So the guy who's bought the political left in NZ is a Nazi sympathiser

[carbonhed]

Thinks Adolf was the greatest German who ever lived, has a signed copy of Mein Kampf and a Nazi flag in his basement. No wonder he doesn't like John Key :laugh:

Go Russell Norman, Hone Harawira, Winston Peters and David Cunliffe... bet ya didn't see that coming you fuckwits.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/Krimcon.jpg

Scoop picture of his father.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/SgtSchultz.jpg

[James Deuce]

Owning a signed copy of "Mein Kampf" is the sign of a shrewd investor with some spare cash. No one would be bitching if he'd bought Helen Clark's teeth, but they're arguably nearly as evil.

[AllanB]

No doubt the media and spin doctors will be all over it.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about Cum Dotcom or what he collects as long as it's not kiddie porn.

Would we give a shit if he had a collection of Japanese swords? Russian military hats? Mongolian cod pieces? American flags?

I know it's not politically correct and whilst good to remember past mistakes should there not be a point where Germany is allowed to be forgiven ....................

[R650R]

Owning a signed copy of "Mein Kampf" is the sign of a shrewd investor with some spare cash. No one would be bitching if he'd bought Helen Clark's teeth, but they're arguably nearly as evil.

LOL!!!! What about a copy of the bible, now that book has seen a few people perish...

Then theirs the worlds greatest nation *cough* erm superpower *cough* that spared some of the evilest Nazis and gave them a new life in states in exchange for their tech knowledge. Google Operation Paperclip...

Just an astute book collector, there couldn't be anyone more opposite of fascist ideas in the public eye in NZ at moment, perhaps he's reading on what not to do... :)

[bogan]

LOL!!!! What about a copy of the bible, now that book has seen a few people perish...

Yeh, but that one is way harder to get a signed copy :whistle:

[Oakie]

It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't a German himself.

(Oakie waits for someone to point out that Hitler was actually born in Austria)

[AllanB]

It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't a German himself.

I doubt he'll be boiling starving white men in his basement. He may have a few guys down there he is fattening up for Christmas though ......

[T.W.R]

Typical media vultures spinning up propaganda witch hunt :pinch:

Mein Kampf is actually a pretty thought provoking read

[R650R]

Yeh, but that one is way harder to get a signed copy :whistle:

I'll get my son to sign one for you, he's off on some pilgrimage nonsense at moment. Just between you and me I think he's getting it on with one of those Persian birds.
Been having a hard time raising him, he's into some nasty self harm stuff, comes home with scars on wrists and mumbling about being trapped in a cave at Easter.
Must have been smoking some serious weed, was raving about parting the red sea and some crazy boat cruise with all these animals on board...

[Indiana_Jones]

http://cdn.fairfaxregional.com.au/silverstone-feed-data/5f874ca4-313c-40db-bd67-62aca83285eb.jpg

-Indy

[SMOKEU]

"Donkey", being a typical fucking jew, is trying to screw over the German with any methods he can. It's also jews who own the recording industry, so that further gives them power.

This thread explains it:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t859075/

[nerrrd]

Just another example of the guy's questionable ethics - which looks to be how he's made his money all along.

No different to John Key really and his career in high finance, which is probably why Kim's still so hurt by the betrayal.

And as for the usual suspects being granted an audience at his mansion...politics is a dirty business, if you want the job you've got to get down in the dirt with the rest of them. It's all just a pantomime (especially parliament - amusing to listen to for a while until you realise you're paying their overblown salaries with your taxes). Not sure who's actually running things, but I'm pretty sure it's not the politicians who all seem to make promises before an election and then tell us they can't afford them once they've been elected. I think maybe it's the people telling them that who are running things...civil servants a la Sir Humphrey et al, business roundtable etc?

Not sure how the internet is the answer to all the country's woes, either. But then I have a pre-internet mindset, and have seen a lot of colleagues lose their jobs thanks to them being exported overseas via the internet. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear he wants to make it faster and cheaper to do so.

[Big Dave]

The era of the self-interested politician. We've got Clive Palmer over here. Billionaire Mining magnate. Could afford enough PR to get elected. I think he entered politics so he can push his own agenda without having to lobby the government. Cause now he are the gubbermint and what is good for Clive is good for the country. Just listen - he'll tell ya.

Or maybe he and Herr Kim are widely read and subscribe to the wisdom of Plato: 'One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.'

Or not.

[Thaeos]

Who cares. An original signed copy, yea that's an investment. Like someone above said no one would care if he had Japanese swords from WWII or Stalins preserved left nut.

Does it have any bearing on the extradition case? NO. Anyway he's the one that released the info himself.

[Grumph]

Owning a signed copy of "Mein Kampf" is the sign of a shrewd investor with some spare cash. No one would be bitching if he'd bought Helen Clark's teeth, but they're arguably nearly as evil.

Wot he said - plus i note he has one of Churchill's cigar holders and a pen of Stalin's....Covering all the bases for investment.

In NZ I'd have thought Churchill memorabilia should be worse than Nazi - he after all was responsible for the cockup that was Gallipoli.

When I grew up in the 50's every NZ family that had someone come back from the war had Nazi memorabilia of some kind.

[oneofsix]

No doubt the media and spin doctors will be all over it.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about Cum Dotcom or what he collects as long as it's not kiddie porn.

Would we give a shit if he had a collection of Japanese swords? Russian military hats? Mongolian cod pieces? American flags?

I know it's not politically correct and whilst good to remember past mistakes should there not be a point where Germany is allowed to be forgiven ....................

Kiddie porn, that was the guy from the christian morality party wasn't it? Or did he collect the kiddies?
Who has got the signed copies of the thoughts of the chairman?
A guy that wants to bring our internet availability in line with the rest of the world and expose the corrupt spying that goes on - we can't have that, it might be good for the general population. :no:

:corn:

[Mike.Gayner]

I've read the first third of Mein Kampf (English translation) before I gave up - it's nonsensical drivel, but gives you a lot of insight into one of the most important men in the 20th century. Why we should admonish someone for owning a book is a bit beyond me - seeking to politically vilify someone for owning a fascist text is extraordinarily ironic.

[Banditbandit]

I'll get my son to sign one for you, he's off on some pilgrimage nonsense at moment. Just between you and me I think he's getting it on with one of those Persian birds.
Been having a hard time raising him, he's into some nasty self harm stuff, comes home with scars on wrists and mumbling about being trapped in a cave at Easter.
Must have been smoking some serious weed, was raving about parting the red sea and some crazy boat cruise with all these animals on board...

I'm sorry - but he must have got it from his mother - Angels telling her she was going to have a baby? Yeah right !!! She was either delusion or on the period equivalent of Rohypnol !!!

[Oscar]

Someone wanna tell me why the left is so anxious to cozy up to this bozo?

The Nazi stuff notwithstanding, he's a convicted fraudster, some time pornographer and full time self promoter.
He's also on bail awaiting trial for stealing the intellectual property of any number of people, yet we were treated to the spectacle of him on stage with union leader Helen Kelly.

Why is Harawira so keen on him? Is it the money?
The Greens? What could they possible have in common with Herr Schimdt (except of course, the youth vote)?

The other question that no one seems to want to even ask, never mind answer - why would you start a political party if you don't qualify to stand as a candidate?
Where are all the people who scream about major polictical parties trying to buy elections? What do they think about this blatant attempt by this POS to influence the next Govt of NZ so as to stop his extradition?

[bogan]

Someone wanna tell me why the left is so anxious to cozy up to this bozo?

Cos a fat rich german bloke is what the left stands for now? :scratch:

At least the election debates could be entertaining this year :facepalm:

[oldrider]

He who pays the piper calls the tune! Simple as that! :yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

No doubt the media and spin doctors will be all over it.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about Cum Dotcom or what he collects as long as it's not kiddie porn.

Would we give a shit if he had a collection of Japanese swords? Russian military hats? Mongolian cod pieces? American flags?

I know it's not politically correct and whilst good to remember past mistakes should there not be a point where Germany is allowed to be forgiven ....................

Mongolian cod pieces you say? What's the market doing?

As for Kim Dot Com, he is my New Zealander of the Year. Every year.

Purely because with a few tricks and baubles he has convinced NZ that he is hard done by, and a victim and not a truly awful person.

Having said that, my contempt for NZ government toadying to the US (actually to the RIAA, so Lars Ultrarich) and the complete fucking cockup and legal morass that it has created is up there with my contempt for KDC.

They should all be put in a boat and towed somewhere 2500 nm SW of Perth and not allowed to come back till they find that plane.

[Swoop]

I know it's not politically correct and whilst good to remember past mistakes should there not be a point where Germany is allowed to be forgiven ...
I note that Germany is preparing to put Mein Kampf back in print. For "academic reasons".

[Kendoll]

Owning a signed copy of "Mein Kampf" is the sign of a shrewd investor with some spare cash. No one would be bitching if he'd bought Helen Clark's teeth, but they're arguably nearly as evil.

Could keep those teeth in a box with her big, hairy balls... :blink:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Someone wanna tell me why the left is so anxious to cozy up to this bozo?

The Nazi stuff notwithstanding, he's a convicted fraudster, some time pornographer and full time self promoter.
He's also on bail awaiting trial for stealing the intellectual property of any number of people, yet we were treated to the spectacle of him on stage with union leader Helen Kelly.

Where are all the people who scream about major polictical parties trying to buy elections? What do they think about this blatant attempt by this POS to influence the next Govt of NZ so as to stop his extradition?

fraudster: true
pornographer: awesome if true. Is that how he met Mona?
self promoter: abundantly true.

"awaiting trial"

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. The complete fucked up bungling surrounding the issue of the warrants, the conduct of the raid, and its aftermath support that view. Thats a relatively uninformed legal opinion on a matter clearly sub judice. What I think is clear is the complicity of our gubblemunt and its various organs with a more or less random FBI/US government search for a scapegoat by the RIAA.

Think about it for a lttle while: the argument that Google, Youtube, and various other (listed on the US stock exchange) large US corporates engage in essentially the same conduct as Mega did is valid: and Mega demonstrably did comply, when requested with RIAA takedown requests, as do the others.

Large corporates rule Mrka, and their politicians must be seen by their corporate sponsors to be "clamping down on internet piracy": but of course they cannot go up against the other large corporate sponsors (or tolerators) of it. They can't really go up against anyone in Yrp, either, so they search around, see that this Mega dude lives in NZ, and they put the lean on our already very acquiescent government.

I dont really care what political stripe you are, anyone interested in due process and the rule of law should be supporting a win for Mr Dotcom.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I note that Germany is preparing to put Mein Kampf back in print. For "academic reasons".

source please.

Also people still read works by Karl Marx, Lenin and Engels, notwithstanding the fall of Carmewnism.

People still read the bible and it is as hateful and violent as Mein Kampf. We should ban that too.

[Swoop]

I dont really care what political stripe you are, anyone interested in due process and the rule of law should be supporting a win for Mr Dotcom.
Damn right!


Re: the rest of your post regarding big business and corporates...
A lot of similarities ring true with the business practices, shell companies and bank involvements of pre-war and during WW2 Germany.
I'm currently reading about the funding of Germany's war machine and the practices used then are still being used today. Sadly.

Edit: I'll try to track down where I read about the re-publication.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Damn right!


Re: the rest of your post regarding big business and corporates...
A lot of similarities ring true with the business practices, shell companies and bank involvements of pre-war and during WW2 Germany.
I'm currently reading about the funding of Germany's war machine and the practices used then are still being used today. Sadly.

Edit: I'll try to track down where I read about the re-publication.What book? sounds like something I would like to read. I do like history.

The ironic thing of course that the big banks were invariably owned by Jews.... and a lot of them managed to preserve and enhance their fortunes prior to and after WW2

[James Deuce]

Ford and GM made a lot of money off Germany during WWII.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ford and GM made a lot of money off Germany during WWII.

IBM too I believe

[scott411]

fraudster: true
pornographer: awesome if true. Is that how he met Mona?
self promoter: abundantly true.

"awaiting trial"

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. The complete fucked up bungling surrounding the issue of the warrants, the conduct of the raid, and its aftermath support that view. Thats a relatively uninformed legal opinion on a matter clearly sub judice. What I think is clear is the complicity of our gubblemunt and its various organs with a more or less random FBI/US government search for a scapegoat by the RIAA.


since when did he have to commit a crime in NZ to get extradited? the alleged crimes were committed in the US, and we have a extradition treaty with the US that works both ways, he has challanged every warrant and court decision right to the supreme court, and has lost most of them now, the warrants were proved to be legal (with mistakes) he does not get full disclosure on the charges to try and fight them here, thats not the role of the extradition hearing,

the fact we let him in is the worse thing about this, seems if you have money everything is ok, hopefully we learn from this,

[Oscar]

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. .

Would you like to reconsider this statement?
If he had committed a crime in NZ, why would he be extradited to the US?
Do you actually understand the concept of extradition?

[Oscar]

fraudster: true
pornographer: awesome if true. Is that how he met Mona?
self promoter: abundantly true.

"awaiting trial"

I think it clear that KDC personally, and arguably Mega committed no crime in NZ that would require NZ to extradite him to the US. The complete fucked up bungling surrounding the issue of the warrants, the conduct of the raid, and its aftermath support that view. Thats a relatively uninformed legal opinion on a matter clearly sub judice. What I think is clear is the complicity of our gubblemunt and its various organs with a more or less random FBI/US government search for a scapegoat by the RIAA.

Think about it for a lttle while: the argument that Google, Youtube, and various other (listed on the US stock exchange) large US corporates engage in essentially the same conduct as Mega did is valid: and Mega demonstrably did comply, when requested with RIAA takedown requests, as do the others.

Large corporates rule Mrka, and their politicians must be seen by their corporate sponsors to be "clamping down on internet piracy": but of course they cannot go up against the other large corporate sponsors (or tolerators) of it. They can't really go up against anyone in Yrp, either, so they search around, see that this Mega dude lives in NZ, and they put the lean on our already very acquiescent government.

I dont really care what political stripe you are, anyone interested in due process and the rule of law should be supporting a win for Mr Dotcom.

New Zealand has an extradition treaty with the US.
KDC has been charged in a US court with a crime covered by that treaty.
He will get a hearing in our courts as to the validity of the extradition warrant.

He's getting due process under the rule of law.

[James Deuce]

IBM too I believe

That was pre-war. There's a very good reason why White and GMC got the US army truck contract. Vastly different sillhouette to the Ford and GM product the Wehrmacht were using.

[oldrider]

What book? sounds like something I would like to read. I do like history.

The ironic thing of course that the big banks were invariably owned by Jews.... and a lot of them managed to preserve and enhance their fortunes prior to and after WW2

Truly and interesting subject!

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt, driving Jews out of Europe and the establishment of Israel as their "homeland".

Why else would Jewish people leave the comfort of Europe to go and live in a sand castle in the heat of the Middle East FFS?

It almost backfired but for the guns and industrial power of America, very few "big" Jews (Bankers etc) suffered in the Holocast!

They were mostly tucked up safely in America where they remain today manipulating world events.

[Big Dave]

HDC is a fan of the chaos theory. Dotcom is more of a KAOS theory.

So Schmart, ve meet again....

[Oscar]

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt, driving Jews out of Europe and the establishment of Israel as their "homeland".



I'm pleased that you've explained why my relatives served, some of them died and some of them were wounded.
They thought they were preserving freedom for future generations and fighting for thier homes and families against invasion.
I'm glad you seem to think they were clueless saps...

[Swoop]

source please.

This isn't the article I read but explains the academic version (big print, dot-to-dot, lots of colouring in, etc, etc) behind the reprint.
It appears the academics have been over-ruled however.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/dec/18/hitler-mein-kampf-reprint-ban



under German copyright law the book becomes public domain on April 30th 2015, 70 years after the author's death. At that time, anyone with a printing press can sell the book within Germany and not pay a single royalty.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/rich-hitler/


Interestingly, Kindle and e-readers sell it. For those who do not wish to be seen reading controversial books in public, these devices are the solution.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Would you like to reconsider this statement?
If he had committed a crime in NZ, why would he be extradited to the US?
Do you actually understand the concept of extradition?

You're right: that makes no sense. Clearly I am wrong.

What I meant to say was I don't think it had been established that the "crimes" which he was charged with in the US were covered by the extradition treaty. In fact isn't that one of the planks of his Supreme court case?

[Oscar]

You're right: that makes no sense. Clearly I am wrong.

What I meant to say was I don't think it had been established that the "crimes" which he was charged with in the US were covered by the extradition treaty. In fact isn't that one of the planks of his Supreme court case?

The treaty includes the charge of: Larceny (i.e. the unlawful taking of someone's personal property) and Receiving and transporting any money, valuable securities or other property knowing the same to have been unlawfully obtained..

The US does not have to prove his guilt, just prove that there is a prima facie case to be answered.

[James Deuce]

When will Agent 99 bring the pork chops?

[mstriumph]

New Zealand has an extradition treaty with the US.
KDC has been charged in a US court with a crime covered by that treaty.
He will get a hearing in our courts as to the validity of the extradition warrant.

He's getting due process under the rule of law.

ah HA a welcome breeze of common sense wafts thru the forum at last

thank you kind sir (or madam, as the case may be) :yes:

[oldrider]

I'm pleased that you've explained why my relatives served, some of them died and some of them were wounded.
They thought they were preserving freedom for future generations and fighting for thier homes and families against invasion.
..

Likewise, but hey I didn't write history, I just read about it, (I'm glad you seem to think they were clueless saps.) those were your words, not mine!

[Scuba_Steve]

Someone wanna tell me why the left is so anxious to cozy up to this bozo?

The Nazi stuff notwithstanding, he's a convicted fraudster, some time pornographer and full time self promoter.
He's also on bail awaiting trial for stealing the intellectual property of any number of people, yet we were treated to the spectacle of him on stage with union leader Helen Kelly.

Why is Harawira so keen on him? Is it the money?
The Greens? What could they possible have in common with Herr Schimdt (except of course, the youth vote)?

The other question that no one seems to want to even ask, never mind answer - why would you start a political party if you don't qualify to stand as a candidate?
Where are all the people who scream about major polictical parties trying to buy elections? What do they think about this blatant attempt by this POS to influence the next Govt of NZ so as to stop his extradition?

I'm not too sure to be honest considering he was a right wing supporter up until he got illegally harassed by them.
As for the rest of your rant, I'm not sure the point?
"convicted fraudster" - ok so he's qualified for politics
"sometime pornographer" not sure what this has to do with anything? Are you some kinda prude?
"full time self promoter" so he's a business man, is that a bad thing?

My question is why you have such an issue with Dotcom? I can't see anything different here than any other political party except he's slightly more open with it

[Oscar]

Likewise, but hey I didn't write history, I just read about it, (I'm glad you seem to think they were clueless saps.) those were your words, not mine!

I don't know what "history" you're reading, but your comments are not only silly, but quite offensive to some people.

[Oscar]

I'm not too sure to be honest considering he was a right wing supporter up until he got illegally harassed by them.
As for the rest of your rant, I'm not sure the point?
"convicted fraudster" - ok so he's qualified for politics
"sometime pornographer" not sure what this has to do with anything? Are you some kinda prude?
"full time self promoter" so he's a business man, is that a bad thing?

My question is why you have such an issue with Dotcom? I can't see anything different here than any other political party except he's slightly more open with it

I'm not surprised you missed the point. Anyone that says a fraud conviction is a qualification for politics is obviously a first time caller idiot.

[mashman]

HDC is a fan of the chaos theory. Dotcom is more of a KAOS theory.

So Schmart, ve meet again....

This is some live rock and roll at KAOS, where rock and roll comes out of chaos and a song called "The Powers that Be"

[oldrider]

I don't know what "history" you're reading, but your comments are not only silly, but quite offensive to some people.

Whatever, thats the way you are supposed to react!

[scott411]

I'm not too sure to be honest considering he was a right wing supporter up until he got illegally harassed by them.
As for the rest of your rant, I'm not sure the point?
"convicted fraudster" - ok so he's qualified for politics
"sometime pornographer" not sure what this has to do with anything? Are you some kinda prude?
"full time self promoter" so he's a business man, is that a bad thing?

My question is why you have such an issue with Dotcom? I can't see anything different here than any other political party except he's slightly more open with it

it could be said he only went to the left wing parties because the 'donations' he made to Banks did not buy him the favors he wanted when in Jail,

[The Reibz]

Did any of you stop to think that with all this swastika memorabilia he could actually be a patched member of the Mongrel Mob?

Seig Heil Aurraaahhhh Dot Com!

http://iforce.co.nz/i/ukgo3goq.nwu.jpg (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=ukgo3goq.nwu.jpg)

[Oscar]

Whatever, thats the way you are supposed to react!

My main reaction was that spouting that shit makes you look really, really stupid.
You should try and think about the difference between what is written and what is proven.

[oldrider]

My main reaction was that spouting that shit makes you look really, really stupid.
You should try and think about the difference between what is written and what is proven.

Chuckle chuckle, at my age looking stupid goes with the territory, doesn't change anything though!

Ask yourself how on earth one man (or a few) could turn a nation to think and act the way they did, theres a lot more under the surface than we are led to believe!

Thats why I went looking to see wtf could be behind it all, then weigh it up against what is clearly factual, all is not as it would seem!

After years and years of looking, the view starts to get rather alarming, unbelievable even but of course you are obviously content with the party line!

To each his own, I am at peace with my own views. :yes:

[Oscar]

Chuckle chuckle, at my age looking stupid goes with the territory, doesn't change anything though!

Ask yourself how on earth one man (or a few) could turn a nation to think and act the way they did, theres a lot more under the surface than we are led to believe!

Thats why I went looking to see wtf could be behind it all, then weigh it up against what is clearly factual, all is not as it would seem!

After years and years of looking, the view starts to get rather alarming, unbelievable even but of course you are obviously content with the party line!

To each his own, I am at peace with my own views. :yes:

There is all sorts of shit out there - every man and his dog has a theory on history - you don't have to believe them all.
I'm actually struggling to figure which of your statements is the stupidest - but I've settled on this:


WW2 was mostly about developing world debt..

Really? Some random questions occur after reading that:
The world had just come out of an economic depression; there was already plenty of debt to go around. And if it was about "Jewish Bankers", how come the Soviets were involved? They were already broke. How did the Jews get the Japanese to enter the war?
Your simplistic attempt to explain the causes of the most complex war in history does not stand up to even cursory examination.
And blaming the Jews is just contemptible.
You should be ashamed.

[F5 Dave]

Owning a signed copy of "Mein Kampf" is the sign of a shrewd investor with some spare cash. No one would be bitching if he'd bought Helen Clark's teeth, but they're arguably nearly as evil.

Depends when he bought them, - like if he paid for extraction say next week. . .

Anyway the're not so evil in the photoshoped election versions.

[carbonhed]

Seems the Left's Dr Evil neglected to mention the signed copy of Mein Kampfe, Churchill's cigar holder, and Stalin's left nut in his declaration of assets to the court. D'oh :facepalm:

On the question of why the left gives this douchebag the time of day... desperation does funny things to ambitious politicians. However at a time when Labour is hemorrhaging the female vote to National this does seem more than usually stupid. Fat, kraut, criminal, pornographers trying to subvert the NZ democratic process with the liberal application of ill gotten loot whilst poncing around in Nazi regalia doesn't generally go down well with the fairer sex.

[oldrider]

There is all sorts of shit out there - every man and his dog has a theory on history - you don't have to believe them all.
I'm actually struggling to figure which of your statements is the stupidest - but I've settled on this:



Really? Some random questions occur after reading that:
The world had just come out of an economic depression; there was already plenty of debt to go around. And if it was about "Jewish Bankers", how come the Soviets were involved? They were already broke. How did the Jews get the Japanese to enter the war?
Your simplistic attempt to explain the causes of the most complex war in history does not stand up to even cursory examination.
And blaming the Jews is just contemptible.
You should be ashamed.

I did not blame "the Jews" it is you who has said that not me, the majority of them were/are victims of a few of their own, just as were/are the rest of humanity!

The "Jews" did not crucify Jesus Christ but those responsible were Jews! (the Pharasees) To say that the "Jews" killed Jesus is collectively incorrect!

The same mentality declares Dot.Com a Nazi because he has a collectors copy of Mein Campf!

You are obviously not well informed upon the subject of Jewish world influence so I declare that it is you who should be ashamed and close this dicussion as pointless!

All I will say is that the subject is very interesting and more compelling the more you try to refute it's reality!

[Oakie]

FYI, ... extracted from 'Mein Kampf'. No particular point ... just a taste. No I don't have a copy and I wouldn't have one in the house ... but if you're going to discuss something, it's sensible to do a bit of research so you don't make a giant twat of yourself. Also, I have no feelings either way towards the Jewish people. I worked with one for a few years and he didn't seem to be part of a plan for world domination.

"The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into the Rhineland with the ultimate idea of bastardising the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate."

"The Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end...spying on the unsuspicious German girl he plans to seduce.....he wants to contaminate her blood and remove her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew hates the white race and wants to lower its cultural level so that the Jews might dominate."

"The longer I lived in Vienna, the stronger became my hatred for the promiscuous swarm of foreign peoples which began to batten on that old nursery ground of German culture."

"Only an adequate large space on this earth assures a nation freedom of existence."

"We must eliminate the disproportion between our population and our area...... Some of this land can be obtained from Russia..... We must secure for the German people the land and soil to which they are entitled."

"(The state) must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world; and one highest honour : to renounce doing so. And conversely it must be considered reprehensible to withhold healthy children from the nation." (This would later develop into Hitler's idea of the Master Race.)

"When you tell a lie, tell big lies. This is what the Jews do, working on the principle, which is quite true in itself, that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility......"

"Whoever wishes to win over the masses must know the key that will open the door to their hearts."

Google is your friend.

[blue rider]

It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't a German himself.

(Oakie waits for someone to point out that Hitler was actually born in Austria)



well Oakie, this german points out that Hitler was Austrian by birth, and maybe even Half Jewish. He also was a crap artists, and could not have succeeded without the Help of well the likes of all of German Military, the German Industrials, German general populace, Prescott Bush (Bush juniors Grandpa, almost convicted of Treason), William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), National City Bank, and General Electric, to name just a few who all at some stage in the early thirties supported the man with the funny mustache and made a killing. IG Farben's US American Holdings included Bayer AG .....but really does it matter?


KDC is neither a lefty, nor a libertarian or conservative, he is a narcissist. And I believe he will do what ever he can to piss in John Keys cuppa even if that is to the detriment of the left parties and this country.

But then the elections are laugh anyways, and it is not about what is good for the country and the people but just to show the other who has the biggest prick.

[98tls]

:killingmeAll this bother over Hitlers book, fuck me theres a far bigger army than Hitler ever had that attend church every sunday the world over and quote what they choose to outta of a blble:tugger:which is full of far worse rantings than Hitler ever wrote.Wouldnt have one in the house.

[pete376403]

Damn right!


Re: the rest of your post regarding big business and corporates...
A lot of similarities ring true with the business practices, shell companies and bank involvements of pre-war and during WW2 Germany.
I'm currently reading about the funding of Germany's war machine and the practices used then are still being used today. Sadly.

Edit: I'll try to track down where I read about the re-publication.

"IBM and the Holocaust" is an interesting read. Ever wondered how the nazis got the lists of jews?

General Motors had a foot in each camp - Chevrolet trucks for the US, Bedford trucks for the Uk, Opel for the Germans. Don't know if they were profiting from any japanese automaker.

Also look for Prescott Bush's links with the nazi banks. As in family of presidents bush II and bush III.

[blue rider]

FYI, ... extracted from 'Mein Kampf'. No particular point ... just a taste. No I don't have a copy and I wouldn't have one in the house ... but if you're going to discuss something, it's sensible to do a bit of research so you don't make a giant twat of yourself. Also, I have no feelings either way towards the Jewish people. I worked with one for a few years and he didn't seem to be part of a plan for world domination.

"The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into the Rhineland with the ultimate idea of bastardising the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate."

"The Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end...spying on the unsuspicious German girl he plans to seduce.....he wants to contaminate her blood and remove her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew hates the white race and wants to lower its cultural level so that the Jews might dominate."

"The longer I lived in Vienna, the stronger became my hatred for the promiscuous swarm of foreign peoples which began to batten on that old nursery ground of German culture."

"Only an adequate large space on this earth assures a nation freedom of existence."

"We must eliminate the disproportion between our population and our area...... Some of this land can be obtained from Russia..... We must secure for the German people the land and soil to which they are entitled."

"(The state) must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world; and one highest honour : to renounce doing so. And conversely it must be considered reprehensible to withhold healthy children from the nation." (This would later develop into Hitler's idea of the Master Race.)

"When you tell a lie, tell big lies. This is what the Jews do, working on the principle, which is quite true in itself, that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility......"

"Whoever wishes to win over the masses must know the key that will open the door to their hearts."

Google is your friend.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States


Early proponents


Eugenics supporters hold signs criticizing various "genetically inferior" groups. Wall Street, New York, c. 1915.
The American eugenics movement was rooted in the biological determinist ideas of Sir Francis Galton, which originated in the 1880s. Galton studied the upper classes of Britain, and arrived at the conclusion that their social positions were due to a superior genetic makeup.[8] Early proponents of eugenics believed that, through selective breeding, the human species should direct its own evolution. They tended to believe in the genetic superiority of Nordic, Germanic and Anglo-Saxon peoples; supported strict immigration and anti-miscegenation laws; and supported the forcible sterilization of the poor, disabled and "immoral".[9]

there are some that say that Hitler took it from the US American Eugenics Movement, some inspiration might have come form the belgium King Leopold and the mistreatment of the Congolese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State

Fact is that even for the Germans of today, the third reich is History, the old man that survived have all but a few died and Lord knows that no one ever asks the women how they survived the war. It is different for my generation, as I remember the bomb craters, the ruined houses, bathtiles on the outside of buildings, Bomb Alarms going off when ever a building was knocked down. I remember the men with burned Faces, missing Limbs, and countless old Ladies that were only Aunties. In school i was marched through the death camp at age 11, and my History Teacher Sister Gisela had several boxes full of stuff that a collector would love to get their hands on. But the young ones were spared. The bloodguilt does not pull any strings anymore. The new generation was born without the sin of their grandfathers, and are just as careless as Prince Harry in his SS Uniform.

[98tls]

"IBM and the Holocaust" is an interesting read. Ever wondered how the nazis got the lists of jews?



Also look for Prescott Bush's links with the nazi banks. As in family of presidents bush II and bush III.

The Swiss are still not to keen to release funds deposited by victims to surviving family members,neutrality at its best.:laugh:

[carbonhed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States



there are some that say that Hitler took it from the US American Eugenics Movement, some inspiration might have come form the belgium King Leopold and the mistreatment of the Congolese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State

Fact is that even for the Germans of today, the third reich is History, the old man that survived have all but a few died and Lord knows that no one ever asks the women how they survived the war. It is different for my generation, as I remember the bomb craters, the ruined houses, bathtiles on the outside of buildings, Bomb Alarms going off when ever a building was knocked down. I remember the men with burned Faces, missing Limbs, and countless old Ladies that were only Aunties. In school i was marched through the death camp at age 11, and my History Teacher Sister Gisela had several boxes full of stuff that a collector would love to get their hands on. But the young ones were spared. The bloodguilt does not pull any strings anymore. The new generation was born without the sin of their grandfathers, and are just as careless as Prince Harry in his SS Uniform.

It's actually the victims who decide when you're forgiven and where the blame lies.... your opinions don't mean shit.

[oneofsix]

It's actually the victims who decide when you're forgiven and where the blame lies.... your opinions don't mean shit.

The victims are mostly dead too and it isn't then that are hold the grudges, it's the want be in the limelighters, the fake victims. It is these fake victims that can't tell the difference between German and Nazi, Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS

[Scuba_Steve]

It's actually the victims who decide when you're forgiven and where the blame lies.... your opinions don't mean shit.

Well I'm a victim & I've decided the blame lies with you! :bleh:

[Brian d marge]

There is all sorts of shit out there - every man and his dog has a theory on history - you don't have to believe them all.
I'm actually struggling to figure which of your statements is the stupidest - but I've settled on this:



Really? Some random questions occur after reading that:
The world had just come out of an economic depression; there was already plenty of debt to go around. And if it was about "Jewish Bankers", how come the Soviets were involved? They were already broke. How did the Jews get the Japanese to enter the war?
Your simplistic attempt to explain the causes of the most complex war in history does not stand up to even cursory examination.
And blaming the Jews is just contemptible.
You should be ashamed.

But my dearest tweedledee, your grasp on economics is as honed, as mine is with the comma.

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I also have a signed copy

295426

Stephen

[Woodman]

Isn't it the deals that the US made with Britain to enter WW2 what really made them the economic superpower that they became?

Thats my understanding of it anyway, and may explain why they like to wage war all over the show now because its a proven earner.

Kim Dotcom is a cock.

[Voltaire]

That's all a bit harsh, clearly he has a lot of business acumen that NZ should be pleased to have here, much like the previous owners of the mansion where he lives, just good honest hard working blokes.:rolleyes:

Having an interest in WW2 stuff does not make one a Nazi, sheez, I have boxes of airfix tanks with swastikas on them and shelves of WW2 books.

Must say I'm over Kimmy especially if behind a bus with him taking up the whole back of it.
http://mjwrightnz.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/wright_bus-advertisement.jpg?w=1228&h=848
( Sorry Matthew Wright for megaing you pic)

[Oakie]

Isn't it the deals that the US made with Britain to enter WW2 what really made them the economic superpower that they became?

I don't think so. During the war they did the whole Lend/Lease thing where they swapped stuff (like destroyers) for shit (like rights to use land for airbases). Thier internal economy certainly did well though with lots or war goods to make and jobs all over the place. They certainly made a butt-load of money in the aftermath though.



Kim Dotcom is a cock. I disagree. Cocks are useful.

[oldrider]

Kim Dotcom is a cock.


I disagree. Cocks are useful.

Perhaps not so much when they get to his size Oakie! :no:

[Oscar]

I did not blame "the Jews" it is you who has said that not me, the majority of them were/are victims of a few of their own, just as were/are the rest of humanity!

The "Jews" did not crucify Jesus Christ but those responsible were Jews! (the Pharasees) To say that the "Jews" killed Jesus is collectively incorrect!

The same mentality declares Dot.Com a Nazi because he has a collectors copy of Mein Campf!

You are obviously not well informed upon the subject of Jewish world influence so I declare that it is you who should be ashamed and close this dicussion as pointless!

All I will say is that the subject is very interesting and more compelling the more you try to refute it's reality!

I have no intention of trying to refute the garbage that you posted.
Even if I'd have wanted to, you quoted no sources or references.

The irony is that it was stupid and easily lead people like you who fell for the same kind of hateful propaganda in the 1930's and allowed themselves to be destroyed..

[Oscar]

KDC is neither a lefty, nor a libertarian or conservative, he is a narcissist. And I believe he will do what ever he can to piss in John Keys cuppa even if that is to the detriment of the left parties and this country.

.

Nicely summarised.

[Oscar]

But my dearest tweedledee, your grasp on economics is as honed, as mine is with the comma.

Stephen

So you believe the Old Idiots ravings?
Essentially that WW2 was started by the banks?

You're even stupider than your usual complete inability to communicate through the medium of the written word would indicate.

[oneofsix]

So you believe the Old Idiots ravings?
Essentially that WW2 was started by the banks?

You're even stupider than your usual complete inability to communicate through the medium of the written word would indicate.

Not directly the banks but the greedy repatriations they drove from WWI is well documented as the cause of the civil unrest that lead to the Nazi parties grabbing power, this is why they decided to help rebuild rather than punish post WWII.

[Brian d marge]

So you believe the Old Idiots ravings?
Essentially that WW2 was started by the banks?

You're even stupider than your usual complete inability to communicate through the medium of the written word would indicate.

You understand

Did I say any thing about the banks?

I prefer the raving of a senior person to the hate filled, materially spare one liners you usually trot out

Stephen

[Oscar]

You understand

Did I say any thing about the banks?

I prefer the raving of a senior person to the hate filled, materially spare one liners you usually trot out

Stephen

Your grammar, punctuation and general use of the language make it hard to fathom what you're on about most of the time.
This instance is no exception.

[Oscar]

Not directly the banks but the greedy repatriations they drove from WWI is well documented as the cause of the civil unrest that lead to the Nazi parties grabbing power, this is why they decided to help rebuild rather than punish post WWII.

I agree, but that was driven on Govt level, particularly by the French.

[mashman]

Your grammar, punctuation and general use of the language make it hard to fathom what you're on about most of the time.
This instance is no exception.

I understood him.

[oldrider]

I agree, but that was driven on Govt level, particularly by the French.

Oscar, Hitler wrote his intentions (Mien Campf) and published it 18 July 1925!

Doesn't it seem odd to you that he was financed into power at all? ... Google "Who financed Hitler into power?" and take your pick!

There are pages and pages on the subject and then ask the question "Who benefits"?

After years and years of reading certain pictures begin to emerge!

When I started there were only libraries etc no internet, it was slow and time consuming and most of the information was unbelievable!

It can be a compelling subject and difficult to substantiate truth from fiction but like any interesting subject, hard to put aside.

For your information , I am not anti semitic but I believe that certain Jewish "leaders" historically have a lot to answer for and all is not as it seems! :oi-grr:

[Oscar]

I understood him.

That figures.

[Oscar]

Oscar, Hitler wrote his intentions (Mien Campf) and published it 18 July 1925!

Doesn't it seem odd to you that he was financed into power at all? ... Google "Who financed Hitler into power?" and take your pick!

There are pages and pages on the subject and then ask the question "Who benefits"?

After years and years of reading certain pictures begin to emerge!

When I started there were only libraries etc no internet, it was slow and time consuming and most of the information was unbelievable!

It can be a compelling subject and difficult to substantiate truth from fiction but like any interesting subject, hard to put aside.

For your information , I am not anti semitic but I believe that certain Jewish "leaders" historically have a lot to answer for and all is not as it seems! :oi-grr:


Aren't you a bit old to believe everything that you read on the internet?
As for Hitler being financed into power, why do you find that so interesting?
If his financiers were so smart, why did they allow him to wreck Germany?

[Swoop]

The Swiss are still not to keen to release funds... , neutrality at its best.:laugh:
The Swiss neutral? :rofl:

[oldrider]

As for Hitler being financed into power, why do you find that so interesting?
If his financiers were so smart, why did they allow him to wreck Germany?

A) Because they especially wanted him to make limited progress in his projected intention or he wouldn't have got the money.

B) He didn't intend to wreck Germany he was more successful than his backers anticipated and Germany was wrecked in order to contain him!

C) The same financiers were backing both sides and pulled the puppet strings as required.

[T.W.R]

Oscar should read a bit more :yes:

The ass reaming Germany got via Treaty of Versailles was a major influence in Hitlers coming to power.

If the roles were reversed and he'd been part of the British Empire or USA he'd have been lorded as a Patriot.
Mind though he didn't help himself being delusional

[Oscar]

Oscar should read a bit more :yes:

The ass reaming Germany got via Treaty of Versailles was a major influence in Hitlers coming to power.

If the roles were reversed and he'd been part of the British Empire or USA he'd have been lorded as a Patriot.
Mind though he didn't help himself being delusional


And you should read the whole thread before posting.
I quite familiar with that part of history.
The old idiot's theory was the banks caused the war.

[Oscar]

A)
The same financiers were backing both sides and pulled the puppet strings as required.

And here it is - the conspiracy theory.
You have proof of this, of course.

Not just that the same banks existed in Europe and the US, but they actively took a part in starting the war?
I suppose the same banks were active in Japan?

[Akzle]

im going to vote for hitler.

[carbonhed]

Krim.con decides to pay some of the many hard working Kiwi's he's been holding out on for the last couple of years. That's big of him. Well actually that's fucking enormous of him. Amazing what a bit of bad publicity can do when you're busy launching your own political party... The Society for the Prevention of Kim Dotcom’s Extradition.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11228390

[Scuba_Steve]

I understood him.

yea but then you don't live in a state of denial ;)

[oldrider]

And here it is - the conspiracy theory.
You have proof of this, of course.

Not just that the same banks existed in Europe and the US, but they actively took a part in starting the war?
I suppose the same banks were active in Japan?

A) There is ample proof but of course everyone forms their own opinion from the same source, I am expressing mine! (Call it what you like)

B) The same financial influences then are still globally active today only the players have changed.

C) America squeezed Japan until it went to war and it is difficult tying Hitlers racial policies with the Japanese inclusion in the Axis
but you can begin from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

[T.W.R]

And you should read the whole thread before posting.
I quite familiar with that part of history.
The old idiot's theory was the banks caused the war.

:laugh: Dick!, I posted in the thread nearly 12hrs before you opened your trap :tugger:

If you're familiar with the treaty of versailles then you should rethink your arguement

John isn't any type of idiot and it's your interpretation of his 1st post that introduced your bank idea others just fuelled it more as the main premise :niceone:

[mstriumph]

im going to vote for hitler.

he lost
unfortunately so did everyone else that was involved in that fracas
happens

politicians - bad cess to the lot of them

[Oscar]

:laugh: Dick!, I posted in the thread nearly 12hrs before you opened your trap :tugger:

If you're familiar with the treaty of versailles then you should rethink your arguement

John isn't any type of idiot and it's your interpretation of his 1st post that introduced your bank idea others just fuelled it more as the main premise :niceone:

What the fuck are you on about?

He introduced the banks - I was discussing his statement:



WW2 was mostly about developing world debt

Would would world debt need developing, when we'd just come out of the Great Depression?

[Brian d marge]

What the fuck are you on about?

He introduced the banks - I was discussing his statement:



Would would world debt need developing, when we'd just come out of the Great Depression?

I know him

http://ctva.biz/US/Crime/Equalizer_EdwardWoodward.JPG

he started the second world war

If I was "Owned in as many thread as Oscar I would give up the internwet

hahahahaha
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_g-TaOsu0H0A/STzMyk2I-dI/AAAAAAAAALE/0yFFGwM_aUQ/s1600/pooh20owned2qm.jpg

Stephen

ps , try some facts tweedledee even the vast Ocean has started using them !

[T.W.R]

He who pays the piper calls the tune! Simple as that! :yes:


Truly and interesting subject!

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt, driving Jews out of Europe and the establishment of Israel as their "homeland".

Why else would Jewish people leave the comfort of Europe to go and live in a sand castle in the heat of the Middle East FFS?

It almost backfired but for the guns and industrial power of America, very few "big" Jews (Bankers etc) suffered in the Holocast!

They were mostly tucked up safely in America where they remain today manipulating world events.





What the fuck are you on about?

He introduced the banks - I was discussing his statement:

Would would world debt need developing, when we'd just come out of the Great Depression?

Hitlers ramblings in Mein Kampf were fuelled by his already cemented antisemitism from before WW1 in Vienna and the corrupt nature of Treaty of Versailles and the European old boys club raping Germany, slicing up their colonies & claiming other land etc. Even the US delegacy for the Treaty knew it was corrupt but political pressure meant it was imposed.
He was a salesman that sold an idea to get a country back on it's feet, pretty easy to unify the majority when they're being strangled by foreigners & internally germany was at war with itself already, the stock market crash in 29 only added fuel to the fire
Hitler's rise to prominence was through fear of communism

[Voltaire]

Hitlers ramblings in Mein Kampf were fuelled by his already cemented antisemitism from before WW1 in Vienna and the corrupt nature of Treaty of Versailles and the European old boys club raping Germany, slicing up their colonies & claiming other land etc. Even the US delegacy for the Treaty knew it was corrupt but political pressure meant it was imposed.
He was a salesman that sold an idea to get a country back on it's feet, pretty easy to unify the majority when they're being strangled by foreigners & internally germany was at war with itself already, the stock market crash in 29 only added fuel to the fire
Hitler's rise to prominence was through fear of communism

One good thing to come out of WW1 was clearing out all those deadwood monarchies that still thought it was the middle ages. Much like the banks are today.
I can't blame the Serb guy for assassinating the Austrian bloke ...um Franz Ferdinand from memory, but it was the train of treaties that set the whole thing off.
Austria threatened Serbia, Russia went into bat for Serbia, then Germany supported the Austria/Hungarian duopoly , France and Britain supported Russia.....jeez.
The Germans thought they could do a 1870/71 jobby to the frogs before the Russians got mobilised and the Brits no longer had a Waterloo sized army, it was a shoe in for Jerry.
Sort of unravelled after that.

The only European 'old boys' still standing were really the Brits and the French and after losing millions who can blame them for putting hard reparations on the Germans.
I'm not sure on the Americans as they appeared to not be Empire builders but keen to bring the British Empire to a close.
Hitler was a good salesman, there is a tape of him talking normally to the president of Finland ( Mannerman...?) and its very different to the usual ranting you see normally.
If he's stopped prior to the annexation of Czechoslovakia things could have been very different today.
One of his many failings , other than being a vegetarian :innocent: and not being able to drive was that he was a military opportunist and not a very good one.
Had he not come to power someone similar would have.
I think he made it on to the cover of Time Magazine......
That's what I remember from all the books in my attic. :lol:
Mr Roosevelt was the guy who wanted to finish off the British Empire and he succeeded.

KDC will get some votes as he's a novelty, would stir up the hen house if they got a seat.
Might have to enrol after all.

[Oakie]

That was a pretty good summary Voltaire. I can remember my high school history text describing the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand by Princip(?) not as the start of WW1 itself but as 'the spark which ignited the gunpowder trail which led to the keg'. Something like that anyway.

I remember watching a mini-series a few years back which sort of indicated that the German nationalistic movement was alive and kicking without Hitler and that they sort of elevated him into a figurehead position because of his oratory skills. Be a bit like sayyy ... an extreme right wing group here (Kyle the racist prick from Christchurch and his ilk) getting Winston Peters to front their group. Has similar beliefs (anti-immigration) and is a hell of a good speaker).

[oldrider]

Geeez WW3 all started on KB :lol:

My original point was that international financiers knew what they were playing with and were backing both sides!

They should have a big sign in their offices reading: "Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand"!

Nothing ever goes anywhere without financial backing and you only get that when clearly everything is in the financers favour!

Did they gamble with Hitler and find the Germans were better than they thought and it nearly got away on them?

What would the world look like now if the Axis forces had won? I guess most of those financiers would have found it very uncomfortable!

[Brian d marge]

Geeez WW3 all started on KB :lol:

My original point was that international financiers knew what they were playing with and were backing both sides!



That would be the Rothschild then ....

Hey try this one , dig an 'ole really deep . Get all of the oil out .

Refill it with something, anything will do as long as it looks like concrete .

But before you do all of this , make sure you purchase a environment clean up company, One say that
specialized in oil clean ups

Now when your dodgy concrete gives way ... hey guess what we can make some serious coin in the clean up

Such a good idea , never happen though

http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps/boots-coots/boots-coots-well-pressure-control.page?node-id=hg98y5rs

Stephen

[oldrider]

I especially like this bit: "Above all, you can count on Boots & Coots to be your trusted adviser," :mellow:

Combined with Halliburton (who did such sterling service in Iraq) how could anything go wrong? :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

I especially like this bit: "Above all, you can count on Boots & Coots to be your trusted adviser," :mellow:

Combined with Halliburton (who did such sterling service in Iraq) how could anything go wrong? :shifty:

Well you WANT it to go wrong IF you already have a clean up crew

oh hang on aren’t the Japanese now offering Nuclear clean up crews , ( now these people are SERIOUSLY dodgy ... how about getting Yakuza to hire homeless people to be day workers , no health insurance and no watchdogs to help them , in order to clean up a nuclear reactor )

No what could possibly go wrong !!!!!:crazy:

Stephen

[blue rider]

...........


One of his many failings , other than being a vegetarian :innocent: and not being able to drive was that he was a military opportunist and not a very good one.
Had he not come to power someone similar would have.
I think he made it on to the cover of Time Magazine......
That's what I remember from all the books in my attic. :lol:
Mr Roosevelt was the guy who wanted to finish off the British Empire and he succeeded.

KDC will get some votes as he's a novelty, would stir up the hen house if they got a seat.
Might have to enrol after all.


Hitler did not really come to power naturally, he was appointed by then Chancellor Hindenburg


On January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed as the chancellor of Germany by President Paul Von Hindenburg. This appointment was made in an effort to keep Hitler and the Nazi Party “in check”; however, it would have disastrous results for Germany and the entire European continent. In the year and seven months that followed, Hitler was able to exploit the death of Hindenburg and combine the positions of chancellor and president into the position of Führer, the supreme leader of Germany.



The Presidential Election of 1932

In the spring of 1932, Hitler ran against incumbent and WWI hero Paul von Hindenburg. The initial presidential election on March 13, 1932 was an impressive showing for the Nazi Party with Hitler receiving 30% of the vote. Hindenburg won 49% of the vote and was the leading candidate; however, he did not receive the absolute majority needed to be awarded the presidency. A run-off election was set for April 10.
Hitler gained over 2 million votes in the run-off, or approximately 36% of the total votes. Hindenburg only gained 1 million votes on his previous count but it was enough to give him 53% of the total electorate -- enough for him to be elected to another term as president of the struggling republic.

the rest is history.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1930s/a/Hitler-Appointed-Chancellor.htm

Weimar Republik - times were as interesting then as are they now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

[pete376403]

One good thing to come out of WW1 was clearing out all those deadwood monarchies that still thought it was the middle ages. Much like the banks are today.
I can't blame the Serb guy for assassinating the Austrian bloke ...um Franz Ferdinand from memory, but it was the train of treaties that set the whole thing off.
Austria threatened Serbia, Russia went into bat for Serbia, then Germany supported the Austria/Hungarian duopoly , France and Britain supported Russia.....jeez.
The Germans thought they could do a 1870/71 jobby to the frogs before the Russians got mobilised and the Brits no longer had a Waterloo sized army, it was a shoe in for Jerry.
Sort of unravelled after that.

Another way of looking at WWI - as a bar fight: (this has been on the 'net for a while now)
Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria’s pint.

Austria demands Serbia buy it a whole new suit because of the new beer stains on its trouser leg.

Germany expresses its support for Austria’s point of view.

Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.

Serbia points out that it can’t afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria’s trousers.

Russia and Serbia look at Austria.

Austria asks Serbia who it’s looking at.

Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.

Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in doing so.

Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that its sufficiently out of order that Britain not intervene.

Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?

Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action anymore.

Britain and France ask Germany whether it’s looking at Belgium.

Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.

Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.

France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other.

Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it’s on Britain’s side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.

Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it.

France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.

Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.

America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.

By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany’s fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

[SPman]

In The genesis Of The World War, Harry Elmer Barnes shows that World War 1 was the product of 4 or 5 people. Three stand out: Raymond Poincare`, President of France, Sergei Sazonov, Russian Foreign Minister, and Alexander Izvolski, Russian Ambassador to France. Poincare` wanted Alsace-Lorraine from Germany, and the Russians wanted Istanbul and the Bosphorus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. They realized that their ambitions required a general European war and worked to produce the desired war.


A Franco-Russian Alliance was formed. This alliance became the vehicle for orchestrating the war. The British government, thanks to the incompetence, stupidity, or whatever of its Foreign Minister, Sir Edward Grey, was pulled into the Franco-Russian Alliance. The war was started by Russia’s mobilization. The German Kaiser, Wilhelm II, was blamed for the war despite the fact that he did everything possible to avoid it.



Barnes’ book was published in 1926. His reward for confronting the corrupt court historians with the truth was to be accused of being paid by Germany to write his history. Eighty-six years later historian Christopher Clark in his book, The Sleepwalkers, comes to essentially the same conclusion as Barnes.

[oldrider]

The more humane and decent an activity the harder it is to get finance to make it happen .... "WAR" no matter how stupid ... "finance is always available"! :sick:

Like everything decent ... stop the finance ... stop the activity! ..... Stop the fucking wars right there at the beginning how hard is that FFS! :brick:

[Oscar]

The more humane and decent an activity the harder it is to get finance to make it happen .... "WAR" no matter how stupid ... "finance is always available"! :sick:

Like everything decent ... stop the finance ... stop the activity! ..... Stop the fucking wars right there at the beginning how hard is that FFS! :brick:

So who financed the Soviet WW2 effort (as part of firstly the Axis and then the Allies)?

Who financed China against India?

Vietnam against the USA?

[Oscar]

Hitlers ramblings in Mein Kampf were fuelled by his already cemented antisemitism from before WW1 in Vienna and the corrupt nature of Treaty of Versailles and the European old boys club raping Germany, slicing up their colonies & claiming other land etc. Even the US delegacy for the Treaty knew it was corrupt but political pressure meant it was imposed.
He was a salesman that sold an idea to get a country back on it's feet, pretty easy to unify the majority when they're being strangled by foreigners & internally germany was at war with itself already, the stock market crash in 29 only added fuel to the fire
Hitler's rise to prominence was through fear of communism

A good summary.
But Hitler never got a majority in Germany in the ballot box.
He got a toehold in Govt. and worked from there - as you say, unifying the majority through economic "miracles".
Rather than being pushed to war by the banks, by 1938 Hitler had borrowed so much money that without the war he would have been buggered.

[Brian d marge]

Vietnam against the USA?

Fiat money and taxes paid for that one

Hitler , Sidestepped the international markets by creating the renmark ( sp) this was backed by land and german assets ( this pissed the international markets right off!!)

by using this germany went from the poor to very nice indeed. ( just by ignoring gold backed debt... some say Jewish , )

then when ww2 took hold , gold and assests were looted from countrys hosted the german european tour.

Snip;Economist Henry C. K. Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:
“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full- employment public- works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).





Stephen

no time to adequately answer

[Oscar]

Fiat money and taxes paid for that one

Hitler , Sidestepped the international markets by creating the renmark ( sp) this was backed by land and german assets ( this pissed the international markets right off!!)

by using this germany went from the poor to very nice indeed. ( just by ignoring gold backed debt... some say Jewish , )

then when ww2 took hold , gold and assests were looted from countrys hosted the german european tour.

Snip;Economist Henry C. K. Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:
“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full- employment public- works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).





Stephen

no time to adequately answer

The economy may have been booming, but by 1939/40 Germany owed RM40b, was still dependant on imports and had a very structured economy. As you say, war and the subsequent looting of Europe was needed to keep 1) the boom going and 2) to repay the debt.

[Tazz]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/Krimcon.jpg

I hope that is CE tested and approved? :P

[Brian d marge]

The economy may have been booming, but by 1939/40 Germany owed RM40b, was still dependant on imports and had a very structured economy. As you say, war and the subsequent looting of Europe was needed to keep 1) the boom going and 2) to repay the debt.

I dont know where you get the debt from

IF the money was independent of international debt ie gold , and was based on German assets ( rentenmark) , then briefly onto the gold standard before becoming Fiat money ( Reichmark)) then no debt ( international ) debt existed except to the German people and the invaded ( as Money is debt ).

After the war

http://history.howstuffworks.com/world-war-ii/war-reparations2.htm

and the dodgy dealing Hitler used to pay for the war

http://shelf3d.com/i/German%20reichsmark


Stephen

[Voltaire]

Give me the learn on war economics. when say England for example was in total war mode with the whole country geared up just for war, how is it funded as there are no internal or external trading going on?
( no big words thanks)
My vague recollection is the merkins financed the Brits....where does the money come from?
Maybe the Federal Reserve is empty and its just belief in that's it full that keeps the whole moneygoround going....dunno.

[mashman]

Maybe the Federal Reserve is empty and its just belief in that's it full that keeps the whole moneygoround going....dunno.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMiW09VEe3Y

3:13 answers your question. Interesting 6 minutes if you want a fuller picture.

[Brian d marge]

Tis a byatch to get the ink ,Ive tried ,,, the man get bent right out of shape when ya start getting between him and his money

HAd to laugh when the economist said he was surprised at the surpise of the bank just printing money its first year economics hahahahahahahaha


There is a little bit more to it than the sharp seven footage but thats it in a nutshell

Stephen

[Katman]

Give me the learn on war economics. when say England for example was in total war mode with the whole country geared up just for war, how is it funded as there are no internal or external trading going on?


America supplied England (as well as Russia and China) during the war under the Lend-Lease agreement.

[Voltaire]

America supplied England (as well as Russia and China) during the war under the Lend-Lease agreement.

Yeah I know the official line.
I like reading the conspiracy stuff ;)

Who financed the Germans, Italians and Japanese then?

[puddytat]

the same banks I'd say.....

The Americans & Germans still traded up 'till the Japs stepped in.....there were patent agreements between Krupps & the U.S