Election date: 20 September

[Stylo]

Here we go .... Election date confirmed

Labour, Greens, ACT, National ...?

[SMOKEU]

Get rid of the Jew and put Winston Peters in charge.

[caseye]

Yer a bloody useless troll there smokey.
If we do anything but put National back in with a clear majority we're asking to go back to the dark ages.
There is no effective opposition in any of the other parties.
You could not even cobble together a good mob from all of them.
At least we know the devil National and our recovery is definitely happening.
I don't love John Key or many of the Nat MP's but they are actually pulling our collective arses out of the fire and giving us a decent go at getting into the black for the first time since the last time they were in Power.

[Laava]

I still think John Key is the better option. That is not meant to mean that I think he or his party are the shizzle. But FFS look at what the competition comprises of.
Also, unlike some people, I do not view the PM as the "leader" of NZ. He is there to represent us, not dictate.
Or I could not vote? that'll show 'em!

Bring on the anger!

[Katman]

He is there to represent us, not dictate.


You should probably tell John Key that.

[Laava]

You should probably tell John Key that.

Surely you can be angrier than that!

[Katman]

Surely you can be angrier than that!

Sorry.

You should probably tell John Fucking Key that.

[SMOKEU]

Yer a bloody useless troll there smokey.


I'm not trying to troll.

[blue rider]

I never made a secret of my dislike of Dear Leader, aka the Prime Minister of NZ.

i don't like him and i fail to see what he has done for NZ that has truly benefited every single person in this Country.

Business?
Economy in general?
Education?
Healthcare?
Infrastructure? - other than the cycleway of national importance
Privacy rights?
Social Welfare" - yes this will include single mothers and fathers, unemployed people and the elderly and/or infirm.


What about his idea of going into a coalition with Conservatives? What about Act?


How about some more rounds of selling States Asset? Deep See Mining?

Jobs you say? These Jobs ...http://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/working-in-nz/great-job-opportunities/oil-gas-jobs
Where are the Jobs?


Kim Dotcom?

CHCH?

GCSB


Please show me the good the man has done.

[AllanB]

You lot crack me up - do you not have TV's? Maybe see how the rest of the world has been doing for the past 4 years ...... F U C K E D we are only screwed :woohoo:

[oldrider]

Even if John Key were able to give us Utopia ... how many of us would actually recognise it, let alone appreciate it!

Even if Utopia was achieved, how long before outside forces would try to take it away from us?

The known history of mankind clearly tells us ... not very long ... and on top of that, we are naturally a thankless fucking lot!

The same goes for any other political wannabe ... we get more than the government that we deserve IMOP. :yes:

[Oakie]

Please show me the good the man has done.

You could start by comparing where the NZ economy is at compared to the Aussie one. We survived the recession and are on the way up. They survived the recession but are now in a world of financial shit which is only going to get much worse.

[SMOKEU]

Even if Utopia was achieved, how long before outside forces would try to take it away from us?



It's inside forces that are trying to destroy us from within, like Jews. I'm sure Akzle will agree.

[oldrider]

You could start by comparing where the NZ economy is at compared to the Aussie one. We survived the recession and are on the way up. They survived the recession but are now in a world of financial shit which is only going to get much worse.

And he did say that he would try to do that when he first came into the job! :shifty:

It's probably not easy to achieve with his right wing flying forward while his left wing flies backwards! :rolleyes:

[mashman]

You could start by comparing where the NZ economy is at compared to the Aussie one. We survived the recession and are on the way up. They survived the recession but are now in a world of financial shit which is only going to get much worse.

Don't you think the NZ economy would have been the same irrespective of who was at the helm? Coz the govt just spends money dunnit?

[oldrider]

It's inside forces that are trying to destroy us from within, like Jews. I'm sure Akzle will agree.

Clearly the majority are OK, it's just their (1%) supreme leaders that are problematic! :shifty:

Unfortunately (Just like everyone else in the world) the rest are expendable as required for the ultimate goals of the 1%! :facepalm:

[Oakie]

Don't you think the NZ economy would have been the same irrespective of who was at the helm? Coz the govt just spends money dunnit?

Well no. The government spends money running itself but they also set (as far as possible) the economic parameters in which the country will operate ... think Minimum Adult Wage, 90 Day Trial Period, interest rate expectations, borrowing etc. Apart from that:

-National, 'right ring', we'll do economic stuff and that'll guarantee a reasonable outcome although some people will hurt
-Labour, 'left wing', we'll put the bulk of our efforts into protecting 'the little people' from the fallout and business can look after itself

It comes down to what I thought right at the start, National would be the fence at the top of the cliff and Labour would be the ambulance at the bottom. Actually perhaps ambulance isn't quite right. Perhaps a great big pile of matresses.

I think the outcome and our prospects for a timely recovery would have been very different had Labour/Greens been in power for the last 5.5 years.

[bogan]

Well no. The government spends money running itself but they also set (as far as possible) the economic parameters in which the country will operate ... think Minimum Adult Wage, 90 Day Trial Period, interest rate expectations, borrowing etc. Apart from that:

-National, 'right ring', we'll do economic stuff and that'll guarantee a reasonable outcome although some people will hurt
-Labour, 'left wing', we'll put the bulk of our efforts into protecting 'the little people' from the fallout and business can look after itself

It comes down to what I thought right at the start, National would be the fence at the top of the cliff and Labour would be the ambulance at the bottom. Actually perhaps ambulance isn't quite right. Perhaps a great big pile of matresses.

I think the outcome and our prospects for a timely recovery would have been very different had Labour/Greens been in power for the last 5.5 years.

Sounds like a pretty good summary there Oakie. Now the question is, have we recovered enough to put anyone else but National in power? At best I think it's a maybe, but taking into account those we have to chose from; as much as I think he is smarmy shit-eater, John Key will likely get my vote.

[Banditbandit]

-National, 'right ring', we'll do economic stuff and that'll guarantee a reasonable outcome although some people will hurt
-Labour, 'left wing', we'll put the bulk of our efforts into protecting 'the little people' from the fallout and business can look after itself




:killingme :laugh: :clap: :killingme

That is so simplistic it is laughable

Who started Godzone down the Free Market path ?? Labour ... Who asked for the free Market path ? Business .. the Free Market path says open up the markets and business will take care of itself ... so letting business take care to itself is a bad thing?

You do know that under the previous Labour Government the World Bank regarded Godzone as one of the easiest place I the world to do business? (It currently ranks us third)

Doing "economic stuff" is messing in the Free Market .. and you think that National doing that is a good thing?

And you think that a party who would hurt people in the name of the economy is one worth voting for, while one that protects people from the worst impacts of the capitalists system is one that should not be voted for?

Do you really value the made up creation called The Economy over human beings? I don't believe that such sociopathic behaviour justifies having the vote.

[The Reibz]

NZ First.
Contrary to popular belief, New Zealand actually has more than 2 political parties you can vote for.
Would never vote greens because im pro oil and gas. Quite a few of the boys are cracking $3000 a week pay checks as engineers on rigs, whats not to like about that? Could buy a new bike every month on those wages.

[Banditbandit]

That's danger money ...

How many people remember that 11 workers were killed when Deepwater Horizon's drilling rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico ??? Everyone focused on the environmental damage - but 11 workers died in that blast ...

I'd want a huge amount of money to work in such a risky place too

[bogan]

And you think that a party who would hurt people in the name of the economy is one worth voting for, while one that protects people from the worst impacts of the capitalists system is one that should not be voted for?

Do you really value the made up creation called The Economy over human beings? I don't believe that such sociopathic behaviour justifies having the vote.

Now who is being laughably simplistic?

A good economy is essential for a good standard of living.

[Banditbandit]

Now who is being laughably simplistic?

A good economy is essential for a good standard of living.

Yes, I agree with you. No issues there.

The issue is: For who ??? If some people are hurt to protect "the economy" then it is someone's high standard of living at the expense of their fellow New Zealanders. So some person living on Paretai Drive gets a high standard of living at the expense of people living across the valley on Kotemaori Street?

Are you saying such inequities are a good thing?

Sociopathy is "defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behaviour, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behaviour." That certainly sounds like a person who would argue for the value of the economy over the value of human beings.

[mashman]

Well no. The government spends money running itself but they also set (as far as possible) the economic parameters in which the country will operate ... think Minimum Adult Wage, 90 Day Trial Period, interest rate expectations, borrowing etc. Apart from that:

-National, 'right ring', we'll do economic stuff and that'll guarantee a reasonable outcome although some people will hurt
-Labour, 'left wing', we'll put the bulk of our efforts into protecting 'the little people' from the fallout and business can look after itself

It comes down to what I thought right at the start, National would be the fence at the top of the cliff and Labour would be the ambulance at the bottom. Actually perhaps ambulance isn't quite right. Perhaps a great big pile of matresses.

I think the outcome and our prospects for a timely recovery would have been very different had Labour/Greens been in power for the last 5.5 years.

The thing is, from what I've seen govts are always seeking "advice" in matters legal and financial and shift the govt budget around to fund the legislation/meet targets. So I find it hard to believe that NZ would have been any better or worse off under a lab/green govt... and whilst your post makes a hell of a lot of sense, by way of doctrine, it highlights a huge problem in the way the country is "managed". Prevention i.e. the fence (electrified and covered with face recognition cameras and frikken lasers), obviously doesn't work as there wouldn't be the need for mattresses.

[bogan]

Yes, I agree with you. No issues there.

The issue is: For who ??? If some people are hurt to protect "the economy" then it is someone's high standard of living at the expense of their fellow New Zealanders. So some person living on Paretai Drive gets a high standard of living at the expense of people living across the valley on Kotemaori Street?

Are you saying such inequities are a good thing?

Sociopathy is "defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behaviour, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behaviour." That certainly sounds like a person who would argue for the value of the economy over the value of human beings.

If we're talking not raising handouts as 'hurting people' then I got no problem with that. A healthy economy has lots of opportunities for those who wish to increase their own standard of living, to do so through hard work. The fat cats are going to be fat no matter who is in power, I don't like that either.

You bullshit about sociopathy is only applicable when you assume the worst about other people. Most of us who want National in power again want it so to help the people of NZ; the value of the economy is the value of our people, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Banditbandit]

You bullshit about sociopathy is only applicable when you assume the worst about other people. Most of us who want National in power again want it so to help the people of NZ; the value of the economy is the value of our people, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

I probably agree - which is why I'm not against a healthy economy, and neither are the Labour or Greens.

't'was Oakie who made the choice between people or the economy. And it was to him I was responding - as in this one -




-National, 'right ring', we'll do economic stuff and that'll guarantee a reasonable outcome although some people will hurt
-Labour, 'left wing', we'll put the bulk of our efforts into protecting 'the little people' from the fallout and business can look after itself



Holding that position and supporting the right wing certainly looks like sociopathy to me - and clearly the accusation is not aimed at people such as yourself.

[Oakie]

:killingme :laugh: :clap: :killingme That is so simplistic it is laughable

Well it is KB




Doing "economic stuff" is messing in the Free Market .. and you think that National doing that is a good thing?

Clearly I do think what they are doing is a good thing. You say 'messing', I say 'putting good regulation around it'.


And you think that a party who would hurt people in the name of the economy is one worth voting for, while one that protects people from the worst impacts of the capitalists system is one that should not be voted for?

Not 'hurt people' as such, but recognise that people regretfully will be hurt while we fix this mess. No goverment goes out to hurt it's people but a pragmatic one will recognise that steps for the long term good may nevertheless hurt some people now. In my view the difference between National and Labour is that Labour may stop short of taking pragmatic, and in the long term, beneficial action because some people will be hurt in the process.[/QUOTE]


Do you really value the made up creation called The Economy over human beings? I don't believe that such sociopathic behaviour justifies having the vote.

I don't value the economy over human beings. The two go hand in hand and it's about balancing the two out. The economy is what enables humans to exchange their labour for a standard of living. And oftentimes, yes, the human side will rightly be given priority over the economy because the economy is just a tool of humans. On this occasion though (Global Recession), it was the economy that had to be fixed and that had implications on humans.

And no, I'm not a sociopath. My job is all about humans and their welfare (HR Manager). Looking after people is what I do. It's just that I'm a pragmatic person and working in a not-for-profit has made it very clear to me that you can't allow some people's pain to prevent you from taking action that needs to be taken for long-term sustainability.

[swbarnett]

A healthy economy has lots of opportunities for those who wish to increase their own standard of living, to do so through hard work.
In other words, those that are poor in a healthy economy have only themselves to blame? How can that be when the minimum wage isn't even enough to live on? Someone has to take out the trash.

If we value the support workers at the bottom of the economic heap then we damn well better pay them enough to live on.

This is probably the single biggest reason I want that bastard Key the hell out of power.

[bogan]

In other words, those that are poor in a healthy economy have only themselves to blame? How can that be when the minimum wage isn't even enough to live on? Someone has to take out the trash.

If we value the support workers at the bottom of the economic heap then we damn well better pay them enough to live on.

This is probably the single biggest reason I want that bastard Key the hell out of power.

That's an erroneous interpretation of what I said, lots of opportunities doesn't mean opportunities for every single person, but it does mean more than if the economy was in the shitter.

As someone who has voluntarily (to aid business startup) been on less than minimum wage for 12 months and living quite comfortably (which has been a raise compared to my student days), I have to point out that you're full of shit. It's not enough to support a family or household, but it is enough to live on.

[Voltaire]

So vote for Govt and then sit back and wait for things to improve? Sounds easy.Much better than the get off your arse method my old man made me do.:innocent:

[Oakie]

If we value the support workers at the bottom of the economic heap then we damn well better pay them enough to live on. This is probably the single biggest reason I want that bastard Key the hell out of power.

Broad statement and do you think he is personally responsible? It's not like support worker wages have gone down in the last 5.5 years. Where I work the average support worker can earn $55,000 basic for a four day week with about 35 hours hands-on. Sleepover payments has pushed it up from about $45000 previously but I would have thought even that wasn't too horrendous? (Sorry ... not meaning to divert the thread but needed to comment on that one).

[Oakie]

So vote for Govt and then sit back and wait for things to improve? Sounds easy.Much better than the get off your arse method my old man made me do.:innocent:


Part right. Things will improve (are improving) but you still have to get off your arse and take advantage of the environment/opportunities.

[Akzle]

it really matters!

Really it does!

I have to agree with smokey. Get rid of teh jews. All of em.



... And replace em with snackbarist camel jockeys!

[Oakie]

it really matters!

Really it does!

I have to agree with smokey. Get rid of teh jews. All of em.

... And replace em with snackbarist camel jockeys!

Nooooo, don't distract us. We were having a pretty good debate there and no one had even called anyone a Nazi or a lady's front bottom yet.

[swbarnett]

That's an erroneous interpretation of what I said
I'm glad to hear it. I thought it may not be what you meant; hence the question mark.


, lots of opportunities doesn't mean opportunities for every single person, but it does mean more than if the economy was in the shitter.
No argument here.


As someone who has voluntarily (to aid business startup) been on less than minimum wage for 12 months and living quite comfortably (which has been a raise compared to my student days), I have to point out that you're full of shit. It's not enough to support a family or household, but it is enough to live on.
Thank you for proving my point. I agree that a single person may be able to live on it. It all depends on how many kids you have doesn't it? Otherwise why all the cries for a "living" wage?

[bogan]

Thank you for proving my point. I agree that a single person may be able to live on it. It all depends on how many kids you have doesn't it? Otherwise why all the cries for a "living" wage?

Financial security should be a precursor to having kids, not the other way around.

[swbarnett]

Broad statement and do you think he is personally responsible?
I don't think he's personally responsible but his attitude sucks for someone who is supposed to set the direction of the country. It will hardly lead us to a caring society.


It's not like support worker wages have gone down in the last 5.5 years. Where I work the average support worker can earn $55,000 basic for a four day week with about 35 hours hands-on. Sleepover payments has pushed it up from about $45000 previously but I would have thought even that wasn't too horrendous?
No, not all support workers are on minimum wage. Are you saying there are none?

[Oakie]

Thank you for proving my point. I agree that a single person may be able to live on it. It all depends on how many kids you have doesn't it? Otherwise why all the cries for a "living" wage?

But when you have kids you get 'Working for Families' support too so someone supporting kids on what is shortly to be $14.25 an hour actually has more disposable income than just the $14.25 would indicate. They get up to four different tax credits, accommodation supplements and assistance with childcare costs. Would be interesting for someone to work up the figures and see if it all equates to the so called 'Living Wage'.

[Oakie]

No, not all support workers are on minimum wage. Are you saying there are none?

No. Just pointing out that you can't throw a blanket over all support workers and say they are all 'at the bottom of the economic heap' as you did. Christ ... most of ours earn more than their managers do! I think the Aged Care sector is the worst though. Disability workers seem to be a bit better off than aged care with probably quite a significant percentage of aged care support workers on low or minimum wage. The lowest hourly rate at our place is $15.85 and that is for someone who has never done the work before. They find their way up to our top step of $17.65 before too long if they measure up.

For what it's worth, at our not-for-profit, 74% of the funding we get goes straight out in staff wages. Getting off topic though

[swbarnett]

But when you have kids you get 'Working for Families' support too so someone supporting kids on what is shortly to be $14.25 an hour actually has more disposable income than just the $14.25 would indicate. They get up to four different tax credits, accommodation supplements and assistance with childcare costs.
Interesting. Obviously I have no personal experience of the minimum wage.


Would be interesting for someone to work up the figures and see if it all equates to the so called 'Living Wage'.
Indeed it would. Rather than relying on what's reported in the media.


No. Just pointing out that you can't throw a blanket over all support workers and say they are all 'at the bottom of the economic heap' as you did.
I didn't mean to say that all support workers are at the bottom of the ecomonic heap. Perhaps the use of the term "support worker" was a bit off the mark. I was really referring to those on minimum wage.

[Scuba_Steve]

But when you have kids you get 'Working for Families' support too so someone supporting kids on what is shortly to be $14.25 an hour actually has more disposable income than just the $14.25 would indicate. They get up to four different tax credits, accommodation supplements and assistance with childcare costs. Would be interesting for someone to work up the figures and see if it all equates to the so called 'Living Wage'.

My Sister-in-law worked out some figures, I believe she worked out w/ 2 kids & both parents working you have to have a household income breaching $110,000/yr to break even with a family with 1 parent working bringing in the "average income" & subsidies.
Most of the cost was childcare if I remember rightly

[Oakie]

My Sister-in-law worked out some figures, I believe she worked out w/ 2 kids & both parents working you have to have a household income breaching $110,000/yr to break even with a family with 1 parent working bringing in the "average income" & subsidies.
Most of the cost was childcare if I remember rightly

Wow. Interesting.

[mashman]

My Sister-in-law worked out some figures, I believe she worked out w/ 2 kids & both parents working you have to have a household income breaching $110,000/yr to break even with a family with 1 parent working bringing in the "average income" & subsidies.
Most of the cost was childcare if I remember rightly

Yup... 8 weeks holidays between yaz and schools not being in for many more weeks than that. So not only don't you get time off together as a family (unless you can afford to take unpaid leave), some other fucker gets paid to look after them when you have no holidays... and it ain't cheap.

[Akzle]

Yup... 8 weeks holidays between yaz and schools not being in for many more weeks than that. So not only don't you get time off together as a family (unless you can afford to take unpaid leave), some other fucker gets paid to look after them when you have no holidays... and it ain't cheap.

but that makes for such a productive, profitable society.

Gotta balance the fuken books man!
The economy is important. :yes::yes:

[mashman]

but that makes for such a productive, profitable society.

Gotta balance the fuken books man!
The economy is important. :yes::yes:

I know I know, I should just accept that things are the way they are because they can't be otherwise despite knowing otherwise. I may as well vote national this year and settle in to a life of ignoring my kids in order to work for 18 hours a day to provide for my future.

WOOO involuntary shudder.

[SPman]

I don't love John Key or many of the Nat MP's but they are actually pulling our collective arses out of the fire and giving us a decent go at getting into the black for the first time since the last time they were in Power.
If you believe that, you obviously haven't been paying any attention the last few years and take TV1 news and the Harold as gospel fact! :facepalm:

Go back and study NZ politics for the last 70 yrs - this "do nothing" government is one of the worst to have ever had the misfortune to rule NZ - and that's saying something, because there have been some beauts over the years!

A policy of selling milk powder to China is not going to save the country long, medium or short term, unless you're living in cloud cuckoo land - oh yes, of course, you support this government - you are living in la la land!

[Ocean1]

- oh yes, of course, you support this government - you are living in la la land!

And considering it's the most popular government we've had for decades it's obvious that a comfortable majority are in there with him.

Or...

Do you suppose it's worth a quick peek out of the window to check which side of the Lala/NZ border you're on?

[Oakie]

And considering it's the most popular government we've had for decades it's obvious that a comfortable majority are in there with him.

Or...

Do you suppose it's worth a quick peek out of the window to check which side of the Lala/NZ border you're on?

According to his stated location he's in W.A. which I'm not picking as West Auckland... more likely the west coast of the West Island.

[SPman]

And considering it's the most popular government we've had for decades it's obvious that a comfortable majority are in there with him.

Yes, although that's not surprising. Amongst my friends, aquaintances and relations, only my two brothers support the current Government - but then, they have the IQ of a shoaling Mackerel and tend to believe anything that they hear from a perceived authority - after all, the government never lies and the papers print the truth so all is well in the state of Denmark!

Yes, I currently reside in W.A., but I also frequent NZ enough to be eligible to vote.

[Ocean1]

Yes, although that's not surprising. Amongst my friends, aquaintances and relations, only my two brothers support the current Government - but then, they have the IQ of a shoaling Mackerel and tend to believe anything that they hear from a perceived authority - after all, the government never lies and the papers print the truth so all is well in the state of Denmark!

Yes, I currently reside in W.A., but I also frequent NZ enough to be eligible to vote.

Face it, dude, a horrible experimental lurch to the left driven by the kind of selfish arseholes who's vote is for sale to the highest bidder has finally and literally run out of gas. For now, the majority recognises that all Labour's got is different ways to spend other people's money, and they're sick of it.

You don't agree. And yet the majority is so large and has been for so long and shows so little sign of failing that all you've got is the evel right wing media has befuddled their simple heads. And that, sir, makes you not only wrong but arrogant and wilfully self deluded.

[Scuba_Steve]

Face it, dude, a horrible experimental lurch to the left driven by the kind of selfish arseholes who's vote is for sale to the highest bidder has finally and literally run out of gas. For now, the majority recognises that all Labour's got is different ways to spend other people's money, and they're sick of it.

So all we've done is, a horrible experimental lurch to the right driven by the kind of selfish arseholes who's vote is for sale to the highest bidder is slowly and literally running out of gas. For now, the majority recognises that all National's got is different ways to spend other people's money, and they're getting sick of it.

hmm, Same shit different colour, who would have thought ay!

[Ocean1]

So all we've done is, a horrible experimental lurch to the right driven by the kind of selfish arseholes who's vote is for sale to the highest bidder is slowly and literally running out of gas. For now, the majority recognises that all National's got is different ways to spend other people's money, and they're getting sick of it.

hmm, Same shit different colour, who would have thought ay!

Small differences matter. National are slightly more likely to spend other people's money where it's slightly more likely to produce value. Whereas the left don't really worry about how money is made, and they're slightly more likely to spend it at a total loss.

Now, if there was an option that suggested an alternative to taking a majority of income from your average kiwi and then having to give some of it back so they can afford to live I'd be all ears.

[Scuba_Steve]

Small differences matter. National are slightly more likely to spend other people's money where it's slightly more likely to produce value. Whereas the left don't really worry about how money is made, and they're slightly more likely to spend it at a total loss.

Now, if there was an option that suggested an alternative to taking a majority of income from your average kiwi and then having to give some of it back so they can afford to live I'd be all ears.

To be honest, think I'd rather have the "total loss" then "produce value" given that "value" is for China & the US.
But ideally I'd have neither the Bloodz nor the Crips running this country

[Ocean1]

To be honest, think I'd rather have the "total loss" then "produce value" given that "value" is for China & the US.
But ideally I'd have neither the Bloodz nor the Crips running this country

Balance of trade with the US is roughly neutral. As with China.

I have no idea what the reference to old US gangs might be related to.

[Scuba_Steve]

Balance of trade with the US is roughly neutral. As with China.

I have no idea what the reference to old US gangs might be related to.

I'll explain with pictures

http://airoftorris.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/b_c-flag.jpg
http://www.woburn.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/National-and-Labour.png

[oldrider]

Yeah National and Labour are about as different as Hitler and Stalin only the latter pair weren't so sneaky! :shifty:

[u4ea]

NZ First.
Contrary to popular belief, New Zealand actually has more than 2 political parties you can vote for.
Would never vote greens because im pro oil and gas. Quite a few of the boys are cracking $3000 a week pay checks as engineers on rigs, whats not to like about that? Could buy a new bike every month on those wages.

Absolutly! I love oil and gas:woohoo:..It gets me to work in shitty weather, it gets food in the supermarket, it puts pakaging on our food, ........... oo ..........and It makes my bike go:lol:...go figure..the Greens would double the price of everything to save the planet..carbon tax.........fark.........wow NZ Greens carve such a massive hole in the worlds environment!!!!!!NOT:wacko:

[Akzle]

Now, if there was an option that suggested an alternative to taking a majority of income from your average kiwi and then having to give some of it back so they can afford to live I'd be all ears.

just ask mashy :laugh:

[Akzle]

And considering it's the most popular government we've had for decades it's obvious that a comfortable majority are in there with him.

Or...


OR
>44% of people dont give a fuck and leave voting to old gits who think it matters.

[Akzle]

"the
apathy doesn't come from us,
the people … the apathy comes from politicians.
They're only interested in
serving corporations."

[Laava]

"the
apathy doesn't come from us,
the people … the apathy comes from politicians.
They're only interested in
serving corporations."

This is true, but if you moan about and then do nothing about changing the status quo, does that not make you apathetic as well?

[Ocean1]

just ask mashy :laugh:

He's all about denying yer average kiwi any income whatsoever and then giving it all back to...

Let's just not bother, eh?

[Akzle]

This is true, but if you moan about and then do nothing about changing the status quo, does that not make you apathetic as well?

looks like im telepathetic too. I totally saw that coming!

How would you advise i change the status quo?

[Ocean1]

OR
>44% of people dont give a fuck and leave voting to old gits who think it matters.

Which is fine, it demonstrates that they've got no problems with any likely outcome.

That, or they're complete fuckwits.

[Laava]

looks like im telepathetic too. I totally saw that coming!

How would you advise i change the status quo?

Not my problem as I am not you and have no idea what you would expect. I would have thought with all your bagging of the incumbent system that you would have given it a LOT of thought. So lets hear it? You might be surprised at the level of support you get if you have a workable system?

[Akzle]

Which is fine, it demonstrates that they've got no problems with any likely outcome.

That, or they're complete fuckwits.
im picking that once most of you are dead or in a home crapping yourselves,
the likely outcome will be a collapse of the structure.
Hoping, at least.
A'ter all, its not representative if theres lessn' 50% turnout, innit.
Maybe i should enrol, to add one more non-consenting non-voter to be counted.
One of my problems with your thinking is that you think to apply political/ economic 'solutions' to political/ economic problems.
There is no profit in the cure.

Also, i disagree with much of the shit you value/ promote.

Not my problem as I am not you and have no idea what you would expect. I would have thought with all your bagging of the incumbent system that you would have given it a LOT of thought. So lets hear it? You might be surprised at the level of support you get if you have a workable system?

ive got a workable system. Homebrew, cannabis, caravan, hookers. Ignore the government. Kill fish, shoot shit. Job done.

I do not see it as my responsibility to change shit. Change must come from the collective, and tbh, i dont give a fuck about everyone else.
Personal like i reckn every bastard should deregister they bike and ride without plates and ignore cops, as a start.
But then you get boo-hoo-grubby cunts who will cluck their tongue at you for 'not pulling your weight and making it more expensive for 'everyone else' (them dumb enough to pay)'

[Laava]

ive got a workable system. Homebrew, cannabis, caravan, hookers. Ignore the government. Kill fish, shoot shit. Job done.

i dont give a fuck about everyone else.)'

So you've got nothing? Have you even given it any serious thought? You crap on endlessly about what a rort the whole system is and yet you are fully bludging of the very system you despise.
For some reason you think this country would be sweet as with no government at all. To be realistic, we both know that is not going to happen. You are living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise. But you summed it up when you say you dont give a fuck about anyone else.

[mashman]

just ask mashy :laugh:

heh... I'm not up to performing miracles yet.

[Akzle]

So you've got nothing? Have you even given it any serious thought? You crap on endlessly about what a rort the whole system is and yet you are fully bludging of the very system you despise.
For some reason you think this country would be sweet as with no government at all. To be realistic, we both know that is not going to happen. You are living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise. But you summed it up when you say you dont give a fuck about anyone else.
au contraire, i have everything.
And not necesarily no governance, no central, certainement, defo LESS, and defo with THE FREEDOM TO NOT PARTICIPATE and not then have the decisions enforced against me.

what do you do for your community, laava?
More, what do you do (for others particularly) without expecting to get cash?

A large part of my problem is people liek you, worrying about what you can GET, reflected in this instance by your moaning about what i get. When the question you old fucks should be asking is 'what can i GIVE' (for free)
when that attitude dies, we'll be on the up.

And, for reference, not being gainfully employed, im keeping inflation down. Fucking bargain if you ask me. Thank me later.
(Your great system does not facilitate 100% employment. Fyi)
But hey, benny bash, cos theyre the ones taking your money. ><!

[Akzle]

Have you even given it any serious thought?

they say a man is free when his time is his own.
I dont know what im supposed to have thought about, as above, i dont believe the answers lie in political or economic adjustments. The system is fucked, all of it.
The change must come from the people (stop me if youve heard it before...)
if people dont really want the change, it wont happen.
If youre happy living your life as you do (i consider it voluntary enslavement), who am i to say you should live in a caravan without power and water, for the good of the planet and for the demise of jews?
All people dont want what i want. When enough do to outweigh the opposition/status quo, change will happen.

Stupid ignorant people, stupid ignorant leaders.

[Ocean1]

im picking that once most of you are dead or in a home crapping yourselves,
the likely outcome will be a collapse of the structure.
Hoping, at least.
A'ter all, its not representative if theres lessn' 50% turnout, innit.

You can get what any collapse here would provide right now. Fuck off to live in any one of hundreds of third world countries.

And of course "it" is representative, of all of those who voted. Those who don't bother literally don't count.


One of my problems with your thinking is that you think to apply political/ economic 'solutions' to political/ economic problems.
There is no profit in the cure.

My thinking is that most of the problems attempted to be "cured" by political/economic means are in fact personal/individual ones, and that it's only the individuals involved that think someone other than themselves should or can fix it. And I really and truly give no fucks whatsoever whether you have any problems with that thinking or not, it remains fact.

There isn't any profit in any of the various functions of government, that's not it's primary function, and it's the productive individuals of society that supply the capital that carries that loss.


Also, i disagree with much of the shit you value/ promote.

You have little idea about what I value, you simply apply what you hear to a stereotype you don't like.



ive got a workable system. Homebrew, cannabis, caravan, hookers. Ignore the government. Kill fish, shoot shit. Job done.

Good to know you won't be sponging off your fellow citizens should you need to pay the hookers.


I do not see it as my responsibility to change shit. Change must come from the collective, and tbh, i dont give a fuck about everyone else.


That's the most internally contradictory assembly of wordz I've encountered since mushmate last blighted the site with his odious presence.

[Akzle]

And of course "it" is representative, of all of those who voted. Those who don't bother literally don't count.
what box is there to tick to vote to send them to the sun?
Voting (consenting to be governed) is too limited in scope, as i reckon none of the people eligible is fit to do any more than be gassed to death in a giant oven. Picking the lesser of two evils? Thats fuken dumb.

You have little idea about what I value, you simply apply what you hear to a stereotype you don't like.
:

It's the productive individuals of society that supply the capital that carries that loss.
that kind of shit. I disagree with it.
Ive no doubt youve some superling ideas on shit, but all this voting and economy shit? It doesnt exist.
And who said i stereotyped, or disliked you? Not once, afaik, have i called you a jew.


That's the most internally contradictory assembly of wordz I've encountered

i dont see the contradiction. I present my viewpoint, youre welcome to take it or leave it.
Im not on a crusade to 'make peoples life better' (by my definition of better, innit.)
people interested in my path will find it, and we'll get a bit better for the experience (our respective definitions of better, innit), people uninterested will continue as you, voting and thinking teh govt will make the changes, for the better (the jews definition, innit)

[Akzle]

You can get what any collapse here would provide right now. Fuck off to live in any one of hundreds of third world countries.


hows fiji going, btw? With that undemocratic governance, (or any non-jew middle eastern nation) they had a good recession, too, innit.
O. Wait on.

[swbarnett]

Which is fine, it demonstrates that they've got no problems with any likely outcome.

That, or they're complete fuckwits.
A lot will be. There are also a number on the other side of the fence - those that have no faith in any of the arrogant fuckwits that claim to be fit for office.

[swbarnett]

its not representative if theres lessn' 50% turnout, innit.
Maybe, maybe not.

If more than 50% of the population don't really care who gets and don't vote then the resultant outcome is indeed a true reflection of the opinion of the populace as a whole.

Anyone that doesn't really care about the outcome but votes anyway is only helping to turn the system into a lottery.

[mashman]

He's all about denying yer average kiwi any income whatsoever and then giving it all back to...

Irony be thy name...

[Ocean1]

what box is there to tick to vote to send them to the sun?
Voting (consenting to be governed) is too limited in scope, as i reckon none of the people eligible is fit to do any more than be gassed to death in a giant oven. Picking the lesser of two evils? Thats fuken dumb.

You want the best of both worlds, either start your own party with an agenda sending successful participants to the sun or stfu, bleating about shit you can't be arsed helping change is symptomatic of losers the world over.


that kind of shit. I disagree with it.
Ive no doubt youve some superling ideas on shit, but all this voting and economy shit? It doesnt exist.

It certainly exists, whether you quantify the value financially or otherwise those who pay more tax are supporting those who pay less. It's not unusual for the recipients of that charity to believe otherwise, I can only put that down to a disinclination to admit they should probably be grateful for the alms or resentment for having their noses rubbed in the fact that they're performing below par.


i dont see the contradiction. I present my viewpoint, youre welcome to take it or leave it.
Im not on a crusade to 'make peoples life better' (by my definition of better, innit.)
people interested in my path will find it, and we'll get a bit better for the experience (our respective definitions of better, innit), people uninterested will continue as you, voting and thinking teh govt will make the changes, for the better (the jews definition, innit)

You're perfectly free to not give a shit about whatever society does, you're legally free to benefit from their actions, but bitching about society while taking advantage of it's provisions is not only contradictory but hypocritical.

[Brian d marge]

Said it once ,say it again ,

they will play the poverty gap and how we can lift NZ economy

meanwhile , BOTH parties will sign the TPP

Not heard one party that said , "we will not sign."

( why not sign? apart from the fact is will give large overseas entities power , try jail breaking your iphone ! etc)


Vote for the party that does the least damage

forget about the rhetoric , must pay off our debt etc , thats all smoke and mirrors

If you want to protest , not voting is worst , at least protest vote for , Kim dotcom or the green party or hueflungdung party


Stephen

[Akzle]

start your own party with an agenda sending successful participants to the sun or stfu,
how does that line up with my "whole system is fucked" and "i dont give a fuck about anyone else" thing? Kinda contrariwise methinks.


bleating about shit you can't be arsed helping change is symptomatic of losers the world over.
i bleat not.
Helping you say? Is that anything like Voting?
Or just consuming more so that more money goes round and the jews get their cut?
Youre sounding a bit like a jew yourself, dont go and ruin a good first impression...


those who pay more tax are supporting those who pay less.
this is more of that shit you believe that i disagree with.
A payment is voluntary, f'ra start.


It's not unusual for the recipients of that charity to believe otherwise, I can only put that down to a disinclination to admit they should probably be grateful for the alms or resentment for having their noses rubbed in the fact that they're performing below par.

but bitching about society while taking advantage of it's provisions is not only contradictory but hypocritical.

thats not what you said before. That just reads like your prejudice and stereotyping, value judgements.

And frankly a bit childish.
Once, horse. Once.

[swbarnett]

If you want to protest , not voting is worst , at least protest vote for , Kim dotcom or the green party or hueflungdung party
Why should I vote for a party I have no confidence in? What we really need is another option on the ballet paper - "No Confidence".

[Akzle]

If you want to protest , not voting is worst , at least protest vote for , Kim dotcom or the green party or hueflungdung party


Stephen

1) i dont consent to governance. Whoever it is.
2) lm a legal non-entity/ not a legal entity/ legally not a voter, or someshit. The abscense of my vote isnt statistically relevant.

[Brian d marge]

Why should I vote for a party I have no confidence in? What we really need is another option on the ballet paper - "No Confidence".

it takes the vote away from the top two

often you stand for election knowing you will lose as it takes votes away from the main rival and allows a second party to gain the upper hand.

In a strong , national area you would stand as a green for example , target national supporters and allow the labour candidate to have free run . sacrificing your self but letting the lesser of two evils ( labour) win

By not voting the biggest fkwit wins and everyone suffers

Stephen

[oldrider]

Why should I vote for a party I have no confidence in? What we really need is another option on the ballet paper - "No Confidence".

Even at least: "None of the above" tick box (for both voting options) would do it for me!

But what consequence will be attached to the outcome? ... The only thing the "rest" agree with is that they don't like any of the others! :rolleyes:

[Brian d marge]

1) i dont consent to governance. Whoever it is.
2) lm a legal non-entity/ not a legal entity/ legally not a voter, or someshit. The abscense of my vote isnt statistically relevant.

ghost who walks

Stephen

Dont worry , not until the Gini hits 0.6 and the supermaket is to expensive will one have to worry

Samik sage recurve #40lb broadheads and months of training , thats my plan

[Ocean1]

hows fiji going, btw? With that undemocratic governance, (or any non-jew middle eastern nation) they had a good recession, too, innit.
O. Wait on.

Not very well. Difficult to avoid the conclusion they'd be doing better if Rambuka hadn't said "fuck you, we're doing it my way whatever you want", innit?

[Ocean1]

how does that line up with my "whole system is fucked" and "i dont give a fuck about anyone else" thing? Kinda contrariwise methinks.

That'd be a vote for stfu then.



i bleat not.
Helping you say? Is that anything like Voting?
Or just consuming more so that more money goes round and the jews get their cut?
Youre sounding a bit like a jew yourself, dont go and ruin a good first impression...


CBF checking but a bunch of shit about arseholes not doing shit you could approve of sounded tolerably similar to a bleat.

'Scuse me if not.

As for any money going around, it's good, as long as the dude who owns the money is the one circulating it. In which case it'd be fuck all of anyone else's business, eh? If not it'd be a job for 'Er majesties finest, wouldn't it?


this is more of that shit you believe that i disagree with.
A payment is voluntary, f'ra start.

In what way are those paying fuck all tax not being subsidised by those who do?

And let's in on this voluntary tax shit, how does that work, eh?


thats not what you said before. That just reads like your prejudice and stereotyping, value judgements.

I tend not to repeat myself. And yes I generalised, there are those who don't fit that general picture. The observation remains valid, if you don't think so feel free to point out the deliberate mistake.

[swbarnett]

Even at least: "None of the above" tick box (for both voting options) would do it for me!

But what consequence will be attached to the outcome?
If "No Confidence" has more than 50% of the vote then a new election would be held, preceded by more campaining, until the "No Confidence" vote fell below 50%.

This way parties would be forced to change tack, within their core principles, to fit the view of the voting public.

[bogan]

If "No Confidence" has more than 50% of the vote then a new election would be held, preceded by more campaining, until the "No Confidence" vote fell below 50%.

This way parties would be forced to change tack, within their core principles, to fit the view of the voting public.

Not a bad thought, but perhaps another option 'fuck off' would be a goer, to get rid of all the cunts who would just change tack right back once they got in power.

[swbarnett]

it takes the vote away from the top two

often you stand for election knowing you will lose as it takes votes away from the main rival and allows a second party to gain the upper hand.

In a strong , national area you would stand as a green for example , target national supporters and allow the labour candidate to have free run . sacrificing your self but letting the lesser of two evils ( labour) win

By not voting the biggest fkwit wins and everyone suffers

Stephen
I think I see what you're getting at. As long as the lesser party you voted for gets more than 5% of the vote they'll get a seat and make it harder for the major parties to form a government.

A matter of practicality over principle.

The electrate vote, however, is wasted either way.


The main thing I don't like is people that vote for a party just because their parents did or just stand at the ballot box and roll a dice.

[Akzle]

Not very well.
by whos standards?


As for any money going around, it's good, as long as the dude who owns the money is the one circulating it.
jews own money. Even if you "earn" it. Thats why theres Ts and Cs on its use. Thats why, infact it doesnt exist and you operate in a world of 'legal tender'




In what way are those paying fuck all tax not being subsidised by those who do?
ahh. The bigger picture, balancing the books story.
More horseshit, im afraid.

And let's in on this voluntary tax shit, how does that work, eh?
well its quite simple. Dont use money. Tax disappears.


I tend not to repeat myself.
pull the other one.

And yes I generalised, there are those who don't fit that general picture.

[swbarnett]

all the cunts who would just change tack right back once they got in power.
Of course we need to make election promises legally binding.

[Akzle]

people that vote for a party just because their parents did or just stand at the ballot box and roll a dice.

democracy at work!
You share the road with those same morons...

[Ocean1]

by whos standards?

The standards of anyone wanting access to first world amenities. Like medicine.


jews own money. Even if you "earn" it. Thats why theres Ts and Cs on its use. Thats why, infact it doesnt exist and you operate in a world of 'legal tender'

Yeah righto, so next time you want some you remind yourself it's just a figment of your imagination.


ahh. The bigger picture, balancing the books story.
More horseshit, im afraid.

Got fuck all eh?

[Akzle]

twice horse. Twice.

[SPman]

I think, what should happen, is, all the elected MP's should be taken on a boat offshore - ask them one question - _"why do you want to run the country?"
If they say "because I want to feather my own nest", then ship them down to the Auckland Islands and drop them off with a loin cloth and a can of spam with no tin opener!
If they answer "because I want to serve the country", shoot them in the fucking head and drop them over the side, because they're obviously lying!



Cynical?

Moi?

[Laava]

au contraire, i have everything.
And not necesarily no governance, no central, certainement, defo LESS, and defo with THE FREEDOM TO NOT PARTICIPATE and not then have the decisions enforced against me.

(No, you don't have that in NZ. You are bound by the same laws as everyone else)

what do you do for your community, laava?
More, what do you do (for others particularly) without expecting to get cash?

(I do work for old people at a dramatically reduced rate, I am part of a club that makes donations and I contribute the taxes that go towards feeding your children. Ironically, I suspect you will have trouble answering your own question, given that you care about no-one but yourself. I am doing a better job of supporting your children than you are!)

A large part of my problem is people liek you, worrying about what you can GET, reflected in this instance by your moaning about what i get. When the question you old fucks should be asking is 'what can i GIVE' (for free)
when that attitude dies, we'll be on the up.

(I am not moaning about what you can get, believe me, you are on the bones of your arse. You troll here on a motorbike forum with no bike of your own. I don't worry about what I can get, I have an income. So what can you GIVE to the society that you hate?)

And, for reference, not being gainfully employed, im keeping inflation down. Fucking bargain if you ask me. Thank me later.

(I wont ask you. Thank you? For being selfish? )

(Your great system does not facilitate 100% employment. Fyi)
But hey, benny bash, cos theyre the ones taking your money. >

(Well you're more of a leech than a beneficiary. But I am not benny bashing, you are taking it way too hard. Ironic really considering the amount of constant abuse you dish out to all and sundry)

<!

Ppppppppppppppppppppp

[mashman]

I think, what should happen, is, all the elected MP's should be taken on a boat offshore - ask them one question - _"why do you want to run the country?"
If they say "because I want to feather my own nest", then ship them down to the Auckland Islands and drop them off with a loin cloth and a can of spam with no tin opener!
If they answer "because I want to serve the country", shoot them in the fucking head and drop them over the side, because they're obviously lying!



Cynical?

Moi?

WTF... that's no fun. If you want obedient servants, fit them all with shock collars and hook the collars up to an online voting system. Bad results and bzzzzzz. Good results and they'll have successfully gauged the feeling of the population.

[Akzle]

(for old people at a
dramatically reduced rate, I
am part of a club that makes
donations and I contribute
the taxes that go towards
feeding your children. Ironically, I suspect you will
have trouble answering your
own question, given that you
care about no-one but
yourself. I am doing a better
job of supporting your children than you are!)

(So what can
you GIVE to the society that
you hate?)

(Ironic
really considering the amount
of constant abuse you dish out to all and sundry)

1) leave irony to those who better comprehend the meaning.
2) there is no hate.

1) Ahhh. so money is the be all and end all of support is it?
Reduced rate? So, to actually answer the question, you dont do work for free?
And this club, shall we call it 'old cunts on bikes', you are a member of, for all the charitable work it does? Or some more self serving reason?
Your weekly contribution to me is $0.000069. Divided by me and 2 kids... Thanks i guess,
but ive contributed more tax than ive received back, im sure youll find that ironic.

To do you the nicety of actually answering your query, There are four groups who directly receive teh fruits of my work. Monthly if not weekly. For free.
Well,,, you pay me 0.000069 a week, ill make sure they appreciate your contribution.
Ive given away about 5k$ worth of stuff this year. For free. Ive done 70 hours work for various people feb-mar, unbilled (that means for free(more unbilled, but not free)) And ive enlightened kb with my grace, for free.
The scales of irony are tipping against you...

2)fuck society. It doesnt exist. The word i used was community. Y'know, like, 'safer communities together'?
As above.
2b)there is no hate.

3) im not butthurt laava, just askin questions.
Sounds like ya dont GIVE much. But hey, its your money, your time, you have every right not to.

[Akzle]

go check out the moonset. Its been epic today.

[oldrider]

I think, what should happen, is, all the elected MP's should be taken on a boat offshore - ask them one question - _"why do you want to run the country?"
If they say "because I want to feather my own nest", then ship them down to the Auckland Islands and drop them off with a loin cloth and a can of spam with no tin opener!
If they answer "because I want to serve the country", shoot them in the fucking head and drop them over the side, because they're obviously lying!

While that is basically true ... the line will eventually end up at your place (and mine) so you had better make sure they have spelled your name correctly! :shit:

The last dictator to run a ship like that was named "Stalin" and according to Putin he was a nice guy! :mellow:

[Stylo]

hows fiji going, btw? With that undemocratic governance, (or any non-jew middle eastern nation) they had a good recession, too, innit.
O. Wait on.

You're not, by chance Lindsay Perigo in disguise Akzle ?

[Laava]

1) ive contributed more tax than ive received back, im sure youll find that ironic.

To do you the nicety of actually answering your query, There are four groups who directly receive teh fruits of my work. Monthly if not weekly. For free.


A. Would be ironic if it were true
B. community service and PD don't count.

[Akzle]

A. Would be ironic if it were true
B. community service and PD don't count.

im the fucking master of ironing.
Ive never done either of those things.

[Oakie]

So ... latest poll shows National over 50% support and Labour under 30%. Greens at about 13% and seeming to pick up what Labour is shedding. NZ First 3.5%

John Key preferred PM at over 66% with David Cunliffe at 11% and Winnie at 6.5%.

Can Labour make up 20% in 6 months on their own or do they fully embrace the Greens now and present a joint front?

Discuss.

[mashman]

So ... latest poll shows National over 50% support and Labour under 30%. Greens at about 13% and seeming to pick up what Labour is shedding. NZ First 3.5%

John Key preferred PM at over 60% with David Cunliffe at about 10% and Winnie at about 6%.

Can Labour make up 20% in 6 months on their own or do they fully embrace the Greens now and present a joint front?

Discuss.

It won't make any noticeable difference.

End of discussion :D

[Scuba_Steve]

So ... latest poll shows National over 50% support and Labour under 30%. Greens at about 13% and seeming to pick up what Labour is shedding. NZ First 3.5%

John Key preferred PM at over 60% with David Cunliffe at about 10% and Winnie at about 6%.

Can Labour make up 20% in 6 months on their own or do they fully embrace the Greens now and present a joint front?

Discuss.


Meh think I'll vote Mana Party, at-least the racist cunt Hone speaks his mind :lol:

[Oakie]

Meh think I'll vote Mana Party, at-least the racist cunt Hone speaks his mind :lol:

Depends on the condition of the mind I guess.

The Mana vs Maori Party will be an interesting watch.

[Brian d marge]

And this poll was run by a fairfax nedia outlet
Last time i saw a fair poll from fairfax the nationalist social party were odds on favorite
As was hair on the top lip
Stephen

Sent from my SC-01F using Tapatalk

[Oakie]

And this poll was run by a fairfax nedia outlet
Last time i saw a fair poll from fairfax the nationalist social party were odds on favorite
As was hair on the top lip
Stephen

You can console yourself in the fact that the terribly unbiased Labour Party polling shows about the same. Oh, and I don't believe that Colmar Brunton is owned by Fairfax. Fairfax have their own polling organisation.

[oldrider]

Meh think I'll vote Mana Party, at-least the racist cunt Hone speaks his mind :lol:

True he does speak his mind but of course that is why he has so little to talk about! :killingme

[Akzle]

Meh think I'll vote Mana Party, at-least the racist cunt Hone speaks his mind :lol:

blokes liberation front.

[Scuba_Steve]

blokes liberation front.

Do they exist?
Think we need to start the "Anarchy NZ" party, a party that if wins just disappears & leaves NZ to run itself, only to reappear if needed i.e. if some self-rightious dipshit decides to try & self-appoint as leader in the absence of the Anarchy NZ party... Could be fun for a laugh :laugh:

[Akzle]

Do they exist?


http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~maurice/BLF/man96.htm

[Scuba_Steve]

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~maurice/BLF/man96.htm

Awesome :Punk: They have my vote! :woohoo:

[gammaguy]

I'll be back to vote for Helen

She's still around right?

[Brian d marge]

I'll be back to vote for Helen

She's still around right?

Fugly
At least vote for hooters

[Banditbandit]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/s526x395/1524600_264616397039502_423171735_n.png

[Banditbandit]

Fugly
At least vote for hooters

Oh .. is looks now a qualification to be a politician?

[mashman]

Oh .. is looks now a qualification to be a politician?

JK has a nice smile. The people said so.

[Brian d marge]

Oh .. is looks now a qualification to be a politician?

yup

not much else they can do

so might as well vote for "BIG jUGS"

think of the rating , Sharp seven would have suddenly become interesting !

Stephen

[Oscar]

>Silly image deleted to aviod the jack booted mods<

Interesting revision of histroy - since the Great Depression started in 1929 and Mikey Savage came to power in 1935...

[buggerit]

And he did say that he would try to do that when he first came into the job! :shifty:

It's probably not easy to achieve with his right wing flying forward while his left wing flies backwards! :rolleyes:

Well maybe he should stop using the airforce choppers as is private taxi service:oi-grr:

[Banditbandit]

Interesting revision of histroy - since the Great Depression started in 1929 and Mikey Savage came to power in 1935...

Hang about - are you taking that seriously ??? I thought it was amusing .. and SOME truth in .. but as you point out - the right wing crashed to world's economy BEFORE St Michael came in and saved all the working people of this country ..

[Oscar]

Hang about - are you taking that seriously ??? I thought it was amusing .. and SOME truth in .. but as you point out - the right wing crashed to world's economy BEFORE St Michael came in and saved all the working people of this country ..



The Great Depression was pretty much over by 1935, and whereas Savage did introduce the Welfare State he inherited an economy on the mend.
The "economic equality" and "no debt" that were quoted were a result of WW2, or later, the Korean War.

Savage was a typical NZ PM - there was little he could do to insulate the local economy from world affairs.

[Banditbandit]

The Great Depression was pretty much over by 1935, and whereas Savage did introduce the Welfare State he inherited an economy on the mend.
The "economic equality" and "no debt" that were quoted were a result of WW2, or later, the Korean War.

Savage was a typical NZ PM - there was little he could do to insulate the local economy from world affairs.

Aaaahhh .. so no-one is going to claim that DonKey has managed it either ?

[Oscar]

Aaaahhh .. so no-one is going to claim that DonKey has managed it either ?

Nope.
But I didn't post the silly captions, you did.

[Banditbandit]

Nope.
But I didn't post the silly captions, you did.

(Yeah - but at least I knew it was silly - you made the serious response ...)

Come on Oscar .. let's not play that silly 'you did he did' game ...

[mashman]

(Yeah - but at least I knew it was silly - you made the serious response ...)

Come on Oscar .. let's not play that silly 'you did he did' game ...

My bad... he's still smarting from me giving him the learn in the Ukraine thread. He'll be like a pedo outside the gates for a while. My apologies KB.

[Oscar]

My bad... he's still smarting from me giving him the learn in the Ukraine thread. He'll be like a pedo outside the gates for a while. My apologies KB.

You idiot.
Tell me about the first constitution, again.

[Oscar]

(Yeah - but at least I knew it was silly - you made the serious response ...)

Come on Oscar .. let's not play that silly 'you did he did' game ...

So, being as how you are a bit of a pinko propagandist, how am I to know when you're being silly?
Maybe you could use a pink font.

[mashman]

You idiot.
Tell me about the first constitution, again.

Again? No thanks.

[Oscar]

Again? No thanks.

Don't wanna look stupid again, huh?
Probably wise...

[mashman]

Don't wanna look stupid again, huh?
Probably wise...

You didn't have a point else you would have made it in your usual inimitable fashion. You didn't. Again. But you are more than welcome to choose to view things your own way.

[Oscar]

You didn't have a point else you would have made it in your usual inimitable fashion. You didn't. Again. But you are more than welcome to choose to view things your own way.

Still got nuthin' huh?

[mashman]

Still got nuthin' huh?

That's a good translation of what I said. Well done. You're learning.

[Oscar]

That's a good translation of what I said. Well done. You're learning.

Jaysus, you're boring sometimes.
No challenge in you...

[Voltaire]

Brief Political History of NZ*:
1840-1945- Sucking up to the UK
1945-2008- Sucking up to the US
2008- sucking up to China.


* Politically an insignificant bit of flotsam in the South Pacific.

Were not the Labour Party guys locked up in WW1 for being 'Conchies" only to send the young men off in WW2. typical.

[98tls]

Brief Political History of NZ*:
1840-1945- Sucking up to the UK
1945-2008- Sucking up to the US
2008- sucking up to China.


* Politically an insignificant bit of flotsam in the South Pacific.

Were not the Labour Party guys locked up in WW1 for being 'Conchies" only to send the young men off in WW2. typical.

:laugh:About it.Reminds me of Churchill,one minute hes dreaming up ways to slaughter colonials next hes a fucking hero.:laugh:

[puddytat]

Well once right hon. shonkey is gone , we'll no doubt have N.Zs equivalent of Maggie......
Judith Collins:facepalm:

[mashman]

Jaysus, you're boring sometimes.
No challenge in you...

Meh.
Meh.
And a few for the future...
Meh.
Meh.

[98tls]

Well once right hon. shonkey is gone , we'll no doubt have N.Zs equivalent of Maggie......
Judith Collins:facepalm:

:laugh:Aint she a TREAT,mindless bitch,1st chick that steps up with a decent rack and can fit through a doorway without going sideways gets my vote no matter if you can look through one ear and see daylight at least i could watch the news without dry retching.

[Oakie]

:laugh:Aint she a TREAT,mindless bitch,1st chick that steps up with a decent rack and can fit through a doorway without going sideways gets my vote no matter if you can look through one ear and see daylight at least i could watch the news without dry retching.

Perhaps you should go to Crimea mate: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9853852/Obsessed-with-Crimeas-beautiful-new-attorney-general

[98tls]

Perhaps you should go to Crimea mate: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9853852/Obsessed-with-Crimeas-beautiful-new-attorney-general

:niceone:uniforms a nice touch,way better than our lot dressed by "tents for less".

[puddytat]

Nah....she looks like a crack whore.

[98tls]

Nah....she looks like a crack whore.

Not sayings shes miss world but fuck compared to our lot shes a princess.Fish n chups anyone.

[puddytat]

How about this one....295115

she even looks Russian in a manly kinda way

[awa355]

Brief Political History of NZ*:

2008- sucking up to China.

.

This would be a prime example.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11224055

[Brian d marge]

Perhaps you should go to Crimea mate: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9853852/Obsessed-with-Crimeas-beautiful-new-attorney-general

Mz Humpalot

Da baby very Da

Still learning Chinese though

Stephen

[Voltaire]

I would not have a problem with Judith Collins swanning about on the taxpayer dollar if she looked like this flogging milk :shifty:
http://tim.anewleaf.com.au/files/2012/07/milk_cover_womandrink.jpg

[oldrider]

Have to hose her down first ... I don't drink milk! :oi-grr:

[mashman]

Have to hose her down first ... I don't drink milk! :oi-grr:

Does the wife :shifty:

[oldrider]

Does the wife :shifty:

If need be .... she can do anything :love: she is the consummate multi tasker! :whistle:

[mashman]

If need be .... she can do anything :love: she is the consummate multi tasker! :whistle:

:clap: .................