Overtaking stationary cars through roadworks?

[Denali]

Hi

As you are all probably aware there is a lot of road works in Christchurch, one particular section of road on my way to work has both shoulders closed with two lanes hard on one side of the road.

There is always a bottle neck but with little traffic coming the otherway I sometimes I slip in between the cones, overtake and pull back in at the lights.

During the said manoeuvre I do not exceed 30km/h and there is no oncoming traffic just seems like a regular overtake, any comments on the legality?

Main reason I ask as I've acquired a nemesis in one of the road crew who waits for me then runs out into my path to get me to pull back in in an aggressive manner, I saw him take down my plate and assume he has probably reported me

Any comments are appreciated,

Cheers

[rickstv]

not surprised they get upset. they expect to be able to carry out their jobs in safety and not expecting someone to come blasting through their work place.

[pritch]

Don't know about the South Island but in the North 30kph isn't usually characterised as "blasting".

Here's to your signature line. :apint:

[unstuck]

Law breaker, be prepared to be punished. To the full extent of the law.:blink:

[Mattr]

Yeah your in big trouble , by the way what is the best hotel to stay in Christchurch where we can walk to pub an resturants? Flash is good.

[Vinz0r]

I can kind of understand where the guy is coming from, I wouldn't want motorcycles riding through my workplace either. The cones are there for a reason; if there is a construction crew around you should respect the fact that they put them their to create a safe area in which to work.

[BigAl]

Fuck all of them actually work though!

[Gremlin]

Fuck all of them actually work though!

They all have roles though!

[Kendoll]

I've acquired a nemesis in one of the road crew who waits for me then runs out into my path to get me to pull back in in an aggressive manner, I saw him take down my plate and assume he has probably reported me

...Unfortunately acquiring nemeses appears to go hand-in-hand with riding a bike like it's a bike and not a car (ie. not sitting in traffic) :facepalm:

[willytheekid]

:facepalm:Yeaaah...naaaaahh :no:

Don't do that mate...you know "WHY" those lanes are being blocked off aye?...cos there constantly digging holes!...and there usually "just" big enough to take a bike & rider :laugh: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9585934/Courier-hurt-during-fall-into-deep-hole

Seriously tho...don't do that, you hit one of those road worker boys...he may not be the only one going to hospital!:crazy:

OH!...and a certain KBer on here called Rastuscat...WILL shove his uniformed boot up your arse if he catches ya endangering yourself & others!

Ride safe and try to weather the shit arse roads and traffic round town, I hear ya in regards to the hold ups etc, but those cones are there for good reason, and it only takes one fuck up to feel the same pain the poor ol courier guy...just try to leave early for work etc so u don't have to rush or the feel the need to make up time :niceone:

[Madness]

I reckon you should buy a new keyboard before you're too skint from paying the hefty fines you're no doubt going to receive.

[Tazz]

From the way I read it your overtaking in the opposite lane? Like a lane that would have traffic moving through it, but because there is none you're using it to pass traffic that is stationary at a conservative and legal speed?
If that is the case, I can't say it is the smartest move to do, however I don't see how it would be illegal or why anyone would have a problem with it. I mean, it is a lane for traffic anyway...

If you're rocking on through a buffer zone the workers have from traffic or something then I doubt you're in the 'right' legally.

[Akzle]

Yeah your in big trouble , by the way what is the best hotel to stay in Christchurch where we can walk to pub an resturants? Flash is good.

stay at the yha. Shit's badass. Dux nuts, "town", doobie on the von, copshop.
repeat as necesary.

[Akzle]

as for the point,
always go straight to the front of roadworks queues.
If some nagger is giving you shit, pop a wheelie and flip him the bird, he obviously needs to learn that youre a far more evolved being and can do whatever the fuck you want.
Bonus points for having a mullet.

[PrincessBandit]

stay at the yha. Shit's badass. Dux nuts, "town", doobie on the von, copshop.
repeat as necesary.

You talk soooooo dirrrrrty!

+1 to wot willytheekid sed

[Mattr]

willy three kids has an awesome signature

[JimO]

as for the point,
always go straight to the front of roadworks queues.
If some nagger is giving you shit, pop a wheelie and flip him the bird, he obviously needs to learn that youre a far more evolved being and can do whatever the fuck you want.
Bonus points for having a mullet.
no jews?.....

[awayatc]

You'd think living in Christchurch be punishment enough......

[Berries]

There is always a bottle neck but with little traffic coming the otherway I sometimes I slip in between the cones, overtake and pull back in at the lights.

During the said manoeuvre I do not exceed 30km/h and there is no oncoming traffic just seems like a regular overtake, any comments on the legality?

Main reason I ask as I've acquired a nemesis in one of the road crew who waits for me then runs out into my path to get me to pull back in in an aggressive manner, I saw him take down my plate and assume he has probably reported me

Any comments are appreciated
Have a look at the Road User Rule, Section 2.3 (1)(e) -

2.3 Use of lanes
(1) A driver, when driving, must not use—
(a) a lane that has been declared unavailable by an overhead traffic signal showing a red diagonal cross; or
(b) on a two-way roadway marked in 2 or more lanes, a lane on the right side of the centre line unless the driver is passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction; or
(c) on a two-way roadway marked in 3 lanes,—
(i) the lane on the right side of the roadway; or
(ii) the centre lane unless the driver is turning right into another roadway or a vehicle entrance or is passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction; or
(d) a lane to the driver’s right of a no-passing line; or
(e) the area on the right side of a row of traffic cones or other delineators placed so that they separate traffic travelling in opposite directions.


So yeah, you're nicked.

[Big Dog]

If the other side is closed your on questionable ground at best. Most road crews pull a cone out of the way and wave me through if the queues are that long.


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[Kornholio]

You're on a Gixxer so you own the road...Coming through :)

[Maha]

Hi

As you are all probably aware there is a lot of road works in Christchurch, one particular section of road on my way to work has both shoulders closed with two lanes hard on one side of the road.

There is always a bottle neck but with little traffic coming the otherway I sometimes I slip in between the cones, overtake and pull back in at the lights.

During the said manoeuvre I do not exceed 30km/h and there is no oncoming traffic just seems like a regular overtake, any comments on the legality?

Main reason I ask as I've acquired a nemesis in one of the road crew who waits for me then runs out into my path to get me to pull back in in an aggressive manner, I saw him take down my plate and assume he has probably reported me

Any comments are appreciated,

Cheers

Sitting in a queue at a Stop/Go controlled area a few years ago, I witnessed a group (maybe 20?) of 1%ers cruise on by, in the lane that was free for the northbound traffic to use, causing the vehicles in that lane to move over in what was already a narrow bit of road due to the roadwork's. Stop/Go guy didn't saying anything to them.

[PrincessBandit]

Sitting in a queue at a Stop/Go controlled area a few years ago, I witnessed a group (maybe 20?) of 1%ers cruise on by, in the lane that was free for the northbound traffic to use, causing the vehicles in that lane to move over in what was already a narrow bit of road due to the roadwork's. Stop/Go guy didn't saying anything to them.

a group that size - intimidated perhaps?

[Akzle]

no jews?.....

didnt notice any...? Did i miss some? Must be slipping.

[DMNTD]

Hi

As you are all probably aware there is a lot of road works in Christchurch, one particular section of road on my way to work has both shoulders closed with two lanes hard on one side of the road.

There is always a bottle neck but with little traffic coming the otherway I sometimes I slip in between the cones, overtake and pull back in at the lights.

During the said manoeuvre I do not exceed 30km/h and there is no oncoming traffic just seems like a regular overtake, any comments on the legality?

Main reason I ask as I've acquired a nemesis in one of the road crew who waits for me then runs out into my path to get me to pull back in in an aggressive manner, I saw him take down my plate and assume he has probably reported me

Any comments are appreciated,

Cheers

With some of the roadworks I've seen laid out I'm not surprised why you do it.
St Asaph St is a prime example. No one is actually on site, the coned off area is safe to ride on, yet it's coned off and simply pisses people off.
I've seen 10 other examples about the place too.
I'd sneak up too if I was on my bike but maybe just pull into the traffic sooner, well before the workers

[pzkpfw]

I'm not sure I can articulate it well, but it feels like there is a difference between taking advantage of the natural benefits of riding a bike, and simply "jumping the queue" and being an arse. This is something I've been thinking about lately, as there are some things bikes do on the road that piss me off, and some things that don't.

Splitting on the motorway, for example, I see no issue with and happily do it myself. Middle of nowhere (more or less), a long way to go an no-one given any trouble. I don't filter, but I've got no issue with bikes filtering at the bigger straighter intersections. (I do get annoyed by the ones filtering at the Terrace exit, who go 'round the right of the cars turning left (getting in the way) and who don't seem to respect the pedestrian crossing well enough.)

But in the car on the way to work, we're sometimes stuck in a long line of cars waiting for the Terrace exit (heading into Wellington). Twice in the last couple of months a vehicle (one was a Porsche SUV, one was some regular station wagon) has driven up the left side of all the waiting cars, using the shoulder of the road, just to go past all the cars and squeeze in at the end. (This is not when people use the shoulder to pass the Terrace traffic when it's backed up all the way to Murphy st and they want that exit in-between; this is passing queued cars to go to the same exit as them). Unless they had to get their pregnant wife to hospital or something, that's just annoying queue jumping.

I think, maybe, the rational difference in my head is the effect of everyone doing it.

For example, if every bike on the motorway splits, well, it's no big deal (they mostly do already) and they just happily flow on down between the cars. Nobody troubled.

But what if 50% of the cars waiting for the Terrace exit decided to use the shoulder to try to go past the other 50%? That'd just be chaos.

So road cones and road works; I'm thinking that's a case where the "rules" ought to just be followed. Someone has decided there are dangerous road conditions; or maybe the roadside workers need safe space. Just respect it. That's a place where if everybody started making up their own rules, there'd be chaos.

[pritch]

Have a look at the Road User Rule, Section 2.3 (1)(e) -

2.3 Use of lanes
(1) A driver, when driving, must not use—

(e) the area on the right side of a row of traffic cones or other delineators placed so that they separate traffic travelling in opposite directions.


So yeah, you're nicked.

Nah! Nothing about riders it only mentions drivers. :whistle:

[Denali]

Just to clarify

Like said above I don't believe 30kph would be considered blasting anywhere and I'm not riding through anyone's worksite its through a lane/on the road with an absence of oncoming traffic. the road cones are the real differentiating factor

Re "2.3 Use of lanes
(1) A driver, when driving, must not use—

(e) the area on the right side of a row of traffic cones or other delineators placed so that they separate traffic travelling in opposite directions."[/[/I]I]

The area on the right side is the oncoming lane so its not laid out black and white

Cheers

[Berries]

Just to clarify

Re "2.3 Use of lanes
(1) A driver, when driving, must not use—

(e) the area on the right side of a row of traffic cones or other delineators placed so that they separate traffic travelling in opposite directions."[/[/I]I]

The area on the right side is the oncoming lane so its not laid out black and white
You've confused me now. The traffic in your direction is on the left hand side of the cones with traffic coming towards you, if there was any, on the right hand side of the cones. In that case the cones separate traffic travelling in opposite directions and you are not complying with this part of the rule. Seems black and white to me. I might need a picture.

[Madness]

I think there's a typo in the OP's username, the I at the end should appear right after the N.

[Maha]

a group that size - intimidated perhaps?

'Arrogant fuckers' was the term sprung to mind at the time Dawn.

[willytheekid]

Will edit and post a vid from yesterdays ride home and will post tonight.

...of all the things to catch on film after this thread! :killingme

Cyclist riding down a coned off lane...and sure enough, the road workers get pissed off and "try" to wave him out of it (cyclist, being a prick, just ignored them, stayed in the coned off lane and yell at the guy to move out of his way?...:facepalm:)

...go figure aye

Ride safe KBers :love:

[willytheekid]

As promised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mqWnlx-GqQ&feature=youtu.be

sorry couldn't be bothered uploading HD :yawn:...but ya get the point

[Gremlin]

Probably a whole lot safer for the fella to be there, than squeezed between cones and cars, some of that section wasn't very wide I think...

[unstuck]

As promised



sorry couldn't be bothered uploading HD :yawn:...but ya get the point

Goodness, you are actually riding one of those dangerous motorcycle thingys. Please be careful out there, They are so unpredictable.:crazy:

[willytheekid]

Goodness, you are actually riding one of those dangerous motorcycle thingys. Please be careful out there, They are so unpredictable.:crazy:


Pffft<_<...what could possibly...

295106

:blink:...I see your point

[mulletman]

As promised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mqWnlx-GqQ&feature=youtu.be

sorry couldn't be bothered uploading HD :yawn:...but ya get the point

Nice sounding hoonda Willy.

[pritch]

Probably a whole lot safer for the fella to be there, than squeezed between cones and cars, some of that section wasn't very wide I think...

The cyclist is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I recently saw a foaming-at-the-mouth rant by a headcase who was held up behind a cyclist in a similar situation. The cyclist was actually doing the right thing by staying in the middle of the only available lane, there being no room to pass between the cones, but the car driver was absolutely furious at being held up for a few seconds.

The only choice would appear to be who to piss off, the road workers or the drivers?

[Banditbandit]

Speed through road works is not just about safety - it's also about getting a good smooth finish on the road. My old man , who was a road engineer at one time, used to get really pissed off at people speeding across unfinished roads or road repairs - because they damaged the surface and then they complained about the "poor road" ...

At 30kph most vehicles just cruise through, without using brakes, without turning the wheel and putting too much stress on the dirt surface.

Anything more than 30kph and the road starts to break up a little - and as cars go over it breaks up even more ... every brake, every gear change, every change of direction marks the surface and makes for hard work to get it smooth again.

So - if you want a nice smooth road to ride on - stay at 30kph or under ...

[pzkpfw]

Speed through road works is not just about safety - it's also about getting a good smooth finish on the road. My old man , who was a road engineer at one time, used to get really pissed off at people speeding across unfinished roads or road repairs - because they damaged the surface and then they complained about the "poor road" ...

At 30kph most vehicles just cruise through, without using brakes, without turning the wheel and putting too much stress on the dirt surface.

Anything more than 30kph and the road starts to break up a little - and as cars go over it breaks up even more ... every brake, every gear change, every change of direction marks the surface and makes for hard work to get it smooth again.

So - if you want a nice smooth road to ride on - stay at 30kph or under ...

Geez, yeah. We've had a section of road re-sealed near my house. As soon as the speed limit signs went away, everyone seemed to go back to doing 60 (in the 50 k area).

Not only can you see the surface being affected, the fuckers spray their own and my cars/bike with stones.

Drove through in the wifes' car the other day at 20 k with some Hyundai sedan right up my arse, obviously frustrated by my "speed", trying to monster me to go faster - for what? 50 metres of "agony"? Arse.

(So really I'm just going the long way for now).

[rastuscat]

:corn:

Interesting seeing all the discussion on this. The hammer is about to fall........

[Taxythingy]

The cyclist is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

As a long-time cyclist, I've found that cagers are a lot more accommodating if you make an effort. Or at least look like you're making an effort.

[neels]

Will edit and post a vid from yesterdays ride home and will post tonight.

...of all the things to catch on film after this thread! :killingme

Cyclist riding down a coned off lane...and sure enough, the road workers get pissed off and "try" to wave him out of it (cyclist, being a prick, just ignored them, stayed in the coned off lane and yell at the guy to move out of his way?...:facepalm:)
Can't see the problem.

He's come from inside the cones, which are placed to make an entire lane unusable for a 50cm wide trench, leaving no room for a cyclist with the other traffic. I'd be riding there too, if I'm in town and the choice is rubbing shoulders with cars or on the left of the cones, it's on the left of the cones every time.

[willytheekid]

:corn:

The hammer is about to fall........

Good song! :woohoo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyka1gkodo
...unsure how this helps the OP tho :confused: (And I only warned him about your right boot!:eek5:...u carry hammers now??:crazy:)

[TheDemonLord]

Good song! :woohoo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyka1gkodo
...unsure how this helps the OP tho :confused: (And I only warned him about your right boot!:eek5:...u carry hammers now??:crazy:)

I thought you were posting this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uawjxsil9yM

[Safir]

You may only overtake (i.e.undertake - pun yes!) - a vehicle on the left in the same lane if that vehicle is stationary. You may not undertake that vehicle if it us indicating to turn left or is alighting passengers. You must not use emergency stopping lanes. You may overtake a vehicle on the right in the same lane at a speed that is safe, generally assessed at < 20kmh in excess of the vehicle speed. There are other considerations in the right overtake process, including imminent medians and the prospect of right tuning traffic - also appeased traffic for entry to the flow. The impetus of LTSA advice is that "cycle" traffic should join the flow of the general traffic - not attempt to "filter"!
I'm really surprised that even L-Platers are not aware of these edicts


Hi

As you are all probably aware there is a lot of road works in Christchurch, one particular section of road on my way to work has both shoulders closed with two lanes hard on one side of the road.

There is always a bottle neck but with little traffic coming the otherway I sometimes I slip in between the cones, overtake and pull back in at the lights.

During the said manoeuvre I do not exceed 30km/h and there is no oncoming traffic just seems like a regular overtake, any comments on the legality?

Main reason I ask as I've acquired a nemesis in one of the road crew who waits for me then runs out into my path to get me to pull back in in an aggressive manner, I saw him take down my plate and assume he has probably reported me

Any comments are appreciated,

Cheers

[Berries]

You may only overtake (i.e.undertake - pun yes!) - a vehicle on the left in the same lane if that vehicle is stationary. You may not undertake that vehicle if it us indicating to turn left or is alighting passengers. You must not use emergency stopping lanes. You may overtake a vehicle on the right in the same lane at a speed that is safe, generally assessed at < 20kmh in excess of the vehicle speed. There are other considerations in the right overtake process, including imminent medians and the prospect of right tuning traffic - also appeased traffic for entry to the flow. The impetus of LTSA advice is that "cycle" traffic should join the flow of the general traffic - not attempt to "filter"!
I'm really surprised that even L-Platers are not aware of these edicts
If you read it again he was on the 'wrong' side of the cones in a worksite not undertaking.

EDIT. Woops my bad. I just saw your other pointless post.