with all stakeholders. It noted the efforts and
the positive results of the Māori and the Pacifika in the field of employment, health,
education and administration of justice.

128.38. Continue to address all forms of political, economic and social
discrimination against the Māori and Pacific population by meeting their
various demands for constitutional and legal reforms and recognition
(Somalia);


128.53. Facilitate the realization of economic, social and cultural rights
through the reconstruction of the areas affected by earthquakes in 2010 and
2011 (Algeria);


128.55. Continue efforts aimed at promoting the rights of children, in
particular in the spheres of education, elimination of child poverty, meeting
needs of vulnerable and at-risk children (Ukraine);
128.56. Further strengthen its efforts in ensuring the protection of
children’s rights, including by fully implementing the 2013 Vulnerable
Children Bill and by considering implementing the restorative justice
principles to all children (Indonesia);
128.133. Establish appropriate national strategies with the aim to identify
and address structural discrimination in the justice system (Iran (Islamic
Republic of));

128.135. Exchange with other States its successful experience in the field of
food security (Somalia);
128.136. Ensure primary health facilities are adequately equipped to provide
care for persons with intellectual disabilities (Israel);
128.137. Step up efforts in providing equal access to health services to its
people, particularly to the minority and indigenous peoples in the country
(Malaysia);
128.138. Increase the number of childcare facilities and ensure that the most
disadvantaged groups also have an access to childcare subsidies under the
Working Families Scheme (Kyrgyzstan);
128.139. Take additional measures to increase access to free education for
children from low-income families and families living in rural areas
(Kyrgyzstan);
128.140. Take measures to address obstacles to accessing free education
(Namibia);
128.141. Particularly address the

[TheDemonLord]

wow....

Just

wow

This isn't even the pot calling the kettle black...




this is like the festering cesspit into-which-humanities-cumalative-and-collective-waste-is-poured calling a surgical floor 'filthy' because of a few blood spots

[oldrider]

I'm sure some of you will have a lot to say about this ... :corn:

I am so insensed that I will probably vote National this year ... just to force him back into office to fix it up!

Looking around at the alternatives to Key's mob ... it's absolutely Hobsons choice this time! :kick:

[Banditbandit]

I see you're adopting Mashy's tactics, post inflammatory crap and then refuse to back it up - that's not like you.
I did in fact google all sorts of combinations of the words “human rights” “New Zealand” “United Nations” etc..for little result.
So perhaps you’d care to put up, Mashy Junior?

You seem to be assuming that I take this seriously.

I thought I was just posting the pic as an inflammatory action - and then sit back and watch the fireworks.

(Well OK ... here's the draft 2014 report

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1401/Draft%20report%20of%20the%20Working%20Group%20on%2 0the%20Universal%20Periodic%20Review.1.pdf

here's something from 2009

http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/CCPR-C-NZL-Q-5.pdf )

[Oscar]

You seem to be assuming that I take this seriously.

I thought I was just posting the pic as an inflammatory action - and then sit back and watch the fireworks.

Actually, it's the best laugh I've had for a while.

[SMOKEU]

This is fucking funny.

Iran (Islamic Republic of) expressed concern over insufficient safeguards to protect
the rights of minorities from discrimination and marginalization, putting them at a higher
risk of torture and ill-treatment, and the continued high levels of violence against women,
particularly Māori, Pacific and minority women.


Libya welcomed the intention of the Government to introduce a new action plan for
human rights and encouraged consultations with all stakeholders. It noted the efforts and
the positive results of the Māori and the Pacifika in the field of employment, health,
education and administration of justice.

128.38. Continue to address all forms of political, economic and social
discrimination against the Māori and Pacific population by meeting their
various demands for constitutional and legal reforms and recognition
(Somalia);


These are comments and recommendations made by these outstanding practitioners of human rights:

That's weird considering that Islamic countries tend to have the worst human rights record in the world. Try preaching Christianity over there and see what happens...

[James Deuce]

He does a good Derp face. Looks natural.

[bluninja]

Wow UPR 13/14 jobs for the quango's, freeloading power mongers and their ilk. It's one of those wonderful reports where there is a "problem" and they think all governments should just jump, throw loads of resources at it in the hope of finding a solution, without regard to cost. As with all these things, there does not appear to be an objective yardstick to describe any of the rights that have been breached, such as poverty. Nor is their any recognition that in order to apply these rights, the rights and freedoms of others will be impinged upon, just because some organisation believes this is the way society should run.

I wonder how the report would have read without the Christchurch earthquake; or how other countries would have been measured with a backdrop of a disaster of such magnitude. Think about the anarchy, crime and rights abuses in the good old US of A around New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

I love the way that it blames the government for poor people having poor children, with violent men abusing their partners and children. Maybe John Key is responsible for all the poor children; it does say that 50% of sexual abuse is against European NZ women and 95% is against women 16-30 ...good child bearing age. No wonder John is smiling.

[Robert Taylor]

JK isn't perfect but the ''alternative'' would be a flipping horror story. The hypocrisy of the current Labour leader and the ''weasleness'' of Russell Norman is breathtaking

[Banditbandit]

JK isn't perfect but the ''alternative'' would be a flipping horror story. The hypocrisy of the current Labour leader and the ''weasleness'' of Russell Norman is breathtaking

Do you think that DonKey is immune from hypocrisy ??

[mashman]

Only 155... bet he won't meet his KPI.

[awa355]

Here's some of the alumni of the UN HRC.

Zimbabwe, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, China, Russia,Algeria, Syria, Libya, Uganda, Vietnam, Pakistan........ Congo, Eritrea, Indonesia, Malaysia...... Armenia, Romania...............

Yawn.

Says everything about the UN. A worthless gravy train that goes nowhere.

Having said that, I do admit the UN in some fields, have made great improvements to many lives. ( has taken Helen Clarke out of NZ for example.):crazy:

[avgas]

There isn't a worthy leader of NZ. So why try find one?

More importantly - is one needed?

[Grumph]

I wonder how the report would have read without the Christchurch earthquake; or how other countries would have been measured with a backdrop of a disaster of such magnitude. Think about the anarchy, crime and rights abuses in the good old US of A around New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.


I nearly fell off my chair laughing at this bit....Hasn't it penetrated yet that the anarchy, crime and civil rights violations as a result of the ChCh quakes are all being perpetrated by the govt....in your name too.

[Akzle]

i dont give a fuck but i feel the need to be in this thread.
the cunt needs more bullets in him.
Anyone who voted thinking it made a difference needs a punch in the throat.

Maybe ill go to chch and preach islam. While obviously being a nigger and surprisebuttseksing white wimmen.
Whuttup now, smokey.

[blue rider]

i dont give a fuck but i feel the need to be in this thread.
the cunt needs more bullets in him.
Anyone who voted thinking it made a difference needs a punch in the throat.

Maybe ill go to chch and preach islam. While obviously being a nigger and surprisebuttseksing white wimmen.
Whuttup now, smokey.


now now, stirring shit again? :devil2:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I am so insensed that I will probably vote National this year ... just to force him back into office to fix it up!

Looking around at the alternatives to Key's mob ... it's absolutely Hobsons choice this time! :kick:

Oh tosh.

I'm voting for that nice young Mr Norman and his lovely maori wife Metiria.

they and her uncle Winston will be fabulous custodians of the country.

[oldrider]

Yep ... thats about the depth of it! :rolleyes:

[SMOKEU]

There isn't a worthy leader of NZ. So why try find one?

More importantly - is one needed?

I'll be the leader!



Maybe ill go to chch and preach islam. While obviously being a nigger and surprisebuttseksing white wimmen.
Whuttup now, smokey.

Niggas always be trolling.

[Akzle]

now now, stirring shit again? :devil2:

moi, madame? Never!
:innocent:

[Robert Taylor]

Do you think that DonKey is immune from hypocrisy ??

Of course not, its just that the ultimate hypocrites are those that preach socialism ( Cunliffe etc ) but have very comfortable incomes and perks totally at odds with what they are preaching. I always find that a considerable irony.

[Robert Taylor]

Says everything about the UN. A worthless gravy train that goes nowhere.

Having said that, I do admit the UN in some fields, have made great improvements to many lives. ( has taken Helen Clarke out of NZ for example.):crazy:

Exactly, but that bitch needs stopping in ( its ) tracks. It would be a very sad day if she ( it ) got the top job.

[James Deuce]

Of course not, its just that the ultimate hypocrites are those that preach socialism ( Cunliffe etc ) but have very comfortable incomes and perks totally at odds with what they are preaching. I always find that a considerable irony.

I think we all do. I think the "hidden" trusts were the last straw for me with this particular bunch. I'm picking McCarten will be prepping Clayton Cosgrove or Shane Jones for the big seat next.

[Trade_nancy]

JK isn't perfect but the ''alternative'' would be a flipping horror story. The hypocrisy of the current Labour leader and the ''weasleness'' of Russell Norman is breathtaking

You mirrored my thoughts..esp re: weasely russell

[Robert Taylor]

You mirrored my thoughts..esp re: weasely russell

Now all that needs to happen is for JK to grow balls, wake up one morning and call a snap election on the principle of seeking a mandate to IMMEDIATELY stop all treaty claims and to eliminate all race based parliamentary seats.

[Delerium]

wow....

Just

wow

This isn't even the pot calling the kettle black...




this is like the festering cesspit into-which-humanities-cumalative-and-collective-waste-is-poured calling a surgical floor 'filthy' because of a few blood spots

Yup, UN is a feelgood joke that achieves nothing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Now all that needs to happen is for JK to grow balls, wake up one morning and call a snap election on the principle of seeking a mandate to IMMEDIATELY stop all treaty claims and to eliminate all race based parliamentary seats.

Then what will Tuhoi spend their millions on?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yup, UN is a feelgood joke that achieves nothing.

Nonsense. Now Uncle Helen is in charge many good things have happened. She left the country for starters.

[mashman]

Of course not, its just that the ultimate hypocrites are those that preach socialism ( Cunliffe etc ) but have very comfortable incomes and perks totally at odds with what they are preaching. I always find that a considerable irony.

The biggest hypocrites are the ones who vote knowing full well that they're not getting the best (by a long chalk), yet they vote anyway. Sad, but true. To be fair, the bigger hypocrites are the ones who vote for a party so that party X has less chance of getting in. Lashings of irony too.

[Hitcher]

Armagard! If it's on Facebook, then it must be true.

[SPman]

Of course not, its just that the ultimate hypocrites are those that preach socialism ( Cunliffe etc ) but have very comfortable incomes and perks totally at odds with what they are preaching. I always find that a considerable irony. They don't preach socialism - they talk about social justice - there's a difference, but it seems to fly over most peoples tiny brains.

[Stylo]

Now all that needs to happen is for JK to grow balls, wake up one morning and call a snap election on the principle of seeking a mandate to IMMEDIATELY stop all treaty claims and to eliminate all race based parliamentary seats.

Election date is Sept 20th announced today and, on the basis of this thread, having read it from start to finish I must say Cunliffe doesn't rate too highly on recent performance.. It's not who I'll vote for it's who I'll vote against.

Imagine Cunliffe as PM ?

At least he has the staunch Labour loyalist Matt Mcarten to be the best friend he ever had , just don't bend over to pick up the soap DC !

[Oakie]

At least he has the staunch Labour loyalist Matt Mcarten to be the best friend he ever had

So loyal he went to help ACT out (Was it ACT?)

Waiting for someone to put up the first 'How you gonna vote?' poll.

[Robbo]

Oh tosh.

I'm voting for that nice young Mr Norman and his lovely maori wife Metiria.

they and her uncle Winston will be fabulous custodians of the country.

Did you forget to take your meds this morning Tim :msn-wink:

[Ocean1]

As with all these things, there does not appear to be an objective yardstick to describe any of the rights that have been breached, such as poverty.

I think it's based on what they call "economic distance" from 60% of the median household income.

You have more "poor" in most western countries than most third world countries. Because the UN say so.

If pushed they'll admit it's a re-branded "inequality" metric.

In short, it's a joke.

[MisterD]

They don't preach socialism - they talk about social justice - there's a difference,

Yeah, the difference is that the latter is the cuddly-sounding trojan for the former...

Funny how the bulk of the "social justice" policies seem to be designed to keep the recipents dependent on state handouts and voting for the parties that promise them.

I keep hearing about how capitalism allegedly needs poor unemployed types to function, when it's actually left wing parties that need poor unemployed types to keep voting them into the power to pick other peoples' pockets.

[oldrider]

So loyal he sent to help ACT out (Was it ACT?)

I think you mean the short lived Alliance party, don't you? :shifty:

[Oakie]

I think you mean the short lived Alliance party, don't you? :shifty:

I think I did.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, the difference is that the latter is the cuddly-sounding trojan for the former...

Funny how the bulk of the "social justice" policies seem to be designed to keep the recipents dependent on state handouts and voting for the parties that promise them.

I keep hearing about how capitalism allegedly needs poor unemployed types to function, when it's actually left wing parties that need poor unemployed types to keep voting them into the power to pick other peoples' pockets.

I think that you are seeing economic justice as the same as social justice - economic justice is only a small part of the wider picture of social justice ...


And what about the handouts that the right wing parties give to business??? Isn't business charity the same? Creates a dependency on the state and is against the ideas of the Free Market ...

[Ocean1]

And what about the handouts that the right wing parties give to business??? Isn't business charity the same?

Show me a business that recieves more from the government than it pays to them.

Show me a business that gets public support if it fails.

Any morsel tossed to what is increasingly and alarmingly called "the productive sector" is at least targeted to improve downstream tax revenue, hardly a handout and far from benevolent behaviour on the state's part.


Creates a dependency on the state and is against the ideas of the Free Market ...

Completely arse about face, the state is dependent on business. Business on the other hand would overjoyed at the prospect of eliminating yet another parasitic overhead.

[Banditbandit]

Go here .. three years ago

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4859373/A-history-of-bailouts

How about he bail out of Air New Zealand? The BNZ ???

You do know that people taxpayers pay more to the Government than corporate taxpayers?

How about the tax relief offered to the film industry?

Government wage subsidies? ie "your business is not profitable enough to pay wages so we will offer you charity so you can survive economically" ... whatever happened to the free market? If your business is not profitable, how come it is allowed to survive?

[Ocean1]

Go here .. three years ago

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4859373/A-history-of-bailouts

How about he bail out of Air New Zealand? The BNZ ???

Not sure they qualify as handouts. Some I don't like, but some were purely pragmatic decisions avoiding heavier losses.


You do know that people taxpayers pay more to the Government than corporate taxpayers?

Of course they do, they earn a fucking sight more than businesses.

And if they paid the same rate that businesses do they’d be paying a fucking sight more still.


How about the tax relief offered to the film industry?

How much tax do we get from films made in Australia?


Government wage subsidies? ie "your business is not profitable enough to pay wages so we will offer you charity so you can survive economically" ... whatever happened to the free market? If your business is not profitable, how come it is allowed to survive?

Yeah, that’s not a thinly disguised unemployment benefit at all. Calling it a business handout is laughable, the vast majority of businesses that have ever made use of such subsidies damned soon gave them up, they couldn’t afford them.

And as I said, business would survive just fine in a free market without state “regulation”. The state would have a fucking sight less lollies to buy votes with, though, wouldn’t they?

[Banditbandit]

Not sure they qualify as handouts. Some I don't like, but some were purely pragmatic decisions avoiding heavier losses.



Of course they do, they earn a fucking sight more than businesses.

And if they paid the same rate that businesses do they’d be paying a fucking sight more still.



How much tax do we get from films made in Australia?



Yeah, that’s not a thinly disguised unemployment benefit at all. Calling it a business handout is laughable, the vast majority of businesses that have ever made use of such subsidies damned soon gave them up, they couldn’t afford them.

And as I said, business would survive just fine in a free market without state “regulation”. The state would have a fucking sight less lollies to buy votes with, though, wouldn’t they?


:killingme :laugh: :clap: :killingme

That's so funny ...

Only the last part - if businesses paid less tax there would be some less lollies - but as taxpayers pay a huge amount there would still be lollies for DonKey and his mates ...