Tragedy on our roads

[schrodingers cat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9829650/Convicted-sex-offender-killed-in-crash

RIP bro and all that stuff

Feel free to add your condolences as per SOP

[SMOKEU]

http://emotibot.net/pix/366.jpg

[Kickaha]

I found the side story more interesting
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9833872/2-hurt-in-Waikato-motorcycle-crash
cheese cutter barriers all the way along there

[caseye]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9829650/Convicted-sex-offender-killed-in-crash

RIP bro and all that stuff

Feel free to add your condolences as per SOP

Please tell me you're kidding???????

Hardly, corner, bridge abutment, no other vehicles, hummmmmmmm, I wonder what happened?
Don't care either.
Darwin's award is in the post.

[James Deuce]

No, I too am shocked that there wasn't an outpouring of grief for our motorcycling brother.

[Akzle]

[IMG]

jim carey is a fag.
You want some keenan and kel up in that shit.
http://i.imgur.com/b8Sn4ES.gif

[BigAl]

Couldn't have happened to a better guy, well done!

[Katman]

Couldn't have happened to a better guy, well done!

I thought you were full of commiserations in the other thread.

:scratch:

[schrodingers cat]

Unbelievable. A fellow brother of the motorcycle and all that.
Abutment - obvious poor road design
HD - noted for fine handling and neutral societal attitudes

Double standards anyone?

[caspernz]

Unbelievable. A fellow brother of the motorcycle and all that.
Abutment - obvious poor road design
HD - noted for fine handling and neutral societal attitudes

Double standards anyone?

Convicted rapist who'd served his sentence...but forever tarred I suppose? The only poor choice he'd made recently was buying a Milwaukee tractor me thinks :confused:

And yeah I know my liberal thinking doesn't fit in here :bleh:

[Hitcher]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle. One wonders if that was true in this case.

[Akzle]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle. One wonders if that was true in this case.

now youre getting philosophical.
Can anyone ever really love a harley?

[PrincessBandit]

Rider fatalities come in all shapes and sizes and lifestyles.

[scumdog]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle. One wonders if that was true in this case.

He was the only one on the bike....right?:shifty:

[scumdog]

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Can anyone ever really love a harley?

So.. you don't own one then???<_<

[Kickaha]

So.. you don't own one then???<_<

Shows he does have some taste

[scumdog]

Shows he does have some taste

And you can get fucked!

[Murray]

And you can get fucked!

and soeth say the law

[caspernz]

Can anyone ever really love a harley?

Yes I reckon it's possible, you just gotta get past the stage where you like bikes to be fast and nimble :innocent:

[scumdog]

Yes I reckon it's possible, you just gotta get past the stage where you like bikes to be fast and nimble :innocent:

Sorta like women?

Ya need to catch them SOMEHOW...

[jellywrestler]

I found the side story more interesting
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9833872/2-hurt-in-Waikato-motorcycle-crash
cheese cutter barriers all the way along there

yip and they're to stop head ons, i'm in favour of twice as many of those

[Gremlin]

yip and they're to stop head ons, i'm in favour of twice as many of those
Right... so the ones on the side of the road are for... ?

[caseye]

Right... so the ones on the side of the road are for... ? To stop the morons who were travelling too fast and speared off then came back into the roadway and caused even more problems, is my understanding.

I spoke with the Waikato road safety engineers who placed all of the wire rope barriers around the Rangiriri area in Hamilton a few years ago at a Ulysses sponsored meeting where they had the engineers, the local ACC spokeswoman and some of us MAG types down from the big smoke.Until they put them in there, there was a fatal head on there almost every week.
Immediately they went in the head on's stopped.
We all had our say and the 70 odd Waikato Ulyssians who had come in for the meeting learned a thing or two. The Waikato ACC Lady was someone who was and I believe still is working with Ulysses and other groups, was supportive and had and I believe still does try to improve things down there through her own work with interested parties.
The Traffic engineers had a problem and a budget, they solved the traffic problem, within budget, but were willing to talk with motorcyclists and or anyone else who could come up with 'VIABLE' alternatives.
It is a trade off, I ride through there a bit and frankly I have no trouble riding through there at all, to come off and hit them would not be a nice experience, but nor would going under the front of an oncoming car/bus/truck.
To come off in the first place would mean you'd either been involved in an altercation with another vehicle,or as is more normal you've fucked it up and gone in fast.
Either way you're toast, I keep my distances when travelling through there and make damned sure I don't come off, my wife rides too and she to has no issues with riding through there.
To date one person that I know of has died as a result of hitting a wire rope barrier. That was a single vehicle accident and it wasn't pretty.It is my understanding that this accident was entirely preventable.

[Gremlin]

To come off in the first place would mean you'd either been involved in an altercation with another vehicle,or as is more normal you've fucked it up and gone in fast.
Or you lose traction on some tar with zero grip (at the speed limit) and nowhere to go.

I lost traction on SH1 (between Hams and Aucks) on a slippery bit where the cheesecutters are close to the road, single lane between the expressways, but fortunately stayed upright and more or less stayed in a straight line until I got to the other side. :sweatdrop

[EJK]

So, does owning a Harley make you a rapist? Do only the rapists ride Harlies?

[MIXONE]

So, does owning a Harley make you a rapist? Do only the rapists ride Harlies?

Favourite pick up line is "Does this smell like chloroform to you?"

[gammaguy]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle. One wonders if that was true in this case.

If that was true he would have died while raping someone

[gammaguy]

Rider fatalities come in all shapes and sizes and lifestyles.

First time I have heard rape described as a lifestyle

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220810

Is it a news media open season on motorcyclists or is there nothing else news worthy to print?

[trustme]

It is the seed germination for a campaign for motorcyclists to clean up their act. First you have to cement into the public subconscious the perception that there is a problem, perception becomes reality & it is all down hill from there.

Speeding was the norm , but not now
Drink driving was the norm, not now
The forestry industry is now under the pump for it's safety record, the clobbering machine has gone to work on them.
We are just getting softened up for a hiding

The frustration is that to a large degree we have no one to blame but ourselves.

[Drew]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle. One wonders if that was true in this case.I'm pretty sure it is said, as comfort to family and friends.

[Akzle]

The frustration is that to a large degree we have no one to blame but ourselves.

youre not seriously suggesting i should cut back on my raping are you??

[trustme]

No but you should give one of your dicks a rest .

Nobody gets to be that stupid playing with just one

[willytheekid]

...Can anyone ever really love a harley?

I LOVED A HARLEY ONCE! :eek:...XR1200 fully hotted up,she was beeeeautifUL!:love:

:mellow:...Im still not allowed back in that shop

[James Deuce]

I'm pretty sure it is said, as comfort to family and friends.

Yeah, well it's ridiculous. It's the WORST thing that can happen to a person, not the best.

[Drew]

Yeah, well it's ridiculous. It's the WORST thing that can happen to a person, not the best.

Philosophy not being my strongest suit, I don't want to start a debate.

However, it's not the worst thing to be doing when you die. Consider having a cunt of a day at work as your last memory, and getting dotted by a bus as you leave.

It begs the question of consciousness after death of course, and such things should only be conversed with a good skin full amongst close mates.

[James Deuce]

I'd rather have a cunt of a day. Then die. Than die on a bike.

It's a stupid platitude that when you think it through, (go on, your brain needs the exercise), makes no sense, like all platitudes and is tantamount to an insult to both the dead person and the grieving people.

"At least he wasn't doing something he loved when he died", makes a shit load more sense.

[Swoop]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle.
Everyone loves laying on the side of the road, with broken bones protruding from their body, bleeding profusely and gasping for air, whilst crying for their mother? It's quite an odd saying, really.

[Mushu]

After seeing relatives and friends die of cancer and other diseases, give me a quick death on my bike any day. I want it to be a surprise to everyone when I go, not laying in a bed for months waiting for the end. Of course there's always the chance that a bike or car crash could leave me with all kinds of injuries that could ruin the rest of my life so it's not an ideal solution but better than cancer (which in my case is probably not too unlikely).

[James Deuce]

That's not what we're talking about mushu, but nice attempt at a strawman argument.

Platitudes is the subject. "Died doing what they loved", is imbecilic. Q.E.D.

[BoristheBiter]

That's not what we're talking about mushu, but nice attempt at a strawman argument.

Platitudes is the subject. "Died doing what they loved", is imbecilic. Q.E.D.

but i love riding my bike.
if I died while riding my bike it only stands to reason, I died doing what i love.

[pzkpfw]

but i love riding my bike.
if I died while riding my bike it only stands to reason, I died doing what i love.

If you have a quick heart attack or brain embolism while riding, maybe.

But many die, not riding, but lying next to their bike, in a mangled heap. That's not the bit anyone loves.

[Edbear]

If you have a quick heart attack or brain embolism while riding, maybe.

But many die, not riding, but lying next to their bike, in a mangled heap. That's not the bit anyone loves.

Yeah, it's not so much the dying, per se, but how long it takes and whether it's painful or not. Often the news will say, "He died instantly." when you have a fair idea that wouldn't be the case.

[BoristheBiter]

If you have a quick heart attack or brain embolism while riding, maybe.

But many die, not riding, but lying next to their bike, in a mangled heap. That's not the bit anyone loves.

Then that becomes how one dies not what one was doing when one dies.

[James Deuce]

but i love riding my bike.
if I died while riding my bike it only stands to reason, I died doing what i love.

Still missing the point. It's a platitude. It makes the person saying or writing it feel like they are being deep and meaningful and providing support, but it makes the people they are saying it to feel patronised and confused.

[Big Dog]

EOD there is no good way to die. No matter what sort of c@@t you are someone will be hurting because you are gone.
I don't hope to die on my bike, but I can think of worse fates. Such as being at a mates funeral and mumbling those words because you don't know what else to say to convey how you feel to his/her family and feeling like they don't agree.

Be it final or just the doorway to the next life, no one has proof. Life ain't a fucking dress rehearsal get up and dance.

If you happen to be at my funeral one day and I died on my bike and you don't know what else to say don't feel bad about mumbling those words because I know the risks I take, I also know not taking them would be the end of my life.


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[mashman]

Still missing the point. It's a platitude. It makes the person saying or writing it feel like they are being deep and meaningful and providing support, but it makes the people they are saying it to feel patronised and confused.

What? All of them? Bit patronising.

[James Deuce]

What? All of them? Bit patronising.

Yes. When you're really in the shit, platitudes sting.

[Ocean1]

Yeah, well it's ridiculous. It's the WORST thing that can happen to a person, not the best.

"While I had always said that I wanted to die in bed, what I really meant was that in my old age I wanted to be stepped on by an elephant while making love." - Roger Zelazny.

[haydes55]

If it wasn't dangerous, it wouldn't be fun.

Maybe the wording should be "(deceased person) died whilst enjoying their life, they enjoyed life for the same reason they died, they took a risk, a small chance at death for a life time of enjoyment. Unfortunately that risk wasn't in (the deceased)'s favor that day"

Fuck that's about as PC as the Rocks "win a wife" name change to "win a trip to Europe to participate in match making"

[mashman]

Yes. When you're really in the shit, platitudes sting.

No doubt they do for some, maybe the majority, but for some it's comforting for whatever reason. Fucked if I know why, but hey, vauxhall viva la difference.

[ellipsis]

...probably shouldn't say fuck all, in case it upsets some clowns sense of propriety, and just get straight to the sausage rolls and club sandwiches...

[Big Dog]

Could always do what at least one kber does and walk around asking inappropriate questions in an effort to cloak their discomfort in humour. Quotes from previous kb funerals:
Are we having a barbecue or a hangi?
Do you reckon he packed feathers or a fan?
Do you reckon he'd prefer a roast or an umu?
Do you reckon anyone would care if I took the rest of the sausage rolls? Pretty sure he won't want them.


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[Brian d marge]

Dead bikers are usually lauded for dying "doing what they loved", and other trite twaddle. One wonders if that was true in this case.
I think he was already convicted for that

Stephen

[Dangsta]

I know we've gone off topic a bit given we started off taking the piss out of a dead rapist (which I think are the best kind). But then it got interesting when we were talking about a quiet painless death versus a gory painful one.

Considering death is the absolute last thing you'll ever do and experience. Would you honestly rather go quietly in your sleep or in sensory overload, screaming in agony? This isn't a die young or old question as that's an easy answer.

[BoristheBiter]

Still missing the point. It's a platitude. It makes the person saying or writing it feel like they are being deep and meaningful and providing support, but it makes the people they are saying it to feel patronised and confused.

No I got your point, it's still a statement of fact at a time when people just don't know what to say.

[Genestho]

Still missing the point. It's a platitude. It makes the person saying or writing it feel like they are being deep and meaningful and providing support, but it makes the people they are saying it to feel patronised and confused.
I don't know, Jim.. I've said it and it were true.

It was the bit after the enjoyment abruptly ended that you know was the most frightening thing a person that survives through a crash could suffer through.
Sometimes people really don't know what to say to support and that should be forgiven - at some point.

I've heard worse - It's probably better than saying "These things happen for a reason, or, god has a plan" Never say that - Those ones require a punch in the mouth.

Really? To leave children to grow up through every milestone minus a loving parent, to completely sever the expected future and alter all's involved lives forever, their views on life and people, to cause someone so much prolonged mental and physical pain? *Twack*

[Mushu]

That's not what we're talking about mushu, but nice attempt at a strawman argument.

Platitudes is the subject. "Died doing what they loved", is imbecilic. Q.E.D.

Not really a strawman argument, whilst I did ignore the original post (who really gives a fuck if a rapist crashed a bike into a bridge, good result really) to call it a strawman argument would require me to have made knowingly incorrect assertions on the original subject. I, instead, chose to ignore all that and reply to a post that had already gone off on a tangent.

Platitudes is all you hear when you are family to someone deceased there are no magic words of comfort. I would be happier if I died as a result of my own stupidity than any other reason I can think of. Plenty of fun things I do are dangerous, I could stop doing them and be far safer or I could carry on and know that one day one of those things may kill me.

And I hope that at my funeral someone can say "atleast he died doing something he loved" seems to me the best ways to go are things like riding, driving, fucking etc (all three of those things are responsible for countless deaths) they all sound better to me than illness, industrial accident, murder, suicide etc...

[MVnut]

I hope the bridge is okay:headbang:

[Drew]

Could always do what at least one kber does and walk around asking inappropriate questions in an effort to cloak their discomfort in humour. Quotes from previous kb funerals:
Are we having a barbecue or a hangi?
Do you reckon he packed feathers or a fan?
Do you reckon he'd prefer a roast or an umu?
Do you reckon anyone would care if I took the rest of the sausage rolls? Pretty sure he won't want them.


I really wanna meet that person!:yes:

[Katman]

If it wasn't dangerous, it wouldn't be fun.


I've had a lifetime of enjoyment from riding motorcycles.

Once I outgrew the wank 'celebration of danger' factor, I discovered that if you do it right it's not actually dangerous at all.