What is it with these people?

[placidfemme]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10343580


Teen admits kicking puppy to death

02.09.05 6.00am

A Kaitaia teenager who kicked a six-week-old puppy so hard it died of its injuries could face up to three years in jail.

Halen Joseph Heemi, 17, a road worker, has pleaded guilty in the Manukau District Court to ill-treating a doberman-type puppy.

The court heard that Heemi, who had owned the puppy for less than half an hour, threw it 10m into the air and when it landed on the ground he booted it like a football, killing it.


What is it with these people? And how come they are so young and showing character flaws like this?

Whats the bet he won't actually get jail time... just community service...

[enigma51]

There is some sick fuckers out there!

[T.I.E]

i have more respect for all animals then most humans out there.
i can't stand any idiot whom thinks himself bigger than a small defensless creature.
i would like to meet them myself and have a nice polite conversation.
if this could be arranged i would be very grateful.
that is just one thing i can not tollerate.

i am a peacful guy. friendly helpful.
but there is just one thing that makes a very very happ happy joy joy person.
and that's it.

[zadok]

Must have some personality disorder. It's not 'normal' for people to do this sort of thing. Probably the same class of people that like vandalism, which I detest. :oi-grr:

[placidfemme]

Worst thing is the cop who investigated the case got to work yesterday and found his childrens cat torn in half on the front doorstep of the police station.

Thats disgusting... people hurting people... still comes as a little shock these days... but more and more it's becoming normal...

But hurting animals and children... they don't know any better, they can't protect themselves, and people who hurt them should get more than just a few months in jail

[Lou Girardin]

We wouldn't be allowed to lock them in a cage with a Pitbull for an hour would we?

[crashe]

We wouldn't be allowed to lock them in a cage with a Pitbull for an hour would we?

One pitbull aint enough.... make it 10 (ten) aggressive pitbulls... and then see has the last laugh and who is standing..... cos it sure wouldnt be the 17 year old. Hope he gets jail time.

You know there is a serious problem happening when these young people are killing defenceless animals all the time.. it tends to lead on to serial killings..
Lets hope they can sort out these ones as they have caught them at the beginning and teach them that what they have done is so wrong. Someone has to get it into their brains.

[Lou Girardin]

We haven't actually had a serial killer in NZ yet. There's been some spree killers though.

[placidfemme]

One pitbull aint enough.... make it 10 (ten) aggressive pitbulls... and then see has the last laugh and who is standing..... cos it sure wouldnt be the 17 year old. Hope he gets jail time.

The only problem with that idea is that then the dogs will be labelled "human attackers" and then put down... :(

[Beemer]

It's like their brains work on an entirely different plane to the rest of us - how anyone could feel anything but disgust at this kind of behaviour is beyond me. I loathe cruelty to any defenceless being, whether it is an animal (and no distinction here - kitten or elephant) or a young child. I am well known for not being a fan of small children, but hearing of the pain and suffering victims like Delecia Whittaker went through in the last days of their far too young to die lives makes me sick.

I remember reading something that the head of the SPCA had written - he said he had no problem with people having strong feelings towards animals - whether the feelings were of love or hate - it was the ones who had no feelings for them at all who were a concern. He said those who don't care whether something lives or dies are the ones who have no qualms about torturing animals.

As for what they get out of it, I really don't think I want to know the answer to that. It is common knowledge that those who treat animals with love and respect are mostly decent people who don't go off the rails. Glad I was brought up to respect animals and so was my husband.

[scumdog]

We wouldn't be allowed to lock them in a cage with a Pitbull for an hour would we?

Hey! No fair, what d'you have against Pitbulls :motu:

Putting one in a cage with these oxygen theives is almost as cruel as the actions of the said oxygen theives.

[oldrider]

When Government usurps all parental control and authority, could this be the result??? Is this what we vote for?
Are these "Children of the STATE" Who then is to blame? Pissed off John. :devil2:

[mstriumph]

rather than bemoaning the character flaws of the perpetrator in isolation , think on this ---- this bit of sick nastiness was obviously witnessed. Ok - the witness must have reported it afterwards as the pepetrator was caught - hence the story.

But - [and I KNOW the official line is 'don't get involved - don't risk getting hurt yourself'] i personally think that someone who witnesses a thing like that ... ie bullying/cruelty to the defenceless .... without intervening [even if they know they are going to get a hiding] is a gutless, sub-human freak who isn't worthy of the air s/he breaths and shares at least some of the responsibility for the act.

[i'm assuming here that the witness was nearby and not at the top of a tall building accross a busy road with a telescope ... if that was the case i'll back down and apologise for this post]


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10343580



What is it with these people? And how come they are so young and showing character flaws like this?

Whats the bet he won't actually get jail time... just community service...

[SDU]

I still think the courts need to take animal abuse & neglect more seriously. It is good they are starting to do more than give a minor fine for some serious crimes against animals and throwing the #!#!# Scum in jail. Hopefully there are some animal lovers in there that treat them like they deserve.
Those that torture/abuse animals if aren't dealt with early on will never learn to respect living creatures, including people. If they have no qualms about hurting animals how can you expect them to have respect for others, themselves or the property of others.
I have seen the results off someone's idea of a joke that not only causes suffering to the pet they have maimed :angry2: but causes huge emotional and sometimes financial suffering to the family involved. Sadly this is happening too frequently.

[Beemer]

And if you thought the depths to which people could sink could drop no further, this is the latest:

Cat horrifically tortured to death in Nelson
02 September 2005

A Nelson family's cat was tied to a dog, strangled and dragged to death in what has been described as one of the worst cases of animal cruelty reported in the region.

Tasman District Council's animal control officer Phil Bergman was called late on Wednesday after a large dog was found wandering with the dead cat tied to its lead. The cat had one front leg tied under its chin and had been tied to the dog's lead by its neck.

Mr Bergman said the act was among the worst animal cruelty incidents he had seen. The cat had not been mauled by the dog and there was no way its death could have been an accident.

"The poor thing was doomed. It looked like it had been dragged by a car," he said. "Some people just don't like cats and do crazy things, but this has been done for sick kicks."

The dog's owner and the family who owned the cat, seven-year-old Mischief, were both "shattered", he said.

"This poor cat only had three legs anyway. Its owners were a family with young kids, and it was a much loved family pet.

"I don't know what would possess someone to do that for a cheap thrill. Cruelty to animals is rare in this neck of woods. It makes me sick to my stomach."

Mr Bergman had contacted police.

"This cannot go unpunished," he said.

Have you noticed that many of the cases involve cats - they are obviously easier to grab and don't put up so much of a fight. This absolutely disgusts me, I hope they catch the offenders and deal them out some 'eye for an eye' justice.

[Jonty]

have the police managed to do anything about the guy in the Hutt that has been mutilating animals? That really gets to me, cruelty to animals really shows how sick humans can be.

[mstriumph]

i keep on saying it

WE ARE ALL TO BLAME if we stand by and don't at least try to stop it

sad, innit?


When Government usurps all parental control and authority, could this be the result??? Is this what we vote for?
Are these "Children of the STATE" Who then is to blame? Pissed off John. :devil2:

[Brian d marge]

I can add to the dont get involved debate ...Now in the past I have got involved ,,have done If I sww things that I dont like to see happening ,,

But one night I was walking home with my friend when we heard a scream and about 50 yards in front of me a man ran across the street into a old bit of ground ,,then a young appeared after ,,shouting in Japanese ,,,,,

Now in possibly the time it takes to read this post ..poss a bit longer the man suddenly appeared to my left and was sprinting past me ...,,,, and I thought do I or dont I ...Bang it was to late ,,the man was past me and gone ,,,( It happened that quick,,)

I always thought that if I saw something ,,I woudnt hesitate ...but I did ..and felt /feel like a heel about it.,,One consolation is that it happened right next to a police station..so but the time I turned round the young girl had got the police ,,and they were onto it ,,,

As for the mongrels who kick puppys ,,,well you can always tell an organisation/society/person ..by the way it treats its weakest ...
Hey look how antisocial drinking and driving is ,,,,wonder if the same could be metered out to these drop kicks ..
( failing that ,,good ole fashioned hard labour ,,,Just watching the world at war ,,the rise of hitler ( weellll I have that in the bottom corner and crusty demons of dirt up the top corner !! ) well MR H gave the un employed MEN And WOMEN a shovel and a wheel barrow ,,and said built a bloody big road .........Now thats an Idea ,,,,,
Here you useless piece of ,,tough boy take this shovel and do some good for a change ,,,,

Stephen

[placidfemme]

I can add to the dont get involved debate ...Now in the past I have got involved ,,have done If I sww things that I dont like to see happening ,,

My mom was the same... back home in Zim, a neighbor used to abuse his dog (a labrador [sp]) and the poor thing used to cry and we could see over the fence, the dog cowering and yelping while tied up with this booting the dog for no reason pretty much on a daily basis...

So we stole the dog (the SPCA is a joke in Zimbabwe)... and gave it to friends... Buddy was his name, or what our friends named him anyway, he was a kewl dog...

And this happened on a regular basis... at one stage we had like 10 dogs because we couldn't get rid of them quick enough after rescuing them... this one time my mom went to a collegues place during thier lunch break, and as they drove into the driveway the lady's boyfriend was pouring hot water out the kettle onto a puppy to "bath" it... and you lot think I have a bad temper... my mom was WAY worse, she took the puppy right then and there and left, we had to have it put down though :(

In NZ I havn't seen with my own eyes someone abusing thier animals, but if I did I wouldn't stand by and watch... if they seemed likely to hurt me in the process of me trying to help the animal I'd be calling the cops and making sure they knew what I was doing...

The only thing I've seen here that disturbed me... was our neighbors at our last place had two dogs, and the white one had a habit of biting people... playfully... but it still hurt, so they kept him chained up, and on the way home from work I saw the dog running up the road, with thier other dog following it... and the white dog (about 2km from home) was dragging a chain about 5m+ long along the road... so I stopped my bike, called the little bastard, grabbed his chain (he then bite me...) and walked all the way home with the two dogs in my bike gear, tied his chain to our gate, went and got my bike and went home... took the dogs and put them in our back yard and waited, the owners got home, and about 2 hours later came over and asked if we had seen thier dogs... and I replied with "well actually..." lol

The white one ended up being put down because some other people up the orad complained that it bite thier kid... and thats the same kid who used to throw stones at the dogs and who used to steal our mail... little bastard deserved it

[mstriumph]

events overtook you ... sounds like the abuse was over before you could have reacted anyway-bit different from seeing it happening right in front of you ...... no point in continuing to beat yourself up about it :no:
................... Now in possibly the time it takes to read this post ..poss a bit longer the man suddenly appeared to my left and was sprinting past me ...,,,, and I thought do I or dont I ...Bang it was to late ,,the man was past me and gone ,,,( It happened that quick,,)

I always thought that if I saw something ,,I woudnt hesitate ...but I did ..and felt /feel like a heel about it.,,One consolation is that it happened right next to a police station..so but the time I turned round the young girl had got the police ,,and they were onto it ,,, ........................

Stephen

[mstriumph]

PF - your Mom sounds like one of the good guys to me :2thumbsup

[*sic]

see in these cases i say the person responsible should have the same done to them, eye for an eye makes the world go blind but id be happy

[Sniper]

I hate animal cruelty.
I always have and always will! There was one occasion (I dont like admitting violence but) a few weeks back where I was helping a friend move into his new house and I heard a yowl from a cat. You know the yowl that a cats gives when its frightened or injured, anyway. I had enough time to look over the fence at this 16 or 17 year old spraying fly spray onto a cat that was tied to the fence. Was disturbed me more was I noticed a lighter next to him too and it didnt take me more than a millisecond to react.

As I said Im not a violent person but the hairs on my back are raised when I see bullying on any creature that cannot stick up for himself and what I saw caused me to jump over the fence (Not a bad move either but most of it I cant remember I was that angry, Im relating what my mate said he saw me do) and kick this arsehole fair and square in the middle of his back. It wasnt a love tap either so it must have hurt but before my friend got to me to drag me off I had managed to break 2 fingers and a tooth trying to spray fly spray into this fuckwits mouth.

He did threaten legal action which I threatened right back but luckily we have the poor cat at home now. I just wish that it wasn't illegal to do what I did and really beat the shit out of scum-bags.

Children, dont do this at home

[mstriumph]

sometimes you just do what you have to do ...

[ManDownUnder]

i keep on saying it

WE ARE ALL TO BLAME if we stand by and don't at least try to stop it

sad, innit?

Yes we are - I agree.

[Storm]

While not being a fan of the random violence- aww , who the f^&k am I trying to kid, he bloody well deserved it, and I for one am glad to stand up and say he got exactly what he deserved, and I wish it happened more often. PC tree huggers be damned

[myvice]

Sniper, if there is ever anything I can do for you, just ask.
People like this need to be put out of our misery!
If the Christens are right, I hope there is a special corner of hell just for the ones who hurt kids and animals!

[Ixion]

I hate animal cruelty.
I always have and always will! There was one occasion (I dont like admitting violence but) a few weeks back where I was helping a friend move into his new house and I heard a yowl from a cat. You know the yowl that a cats gives when its frightened or injured, anyway. I had enough time to look over the fence at this 16 or 17 year old spraying fly spray onto a cat that was tied to the fence. Was disturbed me more was I noticed a lighter next to him too and it didnt take me more than a millisecond to react.

.. I had managed to break 2 fingers and a tooth trying to spray fly spray into this fuckwits mouth.

..

Good on ya. I hope you mean you broke the fuckwit's fingers, not your?

[scumdog]

Sniper, choice move, :niceone: I bet THAT 'tard will be looking over his shoulder every time he does something like that! (which after his fingers heal will sadly be too often).

[Beemer]

My husband reckons a repeat visit every year to harm something he cherishes would be a good idea. Maybe scratch the paintwork on his prized car, or slash a few tyres, and leave a card "love from the cat" would make him think twice about doing this kind of shit again!

Good on you Sniper, I would be the first to stand there cheering while someone took action like this. :clap:

[Skunk]

It all comes down to 'rights' and 'responsibility':
The state has made it so "I have a 'right' to do as I please and I'm not 'responsible' for my actions" and that is just BULLSHIT.

Time for this PC crap to go...

Picking on animals is the first step towards picking on people in the same manner.

End of rant. Normal programming will now resume.

[Dafe]

If anybody is wanting to start up a gang for dealing to animal abusers, Please can I join???? You'll find me extremely motivated and an incredibly hard and thorough worker too. :2guns: :bash:

When will the government start taking this shit seriously?
9 months in Jail, What a fu@#ing joke!!!
Hang the bastards!

[Sniper]

Im not a violent person but like I said, if you want to get under my skin, abuse an animal in front of me. I'll show you what abuse is like.
Just so that you know, I am proud of myself for doing it, but I also wish there could have been a different way to do it