Final Round of Road Race Championships at Manfeild (29 March)

[jellywrestler]

one race per class on the friday and two each on the saturday and the sunday. Should be a ripper
Weather forecast looking good, more than half the classes dropped lap records last weekend at Taupo so bring it on.

[Dodgy]

Is there a programme published anywhere to advise times and sequence of events?

[The Chow]

Is there a programme published anywhere to advise times and sequence of events?

Try this http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/entry-forms/nzsbk-2014-manfeild-programme.pdf?sfvrsn=2

[Shaun Harris]

Try this http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/entry-forms/nzsbk-2014-manfeild-programme.pdf?sfvrsn=2






well done captain

[Shaun Harris]

Have fun today kids

[rustys]

Went up yesterday to watch the racing at Manfield, some very good close racing in the F1 class with 8 riders all very close chasing for the lead, which changed several times in both races, also Supersport great to watch again a tight bunch at the front, 250 Production good racing in that class again all close, all a good day.

What i did not like, was seeing some of the bad race control antics, we all go on about saftey but someone here needs a bloody good kick up the arse if you ask me.

The first instance was "Superlight and 125", the Race was still on and the last rider was coming down pit straight to get the checkered flag, and fuck me marshalls were trying to get a bike that was broken down on start line, through the pit lane wall opening, unbelievable !!!!!!.

Second instance Pro twin, checkered flag out riders going through checkered, one rider in midfield pulls into pit lane for some unknown reason, maybe didn't realise it was last lap,thens screams back out again and starts racing through riders on their warm down lap, what the Fuck !!!!!

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

[Shaun Harris]

Went up yesterday to watch the racing at Manfield, some very good close racing in the F1 class with 8 riders all very close chasing for the lead, which changed several times in both races, also Supersport great to watch again a tight bunch at the front, 250 Production good racing in that class again all close, all a good day.

What i did not like, was seeing some of the bad race control antics, we all go on about saftey but someone here needs a bloody good kick up the arse if you ask me.

The first instance was "Superlight and 125", the Race was still on and the last rider was coming down pit straight to get the checkered flag, and fuck me marshalls were trying to get a bike that was broken down on start line, through the pit lane wall opening, unbelievable !!!!!!.

Second instance Pro twin, checkered flag out riders going through checkered, one rider in midfield pulls into pit lane for some unknown reason, maybe didn't realise it was last lap,thens screams back out again and starts racing through riders on their warm down lap, what the Fuck !!!!!

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.






Not to mention the speed that bike was ridden through pit lane to get back out on the track again, it was as clear as mud on CTAS and shocked me

[oyster]

Went up yesterday to watch the racing at Manfield, some very good close racing in the F1 class with 8 riders all very close chasing for the lead, which changed several times in both races, also Supersport great to watch again a tight bunch at the front, 250 Production good racing in that class again all close, all a good day.

What i did not like, was seeing some of the bad race control antics, we all go on about saftey but someone here needs a bloody good kick up the arse if you ask me.

The first instance was "Superlight and 125", the Race was still on and the last rider was coming down pit straight to get the checkered flag, and fuck me marshalls were trying to get a bike that was broken down on start line, through the pit lane wall opening, unbelievable !!!!!!.

Second instance Pro twin, checkered flag out riders going through checkered, one rider in midfield pulls into pit lane for some unknown reason, maybe didn't realise it was last lap,thens screams back out again and starts racing through riders on their warm down lap, what the Fuck !!!!!

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

Just about every meeting I've attended or watched on video recently are littered with incidents as you describe. The tragedy is not so much they've happened, it's that no one recognises the importance of acting on them. There are big fat books on managing safety in industry, but one punchline reads "for every major accident there are ten near misses, a hundred occasions with most of the "ingredients"" What this is saying is that for EVERY major accident in our sport, there are 10 -100 occasions where the signs of imminent disaster are visible in advance. What this is also saying is, if you see nine, then stay at home after that, you won't like what you see next.. The answer? It's obvious, more people like you need to put their hands up and say what they've seen is not acceptable.

[RobGassit]

I know for a fact that one of these matters was investigated fully and dealt with appropriately. I have no doubt Ctas viewers and spectators may well feel they are the only people to ever observe such matters, but there were many officials present and they did their job. I didn't see the KiwiBiker official there at any time during the weekend.

[rustys]

I know for a fact that one of these matters was investigated fully and dealt with appropriately. I have no doubt Ctas viewers and spectators may well feel they are the only people to ever observe such matters, but there were many officials present and they did their job. I didn't see the KiwiBiker official there at any time during the weekend.

Still do not aggree with above, what i saw as a Racer myself was sheer!!! EXCESSIVE SPEED well above the limit going through pit lane, i also believe it was unnessasary to complete the lap, as the timing gear is also timing on the pit wall side, as per one of my questions i have already asked about, if i was a rider completing my warm down lap i would be dammed pissed off and horrified if a rider came through at RACE PACE, that is down right stupid and dangerous, both these issiues have always been lectured at riders briefing before, its to late for officials to do their job when someone is hurt.

[Shaun Harris]

Still do not aggree with above, what i saw as a Racer myself was sheer!!! EXCESSIVE SPEED well above the limit going through pit lane, i also believe it was unnessasary to complete the lap, as the timing gear is also timing on the pit wall side, as per one of my questions i have already asked about, if i was a rider completing my warm down lap i would be dammed pissed off and horrified if a rider came through at RACE PACE, that is down right stupid and dangerous, both these issiues have always been lectured at riders briefing before, its to late for officials to do their job when someone is hurt.







His speed through the pits did look very bad mate on Ctas

[RobGassit]

Still do not aggree with above, what i saw as a Racer myself was sheer!!! EXCESSIVE SPEED well above the limit going through pit lane, i also believe it was unnessasary to complete the lap, as the timing gear is also timing on the pit wall side, as per one of my questions i have already asked about, if i was a rider completing my warm down lap i would be dammed pissed off and horrified if a rider came through at RACE PACE, that is down right stupid and dangerous, both these issiues have always been lectured at riders briefing before, its to late for officials to do their job when someone is hurt.

As I have already said, it's been dealt with.

[Biggles08]

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

Rule 6.17.5 will answer that question in most part. In short, no you haven't finished the race unless you have passed through the chequered flag, hence the riders "in the heat of the moment" bad decision to go around for another lap.

[jellywrestler]

Rule 6.17.5 will answer that question in most part. In short, no you haven't finished the race unless you have passed through the chequered flag, hence the riders "in the heat of the moment" bad decision to go around for another lap.

some years ago chris haldane crashed at turn one at manfeild in the last lap of a 45 min sports production race on the long track, he remounted and rode thirteen corners and instead of pitting to get scrutinneered he continued on 45 meters through a straight line and the start finish.
they ruled that the finish line also extended through pit lane and he should've gone through and would have still finished and won the race...

[RobGassit]

Rule 6.17.5 will answer that question in most part. In short, no you haven't finished the race unless you have passed through the chequered flag, hence the riders "in the heat of the moment" bad decision to go around for another lap.

"Bad Decision" is your interpretation, and bears no relation to the facts. And I expect a riders representative to be a mediator, not judgemental.
In reality, the rider was entitled to re enter the course as they had not crossed the finish line. They continued thru the pits at 40kph, rejoined safely, finished the race in a safe manner with all due care and attention to other riders. After a meeting with the steward,who had consulted other officials in pit lane, this was confirmed to have been the Facts. In dispute was whether the rider had crossed the finish line while going thru the pits, as the transponder had been triggered. It was the stewards decision that they had not. Therefore the rider finished 12th instead of 5th.I dispute vigorously any suggestion this rider put anyone else at risk, while trying to complete a competition they had invested 6 months and countless dollars to compete in.

In any event, the matter was dealt with professionally at the time, and it shone light on some irregularities in the rule book, which hopefully will be helpful in the future.

[Shaun Harris]

Good to see some Positives were learned from this Rob

[budda]

"Bad Decision" is your interpretation, and bears no relation to the facts. And I expect a riders representative to be a mediator, not judgemental.
In reality, the rider was entitled to re enter the course as they had not crossed the finish line. They continued thru the pits at 40kph, rejoined safely, finished the race in a safe manner with all due care and attention to other riders. After a meeting with the steward,who had consulted other officials in pit lane, this was confirmed to have been the Facts. In dispute was whether the rider had crossed the finish line while going thru the pits, as the transponder had been triggered. It was the stewards decision that they had not. Therefore the rider finished 12th instead of 5th.I dispute vigorously any suggestion this rider put anyone else at risk, while trying to complete a competition they had invested 6 months and countless dollars to compete in.

In any event, the matter was dealt with professionally at the time, and it shone light on some irregularities in the rule book, which hopefully will be helpful in the future.

Great to see that common-sense was applied. Given the facts as you've outlined them, The Steward was correct, in that the lap was not completed by crossing the finish line on the circuit.

I didn't personally see the "speed through pitlane" issue, but would imagine that if it was as excessive as some are claiming on here, The Steward would have dealt with the matter accordingly .......

What were the "irregularities" Rob ?

[Shaun Harris]

Great to see that common-sense was applied. Given the facts as you've outlined them, The Steward was correct, in that the lap was not completed by crossing the finish line on the circuit.

I didn't personally see the "speed through pitlane" issue, but would imagine that if it was as excessive as some are claiming on here, The Steward would have dealt with the matter accordingly .......

What were the "irregularities" Rob ?













Agreed mate, what you see on TV does not make it real, like rugby games

[RobGassit]

[QUOTE=budda;1130702722]Great to see that common-sense was applied. Given the facts as you've outlined them, The Steward was correct, in that the lap was not completed by crossing the finish line on the circuit.

I didn't personally see the "speed through pitlane" issue, but would imagine that if it was as excessive as some are claiming on here, The Steward would have dealt with the matter accordingly .......

What were the "irregularities"

It became apparent that the finish line( or line denoting the point where laps are counted) in pit lane only operates to count laps completed but will not count a finish lap.
Definitions of a " course" and "finish line" are clear but there is no definition for " pits" or " pitlane" even though they become live during an event. Discussions also revealed there may be no such thing as a " pit lane start" although as we know this happens routinely. Pit lane start procedure opens a world of interpretation by the COC. When to release the rider for instance, is often contentious. Chopper's release was interesting, and I have yet to find written guidelines for a procedure.
The Stewards discretion,, or as I call it"gods law" covers any blank or gray areas, but it would appear there may be room for some written operational guidelines. Bernie had it nailed, but is the head scratching at each meeting a good idea if we can make it black and white?

[budda]

[QUOTE=budda;1130702722]Great to see that common-sense was applied. Given the facts as you've outlined them, The Steward was correct, in that the lap was not completed by crossing the finish line on the circuit.

I didn't personally see the "speed through pitlane" issue, but would imagine that if it was as excessive as some are claiming on here, The Steward would have dealt with the matter accordingly .......

What were the "irregularities"

It became apparent that the finish line( or line denoting the point where laps are counted) in pit lane only operates to count laps completed but will not count a finish lap.
Definitions of a " course" and "finish line" are clear but there is no definition for " pits" or " pitlane" even though they become live during an event. Discussions also revealed there may be no such thing as a " pit lane start" although as we know this happens routinely. Pit lane start procedure opens a world of interpretation by the COC. When to release the rider for instance, is often contentious. Chopper's release was interesting, and I have yet to find written guidelines for a procedure.
The Stewards discretion,, or as I call it"gods law" covers any blank or gray areas, but it would appear there may be room for some written operational guidelines. Bernie had it nailed, but is the head scratching at each meeting a good idea if we can make it black and white?

The line on the TRACK is the only one that has any standing, any line in pitlane is NOT a finish line, as pitlane is NOT the racetrack ........ imagine : if it was, the pitlane speed limit would apply to the whole circuit - the drafting at 40kph would be quite something to see !!!!

As a Starter/CoC/Steward, I've always used the system where the last rider on the start grid must be PAST the position where the pitlane start party is positioned before the penalised rider is released. Due to the variations at each track, this position is different at each circuit ....... As Commissioner I discussed at length my personal opinion that these simply be done away with, as at some NZ circuits it is difficult to do so without endangering grid workers on the side of the track - some circuits have the track entry behind the start grid ( well, the best track in the country does anyway ) To my mind the naughty boy should start 10 grid positions behind the last rider on the grid proper - safe, clean and irrefutable. he can then be pinged for jumping the start etc etc just like all the others, and no-one is put in a perilous position. If that pisses him off - GOOD. Shouldn't put himself in that position by doing stuff contrary to the rules/Supp Regs/ Starters bad hair day

As for written guidelines etc - in well over 4 decades of skidding and crashing myself, always found doing exactly what we were told by the Steward and the Clerk of Course had a very meritorious effect on the day - no hassles, max fun.
Generally speaking, the Steward AND the CoC are experienced folk, and have a smattering of rulebook knowledge allied with a substantial helping of commonsense - be guided by them and enjoy your racing

[RobGassit]

[QUOTE=RobGassit;1130702749]

The line on the TRACK is the only one that has any standing, any line in pitlane is NOT a finish line, as pitlane is NOT the racetrack ........ imagine : if it was, the pitlane speed limit would apply to the whole circuit - the drafting at 40kph would be quite something to see !!!!

As a Starter/CoC/Steward, I've always used the system where the last rider on the start grid must be PAST the position where the pitlane start party is positioned before the penalised rider is released. Due to the variations at each track, this position is different at each circuit ....... As Commissioner I discussed at length my personal opinion that these simply be done away with, as at some NZ circuits it is difficult to do so without endangering grid workers on the side of the track - some circuits have the track entry behind the start grid ( well, the best track in the country does anyway ) To my mind the naughty boy should start 10 grid positions behind the last rider on the grid proper - safe, clean and irrefutable. he can then be pinged for jumping the start etc etc just like all the others, and no-one is put in a perilous position. If that pisses him off - GOOD. Shouldn't put himself in that position by doing stuff contrary to the rules/Supp Regs/ Starters bad hair day

As for written guidelines etc - in well over 4 decades of skidding and crashing myself, always found doing exactly what we were told by the Steward and the Clerk of Course had a very meritorious effect on the day - no hassles, max fun.
Generally speaking, the Steward AND the CoC are experienced folk, and have a smattering of rulebook knowledge allied with a substantial helping of commonsense - be guided by them and enjoy your racing

As I said, "Gods Law". It's the constant replacement of the gods that leave the system vulnerable.
Like the god that checked our fuel illegally for instance.

[budda]

[QUOTE=budda;1130702758]

As I said, "Gods Law". It's the constant replacement of the gods that leave the system vulnerable.
Like the god that checked our fuel illegally for instance.

Illegally ???????:(

[Drew]

Well, what a load of old cock this thread is.

Thought there might be some discussion on what I am told was fantastic racing. Guess not.

[Shaun Harris]

Well, what a load of old cock this thread is.

Thought there might be some discussion on what I am told was fantastic racing. Guess not.









more constructive added value by Drew, did you not race ya chair there then Drew?

[Drew]

more constructive added value by Drew, did you not race ya chair there then Drew?Na, haven't figured out why it runs like a bag of shit after a few laps yet. Fucks me off no end, watching other people race.

[Shaun Harris]

Na, haven't figured out why it runs like a bag of shit after a few laps yet. Fucks me off no end, watching other people race.







Bummer. Your last comment is exactually why I do not go to watch the racing live, I still really want to race myself so feel it is best to stay away

[rustys]

Rob, everything has been well said here and your issue as been all sorted by those in charge on the day, so we will put that behind us.

What my personal concern is, that obviously pit lane is not the TRACK ok, you dont get the Checkered flag which is not recognised, travelling through PIT LANE ok, all which have been answered.
(just a senario here though) If i came around the last turn on the last lap, my kill switch lanyard happened to come unplugged killing power to the bike, i immediately pull off into pit lane for saftey reasons, without stopping plug the lanyard back in, power up and continue through pit lane at the correct speed and rejoin a finished race???, it sounds like you can do it by all accounts as said on here, this just does not make sense to me.
In reality i should have been stopped, and not joined a race that had finished, with bikes on a slow down lap, we all talk about differentials of speed and this is clearly the case in this senario.

I dont think i am being old and stupid here, i have been racing over 12 years, and seen some good mates i have raced with, who are no longer with us, and i just don't want any more like that to happen. Maybe this is something that MNZ needs to look at, another grey area ???

[jellywrestler]

Discussions also revealed there may be no such thing as a " pit lane start" although as we know this happens routinely. Pit lane start procedure opens a world of interpretation by the COC. When to release the rider for instance, is often contentious. Chopper's release was interesting, and I have yet to find written guidelines for a procedure.
The Stewards discretion,, or as I call it"gods law" covers any blank or gray areas, but it would appear there may be room for some written operational guidelines. Bernie had it nailed, but is the head scratching at each meeting a good idea if we can make it black and white?

the difficulty here is a rider is accelerating into the corner, with no flag point to indicate any incidents, try and work a rule that suits all tracks likke levels which the entry to the track from pitlane is after turn one and that'll be fun to write...

[jellywrestler]

If that pisses him off - GOOD. geez that's a bit politically incorrect, you do realise that there are some Kitchen Bitches out there on the racetrack this century Mr Teletubbie?

[jellywrestler]

Well, what a load of old cock this thread is.

Thought there might be some discussion on what I am told was fantastic racing. Guess not.

what was cool Droopy, was that at riders briefing people were asked not to leave any old tyres in the pits as the club gets charged, as I left the track on monday I only saw one. Respect

[Drew]

Yeah, sounds a better effort than normal. There were a shit tonne left at Taupo the week before.

[RobGassit]

Rob, everything has been well said here and your issue as been all sorted by those in charge on the day, so we will put that behind us.

What my personal concern is, that obviously pit lane is not the TRACK ok, you dont get the Checkered flag which is not recognised, travelling through PIT LANE ok, all which have been answered.
(just a senario here though) If i came around the last turn on the last lap, my kill switch lanyard happened to come unplugged killing power to the bike, i immediately pull off into pit lane for saftey reasons, without stopping plug the lanyard back in, power up and continue through pit lane at the correct speed and rejoin a finished race???, it sounds like you can do it by all accounts as said on here, this just does not make sense to me.
In reality i should have been stopped, and not joined a race that had finished, with bikes on a slow down lap, we all talk about differentials of speed and this is clearly the case in this senario.

I dont think i am being old and stupid here, i have been racing over 12 years, and seen some good mates i have raced with, who are no longer with us, and i just don't want any more like that to happen. Maybe this is something that MNZ needs to look at, another grey area ???

No worries Rus, lessons learned. You should have been there on friday when after a false start under full course red flag the leaders were still full throttle into the last turn.

[jellywrestler]

No worries Rus, lessons learned. You should have been there on friday when after a false start under full course red flag my Mrs often has the red flag in, usually about once a month; but I tend to still push as hard as I can!
Never had any official word on that one touch my own wood.

[Drew]

I must be missing something. A false start? As in, the lights failed? People jumped the start, and then stayed up it past a red flag at every flag point?

[RobGassit]

I must be missing something. A false start? As in, the lights failed? People jumped the start, and then stayed up it past a red flag at every flag point?
Protwins, all front row jumped, COC issued red flag all points, leaders entered last turn full throttle.

[Shaun Harris]

:psst:
Protwins, all front row jumped, COC issued red flag all points, leaders entered last turn full throttle.







serious? that means they made it past 4 points where a flag would have been shown does it not?

[Billy]

Well, what a load of old cock this thread is.

Thought there might be some discussion on what I am told was fantastic racing. Guess not.

Too true young man,

It was most definitely some of the best racing seen in this country for quite some time,In particular the 125GP,250Production,Supersport and Superbike classes,That last superbike race was a sight to behold,Bring on 2015,Interestingly we now have numerous people requesting more of the 4 day meetings,A huge turn around from when I first released the new format,I'm confident those that didn't make the effort due to work commitments,Will most definitely make the efoort next year

[Billy]

[QUOTE=budda;1130702758]

As I said, "Gods Law". It's the constant replacement of the gods that leave the system vulnerable.


Too true Rob,

It was my intention to have the same oficials at each round,Somebody wasn't happy after the SI rounds and made a fuss.

The REAL issue though,Appears to be the constant changing of the wording of rules and rules just disappearing with out of the manual without the commissioners involved or the stewards being informed,Seems to me,Some are underperforming in their positions and need to be moved on.

[Biggles08]

some years ago chris haldane crashed at turn one at manfeild in the last lap of a 45 min sports production race on the long track, he remounted and rode thirteen corners and instead of pitting to get scrutinneered he continued on 45 meters through a straight line and the start finish.
they ruled that the finish line also extended through pit lane and he should've gone through and would have still finished and won the race...

The rules must have been diferent 'some years ago' then Spyda. Its not the way now.

[Biggles08]

"Bad Decision" is your interpretation, and bears no relation to the facts. And I expect a riders representative to be a mediator, not judgemental.
In reality, the rider was entitled to re enter the course as they had not crossed the finish line. They continued thru the pits at 40kph, rejoined safely, finished the race in a safe manner with all due care and attention to other riders. After a meeting with the steward,who had consulted other officials in pit lane, this was confirmed to have been the Facts. In dispute was whether the rider had crossed the finish line while going thru the pits, as the transponder had been triggered. It was the stewards decision that they had not. Therefore the rider finished 12th instead of 5th.I dispute vigorously any suggestion this rider put anyone else at risk, while trying to complete a competition they had invested 6 months and countless dollars to compete in.

In any event, the matter was dealt with professionally at the time, and it shone light on some irregularities in the rule book, which hopefully will be helpful in the future.

Truth actually be told Rob, The racer should not have been allowed back onto the 'dead' track at all in my opinion (which really means very little). The same situation exactly happened to me in the winter series a couple of year ago and I was unaware it was the last lap. My bike was cutting in and out with a faulty kill switch so I pitted on the last lap...as I entered the pits I saw the chequered flag being waved and kicked myself for pitting as the bike was actually still going but I felt it was dangerous to continue. I was given a DNF because I didn't re-enter the track regardless of passing the transponder line 'in pits' (And in my circumstances shouldn't have as my bike was not 100%). I still believe entering a track where bikes are on the cool down lap while you are at race pace is not a good decision (not saying the racer was dangerous or rode dangerously here either). Soooo....letting the racer back on the track to start with also was a bad decision in the heat of battle to be fair.

As you said, the matter was dealt with and this conversation from my part is merely learning to improve the rules (as was very clear to me in my role over the NZSBK).

[mr bucketracer]

some of the best racing i have seen with so meany that could win ! but the protwins ...crap crap and sounds like crap. let the old f3bikes in that class and spice it up ..lap times the same so why thay ever aloud worked on engines to make sv650s into f3 bikes i will never no ..

[Robert Taylor]

some of the best racing i have seen with so meany that could win ! but the protwins ...crap crap and sounds like crap. let the old f3bikes in that class and spice it up ..lap times the same so why thay ever aloud worked on engines to make sv650s into f3 bikes i will never no ..

This class needs new bikes, not old bikes. Thats what Post Classic and vintage is for.

[mr bucketracer]

This class needs new bikes, not old bikes. Thats what Post Classic and vintage is for.11 bikes just don't cut it and hay its about keeping clubs running . it worked with tim gibbs

[Shaun Harris]

This class needs new bikes, not old bikes. Thats what Post Classic and vintage is for.







If I was ever to race again this class would be my favourite choice due to costs and the fact that a 650 does give you a bit of a buzz with HP

I would go for a Kawasaki 650

[Robert Taylor]

11 bikes just don't cut it and hay its about keeping clubs running . it worked with tim gibbs

Yes but as I best recall ( and Im prepared to be corrected ) Suzuki NZ were paying the bills and it didnt continue / grow.

[Robert Taylor]

If I was ever to race again this class would be my favourite choice due to costs and the fact that a 650 does give you a bit of a buzz with HP

I would go for a Kawasaki 650

If only because compared to the SV650 it actually has some half decent front end geometry and weight loading on the front end

[Shaun Harris]

If only because compared to the SV650 it actually has some half decent front end geometry and weight loading on the front end








They do have there good points and very good top end ( apples for apples) and im generally only 63 kgs so massive free HP gained out of every corner there alone

[Robert Taylor]

They do have there good points and very good top end ( apples for apples) and im generally only 63 kgs so massive free HP gained out of every corner there alone

And you are a full blown irreversible and unfixable ginga as well. With all of the abruptness that gingas are infamous for thats probably 5 bhp.

[Shaun Harris]

And you are a full blown irreversible and unfixable ginga as well. With all of the abruptness that gingas are infamous for thats probably 5 bhp.





haha After watching the speed of Nicki's bike in a streight line compared to the SV ( She is very light though) The ER650 looks like it is actually a bloody fast 650 and the class looks like a lot of fun

[Drew]

haha After watching the speed of Nicki's bike in a streight line compared to the SV ( She is very light though) The ER650 looks like it is actually a bloody fast 650 and the class looks like a lot of fun

They don't like mechanical over revving though, talk to Chappy about it.

[Shaun Harris]

They don't like mechanical over revving though, talk to Chappy about it.







I make love with my bikes mate, I do not Rape them!

[Deano]

Protwins, all front row jumped, COC issued red flag all points, leaders entered last turn full throttle.

No - only Rob Whithall jump started. The lights went out very quickly and some peeps were caught napping, resulting in a messy start.

Thes rest of the pack missed the red flags also, still charging hard down the middle straight despite my frantic arm waving.