Motorists swerving at bikes

[oneblackflag]

How often have you had a motorist swerve at you? Actually come right over into your lane seemingly purposefully with the intent of scaring you, not on a bend; and you've had to take evastive action:crazy:

Has happened to me twice over the last month. Once on Waring Rd near Taupiri, Waikato; once today on State Highway 27 near Patetonga Waikato.

Both times middle aged men. Today it was one of those minitue trucks, the other was a car. Neather time was I actually scared just did what I had to, swerve to the left; sure gets me wound up though:angry2:

Wondering if Road style bikes get it too, im on a Dual Sport that looks like a Dirt Bike; wondered if that was the reason, them thinking I shouldn't be on the road? Or just a general loathing for bikers...

Didn't bother with getting plate numbers, as I figure It could go bad if I start chasing after them... Seriously considering a Go Pro to record these events to give to Police...

Thoughs?

[SMOKEU]

I've had that happen before, though not often.

[Big Dog]

About 6 times a year when not lane splitting. About 4 times a week when lane splitting.
Mostly just fuckwits. Worst on Hayabusa. People actually tried to hit me. On other bikes they either just didn't look or they were trying to scare.


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[T.W.R]

Probably 3-4 times in 27yrs by cars and once by a knuckle dragger gang member on a harley

[oneblackflag]

Seems pretty common then. Fuck there are some fuckwits out there...:eek5: has been another wakeup call.

Worth reporting them? Reckless driving isn't it? If for some reason you weren't paying attention its possible they'd hit ya head on:shit: especially a newbie. Yes I know always pay attention...

[Big Dog]

Head on never.


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[oneblackflag]

Head on never.


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You're experiences haven't been head on?

Both mine are.

[Big Dog]

Maybe I just look scarier head on than image wing mirror.


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[oneblackflag]

Maybe I just look scarier head on than image wing mirror.


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Yea I probably look like a twat from any angle.

[Frodo]

I ride 15-20,000km per year, all over NZ. Never happened to me. Once when filtering a young bozo deliberately opened a car door on me. Once a gang rider overtook over double yellow lines and forced me to move left. However, every day car drivers move over to the left to make it easier for me to filter or overtake.
Its the accidental (I didn't see him) actions that concern me most. Young women on cellphones and impatient young men are the worst.

[Maha]

One night, over a few drinks, the talk turned to motorbikes on the motorway during peak hour traffic. I overheard a female comment of the lane splitters saying ''I really want to open my car door on them'' I wanted to punch her.

[unstuck]

Once. In 30+ years of riding. Milk tanker tried to push me off the road, followed him to a cowshed and smashed his truck windows with a big rock. :weird:

[The Baron]

Yes I have had this happen from time to time. Head on.

Some I think is target fixation but some is on purpose.

Check your headlight is not too high.

Ride safe.

[G4L4XY]

I've had cagers high beaming me upon passing them, even when they're sitting illegally below the speed limit. But intentionally swerving to hit me....no...not at all. Then again you shouldn't be taking all day to pass another vehicle (giving them time to try hit you in the first place), twist that throttle until it don't twist no more!

[R650R]

Had it on the odd occasion in bike, car and truck, there's a lot of screwed up people out there.
I'm sure if we're honest with ourselves we've all engaged in tactical driving manoevoures at some stage...
The best one was the company driver assessor who was conducting covert surveillance after my truck alledgedly cut off a close friend of the general manager at an earlier date.
After not being able to find anything wrong he resorted to a bit of entrapment on a foggy wet road at night that didn't go down to well with me and the other truck behind him. A short time later we both conducted moves that are definitely not in the rode code for dealing with errant motorists. The other Truckie was from Aussie and one of those larger than life characters and went straight to the top next day ripping to shreds the assesors rep...
In the end we all got on well and covert ops were canned! Would have made great dashcam footage but before that time...

Had another truck from one the companies with a high crash reputation lean on me up SH27 when he didn't even have his front trailer past me, was throwing a tantrum because I actually stopped at the SH27/29 dogleg stopsign.
Could have had him fired but I like to leave nutbars like that in same truck so I know where they are and let Darwin takeover...
Best left to the Police to deal with these days, sadly its your word against theirs without witnesses though...

[SMOKEU]

Once when filtering a young bozo deliberately opened a car door on me.

I find that by going nuts at them and kicking their vehicle hard enough to cause noticeable panel damage, they should get the message. Then get the fuck out of there.


One night, over a few drinks, the talk turned to motorbikes on the motorway during peak hour traffic. I overheard a female comment of the lane splitters saying ''I really want to open my car door on them'' I wanted to punch her.

I probably would have punched her. In the vagina. Then the face.

[Kendoll]

One night, over a few drinks, the talk turned to motorbikes on the motorway during peak hour traffic. I overheard a female comment of the lane splitters saying ''I really want to open my car door on them'' I wanted to punch her.

I wish you had!! I know it's technically not OK to hit a lady...but she doesn't sound like much of a lady!!

[Tigadee]

Only happened once in my two years (so far) daily commuting - Young fella in a black Volkswagon Golf (yes, you know who you are!!) overtook me in my lane after I took off at the light, just 'cos I filtered up next to him when the light was red.

A boot to his door sent him off on his way...

[pritch]

there's a lot of screwed up people out there.


Sad but true.

[SMOKEU]

I wish you had!! I know it's technically not OK to hit a lady...but she doesn't sound like much of a lady!!

If a woman acts like a man, then treat them like one.

[Katman]

I find that by going nuts at them and kicking their vehicle hard enough to cause noticeable panel damage, they should get the message. Then get the fuck out of there.


And therein lies most of the problem. Self-absorbed motorcyclists with an over inflated sense of entitlement deliberately damaging other peoples property and then running away because they haven't got the balls to deal with the fallout.

They just leave it up to the next motorcyclist who comes along to deal with it.

[SMOKEU]

And therein lies most of the problem. Self-absorbed motorcyclists with an over inflated sense of entitlement deliberately damaging other peoples property and then running away because they haven't got the balls to deal with the fallout.

They just leave it up to the next motorcyclist who comes along to deal with it.

If I'm forced to take evasive action in order to avoid a collision due to the gross negligence or stupidity of another road user, then I don't give a fuck if their vehicle gets damaged in the process. It has nothing to do with self entitlement. When I ride/drive, I'm always thoughtful of the other road users who I have to share the roads with, and I always endeavour to have a high level of situational awareness when operating a vehicle on a public road, in much the same way as I treat any potentially deadly weapon.

It's not too much to ask for other road users to take due care when in charge of something that is potentially far more dangerous than a gun when misused.

[bluninja]

Not had anybody coming towards me deliberately swerve into my path (other than the corner cutters), but filtering in slow moving or stationary traffic I've had it a lot. Whilst it's pretty immature it's never been dangerous and easy to spot as they are the only ones eagle eyes in the wing mirror looking for bikes. In the UK in summer I've been through 10-12km tailbacks and had to deal with lots of car doors opening and people just walking about between the cars.

[Katman]

If I'm forced to take evasive action in order to avoid a collision due to the gross negligence or stupidity of another road user, then I don't give a fuck if their vehicle gets damaged in the process. It has nothing to do with self entitlement. When I ride/drive, I'm always thoughtful of the other road users who I have to share the roads with, and I always endeavour to have a high level of situational awareness when operating a vehicle on a public road, in much the same way as I treat any potentially deadly weapon.

It's not too much to ask for other road users to take due care when in charge of something that is potentially far more dangerous than a gun when misused.

But you haven't got the balls to confront them about it?

You just damage their property and run away with your tail between your legs?

[SMOKEU]

But you haven't got the balls to confront them about it?

You just damage their property and run away with your tail between your legs?

It depends on the situation. Getting into a scrap in leather riding gear isn't good because the gear isn't that flexible.

All of this could very easily be avoided if people were a bit more thoughtful and careful of other road users, rather than having the selfish attitude where they think that they are the only one who matters, and fuck everyone else.

[unstuck]

Getting into a scrap in leather riding gear is good

fuck everyone else.

:clap::clap: Best thing you have ever posted.:Punk::Punk:

[Katman]

All of this could very easily be avoided if people were a bit more thoughtful and careful of other road users, rather than having the selfish attitude where they think that they are the only one who matters, and fuck everyone else.

Sounds a lot like motorcyclists lane splitting.

If it was done with absolutely no negative impact on other road users there wouldn't be a problem.

Too many believe though that it's their god given right to squeeze through gaps that they were never going to squeeze through without clipping another vehicle.

[Big Dog]

I have had people lean out the window and bark like a dog, been shot at with an air pistol (or possibly a small calibre), had doors opened on me, had people try and hit me, had people spit at me, try to punch/slap me and otherwise been abused.

14 years of riding in Auckland has taught me...
None of that is as dangerous as the fuckers who don't see you stopping when waiting patiently in line. So I choose to manage the risks and take the option I have some control over. Once you are stopped behind a car you have no options left barring the mercy of the driver behind. I have been tagged or nearly tagged lots of times "doing the right thing" never when lane splitting.

A personal observation, almost all of the times someone has tried to scare me have been immediately after some loose unit comes past as though they are the Ghost Rider". Your riding actions probably don't echo back at you so much as the next biker they see.



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[Swoop]

Had some mouth-breathing retard in a crappy old Honda civic (bog standard, not hotted up) attempt to occupy the lane I was currently using...
After he fumed over there was the immortal line "I could run you off da road!". I laughed so hard! This fat fuck in a POS hadn't considered the power-to-weight ratio comparison between vehicles.:facepalm:




I overheard a female comment of the lane splitters saying ''I really want to open my car door on them'' I wanted to punch her.
Quite some time ago Leah Panapa, on The Rock, said exactly that one morning.
A bloody stupid thing to say on the air and I had a discussion with her about it later!

[Katman]

A personal observation, almost all of the times someone has tried to scare me have been immediately after some loose unit comes past as though they are the Ghost Rider". Your riding actions probably don't echo back at you so much as the next biker they see.


This post here deserves repeating.

[TheDemonLord]

I haven't had anyone deliberately swerve at me yet....

but have had plenty of people weaving in their lane (on the phone, gasbagging to their BFF, having one off the wrist etc.) Plenty of people try and change lanes by using the Magic indicator (If my indicator is on, I don't need mirrors, the world will stop and make way for me) Plenty of People try and change lanes without using the Magic Indicator (The world is telepathic and so can read my thoughts and therefore will make room for me)

and generaly shitty lane discipline.

if someone was to take a sweve at me, I would probably think about packing a Viking Helmet and Battle Axe in my riding bag.....

[SMOKEU]

:clap::clap: Best thing you have ever posted.:Punk::Punk:

Something like that.


Sounds a lot like motorcyclists lane splitting.

If it was done with absolutely no negative impact on other road users there wouldn't be a problem.

Too many believe though that it's their god given right to squeeze through gaps that they were never going to squeeze through without clipping another vehicle.

That's why I don't split unless there's a fairly big gap that leaves me enough room to split without cagers having to move to let me in.


been shot at with an air pistol (or possibly a small calibre),

Did you call the cops? They'd be all over it like a rash.

[Big Dog]

Did you call the cops? They'd be all over it like a rash.

And tell them what? That a car I was not sure which one shot at me and in my haste to escape I did not get their plate. Oh it was 30 mins ago in heavy traffic.

Just another hazard.


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[iranana]

I've been swerved at once or twice and I've had all of the usual crappy driver behaviour come my way, but as much as it winds me up I just try and keep my distance these days. It's not worth fucking with other motorists (some are seriously psychotic), and it doesn't help the public perception of bikers. There have been numerous occasions where I've wanted to smash someone's mirror or boot their door in, but that's not healthy nor productive... so I 555 them instead. I doubt it does much, but for the young kids driving their parent's cars it gives them a slap on the wrist.

I've always thought that following someone home and filling all of their locks (both house and car) with superglue, and jamming a blob of putty or filling their exhaust with expanding foam would be the most satisfying (and chicken shit :lol:) form of retribution. But for me to bother doing that they'd really have to piss me off...

I don't filter much any more. My bars and pipes stick out too much for me to squeeze through gaps, and I'm not usually in a rush anyway. Since then, the incident rate of dodgy encounters has dropped a little.

[Eyegasm]

Worst I had was a geezer open his door while I was filtering through stationary traffic. Caught my leg and bent his hinge a bit. Pulled over and had a chat, he called mr plod and we had another chat. 5-0 gave him a ticket for opening his door without checking the way was clear or some such.

I went on my way. Cop wouldn't let him go as he was not able to close his door.

Apart from doing the splits on a bike I thought it was a good outcome.

[awa355]

How often have you had a motorist swerve at you? Actually come right over into your lane seemingly purposefully with the intent of scaring you, not on a bend; and you've had to take evastive action:crazy:

Has happened to me twice over the last month.

Geez!! sorry mate, I thought you were somebody else :argh:

[jasonu]

How often have you had a motorist swerve at you? Actually come right over into your lane seemingly purposefully with the intent of scaring you, not on a bend; and you've had to take evastive action:crazy:

Has happened to me twice over the last month. Once on Waring Rd near Taupiri, Waikato; once today on State Highway 27 near Patetonga Waikato.

Both times middle aged men. Today it was one of those minitue trucks, the other was a car. Neather time was I actually scared just did what I had to, swerve to the left; sure gets me wound up though:angry2:

Wondering if Road style bikes get it too, im on a Dual Sport that looks like a Dirt Bike; wondered if that was the reason, them thinking I shouldn't be on the road? Or just a general loathing for bikers...

Didn't bother with getting plate numbers, as I figure It could go bad if I start chasing after them... Seriously considering a Go Pro to record these events to give to Police...

Thoughs?

Next time pull out your pistol and take a couple of pot shots at them.

[SMOKEU]

And tell them what? That a car I was not sure which one shot at me and in my haste to escape I did not get their plate. Oh it was 30 mins ago in heavy traffic.


It's unfortunate you couldn't identify the vehicle.


Next time pull out your pistol and take a couple of pot shots at them.

If only we could pack a piece, like in the USA.

[unstuck]

If only we could pack a piece, like in the USA.


You white power motherfuckers would be getting shot left of center, everytime you stepped out the door, if we had the right to carry arms.:yes:

[Motu]

Never.

I commuted in Auckland for 15 years 30 to 40 years ago, lane splitting and carving up traffic. There were a lot more bikes on the road back then, drivers were used to it and accepted it, and a lot of the drivers would've owned bikes too. These days I commute on the open road, still no problems with cars, and a lot pull over to let me past when they see me in the mirror.

[SMOKEU]

You white power motherfuckers would be getting shot left of center, everytime you stepped out the door, if we had the right to carry arms.:yes:

So I have to have an assault rifle then, and an RPG.

[R650R]

This one definitely swerved at a bike! Well didn't look in his mirrors anyway...
Kinda agree with the comments that the guy wombled about with the pass and should have nailed it earlier and also expected that car to pass also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnt9MLVMOh0

[Virago]

I've had cagers high beaming me upon passing them, even when they're sitting illegally below the speed limit...

Since when has it been illegal to travel below the speed limit?

[Mom]

I have experienced one vehicle deliberately drive into my space. I was in a slip lane, creeping up alongside stationary/slowly moving traffic to my left. This bloke, in a large 4x4 type vehicle coming towards me, drove into the slip lane, because he could. Fortunately I was going really slowly and simply indicated left and slipped back into the line of traffic to my left. No one in that lane seemed to mind me pootling past.

I am picking fuck knuckle that thought it funny to have a go at little old me, had experienced the wank factor filterers that seem to be prevalent in the city.

Minority wankers on bikes, creating such a bad image really piss me off!

[tigertim20]

had it happen a couple times.
Once while lane splitting a builder in a sign-written 4wd did it while I was lane splitting at about 10km/hr as traffic was stationary, and I had loads of room. he saw me coming, and swerved at me, had I not been looking, and seen him, he would have hit me. :(A short conversation was exchanged, before I decided I would roll gently backwards and join the line of traffic on my right (2 lane, he was in the left)
As I rolled slowly backward, I noticed that said builder's laden trailer was a braked trailer. So I leant over and locked the trailer brake on.
When the light went green, I tooted and waved as he stalled, confused at why he wasn't moving, and carried on my way
Childish? - yes, but fuck him.:nya:
I get a little smile when I think how pissed off he would have been:killingme

[Vinz0r]

I don't split unless there's a fairly big gap that leaves me enough room to split





Don't you ride an SRAD? You'd need at least half a lane! :laugh:

[SMOKEU]

Don't you ride an SRAD? You'd need at least half a lane! :laugh:

Yeah, I guess it is kinda wide.

[Big Dog]

Since when has it been illegal to travel below the speed limit?

Death on the road normally comes by way of a speed differential. Be it going 80 kms an hour faster than the car in front or the power pole the outcome is the same. It is against the law to unnecessarily hold up traffic or yo travel at any speed that poses a hazard to other drivers. I forget the wording but you can get a ticket on a motorway for travelling under 80 without just cause.


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[Rhys]

I forget the wording but you can get a ticket on a motorway for travelling under 80 without just cause.


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There is no minimum speed limit but vehicles traveling less than the maximum must keep to the side of the road if any cars are following and pull over to allow others to pass as soon as it is safe.

[MVnut]

Death on the road normally comes by way of a speed differential. Be it going 80 kms an hour faster than the car in front or the power pole the outcome is the same. It is against the law to unnecessarily hold up traffic or yo travel at any speed that poses a hazard to other drivers. I forget the wording but you can get a ticket on a motorway for travelling under 80 without just cause.


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There is no minimum speed limit but vehicles traveling less than the maximum must keep to the side of the road if any cars are following and pull over to allow others to pass as soon as it is safe.

There is a minimum speed on a motorway actually (or at least there was, and I presume still is)....I believe it is 41kph or somewhere in that vicinity

[Berries]

There is nothing in current legislation that states that there is a blanket minimum speed limit on motorways.

[jasonu]

You white power motherfuckers would be getting shot left of center, everytime you stepped out the door, if we had the right to carry arms.:yes:

Cheeky darkie...

[Hads]

I have only had one instance, a truck and trailer decided to squeeze me off the road when I was over taking on the left.... thankfully I'm used to driving on gravel, so managed to get past him. The line of traffic was doing 20km ish at the time.

[Pascal]

Didn't bother with getting plate numbers, as I figure It could go bad if I start chasing after them... Seriously considering a Go Pro to record these events to give to Police...

Yup, had a snotling in a BMW do that to me a couple of weeks ago while I was lane splitting. She actually looked at me, gave me the finger and then started the move to sideswipe me. I'd only hooked up the Go Pro for fun rides prior to that, but since that day I keep it running for every ride.

[yevjenko]

So I leant over and locked the trailer brake on

This was Awesome!

I'd have been laughing about that all day every day for a week

[scracha]

Yup, had a snotling in a BMW do that to me a couple of weeks ago while I was lane splitting. She actually looked at me, gave me the finger and then started the move to sideswipe me. I'd only hooked up the Go Pro for fun rides prior to that, but since that day I keep it running for every ride.

Punch their fuckin mirror off then or park bike in front of them, get off it and see how tough they really are*


*do not recommend if there are more than one occupant in the car

[Big Dog]

Punch their fuckin mirror off then or park bike in front of them, get off it and see how tough they really are*


*do not recommend if there are more than one occupant in the car
So your recommendation is to escalate the situation by using stand over tactics and or commuting a crime?
Because that won't backfire at all.
First to admit there have been a few times I did not take the high road but looking back it is more good luck than good management I did not come a cropper.



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[Vinz0r]

Was on my morning ride to Uni the other day, pootling along (at the speed limit even) in the left lane of a dual carriageway lane stretch of road. Had just got onto a section that is raised and doesn't really have anywhere to go at the side, when some crazy bitch in a BMW SUV thing decides to merge straight into me. I got on the horn as soon as I saw her move, had to anchor it to get out of her way. Came up around the other side, gave her a couple of toots to get her attention, she didn't even look.
In that kind of situation it's not really worth escalating the situation, so I just gunned it to get out of the crazy bitch's killzone.
My exhaust is loud, and if she didn't hear that she must have at least heard my horn, but took no notice of either. We were side by side when she cut across into my lane, I don't see how she could have not known I was there.

[caseye]

It! knew alright. Might ( read 4 wheeled B M fu...ng Wubbleu) is right for these people. Best idea, as you did let em know then leave em too it.

[oneblackflag]

Well it seems to happen alot to people traveling in the same direction as the car; the fact both mine have been head on attacks has me downloading plans for a tinfoil hat :shit: anyone got a goodun?

[The Reibz]

Motorists tend not to serve at me, I'm usually going 220kph+ in a 50 on a double yellow lined area wit the front wheel at 1200 sky high.
The average slow cunt tents not to notice me...

[swbarnett]

Was on my morning ride to Uni the other day, pootling along (at the speed limit even) in the left lane of a dual carriageway lane stretch of road. Had just got onto a section that is raised and doesn't really have anywhere to go at the side, when some crazy bitch in a BMW SUV thing decides to merge straight into me. I got on the horn as soon as I saw her move, had to anchor it to get out of her way. Came up around the other side, gave her a couple of toots to get her attention, she didn't even look.
In that kind of situation it's not really worth escalating the situation, so I just gunned it to get out of the crazy bitch's killzone.
My exhaust is loud, and if she didn't hear that she must have at least heard my horn, but took no notice of either. We were side by side when she cut across into my lane, I don't see how she could have not known I was there.
I've had somebody do that to me. I followed them and had words. Turned out they were deaf.

[swbarnett]

I had a large truck swerve at me once on the Auckland motorway. Held my ground knowing that I could swerve into the lane beside me at the last second if necessary. The truck came to within a metre of me and then pull back. The vast majority of those that do this deliberately are just windbags that will back down when push comes to shove.

[Mike.Gayner]

I had a large truck swerve at me once on the Auckland motorway. Held my ground knowing that I could swerve into the lane beside me at the last second if necessary. The truck came to within a metre of me and then pull back. The vast majority of those that do this deliberately are just windbags that will back down when push comes to shove.

You're willing to bet your life on it?

[swbarnett]

You're willing to bet your life on it?
If I've got an extra lane beside me that I can move into at the last second, yes.

What I'm trusting my life to is my own counter-steering. This will get me into the other lane and away.

[Mike.Gayner]

I don't get that attitude though - if there's another lane, why not just jump into it straight away? Yeah sure, you don't get to show the truck driver how big your cock is, but why put your safety in their hands? Why not just jump in the other lane and get the fuck out of there?

[ricardohardo]

Bikers getting a bad rep at the mo with spate of recent accidents....do motorists jump on the band wagon and do silly shit as a result ? I find lane splitting on m.way people see you coming and slowing move over to stop you from passing...annoying


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[yevjenko]

You're willing to bet your life on it?

Exactly what I was thinking

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[yevjenko]

Bikers getting a bad rep at the mo with spate of recent accidents....do motorists jump on the band wagon and do silly shit as a result ? I find lane splitting on m.way people see you coming and slowing move over to stop you from passing...annoying


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I find the opposite in Wellington. Most people move out of the way for me, even if there is no way I'd get past.

I always thank them though

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[swbarnett]

I don't get that attitude though
I can see that.


- if there's another lane, why not just jump into it straight away?
Because maybe, just maybe, if you stand your ground until the last second they'll be the one to get the fright and won't do it again. If we run the other way at the slightest provocation we show the bullies that we can be pushed around. Number 1 rule of dealing with bullies is to stand up to them. During my school years I had occasion to find out first hand the consequences of both courses of action.


Yeah sure, you don't get to show the truck driver how big your cock is,
No need to. No matter how small mine might be I already know it's bigger than theirs through their actions.


but why put your safety in their hands?
When have I put my safety in their hands? I know the lane beside me is clear. I know I can quickly move into it and escape anytime I want. I am in total control of my own safety throughout the whole encounter.


Why not just jump in the other lane and get the fuck out of there?
As stated above, we need to stand up to bullies. Getting the bully to back down may just mean that they think twice about trying it with the next motorcyclist who may be less able to control the situation than I.

[swbarnett]

Bikers getting a bad rep at the mo with spate of recent accidents....do motorists jump on the band wagon and do silly shit as a result ? I find lane splitting on m.way people see you coming and slowing move over to stop you from passing...annoying.
You're on the wrong motorway. On the southern people see me coming and slowly (and sometimes not so slowly) move over to let me pass. Even large trucks.

[nzspokes]

So your recommendation is to escalate the situation by using stand over tactics and or commuting a crime?
Because that won't backfire at all.


Yes. This will make them think twice next time. And yes I have stopped on gone head to head with them. One truck driver apologized and a teenage guy had a wee cry.

[swbarnett]

Yes. This will make them think twice next time. And yes I have stopped on gone head to head with them. One truck driver apologized and a teenage guy had a wee cry.
Yeah, they're not so big without their weapon.

[Big Dog]

Yes. This will make them think twice next time. And yes I have stopped on gone head to head with them. One truck driver apologized and a teenage guy had a wee cry.

I agree with standing your ground even backing them of to a halt, but resorting to violence and vandalism is just plain wrong. I once pulled a driver out through his side window and gave him a stern lecture about how it was not funny to swerve at bikes or tailgate them. I also once took someone's keys out of the ignition and threw them into some bushes for changing lanes across my front wheel even though they saw me.

I also looking back see how I could have been arrested for either act.

Yes they broke the law first but two wrongs don't make a right.

I now see that letting the other persons stupidity put me in jail or worse would not make me a bigger man.

Yes if I had allowed each act of retribution to continue to escalate at that rate I would have been up for a serious crime by 22, 25 tops. Plus it would not have changed anything. Stupid is as stupi does.


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[Flip]

I had one try it on recently.

I was traveling south from Blemheim up over the Ward hills and came up behind a 4WD towing a 16' fiz boat. It was a black Nissan (power house) Terrano with a Hanes Hunter on the back.

This fucker would not pull over and use the left land on any of the passing lanes. Eventually I pulled into the slow lane and was about to go around him when his passanger opened his door to prevent me passing.

The funny thing is there is no way his passanger could hold the door open at 90 kph head wind. The fucker did a big swerve when the door was open and almost lost control of the vehicle. I dont know if he was distracted by the passanger opening the door or if he was just trying it on. The next opportunity i zipped past and flicked him the "english bowman salute".

I don't often run into these fuckers these days but they are out there, so be carefull.

[yevjenko]

...I also once took someone's keys out of the ignition and threw them into some bushes for changing lanes across my front wheel even though they saw me.

I also looking back see how I could have been arrested for either act.

How is throwing someone's keys away illegal? Don't think it would count as burglary and you'd be hard pushed to get it recorded as theft

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[swbarnett]

How is throwing someone's keys away illegal? Don't think it would count as burglary and you'd be hard pushed to get it recorded as theft
Huh? Pretty obvious, I thought. The keys are the property of the driver. They were taken without the driver's permission. Therefore, clearly theft. Even if a minor case.

[yevjenko]

Huh? Pretty obvious, I thought. The keys are the property of the driver. They were taken without the driver's permission. Therefore, clearly theft. Even if a minor case.

I'm not so sure, they were not converted or taken from the scene.

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[yevjenko]

I'm not so sure, they were not converted or taken from the scene.

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Actually it probably is conversion (which a civil offence not a crime) but it is not theft

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[swbarnett]

I'm not so sure, they were not converted or taken from the scene.
Surely the "scene" in this case is the extent of the driver's property i.e the car?

[Big Dog]

Either way I felt 10 feet tall and bullet proof at the time. Like I had done the world a favour. Now I cringe in shame. I may have made that one driver think twice before pushing in with a smirk on their dial again. But how many passers by now have a lower opinion of bikers?

In those days I was 6'4" and 120kg of reasonably athletic. (20 years have taken their toll). Dressed all in black leather including the obligatory Brando style jacket, Johnny Reb boots, thick leather gauntlets. Pretty intimidating even when trying not to be.

Most of us can agree that violence has no place in our homes. Surely the road is no different.
Why is road rage induced violence / intimidation acceptable / encoraged?

What does it achieve?


In my experience lower self esteem, lower public perception and less consideration from spectators.

I don't expect us to all stand around and hold hands but I do want better for us than to be those knuckle dragging mouth breathers the public perceive us as.


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[yevjenko]

Well said

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[rocketman1]

How often have you had a motorist swerve at you? Actually come right over into your lane seemingly purposefully with the intent of scaring you, not on a bend; and you've had to take evastive action:crazy:

Has happened to me twice over the last month. Once on Waring Rd near Taupiri, Waikato; once today on State Highway 27 near Patetonga Waikato.

Both times middle aged men. Today it was one of those minitue trucks, the other was a car. Neather time was I actually scared just did what I had to, swerve to the left; sure gets me wound up though:angry2:

Wondering if Road style bikes get it too, im on a Dual Sport that looks like a Dirt Bike; wondered if that was the reason, them thinking I shouldn't be on the road? Or just a general loathing for bikers...

Didn't bother with getting plate numbers, as I figure It could go bad if I start chasing after them... Seriously considering a Go Pro to record these events to give to Police...

Thoughs?

If it happened to be me I know follow them and then and then report them, if my temper didn't get the better off me first

[Mushu]

Had a bit of a road rage incident today, at about 5:30pm riding down Brougham St in Christchurch, heading home from Hornby to Linwood, filtering through traffic at about 20 kmh, coming up to the Antigua St lights.

I had a woman in the left lane in a Toyota starlet push right to block my path but there was still just enough room to get through, as I approached she held her hand just out through the window (which was only open about 10cm) then as I passed she made a point of throwing her cigarette at me. I made a point of stopping and she opened her window the rest of the way and yelled at me. (I just turned up my headphones, don't really care what she was saying).

By the time I passed her I was slipping the clutch in first gear going very slow, (so as not to hit anything with my handlebars), so slow my speedo would have registered zero kmh. I still don't know what her problem was.

[oneofsix]

Had a bit of a road rage incident today, at about 5:30pm riding down Brougham St in Christchurch, heading home from Hornby to Linwood, filtering through traffic at about 20 kmh, coming up to the Antigua St lights.

I had a woman in the left lane in a Toyota starlet push right to block my path but there was still just enough room to get through, as I approached she held her hand just out through the window (which was only open about 10cm) then as I passed she made a point of throwing her cigarette at me. I made a point of stopping and she opened her window the rest of the way and yelled at me. (I just turned up my headphones, don't really care what she was saying).

By the time I passed her I was slipping the clutch in first gear going very slow, (so as not to hit anything with my handlebars), so slow my speedo would have registered zero kmh. I still don't know what her problem was.

Her problem was Jealousy. Just ask them how they would like to drive to the same restrictions as a B-train and watch the light dawn on their faces.

[Katman]

Her problem was Jealousy.

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe her problem was yesterday's lane splitter who didn't give a fuck whether they hit her car.

[Mushu]

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe her problem was yesterday's lane splitter who didn't give a fuck whether they hit her car.

Maybe, but how often do we deal with cagers putting our lives at risk (as opposed to the risk of a scratched wing mirror) surely if she can take out yesterdays frustrations on me, I can jump off the bike and take her mirrors off because I'm pissed off about the last inconsiderate cager.

[awa355]

Here's how to deal with cagers that piss you off.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWl1hMfMF34

[oneofsix]

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe her problem was yesterday's lane splitter who didn't give a fuck whether they hit her car.

That only works if she is happy to be squashed by the trucker that was cut up by a car yesterday. That would also get her out of Mushu's way. :shit:

[Mushu]

Here's how to deal with cagers that piss you off.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWl1hMfMF34

lol, I have seen that vid a few times now, although kinda like taking a knife to a gun fight considering the guy in the car could easily just run him over, theres another vid getting around where a car cuts off a bike so the guy on the bike follows him to the next lights and pulls a battery powered angle grinder from somewhere and cuts his mirror off, thats a bit more my style I think, carrying an axe on a bike just seems like a hassle to me anyway. I have considered carrying the ceramic bits from a spark plug, might even be able to get away with that on the sly if they follow you, you can just flick it over your shoulder not sure if it would work that easy on a windscreen since they're laminated.

[awa355]

That clip came from a 13 minute video on motorcycle crashes. Almost without exception, in every case the rider was at fault. Not one crash displayed any attempt at defensive riding. Most crashes were filmed in Asia or Eastern Europe. Whether that has any bearing on the matter, I dont know. The amount of idiots riding through intersections at high speed, or not watching the vehicle ahead was staggering.

[Big Dog]

Had a Mercedes swerve at me as I filtered past this morning. Required a full lock dodge to the opposite side of lane 2 followed by a dodge back once I was past the Mercedes. Driver thought it was pretty funny too. Until he realised he almost hit the truck i was passing.


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[rustyblade]

had some fat miserable 40-something woman shout and scream at me in the lane to the left of me on my 'Blade.
When it came to our green going on the motorway she literally tried to swerve right into me.

Gave her the finger and screamed off for the trouble.
scary stuff.

[yevjenko]

I just don't understand this behaviour. It seems completely illogical to me. Has anyone experienced this outside of NZ? i never came across it in the UK, Ireland or France. :scratch:

[rustyblade]

I just don't understand this behaviour. It seems completely illogical to me. Has anyone experienced this outside of NZ? i never came across it in the UK, Ireland or France. :scratch:

I had it in the UK, was on a bright orange CBR600RR (I miss you tammy!) and people would try and push you off the road, open doors on you and generally shout abuse.
Typically from BMW drivers.

Also, boy racers - if you beat them off the line they'll typically drive up your bum and I've had a fair few rear tyre to bumper contacts here and there. Everyone is in a damn rush in the UK. Apart from Wales.

Over here, I've not found myself in that situation much.

Over in mainland europe, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Italy people respect your vehicle a lot more and therefore people keep a reasonable distance, I've been to all of em. Italy was NUTS, if you're not breaking the speed limit then you will probably get stopped by the cops.
The best drivers I've ever ridden with were in France - they're quick but very careful and NEVER threaten another driver/rider.

[Mike.Gayner]

I just don't understand this behaviour. It seems completely illogical to me. Has anyone experienced this outside of NZ? i never came across it in the UK, Ireland or France. :scratch:

I'm not convinced it's happening very widely here either. I'm pretty sure 95% of cases reported by people here are honest mistakes by bad drivers being blown out of proportion.

[oneblackflag]

I'm not convinced it's happening very widely here either. I'm pretty sure 95% of cases reported by people here are honest mistakes by bad drivers being blown out of proportion.

Bullshit.
95%....
100% sure the pricks that swerved at me were doing it on purpose, grumpy old men looking right at me as they got the bird.

[rustyblade]

I'm not convinced it's happening very widely here either. I'm pretty sure 95% of cases reported by people here are honest mistakes by bad drivers being blown out of proportion.

tru dat. Despite the fact a load of us have garishly coloured loud machines of awesome we're still not visible.
Especially not reflected in the screen of a phone.

[Big Dog]

I'm not convinced it's happening very widely here either. I'm pretty sure 95% of cases reported by people here are honest mistakes by bad drivers being blown out of proportion.
I would have to say the most of the ones that stick in my mind enough to still care 3ms later are all ones where the driver and sometimes passenger as well were either making eye contact or had previously indicated they were aware I my presence.

Not scientific but I'd estimate:
Probably close to 20% of total incidents they saw me and went anyway in an aggressive manner, about half o those are laughing about it with passenger.
About another 20% are mobile, kindle, newspaper or other inappropriate distraction.
About 50% would be slight intrusions I forgive before we have finished sorting ourselves out.
1% are "massive save" caused by SMIDSY. Rest would be ones I get shaken up but I understand how they missed me.

I hate Auckland. I might still work here but at least I don't live here anymore.



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[roy.nz]

Two incidents that come to mind since I started riding 8 years ago. Many cagers swerving my way when going in the same direction. No need to get pissed off with them. Just pass them, then give them a wave saying thank you.

1: Lane splitting to work, really jammed up traffic that morning. Was splitting and passing a dump truck slowly. Heard someone yelling obscenities, looked up and saw this dump truck driver going off his nut at me. Was funny.

2: Coming home from greenlane. Accident just before the bridge, major traffic jam. Splitting traffic like always. Then just ahead of me a passenger door opens and a male gets out and looks at me (not naming ethnicity). Sweet, I will just go in the other lane, no skin off my back. Just him looking like an idiot.

[TheDemonLord]

Have had a couple - but most I think are people being dumbasses as opposed to deliberately swerving at me.

The most recent one was whilst filtering, and someone just casually moving over as I am almost right on top of them. Slowed down and tapped their wing mirror with my finger as a gesture of 'Look in your fucking mirrors next time you twat'

[mrchips]

Zero... I'm usually behind or in front. Never beside a car long enough for them to swerve.... happy days :-)

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[Big Dog]

Zero... I'm usually behind or in front. Never beside a car long enough for them to swerve.... happy days :-)

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Clearly not in Dorkland then.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[mrchips]

There's usually a couple of nose to tails a week in wellywood, can be a bit dicey sometimes. I always say..... if in doubt, get the fuck out.

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[Big Dog]

There's usually a couple of nose to tails a week in wellywood, can be a bit dicey sometimes. I always say..... if in doubt, get the fuck out.

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In dorks it is usually safer to be lane sitting than sitting in line waiting for your number to come up.


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[mrchips]

it is usually safer to be lane sitting than sitting in line waiting for your number to come up.

Ain't that the truth

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[yevjenko]

This

oh definitely this


tapped their wing mirror with my finger as a gesture of 'Look in your fucking mirrors next time you twat'

[swbarnett]

The most recent one was whilst filtering, and someone just casually moving over as I am almost right on top of them. Slowed down and tapped their wing mirror with my finger as a gesture of 'Look in your fucking mirrors next time you twat'
Was this the car to your left or right?

[TheDemonLord]

Car was on my Left,

[swbarnett]

Car was on my Left,
Then you're right. They should've checked for someone legitimately sharing their lane.

[Berries]

Then you're right. They should've checked for someone legitimately sharing their lane.
Maybe they should, but many won't. There are two or three lanes for traffic so people expect two or three lanes of traffic. As soon as you make it four by splitting you shouldn't be surprised when someone closes the gap. Perhaps they were moving over for a bike on the other side of them?

Any rider who wags his finger at me and taps my mirror when splitting is likely to find the gap smaller next time. Arrogant wanker. Poor bloke following might be in for a surprise as well. Perhaps that is the reason motorists swerve at bikes and close gaps, previous experience with arseholes?

[yevjenko]

Who said anything about splitting when another bike is on the other side? What crap. If you've got any common sense you wouldn't split along side another bike doing that. Arrogant? For telling you to use your mirrors? Where the hell do you get off? And you're a biker too... ffs

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[Berries]

Who said anything about splitting when another bike is on the other side? What crap. If you've got any common sense you wouldn't split along side another bike doing that. Arrogant? For telling you to use your mirrors? Where the hell do you get off? And you're a biker too... ffs

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With all the different threads on KB you can see that while it is an accepted practice by some it is not specifically approved in legislation but you can use the way the legislation is written to condone it. That's fine - I filter every day. A car driver does not give a shit about that though and does not give a shit about a motorbike rider who, in their eyes is flouting the law by undertaking/overtaking/splitting whatever you want to call it. So they start off in a position of thinking you are breaking the rules and then you go and piss them off further by giving them a lesson on borderline riding techniques. Way to go. Drivers won't check, they will change lanes suddenly and without indicating. Accept it, deal it and forget it.

[TheDemonLord]

With all the different threads on KB you can see that while it is an accepted practice by some it is not specifically approved in legislation but you can use the way the legislation is written to condone it. That's fine - I filter every day. A car driver does not give a shit about that though and does not give a shit about a motorbike rider who, in their eyes is flouting the law by undertaking/overtaking/splitting whatever you want to call it. So they start off in a position of thinking you are breaking the rules and then you go and piss them off further by giving them a lesson on borderline riding techniques. Way to go. Drivers won't check, they will change lanes suddenly and without indicating. Accept it, deal it and forget it.

So, what you are saying is that Ignorance on the part of the driver is a perfectly valid reason for not doing the most basic of basic checks (mirror, Signal, manoeuvre) AND when politely pointed out to them, they have every right to subsequently drive in a manner that is equal to using their vehicle as a weapon....

I am sorry - but what combination of legal, illegal and prescription drugs are you currently taking - I cannot comprehend how you would not only infer this, but also justify deliberate aggressive action by a motorist against another motorist. Especially when you ride, filter and are presumably well aware of how well Car vs Bike ends up....

[yevjenko]

With all the different threads on KB you can see that while it is an accepted practice by some it is not specifically approved in legislation but you can use the way the legislation is written to condone it. That's fine - I filter every day. A car driver does not give a shit about that though and does not give a shit about a motorbike rider who, in their eyes is flouting the law by undertaking/overtaking/splitting whatever you want to call it. So they start off in a position of thinking you are breaking the rules and then you go and piss them off further by giving them a lesson on borderline riding techniques. Way to go. Drivers won't check, they will change lanes suddenly and without indicating. Accept it, deal it and forget it.

I'm almost with you, but, I will never accept people moving without checking their surroundings. A reminder to check their mirrors it's never a bad thing for someone who is not fully alert

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[Katman]

So, what you are saying is that Ignorance on the part of the driver is a perfectly valid reason for not doing the most basic of basic checks (mirror, Signal, manoeuvre) AND when politely pointed out to them, they have every right to subsequently drive in a manner that is equal to using their vehicle as a weapon....

I am sorry - but what combination of legal, illegal and prescription drugs are you currently taking - I cannot comprehend how you would not only infer this, but also justify deliberate aggressive action by a motorist against another motorist. Especially when you ride, filter and are presumably well aware of how well Car vs Bike ends up....

You sound young......







.....and stupid.

[TheDemonLord]

You sound young......







.....and stupid.

You sound pretentious

And a Cock.


(see two can play at that game)

Just because bad driving is to be anticipated and expected, does not mean it should either be accepted or condoned.

[Katman]

You sound pretentious

And a Cock.


(see two can play at that game)

Just because bad driving is to be anticipated and expected, does not mean it should either be accepted or condoned.

You've already proven you can't lane split safely.

Perhaps you should stick to public transport.

[Erelyes]

So, what you are saying is that Ignorance on the part of the driver is a perfectly valid reason for not doing the most basic of basic checks (mirror, Signal, manoeuvre) AND when politely pointed out to them, they have every right to subsequently drive in a manner that is equal to using their vehicle as a weapon....

Actually I don't think he was saying that at all, and you know it.

[Katman]

Actually I don't think he was saying that at all, and you know it.

That's what an over inflated sense of self entitlement gets you.

[TheDemonLord]

You've already proven you can't lane split safely.

Perhaps you should stick to public transport.

Oh I see,

Not only are you pretentious, but also you appear to be the lord high priest of Motorcycle riding*



*except you haven't seen me ride, you haven't got any evidence to support your claims other than the fact that I posted on here to say that I locked the front brake while filtering and came off.

So kindly get off your high horse, Remove whatever you have wedged high in your colon and move along.

[Katman]

Motorcyclists inability to lane split/filter safely (and the bitching and moaning they direct at other road users to mask their own inadequacies) will only lead to one thing - any form of lane splitting/filtering will become illegal.

It's time motorcyclists stopped and realised that the onus is on them to split/filter in a safe and considerate manner.

[Katman]

Not only are you pretentious, but also you appear to be the lord high priest of Motorcycle riding*


Are you new here?

[TheDemonLord]

Motorcyclists inability to lane split/filter safely (and the bitching and moaning they direct at other road users to mask their own inadequacies) will only lead to one thing - any form of lane splitting/filtering will become illegal.

It's time motorcyclists stopped and realised that the onus is on them to split/filter in a safe and considerate manner.

There is an onus on us - I agree, but there is also a responsibility for every car driver to ALSO drive in a safe and considerate manner - something that is often neglected in the filtering debate.

[Katman]

There is an onus on us - I agree, but there is also a responsibility for every car driver to ALSO drive in a safe and considerate manner - something that is often neglected in the filtering debate.

Reread the post again.

[swbarnett]

Maybe they should, but many won't. There are two or three lanes for traffic so people expect two or three lanes of traffic. As soon as you make it four by splitting you shouldn't be surprised when someone closes the gap. Perhaps they were moving over for a bike on the other side of them?
Totally agree.


Any rider who wags his finger at me and taps my mirror when splitting is likely to find the gap smaller next time. Arrogant wanker. Poor bloke following might be in for a surprise as well. Perhaps that is the reason motorists swerve at bikes and close gaps, previous experience with arseholes?
Pot, meet kettle.

[buggerit]

Have had a couple - but most I think are people being dumbasses as opposed to deliberately swerving at me.

The most recent one was whilst filtering, and someone just casually moving over as I am almost right on top of them. Slowed down and tapped their wing mirror with my finger as a gesture of 'Look in your fucking mirrors next time you twat'

A friendly wave may have been more productive, calms you down, driver realises they have made a mistake and you are telling them you noted their mistake but have a nice day, driver is left calm and without agro feelings towards bikers and a self reminder to check mirrors.

[Mike.Gayner]

....and another thread devolves into usual KB bitch fighting.

[TheDemonLord]

....and another thread devolves into usual KB bitch fighting.

bitch fight?



I haven't even begun to pull out my Handbag....

[haydes55]

There is an onus on us - I agree, but there is also a responsibility for every car driver to ALSO drive in a safe and considerate manner - something that is often neglected in the filtering debate.


Exactly..... So ride to accommodate for the drivers who don't take responsibility.

As the vehicle being where you shouldn't be, it is your responsibility to make sure you do so safely, expect the worst, prepare for any situation and get out alive.

If you expect every driver to check there wing mirrors, you will end up under a car. I remember talking with a girl at work a few years back, she had just sat her full license, she said "I was so nervous, I didn't know when I was supposed to look in my wing mirrors, so I just looked at them every 30 seconds to be safe"....... This girl had sat her full license, and the first time she ever used her wing mirrors was in her full test. No doubt she now ignores them.... And chances are you lane split past her on your commute. Worst of all, she is not alone..... Aside from the fact she is a twin.

[TheDemonLord]

Exactly..... So ride to accommodate for the drivers who don't take responsibility.

As the vehicle being where you shouldn't be, it is your responsibility to make sure you do so safely, expect the worst, prepare for any situation and get out alive.

Yes - I agree - however, the point I was making is that condoning or advocating for drivers who fail to take responsibility isn't right.

Yes I ride to survive and Yes sometimes that means taking proactive action to make sure that Mr Derp doesn't end up with bits of me smeared over his car - but we can also whilst accepting the risks of riding, talk about how it shouldn't be the sole responsibility of the rider to make sure they are safe and a greater emphasis should be placed on car drivers to drive in a safe and considerate manner

[Katman]

....but we can also whilst accepting the risks of riding, talk about how it shouldn't be the sole responsibility of the rider to make sure they are safe and a greater emphasis should be placed on car drivers to drive in a safe and considerate manner

Why? It won't make the slightest bit of difference.

The only person you have control over is yourself.

[TheDemonLord]

Why? It won't make the slightest bit of difference.

The only person you have control over is yourself.

Allow me to ride with an RPG7v2 for a couple of months and $10 says it will make a difference....

As soon as the consequences of bad driving are felt by the culprits, we will see driving improve - either by people learning from the mistakes of others, or by Darwinian evolution

[swbarnett]

Why? It won't make the slightest bit of difference.

The only person you have control over is yourself.
I think you're both correct. Yes, by all means hold drivers to account when they act in a dangerous manner. At the same time the ONLY person ultimately responsible for a rider's safety is the rider.

[Katman]

Allow me to ride with an RPG7v2 for a couple of months and $10 says it will make a difference....



Please refer back to post #116.

Life sounds like one big video game to you.

[TheDemonLord]

Please refer back to post #116.

If you refer me to post 116, I will refer to post 117 ad infinitum and then we end up in a continuous loop for all eternity

[The Reibz]

Could you please fuck up? Cheers

[Katman]

If you refer me to post 116, I will refer to post 117 ad infinitum and then we end up in a continuous loop for all eternity

At least that beats listening to you having a cry.

[TheDemonLord]

At least that beats listening to you having a cry.

It would seem that your skill of being able to tell someones riding skill level from internet posts is exceeded only by your hearing and reading comprehension....

[imdying]

I've been riding longer than I've been driving, and I don't make any allowances for lane splitters. Don't block them, but don't look or expect them. Don't remember reading anything in the Road Code about splitting, so isn't even in my thought process.

Splitting moving traffic is, and always has been, for retards; stationary cars don't smear you over the pavement. I've been that retard before.

[Paul in NZ]

Allow me to ride with an RPG7v2 for a couple of months and $10 says it will make a difference....

As soon as the consequences of bad driving are felt by the culprits, we will see driving improve - either by people learning from the mistakes of others, or by Darwinian evolution

Identifing the culprit is the issue...

I drive into town sometimes during rush hour. When on the motorway in heavy traffic trundling along at (say) 80kph I look in my mirrors way more often than most but I can usually only see at best 5 cars back. I'm often caught out by motorcycles splitting past me at speed and I hardly ever see them coming. If I need to change lanes I indicate check the mirror and move across. I can only see 5 cars back and if you are moving 30 or 40 kph faster than me I will end up driving over you... I just can't see you in a place where you are not supposed to be...

[imdying]

It would seem that your skill of being able to tell someones riding skill level from internet posts is exceeded only by your hearing and reading comprehension....You're new here, on a 250, which means you're probably a new rider. Much of your survival instinct on a bike is hard won through raw experience. Those things, combined with your I'm in the right holy crusader attitude, which appears to be yet to be taken from you via some good old fashioned pain, paints you as new and inexperienced. I'd say he's probably on the money.

[swbarnett]

Splitting moving traffic is, and always has been, for retards
Come and live in Auckland for a while.

[TheDemonLord]

You're new here, on a 250, which means you're probably a new rider. Much of your survival instinct on a bike is hard won through raw experience. Those things, combined with your I'm in the right holy crusader attitude, which appears to be yet to be taken from you via some good old fashioned pain, paints you as new and inexperienced. I'd say he's probably on the money.

There is a lot of probably in your statement, compared to the absolute certainty without any objective proof of Katman's post.

If you must know - I have been riding for about a year - doing 110 Km a day, 5 days a week, with a 1 month exception which was when I binned my bike by grabbing the front brake in traffic (was filtering too fast for the conditions in-case you are interested) Tore several ligaments in my thumb, not to mention the cost of a new Jacket, Gloves and Helmet.

All that said - where and how does that justify a car driver changing lanes without checking their mirrors?

[Katman]

(was filtering too fast for the conditions in-case you are interested)

So I was right then?

[imdying]

Yup, young dumb and full of cum. Katman's post still stands. Even though I've explained it to you, I still don't expect you to get it. You will though, just keeping your pink bits all functioning till then is the fun bit :)

[TheDemonLord]

So I was right then?

If you mean that at some point in my riding I have made a mistake, then yes - but that is not what you are claiming is it? in which case no, you aren't right

[imdying]

All that said - where and how does that justify a car driver changing lanes without checking their mirrors?In case you need another heads up, this is the bit you're still not getting.

Who gives a flying fuck about what the cagers are doing, you don't have any control over them.

[Katman]

If you mean that at some point in my riding I have made a mistake, then yes - but that is not what you are claiming is it? in which case no, you aren't right

No, I mean this bit....


You've already proven you can't lane split safely.

[imdying]

Try to remember that they're (generally) not out to get you. They don't hate bikers, far from it, you simply don't feature on their radar. They don't know about bikes, think about bikes, or care about them. Yes that's a shit situation for you as a rider, but I implore you to ride with that in mind. When you put yourself into situations that are atypical for drivers, you're putting yourself in harms way. You ain't gonna change the world.

[TheDemonLord]

No, I mean the part where I said you've already proven you don't know how to lane split safely.

Ah, I see.

So, if someone makes a mistake doing something once, then it is proven that they don't know how to do that action for all eternity.

Great Logic there - 10/10 - Would debate again

[bogan]

All that said - where and how does that justify a car driver changing lanes without checking their mirrors?

As others have said, justification doesn't really come into it. That's why many don't split at speed, because if the car is not moving fast they will give more warning (and have less opportunities in a logjam) to skittle you by changing lanes suddenly.
Learning to read cars' position/attitude is something that takes a while, but it is very much worth learning and remaining open minded towards.

[Erelyes]

There is a lot of probably in your statement, compared to the absolute certainty without any objective proof of Katman's post.

Behold! The duck objects to being labelled as such - despite its quack, it may have actually been a goose.


All that said - where and how does that justify a car driver changing lanes without checking their mirrors?

What justifies a car driver changing lanes without their mirrors is that they're not robots. Humans make mistakes. Just like you made one.

[Erelyes]

Ah, I see.

So, if someone makes a mistake doing something once, then it is proven that they don't know how to do that action for all eternity.

Great Logic there - 10/10 - Would debate again

So is your thought process, 'I've made that mistake once - thus I won't make it again'? Cos that's great logic too.

[TheDemonLord]

So is your thought process, 'I've made that mistake once - thus I won't make it again'? Cos that's great logic too.

Y'ah know that the above statement could be considered one of the cornerstones of Human progress - thus yes, it is brilliant logic.

But don't just take my word for it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error

[Erelyes]

Y'ah know that the above statement could be considered one of the cornerstones of Human progress - thus yes, it is brilliant logic.

But don't just take my word for it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error

Oh, no doubt that learning from your mistakes will make you a better rider. But thinking for one minute that the same thing couldn't happen again is foolhardy.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh, no doubt that learning from your mistakes will make you a better rider. But thinking for one minute that the same thing couldn't happen again is foolhardy.

Then we are in actual fact agreeing, just from different sides of the fence.

[Big Dog]

When we are travelling in separate lanes, especially in opposite directions the only thing separating us is a 2-3 wide strip of paint and a gentlemans agreement not to cross it without adhering to other agreements. Agreements set out in the road code and tacitly agreed to by your application for a license to operate your chosen weapon.

Unfortunately for us this agreement does not offer us protection from others we pass when lane splitting, irrespective of lane or lane position. Lane splitting is not defined as a legal activity under the rules.
Ergo it is not part of the contract with car drivers that they should provide us due consideration.
This leaves us only the humanity of our actions set the level for the next biker the driver encounters because most car drivers cannot differentiate a yellow Ducati from a red gn250.

Add to that the fact you will always come off worse and I don't care if you have right of way. Always ride defensively and courteously and you "might" live or some other person you share the road with may not adhere to the agreement that paint may separate us.


I know every time I put my helmet on I am dependent on my skill as a rider to get where I am going.
To a degree I am also counting on others around me to forgive my transgressions much as I choose to forgive theirs.

Let it not be said that I died defending my right of way but that I lived to enjoy the ride an get home safe to my family.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Berries]

So, what you are saying is that Ignorance on the part of the driver is a perfectly valid reason for not doing the most basic of basic checks (mirror, Signal, manoeuvre) AND when politely pointed out to them, they have every right to subsequently drive in a manner that is equal to using their vehicle as a weapon.....
I think this has moved on now but I'll answer anyway. Tapping a wing mirror is not politely pointing something out, it is some filthy biker trying to knock the mirror off. You know what your intent is and the reason for it, they don't have a clue and probably won't even pick up the message that you want them to. Maybe they did mirror, signal and manoeuvre, just as you were splitting through their blind spot. Who knows what they were thinking? Whatever it was, it is not worth stressing about.



Try to remember that they're (generally) not out to get you. They don't hate bikers, far from it, you simply don't feature on their radar. They don't know about bikes, think about bikes, or care about them. Yes that's a shit situation for you as a rider, but I implore you to ride with that in mind. When you put yourself into situations that are atypical for drivers, you're putting yourself in harms way. You ain't gonna change the world.
He's on to it. Although if you really do think that they are out to get you you are probably right. It might be me in the wife's Vulva.

[TheDemonLord]

I think this has moved on now but I'll answer anyway. Tapping a wing mirror is not politely pointing something out, it is some filthy biker trying to knock the mirror off. You know what your intent is and the reason for it, they don't have a clue and probably won't even pick up the message that you want them to. Maybe they did mirror, signal and manoeuvre, just as you were splitting through their blind spot. Who knows what they were thinking? Whatever it was, it is not worth stressing about.

Ah,

I think I see where the confusion has arisen- when I say tap the mirror - I did not mean tapping as in trying to knock the mirror off (as in slapping it with my hand) I meant tap as in a single finger pointing/tapping the top of the mirror.

If I had actually slapped the mirror as you thought I meant - then yes, that would be an extremely arsehole move

[Big Dog]

Ah,

I think I see where the confusion has arisen- when I say tap the mirror - I did not mean tapping as in trying to knock the mirror off (as in slapping it with my hand) I meant tap as in a single finger pointing/tapping the top of the mirror.

If I had actually slapped the mirror as you thought I meant - then yes, that would be an extremely arsehole move
The trouble is:
The typical road user cannot tell the difference between an l plate on a gn250 and a hells angel on a wide glide bagger.
Most car drivers I know would find that extremely intimidating. Especially if they did not know you were there. Many would swerve away. Hoping nothing was in the next lane.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GingerMidget]

In my limited experience (2 odd years riding) I can safely say the amount of people swerving on purpose in about 1% of the people swerving because they got a fright. One minute there isn't a bike and then bam its right there.

Peak hour traffic is one of the most likely times you'll encounter this as people driving home are thinking about food, sleep, work etc. Not everyone is distracted but not everyone is 100% there either.

Close monitoring of whats happening around you, and the knowledge that it only takes a split second for things to go pear shaped is the best way I've found to making it around in one piece. I'm not claiming to be perfect, but I am careful and I like to make attempts at making myself more visible for those who might not have seen me. It appears to be working up until now.

Bottom line is, prepare for the unexpected. Nothing in life is certain, much less the behaviour of other people.

[buggerit]

In my limited experience (2 odd years riding) I can safely say the amount of people swerving on purpose in about 1% of the people swerving because they got a fright. One minute there isn't a bike and then bam its right there.

Peak hour traffic is one of the most likely times you'll encounter this as people driving home are thinking about food, sleep, work etc. Not everyone is distracted but not everyone is 100% there either.

Close monitoring of whats happening around you, and the knowledge that it only takes a split second for things to go pear shaped is the best way I've found to making it around in one piece. I'm not claiming to be perfect, but I am careful and I like to make attempts at making myself more visible for those who might not have seen me. It appears to be working up until now.

Bottom line is, prepare for the unexpected. Nothing in life is certain, much less the behaviour of other people.

Happy birthday:bleh:

[GingerMidget]

Bahaha someone was bound to spot it eventually!
Cheers.

[AD345]

Well I don't know what the fuck you lot are all doing but the only swerving I come across is motorists swerving AWAY from me...

[granstar]

Slightly off topic iv'e had a share of shit thrown at me, tossed lit cigarette butts is very common, a car full of teen hoons smashing beer bottles in front of me.

One day i copped a large teddy, but figured it was a childs action of dropping it out a window. Took it to the Police station, it wasn't claimed, so me and Ted sleep now soundly at nights :yes:

[russd7]

Slightly off topic iv'e had a share of shit thrown at me, tossed lit cigarette butts is very common, a car full of teen hoons smashing beer bottles in front of me.

One day i copped a large teddy, but figured it was a childs action of dropping it out a window. Took it to the Police station, it wasn't claimed, so me and Ted sleep now soundly at nights :yes:

hells teeth, jazz and the mousetrap will get jealous iffin they find out :mega:

[granstar]

Oh yeah shit from other riders, happens all the time ;)

[russd7]

speaking of shite bein thrown from cars, have experienced the odd balloon bein tossed out of cars also :wings::wings: just another bloody good ride

[WNJ]

speaking of shite bein thrown from cars, have experienced the odd balloon bein tossed out of cars also

They were used condoms :eek:

[ruaphu]

Yep, coped a mitsi ute recklessly thrown in to my lane on friday morning without so much as flick of the indicator, look in the mirror or a glance over the shoulder all on a slick road, mid corner with no where to run whilst punting my less than nimble 400kg vulcan!
Managed to 'only just' dodge the dopey old fecker with less than a few inches to spare, correct my direction and give the noddy a decent dose of finger gestures. Be buggered if i can get the skid mark out of the ole bike pants thou, lol


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[mstriumph]

................. However, every day car drivers move over to the left to make it easier for me to filter or overtake.
.....................

me too? (Jon says it's because they've heard about my driving, but he's joking ... I think? :confused:)